Season 43, Week 2 - Light decided it's cute to emulate NR. Run screaming.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike

Luis Virgil (XS) vs. Shania (SH3)
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6)
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1)
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Luca Blight (S2)


Heavy

Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs. Maya Schroedinger (WA3)
Rune Walsh (PS4) vs. Saki Inugami (SH2)
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8)
Gala (LoL) vs. Feena (G1)


Middle

Nikea (S5) vs. Alonso (G3)
Alef (SF1) vs. Hahn Mahlay (PS4)
Duran (SD3) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)
Etna (Disgaea) vs. Brad Evans (WA2)


Light

Balbaroy (SF1) vs. Gandar (VP1)
Stallion (Suikos) vs. Big Joe (XG)
Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4)
Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7)

[superaielman]

Godlike

Luis Virgil (XS) vs. Shania (SH3)- Shadow Wing. I don't think Shania blasts past all of form 2.
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1)- Doesn't face the Glance Reviver. Good enough tiebreak for me.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Luca Blight (S2)- Arc really sucks against bosses that have any kind of durability.


Heavy

Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs. Maya Schroedinger (WA3)
Rune Walsh (PS4) vs. Saki Inugami (SH2)- The DLverse is a Justin fan, apparently.
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8)- Fuck off Ultros
Gala (LoL) vs. Feena (G1)- No seriously. Rune gets freaking Saki and Feena gets GALA?! That's just wrong on so many levels.


Middle

Nikea (S5) vs. Alonso (G3)- Nikea's HP: 1.28 PC, average defense. Alonso's damage, after two Lancer Smashes- 1.26. Tryyy again, wanker.  (On that note Alonso ended up better than I thought without SP.)
Alef (SF1) vs. Hahn Mahlay (PS4)- Alef is beyond puny. Savol handles this fine. (SF1r nerfed Bolt 4)
Duran (SD3) vs. [Fu So Ya (FF4)- Duran vs status. This will end well.
Etna (Disgaea) vs. Brad Evans (WA2)


Light

Balbaroy (SF1) vs. Gandar (VP1)- Kneejerk here.
Stallion (Suikos) vs. Big Joe (XG)
Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4)- 4a slaughters (Doubles instantly, has fire physicals. Probably one rounds Raja). 4o dies horribly (Psycrown, Edward sucking in general.) seems easy either way.
Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7)

[Dark Holy Elf]

Godlike

Luis Virgil (XS) vs. Shania (SH3): My vague gut is that she can buff and smash through all of form 2's HP. First form can't really scare her at all. EDIT: Oh yeah, and XS1 lacks paralysis and SH3 lacks Stop? Wouldn't be a stretch to call those equivalent, and then this just gets kinda easy.
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6): Ooh, this I'm not sure on.
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1): Hey, it's the same thing with a lot more HP! No, VP2 boss Res does not make up for this. Might close the fact that Loki has more damage, too!


Heavy

Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs. Maya Schroedinger (WA3): Actually, Maya has ITE even at full HP. It might even 2HKO Arnaud. It doesn't have to. Spoil'd by stat down resistance.
Rune Walsh (PS4) vs. Saki Inugami (SH2): OHKOs with Energy Charge. ;_;
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8): If Valter survives that opening Tentacle, he wins! He... probably doesn't, though.


Middle

Nikea (S5) vs. Alonso (G3): Numbers are checked! Anyway, Nikea needs HP twinking to survive two Lancer Smashes. Problem is, with HP twinking, she... may fail to 2HKO. Depends how much taking away crits/swings hurts her damage. The drop is unknown! I'll say she pulls it off, since I'm inclined to disrespect early temps + at least her weapon is light and her Tech is high, suggesting a lot of it is innate.
Alef (SF1) vs. Hahn Mahlay (PS4): Well, um. Hahn needs both Elim to be turn 1, and to use the higher SF1 levels, or at least something in between, so that he can survive without going to a shield. Alternatively, he could instantly lap after using Slow Down. I... think he wins on average of my interpretations. Especially since I'm inclined to tiebreak for the person who, at the very worst, always always has at least a 60% chance of winning straight up with Vol.
Duran (SD3) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4): Same status or other.
Etna (Disgaea) vs. Brad Evans (WA2): Etna might have an argument, but definitely kneejerking this way.


Light

Balbaroy (SF1) vs. Gandar (VP1): Gandar is terrible.
Stallion (Suikos) vs. Big Joe (XG): So is Big Joe, even if he's awesome.
Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4): Edward is also absolutely pathetic.
Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7): As is Shiho. What is with this Light?

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike

Luis Virgil (XS) vs. Shania (SH3)- Blargh, Virgil. From descriptions it sounds close...but my memory of him was pretty shitty. Granted, I'm not horribly inclined to respect his durability, which makes me lean Shania.
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6)- Yep, also unsure on this. Not sure if Terra can succesfully chip around where she needs to.
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1)- Loki
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Luca Blight (S2)- Arc. Luca's HP is not so hot+not status immune.

Heavy

Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs. Maya Schroedinger (WA3)- Maya
Rune Walsh (PS4) vs. Saki Inugami (SH2)- Saki.
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8)- Ultros.
Gala (LoL) vs. Feena (G1)- Feena.


Middle

Nikea (S5) vs. Alonso (G3)- Alonso. He's fast with a solid 2HKO. Nikea is slow with a solid 2HKO.
Alef (SF1) vs. Hahn Mahlay (PS4)- Alef...if she normally had an OHKO, I'd call her winning this. But about 92% PC HP damage doesn't quite cut it.
Duran (SD3) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)- Fu So Ya
Etna (Disgaea) vs. Brad Evans (WA2)- Brad. Not really mathing this one out, but feels like his HP at least keeps him up long enough to get off something that demolishes her.

Light

Balbaroy (SF1) vs. Gandar (VP1)- Gandar. Boss form, don't hold him to the turn limit. Balbaroy loses the tiebreak and has half average damage.
Stallion (Suikos) vs. Big Joe (XG)- Stallion
Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4)- Edward. Yep, 4a crushes.
Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7)- Erk

[randomhero]

Godlike

Luis Virgil (XS) vs. Shania (SH3)
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6) - Could go either way really
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Luca Blight (S2)

Heavy

Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs. Maya Schroedinger (WA3) - Mage abilities FTW
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8)
Gala (LoL) vs. Feena (G1) - I think I'm horribly wrong about this one.


Middle

Nikea (S5) vs. Alonso (G3) - Not even close
Etna (Disgaea) vs. Brad Evans (WA2)

Light

Stallion (Suikos) vs. Big Joe (XG) - Too fast for Big Joe
Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4) - Spoony worthless bard
Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7) - Spoony Songstress

[Monkeyfinger]

Godlike

Luis Virgil (XS) vs. Shania (SH3): Tonfa says there's a paralysis blocker, so whatever. Virgil vs. full healing, buffing PC that he can't status.
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6): Terra's like a hair below average speed. I have respect for Luther's speed, but not 3-2 turns average level respect. So Terra blasts Luther with 2 ultimas, killing him. Considering what Luther's like at full HP, it's safe to say he can't 2HKO. She might risk triggering insanity prelude, but that takes forever to use and is piss easy to avoid. Some sort of penalty needs to be applied to it, be it speed, accuracy, or both, meaning it misses Terra, goes after Terra's second ultima, or both.
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1): Ehhhhhhh.... what super said, I guess.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Luca Blight (S2): EDIT: Nah, between the possiblity of being one rounded and the possiblity of being outlasted, the odds of everything coming up Arc just seem too slim, on further reflection.


Heavy

Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs. Maya Schroedinger (WA3)
Rune Walsh (PS4) vs. Saki Inugami (SH2)
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8)


Middle

Nikea (S5) vs. Alonso (G3): Alonso has a chance of a 2HKO, but Nikea has a chance of an OHKO. (According to the stat topic her odds of part of Boar critting are over 66%) So yeah.
Alef (SF1) vs. Hahn Mahlay (PS4)
Duran (SD3) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)


Light

Balbaroy (SF1) vs. Gandar (VP1)
Stallion (Suikos) vs. Big Joe (XG)
Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4)
Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7)

[Taishyr]

Godlike

Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6) - ...very, very close; I want to replay SO3, but as is... mmm. This may change, but inclined to say Terra barely gets nailed. Though... mmm, mmm. I don't know. Like the match.
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1) My head. Pass.

Heavy

Rune Walsh (PS4) vs. Saki Inugami (SH2) - Mmm, yeah.
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8) - Damnit, Ultros.


Middle

Duran (SD3) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4) - ...asdf what WHAT.

Light

Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4) - FF4o.
Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7) - ... uh. Why in hell are a bunch of my minor interp problems all coming up this season? Geh, will check on a few things then vote here.

[Dhyerwolf]

Nikea (S5) vs. Alonso (G3): Alonso has a chance of a 2HKO, but Nikea has a chance of an OHKO. (According to the stat topic her odds of part of Boar critting are over 66%) So yeah.

Nikea has a 45% chance of some kind of Boar crit on turn 1.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike

Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6) - My kneejerk is that, while Terra 2HKOs, Luther 3-2s and Perfect Symmetryx2 eats her alive. Trying to chip gets her nowhere fast.
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1) - One weapon on one character does not make about 3x more HP than Genevieve be frailer than her. Both are the same thing, but Loki is more durable.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Luca Blight (S2) - MY HEAD.


Heavy

Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs. Maya Schroedinger (WA3) - Um, yeah. ITE+massive stat down resistance.
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8) - Uh, I allow Lete River Ultros nowadays. That's ugly.
Gala (LoL) vs. Feena (G1) - lol.


Middle

Alef (SF1) vs. Hahn Mahlay (PS4) - Okay, as a disclaimer: I average the figures of both stat topics for my own. As such, while Alef does go first, she... juuuuuuuuuuuuuuust misses the OHKO to average, thus, to Hahn. And Hahn wins this if he doesn't get OHKOed. Great match, regardless.
Duran (SD3) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4) - More of that "lol" thing.


Light

Balbaroy (SF1) vs. Gandar (VP1) - lol vp mage
Stallion (Suikos) vs. Big Joe (XG) - lol big joe
Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4) - lol edwa- wait FF4a. ;_;
Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7) - lol vp mage

[Meeplelard]

Godlike

Luis Virgil (XS) vs. Shania (SH3): Yeah, think she can just pull this off.
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6): Luther 3-2ing is pretty big stretch.  Also, even if he does, couldn't Terra just have him hang about his High HP phase until the turn he doesn't double and misses her (his damage isn't unblockable, IIRC, and Terra's got good evade), and then time her Ultima to come off after one Insanity Prelude?
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1): Gen runs into her superior in most ways that matter.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Luca Blight (S2): Close one, I think, kneejerk says this (what the fuck, ARc getting a win in godlike?)


Heavy

Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs. Maya Schroedinger (WA3): Arnaud vs. Evade Ignoring physicals, that'll go over well.
Rune Walsh (PS4) vs. Saki Inugami (SH2): Rune vs. High Damage bosses with a scrap of durability, that'll go over well.
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8): Valter vs. Double Tentacle, that'll go over well.
Gala (LoL) vs. Feena (G1): Gala vs. someone who doesn't suck, that'll go over well.


Middle

Nikea (S5) vs. Alonso (G3): Kneejerk
Alef (SF1) vs. Hahn Mahlay (PS4): Hahn had high magic defense, so he should be able to tank out Bolt 4, and run Alef out of MP in worst case scenario.
Duran (SD3) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4): Oath Shield doesn't stop ALL status, which is kind of important given how many Fu So Ya has.
Etna (Disgaea) vs. Brad Evans (WA2): Pretty sure Etna can't get around Boost Rail Gun.


Light

Balbaroy (SF1) vs. Gandar (VP1): Kneejerk says "Not a VP1 Mage."
Stallion (Suikos) vs. Big Joe (XG): Not Big Joe.
Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4): FF4a Edward is faster, more damaging, and said damage is Fire.
Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7): Erk gets a critical eventually, and I think he counters Wait Reaction, in worst case scenario.

[cloudstrifesheart]

Definitely better matches this week

Loki vs. Genevieve- Loki just dominates. Do you guys allow Loki the dragon orb?, cause if thats the form he gets......I don't see no reason why hes not bringing home the championship, except maybe Lady

Arc vs. Luca- How is Luca's durability shitty, we are talking about a guy who took on like the whole suiko cast at once. Its a close match, but invincible doesn't last long enough for me.

Gala vs. Feena- Poor gala, and feena for godlike

Duran vs. Fu So Ya- The old man is on a roll

Etna vs. Brad Evans- He finally gets a win

Edward vs. Raja- My favorite bard of all time, and what is ff4a vy the way?

[muakaka]

Godlike

Luis Virgil (XS) vs. Shania (SH3)- Well, I'm pretty lenient on storebought accessories, so there goes that.
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6)- As far as SO3 is concerned, I believe the game has no concept of accuracy. You're in range, you get hit.
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1)
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Luca Blight (S2)- Arc's damage vs. Luca. The monster durability. Can't really see Arc surviving Luca for long after he runs out of MP.


Heavy

Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs. Maya Schroedinger (WA3)- ITE against Arnaud. T_T
Rune Walsh (PS4) vs. Saki Inugami (SH2)- SAKI.
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8)
Gala (LoL) vs. Feena (G1)- Gala just fries to her. Downgrade.


Middle

Nikea (S5) vs. Alonso (G3)- I generally hold very little respect for temps, unless they're as awesome as Fou-Lu(or in G3's case, Miranda)
Etna (Disgaea) vs. Brad Evans (WA2)- Etna.


Light

Stallion (Suikos) vs. Big Joe (XG)- BIG JOE.
Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4)

Leh sighz. Ryu2 lost to Indy by a SINGLE vote T_T.

[Tonfa]

Godlike

Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6): Terra has no Ultima, kthxbyefried. Would be a good match with the L99 move. Something to remember in the analysis is Luther has attached paralysis on Perfect Symmetry and attached MP damage(pretty bad, but still) on his various moves to counteract stalling though.
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1): Eh whatever.

Heavy

Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8): Haha.
Gala (LoL) vs. Feena (G1): No battle of fierce passion with Songi in Godlike. Sucks for Gala.


Middle

Duran (SD3) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4): Fail.

Light

Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7): Mages are broken. Oh wait, wrong duelling thingy.

[Sierra]

Godlike

Luis Virgil (XS) vs. Shania (SH3): No storebought accessories for Shania. That's pretty much the match, there.
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6): Ooh, good match. Terra's worst problem is getting fragged by Perfect Symmetry, but I think she can kill him fast enough to dodge the status. Also, mocking of Insanity Prelude goes here. EDIT: Argh, how did I forget Luther has MP damage? That might change things.
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1): Hah, cute match. Gen pretty much laughs at magic, so I see her winning the damage race by a fair margin. Enough to beat someone with twice her HP? Eh, I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the one with the crappier record.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Luca Blight (S2)


Heavy

Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs. Maya Schroedinger (WA3): ITE physicals? Ouch. Welcome to Heavy, Arnaud.
Rune Walsh (PS4) vs. Saki Inugami (SH2): Energy Charge + anything = splat. Rune can't kill her before she gets two turns.
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8)
Gala (LoL) vs. Feena (G1)


Middle

Nikea (S5) vs. Alonso (G3)
Alef (SF1) vs. Hahn Mahlay (PS4): Good match. I...think I see her being faster, though, which means she can chip and force Hahn to keep healing--until she gets a double, at which point Bolt4 happens.
Duran (SD3) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)
Etna (Disgaea) vs. Brad Evans (WA2): Just a better slugger, and Etna doesn't really have any way to get around Boost Rail Gun.


Light

Balbaroy (SF1) vs. Gandar (VP1): Uh. Balbaroy is bad enough to actually make me question whether he can outslug a VP mage...but not quite bad enough for me to decide that he can't do it.
Stallion (Suikos) vs. Big Joe (XG): Not Big Joe.
Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4): Not familiar with the non-Puny form of Edward.
Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7)

[Shale]

Godlike

Luis Virgil (XS) vs. Shania (SH3)
No statusblockers for you.
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6)
MP damage cinches it.
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1)
Just better.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Luca Blight (S2)
Nigh-infinite healing mangles Luca.

Heavy

Rune Walsh (PS4) vs. Saki Inugami (SH2)
Proably 2HKOs double-shield Rune with Energy Charge? Far too quick a kill for Mr. PS4 Spellcaster Who Can't Heal to do anything useful.
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8)
Neither is at all durable. Better damage, methinks?
Gala (LoL) vs. Feena (G1)
Uh, yeah. Splatter.


Middle

Alef (SF1) vs. Hahn Mahlay (PS4)
Splatter, part 2.
Etna (Disgaea) vs. Brad Evans (WA2)
Disgaea PC vs. skillset.


Light

Balbaroy (SF1) vs. Gandar (VP1)
VP1 mages are soft and squishy.
Stallion (Suikos) vs. Big Joe (XG)
NOT BIG JOE.
Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4)
Someday, Raja.
Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7)
Never, Shiho.

[Pyro]

Godlike

Luis Virgil (XS) vs. Shania (SH3): Buuurp. Copying NEB.
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6):
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1): I guess I'll buy his damage being better. She has to be fought on Hard, which is a good tiebreaker! And yes, the GR can make Loki look pretty bad. Its one *forced* character, and averaging twinkable setups (whether by limited weapons/skills/whatever) over a large cast to nerf the averages gets only mockery from me. Suikoden bosses get held against the best runes even if there aren't enough to go around, etc...
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Luca Blight (S2): Weak Enemy, lap, heal... Well, I'm assuming Weak Enemy works here. Way to be status-vulnerble, Luca. Of course Luca wins by a huge margine anyway. 28789849578 arrows!!!!!!!


Heavy

Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs. Maya Schroedinger (WA3): Welcome to Heavy indeed.
Rune Walsh (PS4) vs. Saki Inugami (SH2)
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8): OHKO works for me.
Gala (LoL) vs. Feena (G1): Gala sucks.


Middle

Nikea (S5) vs. Alonso (G3): Look at this later.
Alef (SF1) vs. Hahn Mahlay (PS4): And this.
Duran (SD3) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)
Etna (Disgaea) vs. Brad Evans (WA2): Railgun whatever. 2 Lock-On Mini Scuds handle this just fine, and he isn't 3-2d by average or something. Brad is also a tank.


Light: WHAT CRISPY SHIT IS THIS LIGHT?

Balbaroy (SF1) vs. Gandar (VP1):
Stallion (Suikos) vs. Big Joe (XG)
Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4)
Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7): Though Wait Reaction probably kills faster than usual against mage pdef!

[Dhyerwolf]

Arc vs. Luca- How is Luca's durability shitty, we are talking about a guy who took on like the whole suiko cast at once. Its a close match, but invincible doesn't last long enough for me.

Luca has a little over 6000 HP. Assuming the damage average is 400 around then, he lives 2.5 turns. Of course, high powered spells/runes flying around means that damage will be higher. Luca takes on the whole Suiko cast for plot reasons (Some characters attack him, and then he moves onto the next group), not because he's so durable that it literally takes 3 parties to beat him.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Alef (SF1) vs. Hahn Mahlay (PS4): Good match. I...think I see her being faster, though, which means she can chip and force Hahn to keep healing--until she gets a double, at which point Bolt4 happens.

Hahn has Doran, you know. Remember, the speed-busting spell? Which, in spite of being pretty damned accurate, you never use in-game because bosses immune it? >_>

[Dark Holy Elf]

Regarding the Glance Reviver, it's not pushing Gen's durability past Loki's. Gen has 188k HP, Loki has 400k. Damage average does not double between them. In order for that to happen, assuming everyone deals equal damage pre-GR (which is false, Lenneth is above average), then GR would have to raise Lenneth's damage by a factor of 5 or 6. It does not. Not even especially close. It's a weapon with 6000 power compared to other endgame weapons which hover around 2000, and VP adds a fair amount of base Attack from PC strength and the Attack Pow skill (more than enemy Def does).

GR may -seem- a bit better in-game if you don't use Sap Guard, because it damages Loki well and other weapons really struggle.

Even on my bizarro challenge file where I used Chapter 7 weapons, GR didn't make Loki less durable than the bosses before him. It's a damn good weapon that hurts Loki's HP for sure, but hardly into instant fail territory.

For the Supers: I thought you didn't allow focussed Indiscriminate? If you don't, this is even less close. Loki is reduced to using Extension Force, which is a solid 2HKO. Gen, due to Loki's Def, is stranded without her good physical and ends up using a regular spell in Poison Blow. I forget if it even 2HKOs offhand, but it's certainly lower damage.

[Pyro]

Not arguing with Loki's HP being better than Gen's. Just commenting that I don't agree with watering down the effects of a 1/4 weapon to 1/22 for boss scaling purposes. i.e. the "its only one PC in a huge cast! It barely matters!" line of thinking. I've seen it before and I'd rather address it now than later.

I agree with Loki's HP being flat out better. Doubly so since Gen is only fought on Hard mode, which has more shiny ways to deal damage. (Wand of Apocalypse being available, etc...)

[Dark Holy Elf]

Oh, I agree with that, certainly.

[cloudstrifesheart]

That is the only time you fight Luca.....isn't it? The one battle you do with him is that plot battle. I may be wrong, but if that is his only battle how do you scale him? If his hp is 6000, wasn't like the max hp for a suiko character like 750? Its been awhile since I playedd Suiko2. Nobody answered my question either, does Loki have access to the dragon orb?

[VySaika]

Godlike

Luis Virgil (XS) vs. Shania (SH3) - Pass
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6) - I allow some aftergame/overleveled moves...but Ultima's a bit TOO overleveled for me.
Loki (VP1) vs. Genevieve (VP1) - Same game, better at it.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Luca Blight (S2) - ...thinking. I have lots of Luca durability respect...but also lots of respect for Weak Enemy's stat-nuking.


Heavy

Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs. Maya Schroedinger (WA3) - Arnaud apparently has a cosplay weakness. Who knew?
Rune Walsh (PS4) vs. Saki Inugami (SH2) - Splat.
Ultros (FF6) vs. Valter (FE8) - Hmm. I'm...not sure if I see Valter surviving that opening tentacle or not. Leaning no, but...if he does, that's game for Ultros. Thinking.
Gala (LoL) vs. Feena (G1)


Middle

Nikea (S5) vs. Alonso (G3) - Kneejerking that Alonso juuuuuust barely fails to 2HKO, and that's that.
Alef (SF1) vs. Hahn Mahlay (PS4) - SF1r
Duran (SD3) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4) - Way to draw, Duran.
Etna (Disgaea) vs. Brad Evans (WA2) - Better slugger. MUCH better slugger.


Light

Balbaroy (SF1) vs. Gandar (VP1) - Boss...form? Maybe? Whatever, not thinking about this.
Stallion (Suikos) vs. Big Joe (XG) - Stallion likes being translated into a CTB system. He also likes drawing a horrible puny.
Edward Chris von Muir (FF4) vs. Raja (PS4) - 4a murders
Shiho (VP1) vs. Erk (FE7) - ...why is Shiho even ranked, again?

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

To CSH:

Uh, Luca's battle is split three ways and each form has a certain amount of HP. And scaling boss HP against PC HP is something I'd call madness, personally, and it's not done by... anyone that I know of in the DL. You scale their HP against damage done, which makes it considerably less impressive. Assuming 400 damage is average in-game for that point (which may or may not be a bit generous, but the 400-500 range sounds right), you have... someone who doesn't last terribly long against average damage raw HP-wise, and that's assuming you give him his three-fight HP. His durability both in-game and in-DL is inflated by his damage halving, which stops his durability from being PC-level.

And Loki has the Dragon Orb attack, but Indiscriminate > it by a ways.

[Meeplelard]

regarding the MP damage arguments for luther...

Unless I'm missing something, his MP damage is...really bad.  At best, a 3HKO to average MP.  Terra's well above average (25% MP from Minerva and then it hits defense so its doing even less.)  And that's PERFECT SYMMETRY's MP damage. 

his MP damage before Perfect Symmetry?  its 220-440 damage, based on the notes in the stat topic, from Expansion Force, and then there's Flaming Divide's 550 which also requires an HP trigger.
End game SO3 MP, if you're wondering, is 2276 according to the stat topic.

Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Terra Branford (FF6)- As far as SO3 is concerned, I believe the game has no concept of accuracy. You're in range, you get hit.

Nope, wrong.  The game has accuracy and evasion, it just rarely kicks in.  You'll see a weird blocking animation if it occurs.  Whether someone can prove it ignores evade or not, I'm not taking it as unevadable until then.

Also, people who don't allow Ultima...

You guys do realize Terra still has 8500 damage (down from 9999) from Morph Fire 3, right?  So its possible she won't even need Ultima.

Before you say "Meeple's being a Terra fanboy!" I would like to hear better arguments than "lol no Ultima!" (at least acknowledge Morph Fire 3 exists by saying "its not quite strong enough!") or "MP DAMAGE HA!" (when MP damage is really not good at all.)

EDIT: And forgot he halves Fire! Ok, still, she has Morph Pearl which is 7600~ damage, which admittedly, is noticeably worse.