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So which one are you voting for, huh?!

John McCain
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Barack Obama
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Third Party/Misc
3 (9.4%)
Unsure
3 (9.4%)
Not voting
2 (6.3%)

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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #75 on: September 02, 2008, 04:02:03 PM »
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #76 on: September 02, 2008, 04:15:52 PM »
Man, I stop checking the news for one weekend and all kinds of hilarious shit happens. Maybe picking a total unknown for high office without checking out her background first or talking to her twice was a bad idea?
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #77 on: September 02, 2008, 06:16:35 PM »
Do you see?  This is what legalising abortion brings the world to with its filthy disgusting morals.  No longer can people go to a reputable illegal abortionist to keep everything quiet.  It puts good people out of jobs and leaves a paper trail.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't abortion clinics under the strictest of confidentiality/privacy agreements?  I'm fairly sure you can't go to an abortion clinic and ask for a list of names of all attendees.  The 1973 US supreme court ruling for abortion was all about privacy, after all (there were legal abortions before 1973, but they required doctor referrals and stuff).

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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #78 on: September 02, 2008, 06:38:54 PM »
Oh, one thing that hasn't been mentioned here: Palin is apparently a former member of a political party organized specifically to call a vote on the idea of Alaska's secession from the United States, whose founder described himself as anti-American, and was sending them messages of support as late as earlier this year.

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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #79 on: September 02, 2008, 06:56:39 PM »
Oh, one thing that hasn't been mentioned here: Palin is apparently a former member of a political party organized specifically to call a vote on the idea of Alaska's secession from the United States, whose founder described himself as anti-American, and was sending them messages of support as late as earlier this year.

Hi-fucking-larious.

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That's beyond amusing.

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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #80 on: September 02, 2008, 07:07:47 PM »
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/the_alaska_independence_party.php

Complete with the video she recorded for their convention this year.
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #81 on: September 02, 2008, 08:44:30 PM »
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html

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Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

This is just awe-inspiring.
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #82 on: September 02, 2008, 08:58:49 PM »
All this and there's still no chance in hell I'm voting for the libs this fall. Pathetic.
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #83 on: September 02, 2008, 10:06:13 PM »
Do you see?  This is what legalising abortion brings the world to with its filthy disgusting morals.  No longer can people go to a reputable illegal abortionist to keep everything quiet.  It puts good people out of jobs and leaves a paper trail.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't abortion clinics under the strictest of confidentiality/privacy agreements?  I'm fairly sure you can't go to an abortion clinic and ask for a list of names of all attendees.  The 1973 US supreme court ruling for abortion was all about privacy, after all (there were legal abortions before 1973, but they required doctor referrals and stuff).

My sarcasm cares nothing for your fancy Truths and Reality.

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http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html

Quote from: Time Magazine
Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

This is just awe-inspiring.

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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #84 on: September 02, 2008, 11:18:36 PM »
All this and there's still no chance in hell I'm voting for the libs this fall. Pathetic.
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #85 on: September 02, 2008, 11:34:32 PM »
What's so sad about it?

Kinda curious, because mindless bitching about all the options is one of the best ways to willfully remain uninformed about politics.

Personally, since I don't think I've said my piece in this topic yet, proper: I'm actually more excited about the candidates in this election than I can recall for a while, although McCain's poor VP choice has put a slight damper on that for me. (I'd normally cut McCain some slack, here, as I fully understand VPs are typically chosen to balance the ticket, but the reality is his 72, and unfair or not, his VP matters more than most.) It's enough to get me to lean notably towards Obama, not that I can vote obviously. Lacking the psyduck social conservatism is always a help (though ultimately minor, since those issues seem to be used more for sabre-rattling than put into practice. Usually), but generally I am happier with Obama's stance on energy issues. Avoiding pointless drilling + hey it's okay to support nuclear despite being left-wing is pretty much the best I can hope for from an electable politician.

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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #86 on: September 03, 2008, 01:52:00 AM »
I'll agree that I like Obama's pro nuclear stance. A lot. In fact, it's the one thing I especially like about him. Mostly just annoyed by the circus around this election more than most others, though maybe that's just me?
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #87 on: September 03, 2008, 02:17:22 AM »
I don't see this election as especially more circusy than the two before it. (I paid less attention to foreign politics before then.) Does seem to be a general trend of these things, though.

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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #88 on: September 03, 2008, 03:12:11 AM »
If anything this election feels less circus-y than last election.  For the most part, candidates are actually talking about the issues instead of how many purple hearts they've won.  There really hasn't been much mudslinging--McCain's called Obama a "celebrity" and "inexperienced", but when it comes right down to it these are pretty tame as far as insults go, and frankly not inaccurate.

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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #89 on: September 03, 2008, 04:14:19 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Lieberman#2008_Presidential_Election
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ABC News reported that Lieberman was McCain's first choice for Vice President until several days before the selection, when McCain had decided that picking Lieberman would alienate the conservative base of the Republican Party (McCain instead chose Alaska Governor Sarah Palin).[127]

Damn it, Lieberman would have been all kinds of awesome.

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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #90 on: September 03, 2008, 08:42:02 AM »
The realities of Nuclear coming onto the table again is something that is even coming up here in Aus with the leftist side as a grim probable reality to at least consider.  It is something I consider a general pro rather than a con for people to at least be willing to consider it on the left these days even.

There has been some drama about it recently, but that is an aside to the current topic, but just saying the US Left looking into it is not a terribly shocking stance to take.
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #91 on: September 06, 2008, 03:31:17 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAWBPVzNCkg
(6-part McCain speech from yesterday).

I actually like much of what he said; he was also kinda oozing a vibe of "I really wanted to pick Lieberan since this speech would make much more sense with him."  I wouldn't expect a Republican candidate to talk about hybrid cars, use the line "I hate war", and talk about taking on big cigarette interest groups.

What troubles me is that his speech seems really misinformed when it comes to Obama and his policies.  As has been brought up in this topic, Obama supports Nuclear Power--not according to McCain.  Socialized health care doesn't add a beaurocrat between you and your doctor, it removes the beaurocrat between you and your doctor (fuck you, insurance companies).  And so on for basically every "Obama policy".

Granted, I wasn't a fan of Obama saying "McCain = Bush 2.0" either (although the math nerd in me at least likes that he backed up this claim with statistics, but it still doesn't seem remotely accurate).
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #92 on: September 09, 2008, 12:59:32 AM »
"Misinformed?"  It's a political speech, read off a teleprompter.  Deliberately misleading is more like it.  Neither candidate was all that accurate in their speeches, though by my reckoning (fueled by the thoroughly nonpartisan factcheck.org), Obama was somewhat more accurate.  In any case, speeches should only be a reflection of what a candidate wants to emphasize, not what their actual policies are.  Obama, for instance, said he'd balance the budget mostly by closing corporate tax loopholes & tax havens, but in reality most of the money comes from greatly increasing taxes on the wealthiest individuals ($250,000/yr is the lower threshhold).  Now, that shouldn't be too shocking; the majority of that increase is just from taking back Bush's tax cuts, so don't cry too hard for the rich, but make no mistake, soaking the top 5% is integral to Obama's fiscal policy.

I thought McCain's speech was really very good, which scares the hell out of me, frankly, because I don't want 30+ years of an activist conservative supreme court majority.  Couldn't stand Palin's speech, or her record for that matter.  Frankly, she's a hell of a lot closer to Bush than any of the Republican candidates were, and that scares the hell out of me.  McCain, I'd say more likely than not, would revert to his senatorial beliefs on Bush's tax cut, immigration, and the other things he's changed his position on, and that's a good thing in my book, but Palin?  Just about everything bad about Bush, with the exception of the silver-spoon upbringing, is bad about Palin.  Well, let me limit that to domestic policy, since she's still  blank slate on foreign affairs.
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #93 on: September 09, 2008, 08:50:46 AM »
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #94 on: September 10, 2008, 05:01:42 PM »
I'm voting for Obama though I'm not in full support of him. After reading a lot of his economic plans, I learned that he is literally just spewing bullshit out of his mouth and I cannot fathom any procedures that he would use to demand so much from companies. I particularly like the higher embargo taxes for companies who produce the majority of the products out of America, but realistically, that's just going raise consumer costs in the market, ultimately backfiring on his "afford-ability" undertones for middle America.

I like McCain, even though I'm not Republican, simply because I believe he supports the freedom of choice for abortions. But that won't ever get me to vote for him considering HIS voting history.

Also, I watched both the DNC and the RNC and was poorly pissed. Nothing important was EVER discussed (as usual, go figure). Also, I was particularly fed up with the RNC because the entire night's platform rested on degrading the democratic nominees and mindlessly repeating that McCain was a POW. It went absolutely no where. I wasn't particularly impressed by Palin's speech either.

This presidential campaign in general is dismal. I base my voting for Obama simply because I do not was a Republican in seat, if Obama is "shot" (Which I do not want or anything AT all), Biden is very good. I actually wish Biden went for the P instead of VP. I really truly think what would be effective for this next 4 (or 8 considering Americans have a knack for never voting for different candidates after 1 term and likes setting up dynasties) would be a president - economist. The economy/war (which encompasses natural resource planning, costs, etc) seems to be the biggest issue from many people I know and from the media's generalizations, and neither of the presidential nominees or VP nominees seem satisfactory.

I'd vote in another category, but it would be pretty useless.

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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #95 on: September 10, 2008, 05:37:25 PM »
John McCain is definetely not pro-choice.
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #96 on: September 10, 2008, 07:07:04 PM »
John McCain is definetely not pro-choice.

Indeed. Apparently a lot of people say they support him because he's pro-choice, which makes me wonder where this impression's coming from.

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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #97 on: September 10, 2008, 07:54:35 PM »
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #98 on: September 10, 2008, 09:45:53 PM »
John McCain is definetely not pro-choice.

Indeed. Apparently a lot of people say they support him because he's pro-choice, which makes me wonder where this impression's coming from.

Yeah, I wrote "I believe"'d he was pro-choice just because of all my conservative Republican friends saying that he was. So it was something that intrigued me and that I liked, but never researched. I just did since I have time between classes with nothing to do, and read one of his transcripts where he is actually quite anti-choice, said Roe v Wade should have never happened, etc. I guess him not supporting outer anti-choice groups or stating it clearly to the conservative people (but muddled in older transcripts) lead my friends to believe he was Pro. Oh well, I don't like McCain then. He's pro-stem cell research, only adult and not embryonic. Ehh, that's a little push further than Bush.
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Re: Who are you voting for come November?
« Reply #99 on: September 10, 2008, 10:09:00 PM »
John McCain is definetely not pro-choice.

Indeed. Apparently a lot of people say they support him because he's pro-choice, which makes me wonder where this impression's coming from.

Yeah, I wrote "I believe"'d he was pro-choice just because of all my conservative Republican friends saying that he was. So it was something that intrigued me and that I liked, but never researched. I just did since I have time between classes with nothing to do, and read one of his transcripts where he is actually quite anti-choice, said Roe v Wade should have never happened, etc. I guess him not supporting outer anti-choice groups or stating it clearly to the conservative people (but muddled in older transcripts) lead my friends to believe he was Pro. Oh well, I don't like McCain then. He's pro-stem cell research, only adult and not embryonic. Ehh, that's a little push further than Bush.

Let us all sit back and be shocked and awed that a political candidate lets a rumor perpetuate that they are for something highly controversial when they are against it just to try and get some sucker votes.

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