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Disgaea 2
« on: May 18, 2008, 09:31:04 AM »
Notes
1. Levels are 60, which is basically where you end if you don't do any side areas. Weapon levels are 13 for Adell's Fists (12 if you see Swords as default), 12 for Rozalin's Guns, 9 for Yukimaru's Swords, and 5 for Etna's Spears (4 if you Swords as defaults). Characters who are in the party gain more weapon levels. I basically had a reason for where all the tech levels fell, which I might include later if the sheer math still needed to complete the topic doesn't drive me insane.

2. Techs from weapons are in the topic below the dotted lines in the character sections. Techs better reflect in-game performances (like making Adell and Yukimaru not completely boned by Fire/Ice defense) while not really changing anyone notably (Adell and Yukimaru are still fairly Fire/Ice reliant!).

3. Some of the SP costs are 1 or 2 off.

4. The effective defenses are essentially 1.3(Defense/6). Not very potent.

5. Buffs/Debuffs are stackable to +100% or -50%. Of course, 20% of the cumulative buff effect wears off each turn, which leads to far too many numbers in the Rozalin/Taro sections!

6. Accuracy is basically all 100% against endgame randoms (Albeit barely in some cases, and that drops to 60% with Axes), but the accuracy formula is 1.2(Accuracy/Evasion). This means that you need about three times the evasion to get Rozalin to have a drop in accuracy compared to Adell.

7. Averages up Top!
Damage: Average: 984 (944 w/o Adell's bonus)
2.5HKO Kill Point: 2460 (2360 w/o Adell's bonus)
HP: 1190
Defense: 925
Magic Resistance: 435
Hit: 645

8. Will clean up/add durabilities to the PC area later. For now I just wanted to get this up.

ADELL
HP- 1576
SP- 252
ATK- 1262 <<993 under Evasion Setup>>
HIT- 387
DEF- 682 (Takes extra 53 from Physicals)
RES- 239 (Takes extra 42 from Magic)
SPD- 778 <<980 under Evasion Setup>>
Counters: 3
Evasion: 35% from the Side <<50% from the Side under Evasion Setup>>

Flick (Fist) - +461 ATT, +461 SPD, +58 HIT
Battle Vest/Wizard Robe/Spirit Belt- 462 Def, 19 Res, 94 HP, 32 SP, 307 Atk, -11 Int, -67 Spd
<<Evasion Setup: Ninja Tabi in Place of Spirit Belt- -269 Atk, +202 Speed>>

**Adell does 25% more to higher leveled enemies. Since everything was a higher level in the final chapter while going through it, I factor this into his DL damage. If you don’t, use the damage in parantheses.

Attack- 464 (371) <<445/356>>
Crimson Flame (Lvl 4)-918 Fire/Physical Damage (734) <<699/559>>; 22 SP
Soaring Fire (Lvl 4)- 987 Fire/Physical Damage (790) <<753/602>>; 49 SP
Vulcan Blaze (Lvl 1)- 1407 Fire/Physical Damage (1126) <<1072/858>>; 80 SP
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Triple Strike (Lvl 4)-721 Physical Damage (577)<<694/555>>; 10 SP
Tiger Charge (Lvl 2)- 794 Physical Damage (635)<<764/611>>; 25 SP
King of Beasts (Lvl 1)- 859 Physical Damage (687)<<826/661>>; 82 SP

ROZALIN
HP- 988
SP- 461
HIT- 1174
DEF- 826 (Takes extra 22 from physicals)
RES- 538 (Reduces magic by 22)
SPD- 246
Accuracy: An enemy would need about quadruple average in-game enemy evasion for Rozalin to have any chance of missing at all.

Prism Cannon (Gun) - +409 HIT, +77 SP, +58 RES, +29 SPD
Large Shield/Bushido Suit/Nightvision: 606 Defense, 38 Attack, 98 Int, 326 Hit, 96 Res, -58 Spd

Physical-  439, Drops Enemy Speed 20%, LR
Rose Thorns (Lvl 5)- 694 Physical Damage, LR, 30 SP
Kneel Before Me- Boosts Attacking Stats 10%, 1/5 of the Remaining amount of the boost wears off each turn , Only good against damageless healers, 20 SP
-->After 1 Casting: Damage Improves 9% right after, then 7%/6%/5%/4%/3%/2% and so on.
-->After 2 Castings: Damage Improves 16%/13%/10%/8%/7%/6%/5% and so on.
-->After 3 Castings: Damage Improves 22%/18%/14%/11%/9%/7%/6%/5% and so on.
-->After 4 Castings: Damage Improves 27%/21%/17%/14%/11%/9%/7% and so on.
-->After 5 Castings: Damage Improves 30%/24%/19%/16%/12%/10% and so on.
-->After 6 Castings: Damages Improves 33%/27%/21%/17%/14%/11%/9% and so on.
-->After 12 Castings: Damages Improves 43%/34%/27%/22%/18%/14%/11%/9% and so on.
Rose Liberation (Lvl 1)- 573 Defense Based Magic Damage; 90 SP
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Tri-Burst- (Lvl 5)- 694, Drops Enemy Speed 20%, LR, 11 SP
Gaia Blast (Lvl 2)- 720 Physical Damage, Drops Enemy Speed 20%, LR, 17 SP
Proximal Shot (Lvl  1)- 754 Physical Damage, Drops Enemy Speed 20%, 32 SP
Shooting Stars (Lvl 1)- 799 Star/Physical Damage, Drops Enemy Speed 20%, LR; 78 SP

TINK
HP- 988
SP- 399
ATK- 1129
HIT- 796
DEF- 826 (Takes extra 22 from physicals)
RES- 387 (Takes extra 10 from magic)
SPD- 325
Counter: 2

Mystic Attack (Monster): +446 ATT, +70 SP, +32 RES, +409 HIT, +84 SPD
Large Shield/Bushido Suit/Spirit Belt: 606 Defense, 299 Attack, 80 Res, 58 Hit, -198 Speed

Physical- 419
Sonic Roll (Lvl 6)- 684 Physical Damage; 24 SP
Nail Bat (Lvl 4)- 845 Physical Damage, 30% Silence; 55 SP

HANAKO
HP- 865
SP- 393
ATK- 1006
HIT- 757
DEF- 826 (Takes extra 22 from physicals)
RES- 499 (Reduces magic by 14)
SPD- 286

Mystic Attack (Monster) - +405 ATT, +64 SP, +32 RES, +375 HIT, +84 SPD
Large Shield/Bushido Suit/Spirit Belt- 606 Defense, 272 Attack, 80 Res, 53 Hit, -182 Speed

**Hanako takes 25% less damage from monsters.

Physical- 365
Pretty Bazooka (Lvl 3)- 866 Physical Damage, 160%, LR, Drops Def/Spd by 20%, 1/5 of the Remaining amount of the boost wears off each turn , 56 SP
--->Damage on Pretty Bazookas after are 886, 904, and 917 against average (Max) until she runs out the MP to use it.

TARO
HP- 1482
SP- 272
ATK- 1076
INT- 192
HIT- 582
DEF- 1343 (Reduces Physicals by 91)
RES- 634 (Reduces Magic by 42)
SPD- 54

Mystic Attack (Monster) - +446 ATT, +52 SP, +42 RES, +307 HIT, +56 SPD
Large Shield/Large Shield/Spirit Belt- 959 Defense, 208 Res, 246 Attack, -194 Speed

**Taro's defenses increase 20% below in critical HP.

Physical- 395
Milk- Boosts Attack and Hit by 30%, 1/5 of the Remaining amount of the boost wears off each turn, I will add in notes on this later, 10 SP
-->After one use, damage improves 27% (34% on counter right after use), then falls to 22%/17%/14%/11%/9%/7% and so on.
-->After two uses, damage improves (61% on counter right after use)/49%/39%/31%/25%/20%/16%/13%/10%/8%/7% and so on.
-->After three uses, damage improves (83% on counter)/67%/53%/43%/34%/27%/22%/17%/14%/11%/9%/7% and so on.
-->After four uses, (.8856) damage improves (100% on counter)/81%/64%/52%/41%/33%/26%/21%/17%/13%/11% and so on.
-->Maxes after 5 uses, and damage improves (113% on counter)/91%/73%/58%/47%/37%/30%/24%/19%/15%/12%/10% and so on.
Strawberry Milk- Heals 399 HP, Extra 3 Points of Res increase this by 1, 10 SP
Chocolate Milk- Boosts Defense and Resistance by 50%, 1/5 of the Remaining amount of the boost wears off each turn, Read Math Mess below, 10 SP
Crybaby Strikes (Lvl 3)- 868 Physical Damage, Drops Atk/Int/Hit by 20%, 67 SP
--This cuts average physical in-game damage against Taro by an extra about 90, then another 170 total, then 215 (Then reverts to cutting it by 170, 140, 120, 90, 70, 55, 45, 37, 30, 25 and so on ) if spammed three turns in a row (Assuming Taro has no defense buffing).
    -->With a single defense buff going first, then spamming Crybaby Strikes 3 times the reductions after   
    the buff are 150, 190, 235, 280, 230, 185, 150, 120, 95, 80, 60, 50, 40, 30 and on.
    -->With two defense buffs going first, then spamming Crybaby Strikes 3 times the reductions after
    the first buff are 150, 260, 300, 335, 360, 280, 230, 210, 175, 145, 115, 95, 75, 60, 45 and on.
--This cuts average magical in-game damage against Taro by about 80, then 150 total, then 200 toal (Then reverts to cutting it by 160, 130, 100, 80, 65, 50, 40, 30, 25 and on).
    -->With a single defense buff going first, then spamming Crybaby Strikes 3 times the reductions after   
    the buff are 70, 140, 190, 235, 185, 150, 120, 95, 75, 60, 50, 40, 32, 25 and so on.
    -->With two defense buffs going first, then spamming Crybaby Strikes 3 times the reductions after the   
    first buff are 70, 140, 190, 230, 265, 210, 160, 135, 105, 85, 70, 55, 45, 37, 30 and so on.

YUKIMARU
HP- 1112
SP- 425
ATK- 1205
HIT- 446
DEF- 759 (Takes extra 36 from Physicals)
RES- 347 (Takes extra 19 from Magic)
SPD- 241

Nightmare (Sword) - +440 ATT, +96 SP, +131 INT, +64 HIT
Large Shield/Bushido Suit/Spirit Belt- 539 Defense, 326 Attack, 72 Res, 53 Hit, -198 Speed

Physical- 452, 20% Chance of Silence
Nadarejin (Lvl 4)- 750 Ice/Physical Damage, 18 SP
Setsugetsuka (Lvl 4)- 830 Ice/Physical Damage, 36 SP
Midare Fubuki (Lvl 1)- 1069 Ice/Physical Damage, 90 SP
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Blade Rush (Lvl 3)) 626 Physical Damage, 12 SP
Hurricane Slash (Lvl 3)- 780 Wind/Physical Damage, 21 SP

ETNA
HP- 1318
SP- 329
ATK- 1169
HIT- 437
DEF- 1211 (Cuts Physicals by 62)
RES- 401 (Takes extra 7 from magic)
SPD- 161

Halberd (Spear) - +349 ATT, +141 DEF, +83 HP, +55 HIT
Large Shield/Bushido Suit/Spirit Belt-  741 Defense, 326 Attack, 72 Res, 53 Hit, -168 Speed

Physical- 436
Prinny Raid (Lvl 3)- 656 Physical Damage, 17 SP
Sexy Beam (Lvl 3)- 785 Physical Damage, 40% Chance of Depraved
-- (Drops Stats by 20%- Improves Etna’s Damage 2.5% against Average, Cuts Accuracy/Hit rates by 20%, and reduces physicals by 110 and magic by 100), 45 SP
Chaos Impact (Lvl 1)- 1007 Physical Damage, 90 SP
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Impaler (Lvl 2)- 639 Physical Damage, 7 SP
Lightning Spear (Lvl 2)- 690 Physical Damage, 16 SP

AVERAGES
Damage
1. Adell- 1407 (1126)
2. Yukimaru- 1069
3. Etna- 1007
4. Hanako- 892
5. Taro- 868
6. Tink- 845
7. Rozalin- 799
Average: 984 (944)
2.5HKO Kill Point: 2460 (2360)

HP
1. Adell- 1576
2. Taro- 1482
3. Etna- 1318
4. Yukimaru- 1112
5. Rozalin- 988
5. Tink- 988
7. Hanako- 865
Average: 1190

SP
1. Rozalin- 461
2. Yukimaru- 425
3. Tink- 399
4. Hanako- 393
5. Etna- 329
6. Taro- 272
7. Adell- 252
Average: 362

DEF
1. Taro- 1343..........(Cuts Physicals by 91 on Average)
2. Etna- 1211..........(-62)
3. Hanako- 826.......(+22)
3. Rozalin- 826........(+22)
3. Tink- 826.............(+22)
6. Yukimaru- 759.....(+36)
7. Adell- 682............(+53)
Average: 925

RES
Taro- 634............(-42)
Rozalin- 538........(-22)
Hanako- 499.......(-14)
Etna- 401............(+7)
Tink- 387.............(+10)
Yukimaru- 347.....(+19)
Adell- 239............(+42)
Average:  435

Hit
1. Rozalin- 1174
2. Tink- 774
3. Hanako- 737
4. Taro- 582
5. Etna- 437
6. Yukimaru- 426
7. Adell- 387
Average: 645
« Last Edit: July 06, 2008, 08:44:34 PM by Dhyerwolf »
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Re: Disgaea 2
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2008, 09:32:02 AM »
Bosses
--The accessory choice is generally Armor+Attack Booster+Random Third Item (Typically an HP Booster or an All Stat Booster).

AXEL
BOSS AXEL
HP: 984
SP: 204
ATK: 362
HIT: 197
DEF: 245 (Reduces avg ATK 12%; Subtracts 5% off straight attacks)
RES: 230 (Reduces avg INT by 15%; Subtracts 6% off straight attacks)
SPD: 329
Accuracy: 99% (Raw: 120% from the side)
Evasion: 18% from the Side

Halves Damage done by Humans
No Status or Stat Down Resistance

HP: 550 (Adell and Taro have about this much naturally!)
Damage: Average: 176 (Note that in Game, Taro and Hanako have worse damage than basically any generic at this point. Additionally, they’ll often combo with their normal physicals attack. 200 might be closer to an in-game average)
-->Axel does have some support...but you can take at least all but two without him ever bothering to approach you, if not every single one. As such, he shouldn't really get any support credit. So his HP is pretty horrid.

Attack- 110
Triple Strike 3: 176 physical, 9 SP (138 Base)
Tiger Charge 3: 197 physical, 27 SP (138 Base)
Shocking Soul 3: 187 physical, 17 SP (146 Base)
My Heart Shakes 3: 216 physical, 45 SP (146 Base)

ZENON
HP: 20,790
SP: 1,620
ATK: 2,070
INT: 1,692
HIT: 1,380 (Incredibly hard to reduce below 99%. Adell, who has 50% evasion, would need 50% more in stats in order to reduce this additionally).
DEF: 1,682 (Reduces Avg ATK about 40%; Subtracts 16% straight off attacks) 
RES: 900 (Reduces Avg INT about 25; Subtracts 10% straight off attacks)
SPD: 817 (10% Evasion; 20% without Rozalin factored into the HIT average)
Counter: 2

Halves Elements Above 50% HP
Attack improves 25% below 25% HP
Immune to Atk, Magic, Defense, and MDef Down, as well as status. Believe he also has 50% resistance to Spd and Hit down.

HP: 1450
In-Game Defense: 750 (Trading an Armor for HP booster/all around stat booster)
In-Game Res: 420
Damage: 950 (Note: Zenon has no support, but attacking with a full force is a sure way to die thanks to Dark Revenge’s massive range)

Attack: 700 (900 under 25% HP)
Dark Revenge: 1080 Physical Damage,47 SP (1400 under 25% HP)
Dark Howl: 1080 Star/Physical, gained below 50% health, 116 SP (1400 under 25% HP)
Giga Fire: 720 Fire Magic, 53 SP
Giga Wind: 720 Wind Magic, 53 SP
Giga Ice: 720 Ice Magic, 53 SP
Giga Star: 775 Star Magic, 73 SP
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Re: Disgaea 2
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2008, 09:32:23 AM »
Temp Axel
1. I'm comparing him to L20 characters. This could be a little high (maybe 3 or so extra battles if you use a full generic team), but L18 is probably the lowest I could see. The equips are a bit pricey, but you generally have enough to outfit the story PCs. I also threw on the Dark Rosary since Axel has the upgraded version (And you have several equips of the Dark Rosary or similar powered equips).

2. Defenses are probably checked by a multiplier of about 1.15 at this point of the game.

3. Averages
Damage: 159
(2.5 Kill Point: 398)
HP: 372

AXEL
HP:  485
SP:  137
ATK:  270
HIT:  141
DEF:  172 (Cuts Physical Damage by 3)
RES:  165 (Cuts Magical Damage by 5)
SPD:  223
Evasion:  18% Relative (30% Raw)
Accuracy: 100% (But the lowest of the all the PCs)

Axel halves all damage done to him by humans (On a map where you face only monsters. Badass! Arguably not legal in this battle similar to how Valvilus doesn't get 99% MEvade)

Playful Punch: 41 ATK, 38 SPD
Leather Jacket: 22 DEF, 4 HIT
Devil Ring: 101 HP, 37 SP, 50 ATK, 37 HIT, 50 DEF, 46 RES, 46 SPD

Attack:  92
Triple Strike: 130 Physical Damage, 8 SP
Tiger Charge: 141 Physical Damage, 25 SP
Shocking Soul:  144 Physical Damage, 16 SP

Adell
HP: 381 (476)
SP:  80 (104)
ATK: 179 (329)
HIT: 119 (143)
DEF: 80 (158)
RES: 80 (103)
SPD: 144 (236)
Evasion: 26% Relative (35% Raw)

Father’s Fist:  ATK- 85, SPD- 85, HP-33
Round Shield/Energy Belt/Dark Rosary- 62 HP, 24 SP, 65 Atk, 24 Hit, 78 Def, 23 Res, 7 Spd

Crimson Blaze 2- 201 Fire/Physical

Rozalin
HP: 255 (303)
SP:  139 (168)
HIT: 159 (296)
DEF: 80 (152)
RES: 139 (176)
SPD: 95 (123)

MK II: Hit- 72, Spd- 12
Round Shield/Nerd Glasses/Dark Rosary- 48 HP, 29 SP, 65 Hit, 70 Def, 35 Res, 16 Spd

Tri-Burst 3-  170

Tink
HP:  255 (327)
SP:  119 (148)
ATK: 139 (285)
HIT: 119 (218)
DEF:  80 (150)
RES:  100 (129)
SPD: 159 (167)
Evasion: -9% Relative (7% Raw)

Bear Claw: ATK- 87, HIT- 70, HP- 24
Round Shield/Energy Belt/Dark Rosary- 48 HP, 29 SP, 59 Atk, 29 Hit, 70 Def, 29 Res, 8 Spd

Nail Bat 1- 206 Physical Damage, 46 SP

Hanako
HP: 225 (269)
ATK: 119 (252)
HIT: 119 (209)
DEF: 80 (150)
RES: 100 (129)
SPD: 139 (149)

Bear Claw: ATK- 79, HIT- 64, HP- 22
Round Shield/Energy Belt/Dark Rosary- 44 HP, 26 SP, 54 Atk, 26 Hit, 70 Def, 29 Res, 10 Spd

Attack- 95

AVERAGES

Damage Average
Tink- 206
Adell- 201
Rozalin- 170
Axel- 144
Hanako- 95
Average: 159

HP Average: 372
Defense Average: 156
Resistance Average: 140
Hit Average: 201
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Re: Disgaea 2
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2008, 01:47:25 AM »
Added in the two bosses that have a decent ranking chance, as well as Axel's temp form (Which he really hopes people allow, because it's probably about triple durability of his boss form, and mostly similar otherwise).
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Re: Disgaea 2
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2008, 02:12:46 AM »
It should be noted for character uniqueness that each character has a Lover that has a random chance of appearing on a weapon.  The cap on a lover is 25 in a single weapon.  Lovers increase the character's  stats by 1% for each (2% subdued), up to a 25% bonus (1.25x multiplier), but what is unique to each character is the different effects.

Adell Lover:  Increases Adell's damage done to higher level enemies by 25% (bringing his bonus up from 25% to 50% - this means his best damage does 1633 instead)
Rozalin:  Increases the stats of surrounding males by 45% instead of 20%
Tink (Blue):  +4 to MOV instead of +2
Tink (Red):  45% stat boost for each adjacent female instead of 20%
Hanako:  Takes only 25% damage from monsters (No idea how this translates)
Taro:  45% boost to DEF and RES while in critical instead of 20%
Yukimaru:  45% chance to inflict Amnesia with her basic physical instead of 20%  (Turn 2-3 silence vs. Turn 3-5?  BIG boost).
Etna:  75% increase stats of surrounding non-Kurtis Prinnies instead of a 50% boost (Useless in the DL...)
Flonne:  Increases effectiveness of healing spells used by Flonne by 75% instead of a 50% boost
Laharl:  Deals 50% more to monsters instead of 25% more

Land of Carnage cases only:
Axel:  Takes 25% of the damage from humanoids, instead of a 50% reduction.
Fubuki:  45% of the damage he deals with a basic physical is taken from the opponent's MP/SP/TP/What-have-you instead of 20%.
Kurtis:  Takes 25% of the damage from higher leveled opponents instead of a 50% reduction (this sounds so freaking broken...)

So what happens?  Adell gets MORE damage, Rozalin is better in team matches, Tink gets more powerful in some team matches, Hanako translates weirdly, Taro becomes harder to hurt in critical, Yukimaru is a non-silence-immune/resistant mage slayer, Etna stays the same, Flonne is a better healer in team matches, Laharl translates as well as Hanako.  Then, we have the possible broken that is Axel and Kurtis, with Fubuki doing MP nuking with his damage.
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