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Kefka Palazzo (FF6) vs. Lugia (PKMN)
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs. Zeromus (FF4)
Fujin (FF8) vs. Vandesdelca Musto Fende (TotA)
Cecilia Lyne Adlehyde (WA) vs. Dhaos (ToP)

Heavy

Anastasia Valeria (WA2) vs. Eirika (FE8)
Strago Magus (FF6) vs. Alfina de Pamela (G3)
Antenora (WA2) vs. Angelo (DQ8)
Bowie (ShF2) vs. Jenova (FF7)

Middle

Margulis (XSs) vs. Rena Lanford (SO2)
Jennifer (Dis) vs. Meganium (PKMN)
Keneth (S4) vs. Genis Sage (ToS)
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs. Valeria (Suikos)

Light

Zylo (ShF) vs. Connie (S3)
Jelanda Artolia (VP) vs. Gogo (FF6)
Gremio (S1) vs. Hix (Suikos)
Augst Henriksen (WA4) vs. Kent (FE7)
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2008, 05:28:23 AM »
Kefka Palazzo (FF6) vs. Lugia (PKMN) - ;_;
Cecilia Lyne Adlehyde (WA) vs. Dhaos (ToP) - Cecilia blocks Stone and Dhaos can't... really do anything against the buffing game. Ceci also has NE magic, just to seal things dead. Kind of a slaughter.

Anastasia Valeria (WA2) vs. Eirika (FE8) - Eirika goes first and should 3HKO. Ana... I'm not even sure if I see her being able to use the buff turn one, and, even if she does, she needs to use it twice to even stop Eirika from doubling, and trying to go for the healing gets her finished off by the next attack. The evade boost from only two castings also doesn't help much against Eirika accuracy. And I don't give Impulse the phantom member bonus either, which makes her... really unable to seal the match in a single turn. She needs to. So, yeah.
Bowie (ShF2) vs. Jenova (FF7) - I think that, of four Jenova forms, three clearly beat Bowie, assuming I didn't know which form I'd go by. I go by Jenova DEATH, which is easily within that range. GG.

Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs. Valeria (Suikos) - Valeria doesn't OHKO with a normal Falcon! Too bad that a Falcon crit OHKOs Yulie, Protect or no Protect, and Yulie just can't kill Valeria before the crit kicks in. EDIT: This is S2 Valeria I'm going by, by the way. S1 Valeria is a distinct ballpark.

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Zylo (ShF) vs. Connie (S3) - Connie.
Jelanda Artolia (VP) vs. Gogo (FF6) - VP mage.
Gremio (S1) vs. Hix (Suikos) - Gremio.
Augst Henriksen (WA4) vs. Kent (FE7) - Augst.
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2008, 05:30:21 AM »
Godlike

Kefka Palazzo (FF6) vs. Lugia (PKMN)- Kefka
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs. Zeromus (FF4)- Jessica?
Fujin (FF8) vs. Vandesdelca Musto Fende (TotA)- Van
Cecilia Lyne Adlehyde (WA) vs. Dhaos (ToP)- Cecilia

Heavy

Anastasia Valeria (WA2) vs. Eirika (FE8)- Ana is kind of a headache to me, since I can see allowing some ally FP.
Strago Magus (FF6) vs. Alfina de Pamela (G3)- Alfina. Faster, Stun Force, kill undurable enemy
Antenora (WA2) vs. Angelo (DQ8)- Antenora. Best damage having status attached helps a lot (And durability against Angelo help a lot)
Bowie (ShF2) vs. Jenova (FFV7)- Jenova. Lots of shiny forms.

Middle

Margulis (XSs) vs. Rena Lanford (SO2)- Margulis
Jennifer (Dis) vs. Meganium (PKMN)- Meganium. Disgaea vs healing
Keneth (S4) vs. Genis Sage (ToS)- Keneth. Genis fails at the one thing ToS PCs are good with, elemental resists.
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs. Valeria (Suikos)- Unsure. Valeria is slightly faster (-0.5 SD though), and may OHKO.

Light

Zylo (ShF) vs. Connie (S3)- Zylo
Jelanda Artolia (VP) vs. Gogo (FF6)- Gogo (Yeah, I although him to get other stuff. If I find Anatasia and FP kind of borderline...)
Gremio (S1) vs. Hix (Suikos)- Hix
Augst Henriksen (WA4) vs. Kent (FE7)- Kent
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2008, 05:37:42 AM »
Godlike

Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs. Zeromus (FF4)- Jess can't tension here, she can't blitz with Magic Burst, and she can't really outlast or outslug either. I'm not sure how she wins this? She really doesn't like fights she can't end fast with Magic burst.
Fujin (FF8) vs. Vandesdelca Musto Fende (TotA)- ...Yeaaaaaaaaah.

Heavy

Anastasia Valeria (WA2) vs. Eirika (FE8)- Not buying Impulse hype today.
Strago Magus (FF6) vs. Alfina de Pamela (G3)- Spoils.
Antenora (WA2) vs. Angelo (DQ8)- Leaning Antenora. Anyone have an argument?
Bowie (ShF2) vs. Jenova (FFV7)- Jenova sucks.

Middle

Margulis (XSs) vs. Rena Lanford (SO2)- Margulis is going to stomp Middle.
Keneth (S4) vs. Genis Sage (ToS)- Haha, Genis in Middle. Played enough of the game to know how this goes.
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs. Valeria (Suikos)- Yulie defense.

Light

Zylo (ShF) vs. Connie (S3)
Jelanda Artolia (VP) vs. Gogo (FF6)
Gremio (S1) vs. Hix (Suikos)
Augst Henriksen (WA4) vs. Kent (FE7)
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2008, 05:40:19 AM »
Godlike

Kefka Palazzo (FF6) vs. Lugia (PKMN)
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs. Zeromus (FF4)
Fujin (FF8) vs. Vandesdelca Musto Fende (TotA)

Heavy

Strago Magus (FF6) vs. Alfina de Pamela (G3): Even if she weren't faster the status immunity would kill Strago anyway.

Middle

Margulis (XSs) vs. Rena Lanford (SO2): At worst he's guaranteed Acala Seal.
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs. Valeria (Suikos): OHKOs

Light

Zylo (ShF) vs. Connie (S3): Eh, she's puny, but... not quite THAT puny.
Jelanda Artolia (VP) vs. Gogo (FF6)
Gremio (S1) vs. Hix (Suikos)
Augst Henriksen (WA4) vs. Kent (FE7)

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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2008, 06:01:47 AM »
Zylo (ShF) vs. Connie (S3): Eh, she's puny, but... not quite THAT puny.

Connie is bordered OKHO by average physical damage, and has an 11HKO...before considering her shiteous accuracy. She is that puny.
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2008, 06:10:59 AM »
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Cecilia Lyne Adlehyde (WA) vs. Dhaos (ToP): Meh. Could vote on if I speed through ToP.

Heavy

Anastasia Valeria (WA2) vs. Eirika (FE8):
The only way I see Ana winning is if she can double Impulse. However, I hold Ana towards the FP value of Impulse (25), and between when you control her, and the end of her dungeon, only massive amounts of time can give her Level 50, and given that she's only temp, not many people would stay there long enough for that, which means she gets one, and fails to take out Eirika. As for conventional damage...yeah.

Middle

Jennifer (Dis) vs. Meganium (PKMN): Healing. Also a tank.
Keneth (S4) vs. Genis Sage (ToS): Elements. Also, as much as Genis knows Magic, hello charge times.
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs. Valeria (Suikos): (bleep)

Light

Zylo (ShF) vs. Connie (S3): Suikodog vs not a Suikodog. Zylo's attack is, in my mind, a OHKO with no question.
Gremio (S1) vs. Hix (Suikos): Kneejerk. My Hix respect is fairly minor, but better than Gremio.
Augst Henriksen (WA4) vs. Kent (FE7): It's AUGST.
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2008, 06:20:43 AM »
Godlike

Kefka Palazzo (FF6) vs. Lugia (PKMN) - Poor Lugia.
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs. Zeromus (FF4) - Not sure here. Leaning Jess via innate Zeromus disrespect? But not sure.
Fujin (FF8) vs. Vandesdelca Musto Fende (TotA) - No vote, but fujin gets splattered.
Cecilia Lyne Adlehyde (WA) vs. Dhaos (ToP) - Isn't she one of the worst possible people for Dhaos to draw?

Heavy

Anastasia Valeria (WA2) vs. Eirika (FE8) - Kills before Ana can really get anything going.
Strago Magus (FF6) vs. Alfina de Pamela (G3) - Status immunity is not Strago's freind.
Antenora (WA2) vs. Angelo (DQ8) - Eh, see Dhyer, basically.
Bowie (ShF2) vs. Jenova (FF7) - Yeah. Jenova like my formchoice stance.

Middle

Margulis (XSs) vs. Rena Lanford (SO2) - Need to doublecheck if XS1 Margulis wins this. think he does, though.
Jennifer (Dis) vs. Meganium (PKMN) - Dis vs Healer sums it up, yeah.
Keneth (S4) vs. Genis Sage (ToS) - Too much damage for Genis to keep up with.
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs. Valeria (Suikos) - See Snow. S2 Val Falcon crit will kill right through protect even with Yulie at full HP.

Light

Zylo (ShF) vs. Connie (S3) - Zylo sucks, but...he's not Suikodog bad.
Jelanda Artolia (VP) vs. Gogo (FF6) - I allow Gogo skills. Boom.
Gremio (S1) vs. Hix (Suikos) - Outslugs.
Augst Henriksen (WA4) vs. Kent (FE7) - It's Augst.
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2008, 06:29:17 AM »
Selected notes:

Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs. Zeromus (FF4) - Hmm...  I can see why some people would want to throw out the prelude fight with Zeromus, and it's not actually relevant most of the time, but since Jessica comes from a game with the same mechanic ("use an item to unseal the real final boss,") it seems more reasonable here.  Even when it's allowed, it's normally not a big deal due to Black Hole, but it is a wasted turn for Zeromus.  Anyway, if you allow the warm-up fight, Jessica tenses to 100, then casts the mother of all Accelerates (yes, it counts Tension too).  She tenses back to 100, starts the real fight, and at this point she should be fast enough (something like 400% average speed?) such that she'll go before Zeromus can Black Hole it away.  (If she has trouble hitting 100 and the Accelerate expires, just re-cast Accelerate from 100 and try again.  It's not like MP is a problem with the Staff regenerating MP every round to get back to full.)

It's still somewhat close with no prelude battle.  Jessica is harmed by the fact that she can't use Kaboom without triggering a Flare counter (and Twin Dragon Lash would reduce her max MP), but I think she does have one turn to play with before Magic Burst (Zeromus uses either Shake->Big Bang->Virus or Virus x3, and Jessica is fast enough that she should get in two turns edgewise).  So a Thin Air Attack, I guess.  Magic Burst is 1.53 PCHP damage, Thin Air is .18 PCHP damage, for ~1.71 PCHP total (This is ignoring Dragon Soul, mind.).  I don't think that's quite enough (Zeromus is around 1.8 PCHP-2.0 to me?), but I allow the prelude fight anyway, and someone with less Zeromus HP respect (giving Cecil the Crystal Sword rather than the Excalibur for example) could reasonably call it for Jessica.

Great fight though.

Margulis (XSs) vs. Rena Lanford (SO2) - Amusing note of fail: The clones, if you could do average damage that was all holy, are pretty much OHKOed in game.  Which means that in the DL, they get OHKOed by 1/3 average damage (if holy).  Rena's Star Flare is apparently 1/5 average damage or so.  Which means... there's a serious possibility a clone might survive Star Flare and Medica Margulis, which means that Rena could literally never win.  Anyway, assuming that the clones are OHKOed by Star Flare, Margulis still has all the time in the world to build up to 3 Boost and unleash a 4-hit chain with the final 3 hits coming while Rena is Down and taking double damage.  Yeah, only Godlikes stand a chance of surviving that.

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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2008, 07:12:44 AM »
Godlike

Kefka Palazzo (FF6) vs. Lugia (PKMN): ;_; indeed.
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs. Zeromus (FF4): Yeah, think Super is correct.
Fujin (FF8) vs. Vandesdelca Musto Fende (TotA): Not especially close!

Heavy

Anastasia Valeria (WA2) vs. Eirika (FE8): I have high Impulse respect, but Eirika can still chip (SLIM SWORD? Or, more likely, something like a Steel Blade to stop herself from doubling?) then kill. No Quicken hype first turn. So probably Eirika. Anyone who respects Impulse less than me should not have this as a close match at all.
Strago Magus (FF6) vs. Alfina de Pamela (G3): Immune to his tricks, not immune to hers.
Antenora (WA2) vs. Angelo (DQ8): Damn, rough draw. Think Ephemeron's status gets to him nicely, though.
Bowie (ShF2) vs. Jenova (FF7): Death's pretty good. I'm not inclined to consider Synthesis for multiple reasons.

Middle

Margulis (XSs) vs. Rena Lanford (SO2): UZUKI!!!
Jennifer (Dis) vs. Meganium (PKMN)
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs. Valeria (Suikos): Think Snow has it. Falcon crit OHKOs. Valeria may well be fast enough to not be instant doubled by the haste-heal, and that would be the end. But even if she is... yeah, constant 2HKOing with a turn 5 crit is too much for Yulie to handle.

Light

Zylo (ShF) vs. Connie (S3): Massive fail-off.
Jelanda Artolia (VP) vs. Gogo (FF6): Ugh. See above.
Gremio (S1) vs. Hix (Suikos): The only remotely competent person in the field...
Augst Henriksen (WA4) vs. Kent (FE7): Besides this guy. Well, Operation Mimic Forde is underway!

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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2008, 07:59:04 AM »
Godlike

Kefka Palazzo (FF6) vs. Lugia (PKMN) - Closer to me than to everyone else, but Lugia needed full healing bad. 50% won't do it.
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs. Zeromus (FF4) - Isn't killed by Magic Burst, can status her out?

Heavy

Anastasia Valeria (WA2) vs. Eirika (FE8) - Vote on 20/20 FE8. The resultant stat shift is enough against Eirika's offense that I can't see her winning here, I don't think? Also helps that I have a lot of Impulse respect... in that after Anastasia survives a hit, she's pretty much got easy OHKO against Eirika defense/HP.
Antenora (WA2) vs. Angelo (DQ8) - I... think? Though he loses next round if I force him to Swords here, which I think he needs to kill Antenora quick enough. So eh whatever.
Bowie (ShF2) vs. Jenova (FF7) - Smash.

Middle

Jennifer (Dis) vs. Meganium (PKMN) - Uuuuuuuum.
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs. Valeria (Suikos) - S1 Valeria... wasn't good enough. I think.

Light

Jelanda Artolia (VP) vs. Gogo (FF6) - Can access Celes/Edgar/Setzer skillsets for me. Tools are enough, here.
Gremio (S1) vs. Hix (Suikos)
Augst Henriksen (WA4) vs. Kent (FE7) - DAMNIT KENT.

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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2008, 08:29:27 AM »
Godlike

Kefka Palazzo (FF6) vs. Lugia (PKMN) - Kefka is such a lamer. ;_;
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs. Zeromus (FF4) - So is Zeromus.
Fujin (FF8) vs. Vandesdelca Musto Fende (TotA) - Van is cool though.

Heavy

Fails.

Middle

Jennifer (Dis) vs. Meganium (PKMN) - Middle is far less lame than usual.
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs. Valeria (Suikos) - YES.

Light

Zylo (ShF) vs. Connie (S3) - Doggies~
Gremio (S1) vs. Hix (Suikos) - He doesn't win the sexy contest though.
Augst Henriksen (WA4) vs. Kent (FE7) - Kent doesn't have Pursuit! He can't double and Augst clearly counters to death~! *spins away~*
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2008, 08:30:59 AM »
Godlike

Kefka Palazzo (FF6) vs. Lugia (PKMN) - Easy enough.
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs. Zeromus (FF4) - Ouch.
Fujin (FF8) vs. Vandesdelca Musto Fende (TotA) - Correction to above. OUCH.
Cecilia Lyne Adlehyde (WA) vs. Dhaos (ToP) - Talk about evil draws in Godlike. Jessica gets ZEROMUS, Fujin draws beardie and Dhaos gets freaking Cecilia.

EDIT: Looking back at the match now, Dhaos.... had OMGWTFBBQ movespeed in-game.(Although, he wasn't immune to stat busts I think. Acid Rain hits him as I recall.)
I judge Tales character's speed by their movespeed, so I am definitely inclined to see him going first, and immediately threatening her with a Tetra Assault or Para Triangle.
I don't think she can block both stone and stun without Status Lock, then that's it. Dhaos gets a free turn to smite her if she's stunned, and ToP stone is Game Over.
I don't think Cecilia can take that much of a beating without Shield up, seeing as her Defense.... is gameworst, by far.

Heavy

Anastasia Valeria (WA2) vs. Eirika (FE8)
Strago Magus (FF6) vs. Alfina de Pamela (G3) - It's Alfina.
Antenora (WA2) vs. Angelo (DQ8) - Awwwwww....

Middle

Margulis (XSs) vs. Rena Lanford (SO2)
Jennifer (Dis) vs. Meganium (PKMN)
Keneth (S4) vs. Genis Sage (ToS) - Kenneth wasn't that slow as I recall. Genis, on the other hand, looking at his movespeed, is INCREDIBLY slow.
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs. Valeria (Suikos) - S1 Val....

Light

Jelanda Artolia (VP) vs. Gogo (FF6) - What I said about Godlike being evil? This takes the cake.
Gremio (S1) vs. Hix (Suikos)
« Last Edit: June 28, 2008, 08:54:38 AM by muakaka »

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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2008, 09:21:30 AM »
Godlike

Kefka Palazzo (FF6) vs. Lugia (PKMN) - I'm so, so sorry.
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs. Zeromus (FF4) - Gives me a headache. I'm inclined to lean towards Zeromus, though, since Jess doesn't really have the best durability in the world to outlast the dude.
Fujin (FF8) vs. Vandesdelca Musto Fende (TotA) - Doesn't Fujin like... Uh... get killed pretty badly by that?
Cecilia Lyne Adlehyde (WA) vs. Dhaos (ToP) - Can't decide how to interpret Tales of... Speed for a case like this. Anyway, it seems that... urp. Goddamn this is a headache for me. Yeah, I'm not going to bother.

Heavy

Anastasia Valeria (WA2) vs. Eirika (FE8) - ...
Strago Magus (FF6) vs. Alfina de Pamela (G3) - Ruins the other one really bad.
Antenora (WA2) vs. Angelo (DQ8) - I'm sorry.
Bowie (ShF2) vs. Jenova (FF7) - Can't vote.

Middle

Margulis (XSs) vs. Rena Lanford (SO2) - I think this one is a clear slaughter.
Jennifer (Dis) vs. Meganium (PKMN)
Keneth (S4) vs. Genis Sage (ToS) - I don't think speed is an issue at all here, Genis isn't durable enough to keep up with the damage, and his spells have charge time, and that's really his only form of damage.
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs. Valeria (Suikos) - Splat.

Light

Zylo (ShF) vs. Connie (S3) - Can't vote.
Jelanda Artolia (VP) vs. Gogo (FF6) - I think Gogo is fine with his skills. It's a slaughter.
Gremio (S1) vs. Hix (Suikos) - I have more respect for Hix damage. But I still think Hix is a nobody.
Augst Henriksen (WA4) vs. Kent (FE7) - *insert laughter here*
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2008, 09:29:53 AM »
I judge Tales character's speed by their movespeed, so I am definitely inclined to see him going first, and immediately threatening her with a Tetra Assault or Para Triangle.
I don't think she can block both stone and stun without Status Lock, then that's it. Dhaos gets a free turn to smite her if she's stunned, and ToP stone is Game Over.
I don't think Cecilia can take that much of a beating without Shield up, seeing as her Defense.... is gameworst, by far.

Doesn't matter if Dhaos goes first, and his speed is hardly awesome (he... was about as fast as running Cless? Yeah, not seeing the zomg vibe here). Stun fails epically as a DL status, it lasts basically no time at all, and both Tetra Assault and Para Triangle are on the inaccurate side and are not very fast attacks. Cecilia's defense also kinda fails to matter, WA1 defense is an ineffectual stat. I even do agree with Cecilia being 2HKOed, it just fails to matter. Cecilia can just cast Quicken and lap Dhaos and stall her way to victory. And every hit he connects is building her FP for Raftina/Dual Cast abuse.
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2008, 09:40:29 AM »
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cast Quicken and lap Dhaos

You don't have to be very fast to avoid that working on you. It takes like 110% speed. I haven't played ToP so I don't know if Dhaos qualifies to break that... well, obviously he does to muakaka, since that's not a hard threshhold to break.

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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2008, 10:01:33 AM »
With WA1 speed spread and SD? Not that likely, even taking TB speed literally, it takes more than 110% to avoid lapping. Cecilia hits 3.6 SDs above average with a single casting of Quicken, which, by the harshest views, should make her 150% average speed. Unless you allow the cast to equip the Runes in Gourry's topic, which is ehhhhhhh. Although maybe I should have pointed out that she could just cast Hide instead, removing the threat. The stun hype attack isn't ITE nor magical, and Tetra Assault is hilariously inaccurate.
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2008, 10:05:47 AM »
OK, might as well ask, since it's becoming a topic of contest in Yulie/Valeria. How do the two forms (S1 Val and S2 Val)  fare? I ask because it could sway my vote: I've only prominently used the S1 Valeria. I used S2 about...one time?

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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2008, 10:09:56 AM »
Valeria 1 is arguably a bit slower than Yulie, which actually might let her win, since Valeria 1 doesn't OHKO Yulie after Protect. On the other hand, she OHKOs Yulie outright before it, so, if you see Val going first anyhow, she wins regardless.
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2008, 10:44:16 AM »

Doesn't matter if Dhaos goes first, and his speed is hardly awesome (he... was about as fast as running Cless? Yeah, not seeing the zomg vibe here). Stun fails epically as a DL status, it lasts basically no time at all, and both Tetra Assault and Para Triangle are on the inaccurate side and are not very fast attacks. Cecilia's defense also kinda fails to matter, WA1 defense is an ineffectual stat. I even do agree with Cecilia being 2HKOed, it just fails to matter. Cecilia can just cast Quicken and lap Dhaos and stall her way to victory. And every hit he connects is building her FP for Raftina/Dual Cast abuse.

I'd like to quote this from the stat topic :
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he also walks about the field faster than hasted Cless
Cless is fastest in ToP, since Suzu isn't in the picture yet. Haste, notably, DOUBLES ally movespeed. Dhaos is freaking faster than that.
He dashes across the screen a lot, I remember this particularly well because no matter WHAT, I could never chase him before he went and butcher Klarth in the back.
If you count his warps, then he's even crazier.

Stun is pretty pathetic for casters, yes. You may not cast a spell fast enough before the stun wears off.
The crew's only reliable form of stun is in Pow Hammer, which DOES suck. The enemy gets stunned, for, what, 2 seconds?
However.... Dhaos' stun lasts for anywhere between 4-5 seconds, and that's more than enough time for him to ram a Tetra Assault(Or Meteor Storm) to his enemy's face.

I kind of noticed how brutal his stun was when I replayed the game, and instead of backing him to a corner and lock him in an infinite combo(Easily done, thanks to not-well-thought-out-gameplay), I decided to let him show himself off.
BAD. IDEA.
Stunned Cress and Mint, then he apparently thought spamming Dhaos Corridor on Arche and Klarth was a fun thing to do.

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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2008, 01:06:13 PM »
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Cecilia hits 3.6 SDs above average with a single casting of Quicken

1.4 actually

Her speed after 1 quicken, is exactly the same as Jack's speed. Unless you're telling me Jack is 150 speed under the harshest interps...

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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2008, 02:08:52 PM »
Bwahahahaha Tetra Assault hype. The first attack knocks the target out of range of the other three, so it is just the equivalent of his physical.

Dhaos' stun is not nearly that impressive. It doesn't really last long enough for him to do anything but another basic physical. Its ALSO not turn 1. His physical is only a turn 1 status option if the enemy is vulnerable to both stone and stun. Since Ceci is blocking Stone...

Dhaos' speed can be debated, but his movement speed isn't what you should use for it here.

And I wouldn't use OK's Dhaos stats. From the boss section of the topic...

Dhaos 3:
HP: 56000
Damage taken from physicals: 68% (40% taken against unbuffed/whole party)
Nulls Lightning, Water/Ice, Dark, Light, Earth, Fire, Shadow, and Wind (All ToP elements). Halves Non-elemental.
Note: Immediately regens all physical damage done to him until 75% HP, then regens half until 50% HP.

Skills:
Dhaos Laser: 1250 Non-elemental magic damage.
Dhaos Corridor: 2400 Non-elemental magic damage, MT. Stupidly fast.
Physical: 1200, 45% chance of petrification, 45% chance of stun.
Tetra-Spell: 4 random low-end spells, about 1600 average damage.
Tetra Assault: his physical 4 times. The first hit knocks you back pretty hard, so this can only connect when the opponent is pinned.
Para-Triangle: Stuns opponent, 75%
Stone Wall: 600 Earth damage
Meteor Storm: 6050 non-elemental magic damage.
Delay: Lowers walking speed.

Party stats:
Average HP: 8080
Average damage: 6416
Cless' buffed Earth's Rage: 18000
Klarth's Origin: 4500
Arche's Meteor Storm: 5500
Mint's Staff whack: 80
Chester's Valkyried attack: 4000

If you want to hype his speed, hype Dhaos Corridor. Otherwise, meh.
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2008, 03:25:25 PM »
Godlike

Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs. Zeromus (FF4)
Black Hole kills anything Jess can hope to get going.
Fujin (FF8) vs. Vandesdelca Musto Fende (TotA)
Splat.
Cecilia Lyne Adlehyde (WA) vs. Dhaos (ToP)
I don't allow the stone blocker. Cecilia really wishes that were a spell.

Heavy

Anastasia Valeria (WA2) vs. Eirika (FE8)
Exactly Eirika's kind of fight.
Antenora (WA2) vs. Angelo (DQ8)
Status blitz.
Bowie (ShF2) vs. Jenova (FF7P
Poor Bowie. One shot of Bolt4 isn't making this any better.

Middle

Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs. Valeria (Suikos)
Good physical damage vs. Yulie. Kersplat.

Light

Jelanda Artolia (VP) vs. Gogo (FF6)
I give Gogo Tools, Runic and Slots. Runic works with Man Eater. Runic slaughters VP mages.
Gremio (S1) vs. Hix (Suikos)
So very not caring enough to vote.
Augst Henriksen (WA4) vs. Kent (FE7)
....oh god my brain.
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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2008, 03:26:53 PM »
Bwahahahaha Tetra Assault hype. The first attack knocks the target out of range of the other three, so it is just the equivalent of his physical.

Dhaos' stun is not nearly that impressive. It doesn't realy last olong enough for him to do anything but another basic physical. Its ALSO not turn 1. His physical is only a turn 1 status option if the enemy is vulnerable to both stone and stun. Since Ceci is blocking Stone...

Dhaos' speed can be debated, but his movement speed isn't what you should use for it here.

I'm under the impression that if an attack's accuracy depends on positioning rather than size, I'd give the skill it's presumed accuracy.
My memory isn't good enough to remember whether Tetra Assault works that way when cornering a target, so I'll leave it at that, and will assume he uses his much-less-spectacular Dhaos Corridor to replace Tetra Assault.

If status isn't an option, Dhaos could always go for damage, as he's got a solid 2HKO before she gets her game going.(Meteor Storm. It hurts.)
Then Cecilia is heal-locked(with an occasional Raftina), and Dhaos waits for his eventual double turn to smite. She's not gonna want to try anything else, cause she probably can't survive the next attack.
Anti Magic wouldn't save her from a Dhaos Corridor, or Tetra Spell gets rid of that(Though it wouldn't kill....). Hide gets another Meteor Storm coming.

I do agree that we...probably shouldn't use his movement speed to determine his action speed, in this case.
If not, he'd be FASTER THAN BELIAL.
But, I've always judged Tales of... characters action speed by their movespeed, so unless someone can come up with something, I'm taking it as he doubles Cecilia often?(Should be always doubling if I DID see him as Belial-speed, but I'm giving Cecilia a little leeway here.)

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Party stats:
Average HP: 8080
Average damage: 6416
Cless' buffed Earth's Rage: 18000
Klarth's Origin: 4500
Arche's Meteor Storm: 5500
Mint's Staff whack: 80
Chester's Valkyried attack: 4000

If you want to hype his speed, hype Dhaos Corridor. Otherwise, meh.
The HP is crazy, but most people don't allow Black Onyx on everyone and buffed damage, so I think I'll be following OK's stats for PC averages.

Thanks for clearing the fact about Tetra Assault, but I don't think Dhaos needs it.
Meteor Swarm + Dhaos Corridor SHOULD be enough to take down Cecilia.
Speedy and brutal.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2008, 03:41:12 PM by muakaka »

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Re: Season 44, Week 1 - Hix vs. Gremio Speedo Surprise in Light! *SHOT.*
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2008, 04:35:33 PM »
Heavy

Strago Magus (FF6) vs. Alfina de Pamela (G3) - Stun Force, rape with Armageddon or Oracle Staff.
Bowie (ShF2) vs. Jenova (FF7) - Stop.  Or Silence.  Or Reflect.  Or...uh, fuck.  Bowie's screwed no matter which non-SYNTHESIS form is there.

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Zylo (ShF) vs. Connie (S3) - !dog
Augst Henriksen (WA4) vs. Kent (FE7) - !augst
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 <@Elecman> Seems reasonable.