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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #575 on: June 15, 2008, 01:32:01 AM »
Well, I'm sure of it. Even if it is by dethy-style logic. I did consider Andy might've been the kill target (that was in fact what I thought first!) but think that's really unlikely.

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #576 on: June 15, 2008, 01:40:59 AM »
Carth, I'm not that bad a kill, really. There are three protective powers floating around. My bussing, your bussing and Tai's blocking. It could have been anticipation of a bus or two. There are a lot of reasons to try and kill me.

Ninja Edit: Uh. Strago? Check out yesterday. I was bottom of the list for a couple people. I haven't really spent any of the game under suspicion either. Really, the ONLY shots at me have been Ciato (angry town rant go), you (who tried to kill me BECAUSE of said angry town rant and have never really expressed a lot about me otherwise) and Tai (who still doesn't list me as one of the scum pairs).

Ninja Edit part two: Because the vig and roleblocker could easily be protected by the busdrivers and the roleblock-doc. *facepalm* Because the vig or the roleblocker are scum themselves? Geeze. I have to prod you all repeatedly to get Cappy lynched, and now you are rushing me to the gallows about three times as fast for weaker reasoning? Seriously here, guys.

Ninja Edit part three: No. But as we recall from yesterday, people don't get a heads up.

Seriously though. I'm not a bad kill choice. I've had limited suspicion on me all game. I have an effective protect power. I could even have just been the victim of a bad WIFOM guess (I bet Rat swapped Andy). I'm really surprised at how fast "Andrew must be scum!" got latched onto. Again, this is the group that took some convincing about Captain K , and he had a daykill power. Doesn't this seem a little off to anyone else?

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #577 on: June 15, 2008, 01:59:22 AM »
I'm not ruling out Andrew as being scum.

My major problem lies with who his potential accomplice would be.

If it's not Taishyr (who i feel pretty confident of as being town) or Strago (who has a good alibi for being town), it'd leave Carth and El Cid.

Now Carthrat's story meshes up pretty well with Strago's and Taishyr's, and unless there're three scum around (impossible with 6 left), I doubt these three are in conspiracy.

That leaves El Cid. And there's NO case against El Cid at all.

So I have no idea who the other scum could be, if Andrew is scum at all. That's what I want to know. If Andrew is scum, and Strago kills, we'll have the best odds, given that scum also kill someone. We'll be down another three, and we'll be at three: Two town and one scum.

I want to use this day to devise a strategy for success here.

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #578 on: June 15, 2008, 02:04:05 AM »
Firstly: if you really think the vig is scum you get to provide an alternate explanation for the kill setup night 1.

secondly: weren't you saying your role was risky to use earlier?

Thirdly: heh, that's part of why I wanted to see you talk; had you claimed you had gotten a message, I'd have been laughing. And hammering. But mostly laughing.

Fourthly: I'm forced to note you haven't even proposed who you were going to bus, not like it matters too much with the roleblock.

Fifth: Just because you haven't been forefront suspicious before doesn't mean you aren't now. That neither proves nor disproves anything, and, say, presuming El Cid is scum:

He has the miller vig.
He has the roleblocking doctor who cannot block any of the other three without risking blocking an important role.
He has the bus driver who can't block himself, IIRC, and thus can only swap around one other target.
He has then you who seemingly hasn't used his abilities since the beginning.

Targeting you seems the most ridiculous of the options, especially since the miller vig is pretty much soft-confirmed, I know I'm town and apparently I've made my case well enough, and the Rat was likely mafia targeted and thus not mafia himself.

These three he cannot easily throw suspicion on.

You? Would be comparatively easier. Not as easy as perhaps say Bardiche, but you would still be an easy person to foist this off on. There's no real advantage to targeting you over trying to kill one of the three people that can be more easily trusted.

Edit: Bardiche, hate to say it but from our position you'd be the most obvious one here, especially with your pre-emptive information. El Cid... well. Lemme glance through again quickly but I seem to recall thinking about sound and fury with regards to him, though again, different playstyles.


One disturbing possiblity has come up in my mind and I really don't like it. Let me think about this for a moment, but... mmmm.

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #579 on: June 15, 2008, 02:08:31 AM »
Vig is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be scum, what with claiming he killed Dread Thomas and all without any opposition from another source, as well as nobody else taking credit for the Fnorder kill. You could make a case for him being an SK, but guessing an SK is a crapshoot anyway.

Tai's role and targets also seems remarkably counter-intuitive for scum; why would kills keep getting *stopped* if he's scum? Scum jailer isn't necessarily impossible, but it seems amazingly unlikely (he could've been down like two more townies at this point if he's scum.

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Bard: If I was going to suggest a plan, it'd be lynch Andy, let Strago kill one of you and Cid, and lynch the other the next day. That'd off all of the people I think have scum potential (Cid is mainly through process of elimination at this point, though) and win the game for town. I think. I hope.
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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #580 on: June 15, 2008, 02:09:07 AM »
My proposition involved Rat defending either you or Strago, with Strago killing me at night to clear away that idea. I'm the weakest link as far as town players go, so it is best you kill me at night using Strago's vigilante.

That way, you'd be rid of the jester who you cannot trust, and have only others left where you need to discern the liar based on what they say and do that day. I have no intention of surviving to the last day anymore in the best interest of the town, although that interest is best served with NOT lynching me today.

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #581 on: June 15, 2008, 02:09:30 AM »
By jester I mean local town fool. Not the... Jester mafia role.

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #582 on: June 15, 2008, 02:10:52 AM »
You being jester would actually explain an awful lot. >_>
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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #583 on: June 15, 2008, 02:11:50 AM »
I tend to agree with Rat's proposal, here. Unless he or Tai is somehow scum and have pulled the evil wool over our collective eyes, with Andy dead there don't seem to be any roles around which would interfere with righteous Wolf-style justice.

Well, assuming Scum Bard or Scum El Cid don't have secret roles they've hidden. Mrf.

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #584 on: June 15, 2008, 02:13:49 AM »
You being jester would actually explain an awful lot. >_>

No, I stick by my claim of Town Cop with Pre-Emptive Information. At the time it seemed that last part would be a major help to Town, but now it only made me MORE suspicious. lol

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #585 on: June 15, 2008, 02:19:24 AM »
Alright, I'm back where I started.

Do you want to bring up that last disturbing possibility you mentioned, Tai? Because I'm this close to putting Andy in smash-range.

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #586 on: June 15, 2008, 02:22:10 AM »
By the way please check ninja posts in this sort of situation to make sure you aren't posting after a hammer.  It will be bad if someone does.

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #587 on: June 15, 2008, 02:23:24 AM »
One disturbing possiblity has come up in my mind and I really don't like it. Let me think about this for a moment, but... mmmm.

Care to share that with us, Tai? Because we do seem to have decided on smashing Andy and I agree with your breakdown of why a town Andy was unlikely to have been targeted by scum last night.

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #588 on: June 15, 2008, 02:23:59 AM »
So, uh. I can block Bardiche, you snipe Cid, Strago? We can do it the other way I'm just paranoid about Bardiche being this SECRET NINJA DODGING MAFIA SINGING TRAITOR PUFFBALL. Or in other words I've got more paranoia over Bardiche than El Cid and if he has an ability I'd like to try and shut it down. Then again, if he does and his win condition is all the other scum's death we're fucked anyway so whatever I guess? You can choose.

Disturbing possibility was the mafia choosing not to kill last night. But... I can't see why they wouldn't... especially since they can hardly have guessed I'd choose to emphasize a roleblock and not a doctoring. So um. Even with that, tonight we go to 5, we then narrow it down to four and get to hope our guess for Strago's kill is right or something? Which means either Carthrat is scum, you are somehow, or there was only one more scum and it's the remainder, in which case we win anyway and it just takes longer.

So um. I can't see it paying off, but the Arthur Dent of Doubt is making my stomach nervous. Ah well, minefield, face ahead, let's rock. Confirm target and go ahead?

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #589 on: June 15, 2008, 02:24:55 AM »
Well, four or three. I guess I'm optimistic that I'd stop a kill again.

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #590 on: June 15, 2008, 02:25:49 AM »
I'll kill El Cid, you block Bardiche. We doin' this.

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #591 on: June 15, 2008, 02:26:23 AM »
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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #592 on: June 15, 2008, 02:27:52 AM »
Andrew, Scum Aligned Bus Driver, was Smash KO'd!

Night 5 get em in

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #593 on: June 15, 2008, 02:37:39 AM »
Strago

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El Cid


NO ITEMS

FINAL DESTINATION

BOTH LOSE BECAUSE IT IS FOX ONLY

Strago, aka Wolf, Town Aligned Miller Vigilante, was KO'd Night 5!
El Cid, aka Falco, Scum Aligned Lone Gunman Janitor Rolecop, was KO'd Night 5!


This game's winner is... TOWN!

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #594 on: June 15, 2008, 02:39:25 AM »
So yeah, I had some terrible play there.

Sorry guys, I got Ciato unjustly killed and generally sowed a lot of confusion with my play. Still, though.

Good game. I survived to the end! Hooray!

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (GAME OVER)
« Reply #595 on: June 15, 2008, 02:39:36 AM »
Well I fucking fail, I thought Cid was town for like the entire game.
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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (GAME OVER)
« Reply #596 on: June 15, 2008, 02:39:55 AM »
Hahaha. Cid was scum. Makes me feel better about calling him out Day 1.

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (GAME OVER)
« Reply #597 on: June 15, 2008, 02:40:41 AM »
Cappy, why did you not mention the part of your PM where Alex said the other scum might have kill related powers? :p

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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (GAME OVER)
« Reply #598 on: June 15, 2008, 02:41:10 AM »
He's good at this scum thing.

Sorry for dropping out, work kicked my ass this week and I could never get focused enough to play the game like I'd have to to win as SK. It's a shame, that would have been an awesomely fun role if I'd had the time to devote to it.
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Re: Super Mafia Bros Brawl - Game Topic (Day 5, 6 brawling)
« Reply #599 on: June 15, 2008, 02:41:24 AM »
Ha! Nicely effing played, El Cid. I honestly thought Bardiche was the lone scum and killing you was just culling the herd to push for an easier lynch on him. Ah well. Congrats, town (even though I completely sucked*, personally). Can't wait to see Alex's role/action breakdown and such.

*Apart from 3/4 of my vig attempts targeting scum, that is.