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Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« on: June 29, 2008, 07:54:58 PM »
More divisions to flood the board with!
Our Contestants
Dekar- Damage! Durability! Limit Healing! All to be feared. Less fearsome: His speed and status protection.
Nelis- Fast and Firey death, coupled with S5 equips.
Kresnik- A remix on the Haste-Healer with a few extra defensive tricks.
Eiko- Even more elemental protections than Nelis!
Beowulf- Will he never manage to upgrade?
Carol- Is ITD Draining with a 100 FP limit enough to overpower Middle?
Ayne- Giant axe to the face.

The Matches
Dekar   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Dekar   vs   Cecil
Dekar   vs   Dart (LoD)
Dekar   vs   Richard (S5)
Dekar   vs   Yuiri
Dekar   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Dekar   vs   White Wizard
Dekar   vs   Red 13
Dekar   vs   Kyle (L1)
Dekar   vs   Pahn
Dekar   vs   Salome (S3)
Dekar   vs   Alef (SF 1)
      
Nelis   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Nelis   vs   Cecil
Nelis   vs   Dart (LoD)
Nelis   vs   Richard (S5)
Nelis   vs   Yuiri
Nelis   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Nelis   vs   White Wizard
Nelis   vs   Red 13
Nelis   vs   Kyle (L1)
Nelis   vs   Pahn
Nelis   vs   Salome (S3)
Nelis   vs   Alef (SF 1)
      
Kresnik   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Kresnik   vs   Cecil
Kresnik   vs   Dart (LoD)
Kresnik   vs   Richard (S5)
Kresnik   vs   Yuiri
Kresnik   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Kresnik   vs   White Wizard
Kresnik   vs   Red 13
Kresnik   vs   Kyle (L1)
Kresnik   vs   Pahn
Kresnik   vs   Salome (S3)
Kresnik   vs   Alef (SF 1)
      
Eiko   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Eiko   vs   Cecil
Eiko   vs   Dart (LoD)
Eiko   vs   Richard (S5)
Eiko   vs   Yuiri
Eiko   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Eiko   vs   White Wizard
Eiko   vs   Red 13
Eiko   vs   Kyle (L1)
Eiko   vs   Pahn
Eiko   vs   Salome (S3)
Eiko   vs   Alef (SF 1)
      
Beowulf   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Beowulf   vs   Cecil
Beowulf   vs   Dart (LoD)
Beowulf   vs   Richard (S5)
Beowulf   vs   Yuiri
Beowulf   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Beowulf   vs   White Wizard
Beowulf   vs   Red 13
Beowulf   vs   Kyle (L1)
Beowulf   vs   Pahn
Beowulf   vs   Salome (S3)
Beowulf   vs   Alef (SF 1)
      
Carol   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Carol   vs   Cecil
Carol   vs   Dart (LoD)
Carol   vs   Richard (S5)
Carol   vs   Yuiri
Carol   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Carol   vs   White Wizard
Carol   vs   Red 13
Carol   vs   Kyle (L1)
Carol   vs   Pahn
Carol   vs   Salome (S3)
Carol   vs   Alef (SF 1)
      
Ayne   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Ayne   vs   Cecil
Ayne   vs   Dart (LoD)
Ayne   vs   Richard (S5)
Ayne   vs   Yuiri
Ayne   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Ayne   vs   White Wizard
Ayne   vs   Red 13
Ayne   vs   Kyle (L1)
Ayne   vs   Pahn
Ayne   vs   Salome (S3)
Ayne   vs   Alef (SF 1)
...into the nightfall.

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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2008, 08:19:16 PM »
Dekar vs. Nina (BoF1) - Hold-locks.
Dekar vs. Cecil - Cecil pretty much sucks.
Dekar vs. Dart (LoD) - I guess Dart doesn't quite 2HKO here? Could be wrong.
Dekar vs. Yuiri - Funeral Wind.
Dekar vs. Alicia (VP2) - Alicia eats a OHKOing IP eventually? I think.
Dekar vs. White Wizard - Both this and the match below depend on whether Dekar can ignore evade.
Dekar vs. Red XIII - See above.
Dekar vs. Kyle (L1) - Has healing. Kyle doesn't.
Dekar vs. Pahn - lol pahn
Dekar vs. Salome (S3) - lol salome damage
Dekar vs. Alef (SF1) - Alef... I think she doesn't get OHKOed. And she goes first and 3-2s because Dekar fails at speed like Raquel. And her magic 2HKOs. So.

Kresnik vs. Nina (BoF1) - Um, yeah, Hold-lock at worst. Just has infinite resources vs. finite resources, and Kresnik sucks ass at applying pressure.
Kresnik vs. Cecil - Cecil sucks more at applying pressure than Kres.
Kresnik vs. Dart (LoD) - Yeah, Adrenaline Factor and being faster works here.
Kresnik vs. Yuiri - I'm thinking Kres has problems getting past Yuiri's notably superior offense.
Kresnik vs. Alicia (VP2) - Infinite healing vs. non-infinite.
Kresnik vs. White Wizard - Man, Lock-on hype. Incredible laughs.
Kresnik vs. Red XIII - Uh.
Kresnik vs. Kyle (L1) - Just too much of a speed difference after Adrenaline.
Kresnik vs. Pahn - Pahn.
Kresnik vs. Salome (S3) - Salome is pretty much a Light.
Kresnik vs. Alef (SF 1) - The MDef makes Alef emo.
     
Eiko vs. Nina (BoF 1) - Silence, game.
Eiko vs. Cecil - Look, ma, it's FF9 equips!
Eiko vs. Dart (LoD) - Faster, heal-locks with a physical.
Eiko vs. Yuiri - Yuiri 2HKOs Eiko and has WoS. That's that.
Eiko vs Alicia (VP2) - Eiko just has all the time in the world to land a status here.
Eiko vs. White Wizard - Damn.
Eiko vs. Red XIII - I guess she gets time to status here, although I'd need to see her statuses besides Jewel?
Eiko vs. Kyle (L1) - Being faster kinda clinches it here, I guess she can hold it out long enough.
Eiko vs. Pahn - Pahn.
Eiko vs. Salome (S3) - Eiko defends through SL and wins.
Eiko vs. Alef (SF 1) - More FF9 equipment shenanigans. The Middles in this pool underwhelm.
     
Beowulf vs. Nina (BoF1) - Nina casts Reflect! Beowulf cries.
Beowulf vs. Cecil - -Some- status gets through here.
Beowulf vs. Dart (LoD) - Dart lacks MDef and that's his ruin.
Beowulf vs. Yuiri - Beo blocks Death or dies here, which leaves him bait for WoS.
Beowulf vs. Alicia (VP2) - On the other hand, Beo loves Alicia's type.
Beowulf vs. White Wizard - WW gets to put up status protection! And Beowulf just proceeds to win with SHOCK HYPE. Fail.
Beowulf vs. Red XIII - More status.
Beowulf vs. Kyle (L1) - Yawn.
Beowulf vs. Pahn - Pahn.
Beowulf vs. Salome (S3) - I... guess? Salome's offense is just too damned horrible.
Beowulf vs. Alef (SF1) - FFT equips give their judgment here.
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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2008, 01:17:38 AM »
Dekar   vs   Nina (BoF 1) - Yeah, no.
Dekar   vs   Cecil
Dekar  vs   Dart (LoD)
Dekar   vs  Richard (S5) - I... think?
Dekar   vs   Yuiri
Dekar   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Dekar   vs   White Wizard
Dekar   vs   Red 13
Dekar   vs   Kyle (L1)
Dekar   vs   Pahn
Dekar   vs   Salome (S3)
Dekar   vs   Alef (SF 1)
     
Nelis   vs  Nina (BoF 1)
Nelis   vs   Cecil
Nelis   vs   Dart (LoD)
Nelis   vs   Richard (S5)
Nelis   vs   Yuiri
Nelis   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Nelis   vs   White Wizard
Nelis   vs   Red 13
Nelis   vs   Kyle (L1)
Nelis   vs   Pahn
Nelis   vs   Salome (S3)
Nelis   vs   Alef (SF 1)
     
Kresnik   vs   Nina (BoF 1) - Man, Hold or Idle just own this bunch, don't they?
Kresnik   vs   Cecil - I'll get back to you on the rest of these.
Kresnik   vs   Dart (LoD)
Kresnik   vs   Richard (S5)
Kresnik   vs   Yuiri
Kresnik   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Kresnik   vs   White Wizard
Kresnik   vs   Red 13
Kresnik   vs   Kyle (L1)
Kresnik   vs   Pahn
Kresnik   vs   Salome (S3)
Kresnik   vs   Alef (SF 1)
     
Eiko   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Eiko   vs   Cecil
Eiko   vs   Dart (LoD)
Eiko   vs   Richard (S5)
Eiko   vs   Yuiri
Eiko   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Eiko   vs   White Wizard
Eiko   vs   Red 13
Eiko   vs   Kyle (L1)
Eiko   vs   Pahn
Eiko  vs   Salome (S3)
Eiko   vs   Alef (SF 1)
     
Beowulf   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Beowulf   vs   Cecil
Beowulf   vs   Dart (LoD)
Beowulf   vs   Richard (S5)
Beowulf   vs  Yuiri
Beowulf   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Beowulf   vs   White Wizard
Beowulf   vs   Red 13
Beowulf  vs   Kyle (L1)
Beowulf   vs   Pahn
Beowulf   vs   Salome (S3)
Beowulf   vs  Alef (SF 1)

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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2008, 01:35:40 AM »
Dekar  vs   Nina (BoF 1)- Depends entirely if you see Hold reseting Dekar's turn bar, I think.
Dekar   vs   Cecil
Dekar   vs   Dart (LoD)
Dekar   vs   Richard (S5)- Dekar's not 2HKOed. Even with Swallow Rune respect. Richard meanwhile is definitely OHKOed by a buffed Holy Energy, and can't really do much to stop that from happening.
Dekar   vs   Yuiri
Dekar   vs   Alicia (VP2)- I'm not sure Alicia beats a single L2 PC.
Dekar   vs   White Wizard- I see IPs as evade ignoring. Horrible slaughter as is.
Dekar   vs   Red 13
Dekar   vs   Kyle (L1)
Dekar   vs   Pahn
Dekar   vs   Salome (S3)
Dekar   vs   Alef (SF 1)- The Alef I can vote on is awful. For the normal one, can't Dekar just use Tough Hide and outlast? Though.. I donno, maybe Desoul could do the trick there.
     
Nelis   vs   Nina (BoF 1)- Healing.
Nelis   vs   Cecil- Elemental.
Nelis   vs   Dart (LoD)- Elemental.
Nelis   vs   Richard (S5)- Elemental.
Nelis   vs   Yuiri- Healing/sleep. If she walls the sleep she runs into serious problems with Yuiri's physical not sucking.
Nelis   vs   Alicia (VP2)- Outlasts.
Nelis   vs   White Wizard- Outlasts. WW is good at tanking.
Nelis   vs   Red 13- Go first, 2HKO. Limit makes sure this is fatal.
Nelis   vs   Kyle (L1)- Kyle shouldn't 2HKO.
Nelis   vs   Pahn- Faster.
Nelis   vs   Salome (S3)- I think he outlasts. Good fight though.
Nelis   vs   Alef (SF 1)- Her magic resist is pretty obnoxious. She's also faster. Doubt her HP pulls her down here.
 
Kresnik   vs   Nina (BoF 1)- See the Dekar fight.
Kresnik   vs   Cecil- Charm Arrows. The fight is that pathetic.
Kresnik   vs   Dart (LoD)- Dart sucks.
Kresnik   vs   Richard (S5)- OHKO.
Kresnik   vs   Yuiri- I think.
Kresnik   vs   Alicia (VP2)- Infinite vs near infinite resources.
Kresnik   vs   White Wizard- Outlasts.
Kresnik   vs   Red 13- I don't remember how I voted on this orginially. Skip for now.
Kresnik   vs   Kyle (L1)
Kresnik   vs   Pahn
Kresnik   vs   Salome (S3)
Kresnik   vs   Alef (SF 1)
     
Eiko   vs   Nina (BoF 1)- Doubt Eiko has the resources to pull this off.
Eiko   vs   Cecil- Walling Holy destroys Cecil.
Eiko   vs   Dart (LoD)- Haste/healing works.
Eiko   vs   Richard (S5)- OHKO
Eiko   vs   Yuiri- Kneejerk.
Eiko   vs   Alicia (VP2)- Doubt Eiko can outlast or blitz here.
Eiko   vs   White Wizard- See Cecil comments.
Eiko   vs   Red 13- I think hasting gets her out of trouble here.
Eiko   vs   Kyle (L1)
Eiko   vs   Pahn- Protect/outlast.
Eiko   vs   Salome (S3)- I doubt Salmone can kill even under SL.
Eiko   vs   Alef (SF 1)- Walls thunder.
 
Beowulf   vs   Nina (BoF 1)- Wall hold, win.
Beowulf   vs   Cecil- Wall holy, win.
Beowulf   vs   Dart (LoD)- Status.
Beowulf  vs   Richard (S5)- Forgot about halving status. Kersplat.
Beowulf   vs   Yuiri- Aegis shield completely fucks her up.
Beowulf   vs   Alicia (VP2)- Status.
Beowulf   vs   White Wizard- Aspel/status/shock.
Beowulf   vs   Red 13- Status/aspel/etc.
Beowulf   vs   Kyle (L1)
Beowulf   vs   Pahn
Beowulf   vs   Salome (S3)
Beowulf   vs   Alef (SF 1)- He likes this field.


Ayne   vs   Nina (BoF 1)- Blocks hold. This match takes too long.
Ayne   vs   Cecil- Ayne vs physicals.
Ayne   vs   Dart (LoD)- Ayne's lack of speed/healing does him in here. Dart has to go full on blitz, but I think he can manage a 3HKO. Dragoon defenses keep him in the fight that long.
Ayne   vs   Richard (S5)- Ayne has serious problems damaging Richard, and he's giving up way too much speed here.
Ayne   vs   Yuiri- Funeral Wind in play costs him a lot of damage, and he can't block Sleep either way.
Ayne   vs   Alicia (VP2)- LoL2 characters are good at crushing Alicia.
Ayne   vs   White Wizard- Think Ruse is enough.
Ayne   vs   Red 13- Chips, smashes.
Ayne   vs   Kyle (L1)
Ayne   vs   Pahn
Ayne   vs   Salome (S3)
Ayne   vs   Alef (SF 1)
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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2008, 04:23:57 AM »
Dekar   vs   Nina (BoF 1)- Nina
Dekar   vs   Cecil- Dekar
Dekar   vs   Dart (LoD)- Dekar
Dekar   vs   Richard (S5)- Dekar
Dekar   vs   Yuiri- Yuiri
Dekar   vs   Alicia (VP2)- Dekar
Dekar   vs   White Wizard- Right. Well, Lufia 2 doesn’t really have evasion, so not really sure what to make of IPs here.
Dekar   vs   Red 13- Dekar. Red 13 needs an L3 to kill, or can take some damage and gain evasion. But at least Dekar is doing more damage, so I’d go for him.
Dekar   vs   Kyle (L1)- Dekar
Dekar   vs   Pahn- Dekar
Dekar   vs   Salome (S3)- Dekar
Dekar   vs   Alef (SF 1)- Dekar. Easy OHKO.
     
Nelis   vs   Nina (BoF 1)- Nina 1.
Nelis   vs   Cecil- Cecil
Nelis   vs   Dart (LoD)- Dart
Nelis   vs   Richard (S5)- Richard
Nelis   vs   Yuiri- Yuiri. Nelis wishes Suiko status was magic/Mdef checking.
Nelis   vs   Alicia (VP2)- Alicia
Nelis   vs   White Wizard- White Wizard
Nelis   vs   Red 13- Nelis.
Nelis   vs   Kyle (L1)- Nelis
Nelis   vs   Pahn- Nelis
Nelis   vs   Salome (S3)- Nelis. Think she has 13 shots of heal locking at least.
Nelis   vs   Alef (SF 1)- Nelis. OHKO.
     
Kresnik   vs   Nina (BoF 1)- Depends on Hold, and such, I think.
Kresnik   vs   Cecil- Kresnik
Kresnik   vs   Dart (LoD)- Kresnik.
Kresnik   vs   Richard (S5)- Richard. Deadly crit comes before Kresnik can kill.
Kresnik   vs   Yuiri- Yuiri. Sleep, Heal, Crit Smite.
Kresnik   vs   Alicia (VP2)- Alicia
Kresnik   vs   White Wizard- Kresnik. Cheap healing, speed, and ITE.
Kresnik   vs   Red 13- Kresnik
Kresnik   vs   Kyle (L1)- Kresnik
Kresnik   vs   Pahn- Kresnik
Kresnik   vs   Salome (S3)- Kresnik. Gut. Speed+Kresnik healing really is pretty cheap, and Salome’s damage is pretty easy to stay ahead of.
Kresnik   vs   Alef (SF 1)- Kresnik. Going first+MDef boost is something Alef doesn’t like.
     
Eiko   vs   Nina (BoF 1)- Nina 1. Reflect gives her this even although Eiko status blockers, I think.
Eiko   vs   Cecil- Eiko
Eiko   vs   Dart (LoD)- Eiko. Dart just doesn’t have the damage punch.
Eiko   vs   Richard (S5)- Richard
Eiko   vs   Yuiri- Yuiri. Gut. Mini doesn’t do anything to the ID, Reflect isn’t cheap, Yuiri blocks Silence.
Eiko   vs   Alicia (VP2)- Eiko. Mini+Haste w/ Trance.
Eiko   vs   White Wizard- Eiko. Block Silence.
Eiko   vs   Red 13- Eiko
Eiko   vs   Kyle (L1)- Eiko
Eiko   vs   Pahn- Eiko
Eiko   vs   Salome (S3)- Eiko. Salome’s SL is kind of a sad thing for damage.
Eiko   vs   Alef (SF 1) Eiko
     
Beowulf   vs   Nina (BoF 1)- Nina
Beowulf   vs   Cecil- Beowulf
Beowulf   vs   Dart (LoD)- Beowulf
Beowulf   vs   Richard (S5)- Richard. 2HKOs, faster, and halves status.
Beowulf   vs   Yuiri- Beowulf
Beowulf   vs   Alicia (VP2)- Beowulf
Beowulf   vs   White Wizard- Beowulf
Beowulf   vs   Red 13- Beowulf
Beowulf   vs   Kyle (L1)- Beowulf
Beowulf   vs   Pahn- Beowulf
Beowulf   vs   Salome (S3)- Beowulf
Beowulf   vs   Alef (SF 1)- Beowulf
     
Carol   vs   Nina (BoF 1)- Depends on what a Nina 1 without all those extra levels has for Act.
Carol   vs   Cecil- Carol
Carol   vs   Dart (LoD)- Dart. Dragoon Addition+Divine Dragoon Cannon kills.
Carol   vs   Richard (S5)- Richard.
Carol   vs   Yuiri- Yuiri
Carol   vs   Alicia (VP2)- Carol.
Carol   vs   White Wizard- Carol. Faster, use a spell for status immunity. However, think Silence, Transform, and Poison are the statuses WA 5 can actually get.
Carol   vs   Red 13- Red 13. Think his damage is good enough that it will link into a Killer Stardust Ray.
Carol   vs   Kyle (L1)- Carol
Carol   vs   Pahn- Carol
Carol   vs   Salome (S3)- Carol
Carol   vs   Alef (SF 1)- Alef
     
Ayne   vs   Nina (BoF 1)- Ayne. Blocks Paralysis to start, Blind with an accessory, Evil damage and ID chances add up (Especially since Nina needs to use turns to heal and to cast Def up or she faces death on turn 3)
Ayne   vs   Cecil- Ayne
Ayne   vs   Dart (LoD)- Dart. Stays in Dragoon long enough to outslug.
Ayne   vs   Richard (S5)- Richard. 2 turns.
Ayne   vs   Yuiri- Yuiri. Think she can 3 turn, and Ayne needs to drop 2 turning abilities to get the ID and Sleep protection.
Ayne   vs   Alicia (VP2)- Ayne.
Ayne   vs   White Wizard- Ayne. Turn 3 OHKO that is ITE, I think.
Ayne   vs   Red 13- Ayne. 2 turn that is good at turn 1 chipping
Ayne   vs   Kyle (L1)- Ayne
Ayne   vs   Pahn- Ayne
Ayne   vs   Salome (S3)- Ayne
Ayne   vs   Alef (SF 1)- Alef. Not OHKOed, 2 turns.

Beowulf 10-2 (4-2; 6-0)
Dekar 9-2 (4-2; 5-0)
Eiko 9-3 (3-3; 6-0)
Kresnik 8-3 (2-3; 6-0)
Ayne 8-4 (3-3; 5-1)
Carol 6-5 (2-3; 4-2)
Nelis 5-7 (0-6; 5-1)
« Last Edit: July 08, 2008, 08:33:56 AM by Dhyerwolf »
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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2008, 07:34:06 PM »
Votes later, but Hold definitely does reset the turn gauge, if converted to CTB. e.g., in-game, if Nina faces a faster opponent, you can have:

Nina: Hold
(Enemy paralysed)
Nina: Attack
(Enemy paralysed)
(Paralysis wears off! Effect visible on screen when Nina chooses action)
Nina: Hold

Repeat forever.

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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2008, 08:58:19 PM »
Changing votes then, thanks.
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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2008, 04:32:45 AM »
Nelis   vs   Dart (LoD)
Nelis   vs   Richard (S5)
Nelis   vs   Yuiri: Yuiri's physical prowess is hardly bad. Also, hello Wind of Sleep.
Nelis   vs   Kyle (L1)
Nelis   vs   Pahn
Nelis   vs   Salome (S3)
Nelis   vs   Alef (SF 1)
      
Kresnik   vs   Dart (LoD)
Kresnik   vs   Richard (S5): Critical.
Kresnik   vs   Yuiri: Sleep.
Kresnik   vs   Kyle (L1)
Kresnik   vs   Pahn
Kresnik   vs   Salome (S3): Salome, if I remember correctly, is not a damage wunderkind. Even without healing, a person could wear him down given enough time. Kresnik is one of these people.
Kresnik   vs   Alef (SF 1): Goes first. Blitzkrieg.
      
Carol   vs   Dart (LoD): Sword-rune Carol beats Dart before DD. Luck rune Carol doesn't, and that makes all the difference.
Carol   vs   Richard (S5): Clobbers.
Carol   vs   Yuiri: Hmm...
Carol   vs   Kyle (L1)
Carol   vs   Pahn
Carol   vs   Salome (S3)
Carol   vs   Alef (SF 1)

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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2008, 11:27:37 AM »
Beowulf   vs   Cecil - Not sure what statii actually get through Cecil's armor, but with holy absorption it doesn't really matter much.
Beowulf   vs   White Wizard - Easy.
Beowulf   vs   Alef (SF 1) - White Robe stops any argument for Bolt 4 OHKOing, easing pickings from there.  Probably doesn't even need it but eh, too lazy to check the SF1 stat topic.

Could arguably vote on Dekar, but... not comfortable voting off stat topic with so little progress in the game.

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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2008, 01:51:12 AM »
The Matches
Dekar   vs   Nina (BoF 1): I ASSUME he doesn't ever get a turn. This could get messy if he does. Though with his best armor, he might tink her damage?
Dekar   vs   Cecil
Dekar   vs   Dart (LoD): Think Dragoon gives him the oomph for this.
Dekar   vs   Richard (S5): I think Dekar has an advantage here?
Dekar   vs   Yuiri
Dekar   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Dekar   vs   White Wizard: Ruse, I guess? Maybe Dekar's stuff is ITE, but I'll not vote that way without proof.
Dekar   vs   Red 13
Dekar   vs   Kyle (L1)
Dekar   vs   Pahn
Dekar   vs   Salome (S3)
Dekar   vs   Alef (SF 1): Don't think Alef is quite OHKOd here. Do a little damage, finish the job with Bolt4.
     
Nelis   vs   Nina (BoF 1): You want speedy physical beats to kill Nina1.
Nelis   vs   Cecil: Walls fire?
Nelis   vs   Dart (LoD): Walls fire.
Nelis   vs   Richard (S5): Halves fire. She doesn't halve nastily powerful physical damage (71% chance at overkill? Zuh).
Nelis   vs   Yuiri
Nelis   vs   Alicia (VP2): Fire resist, kills with Healing.
Nelis   vs   White Wizard
Nelis   vs   Red 13
Nelis   vs   Kyle (L1)
Nelis   vs   Pahn
Nelis   vs   Salome (S3)
Nelis   vs   Alef (SF 1): Thunder halving.
     
Kresnik   vs   Nina (BoF 1):
Kresnik   vs   Cecil
Kresnik   vs   Dart (LoD)
Kresnik   vs   Richard (S5): OHKO?
Kresnik   vs   Yuiri: buuurrp. Copying Dhyer.
Kresnik   vs   Alicia (VP2): This takes a while.
Kresnik   vs   White Wizard: Kresnik had ITE
Kresnik   vs   Red 13
Kresnik   vs   Kyle (L1)
Kresnik   vs   Pahn
Kresnik   vs   Salome (S3)
Kresnik   vs   Alef (SF 1)
     
Eiko   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Eiko   vs   Cecil: Summons can deal damage. Mini.
Eiko   vs   Dart (LoD)
Eiko   vs   Richard (S5)
Eiko   vs   Yuiri
Eiko   vs   Alicia (VP2): This is funny.
Eiko   vs   White Wizard
Eiko   vs   Red 13
Eiko   vs   Kyle (L1)
Eiko   vs   Pahn
Eiko   vs   Salome (S3): Casts Reflect on him? Meh.
Eiko   vs   Alef (SF 1): Elements. FF9. Etc.
     
Beowulf   vs   Nina (BoF 1): Walls the status and gets her with his own? Though I dunno. She had that wall magic. Meh.
Beowulf   vs   Cecil
Beowulf   vs   Dart (LoD): Practically immune to his stuff in dragoon form?
Beowulf   vs   Richard (S5): Status halving armor. Kills first?
Beowulf   vs   Yuiri
Beowulf   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Beowulf   vs   White Wizard
Beowulf   vs   Red 13
Beowulf   vs   Kyle (L1)
Beowulf   vs   Pahn
Beowulf   vs   Salome (S3)
Beowulf   vs   Alef (SF 1)

Rest later. How many contestants do you need?

Carol   vs   Nina (BoF 1): Wall and some other crap.
Carol   vs   Cecil: ITD.
Carol   vs   Dart (LoD): Aforementioned ITD.
Carol   vs   Richard (S5)
Carol   vs   Yuiri: WoS?
Carol   vs   Alicia (VP2): 100 FP double hype works maybe. Either way fire is needed here.
Carol   vs   White Wizard
Carol   vs   Red 13
Carol   vs   Kyle (L1)
Carol   vs   Pahn: Should manage to double up and stuff.
Carol   vs   Salome (S3): EPIC. FAIL.
Carol   vs   Alef (SF 1): OHKO?
     
Ayne   vs   Nina (BoF 1): Idle works, I guess. Dunno if I see a Blind blocker stopping it. Though if so this gets one-sided in a hurry.
Ayne   vs   Cecil: Rar physicals.
Ayne   vs   Dart (LoD): This ain't pretty.
Ayne   vs   Richard (S5): Think the damage/speed combo is too much.
Ayne   vs   Yuiri
Ayne   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Ayne   vs   White Wizard: Ruse works?
Ayne   vs   Red 13
Ayne   vs   Kyle (L1)
Ayne   vs   Pahn
Ayne   vs   Salome (S3)
Ayne   vs   Alef (SF 1): I think his HP lets him survive. Probably halves thunder too.
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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2008, 02:00:03 AM »
Beo's status is turn one against average MDef, which Dart definitely is.
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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2008, 02:54:59 AM »
Dekar   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Dekar   vs   Cecil
Dekar    vs   Dart (LoD)
Dekar   vs   Richard
Dekar   vs   Yuiri
Dekar   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Dekar   vs   White Wizard
Dekar   vs   Red 13
Dekar    vs   Kyle (L1)
Dekar    vs   Pahn
Dekar    vs   Salome (S3)
Dekar    vs   Alef (SF 1)

No I dont allow Tough Hide healing. Its not unique to Dekar. >_>
     
Nelis   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Nelis    vs   Cecil
Nelis   vs   Dart (LoD)
Nelis   vs   Richard (S5)
Nelis   vs   Yuiri
Nelis   vs   Alicia (VP2)
Nelis   vs   White Wizard
Nelis    vs   Red 13
Nelis    vs   Kyle (L1)
Nelis    vs   Pahn
Nelis    vs   Salome (S3)
Nelis    vs   Alef (SF 1)
     

Eiko   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Eiko    vs   Cecil
Eiko   vs   Dart (LoD)
Eiko   vs   Richard (S5)
Eiko   vs   Yuiri
Eiko    vs   Alicia (VP2)
Eiko   vs   White Wizard
Eiko    vs   Red 13
Eiko   vs   Kyle (L1)
Eiko    vs   Pahn
Eiko   vs   Salome (S3)
Eiko   vs   Alef (SF 1)
     
Beowulf   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Beowulf    vs   Cecil
Beowulf    vs   Dart (LoD)
Beowulf   vs   Richard (S5)
Beowulf    vs   Yuiri
Beowulf    vs   Alicia (VP2)
Beowulf   vs   White Wizard
Beowulf    vs   Red 13
Beowulf    vs   Kyle (L1)
Beowulf    vs   Pahn
Beowulf   vs   Salome (S3)
Beowulf    vs   Alef (SF 1)
     
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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2008, 02:56:04 AM »

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No I dont allow Tough Hide healing. Its not unique to Dekar. >_>

But Metal Mail healing is. And that fries Alicia and Cecil at the least.
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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2008, 07:13:54 PM »
Carol   vs   Nina (BoF 1) - Think Nina runs out of healing (...).
Carol   vs   Cecil - ITD.  Haha.
Carol   vs   Dart (LoD) - Puts up too much pressure, but I allow turn 1 dragoon transformations.  For those who don't, moving to a leypoint and using Slow Down should let Carol constantly double (with medium boosts) or 3-2 (without medium boosts).  Something to consider though it may not be enough.
Carol   vs   Richard (S5) - 71% chance of overkill?  Ow.  Not much Carol can do against that (evade hype???????? steal Swallow Rune hype?????????????????????????)
Carol   vs   Yuiri - Blocks sleep and ID, outslugs?  There's an argument for double 3x crit happening eventually maybe...
Carol   vs   Alicia (VP2) - I... you... WHAT.  I'm just going to kneejerk that Carol twinks physical, gets to 100 FP, waits for a double, and then does Life Drain -> Chapapanga.  This match takes fucking forever.
Carol   vs   White Wizard - Seems pretty clear.
Carol   vs   Red 13 - Doesn't dodge a limit without Chapapanga, and... well, Defend whoring?  I dunno.  Probably needs to Drain too often and eats a limit anyways.
Carol   vs   Kyle (L1) - Think Slow Down->Life Drain spam does its thing here.
Carol   vs   Pahn - Uh yeah.
Carol   vs   Salome (S3) - Haha.
Carol   vs   Alef (SF 1) - Can't vote.

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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2008, 09:00:05 PM »
Dekar   vs   Nina (BoF 1) - Been said.
Dekar   vs   Cecil - Healing IPs are silly.
Dekar   vs   Dart (LoD) - See above
Dekar   vs   Richard (S5) - Can't vote
Dekar   vs   Yuiri - Can't vote
Dekar   vs   Alicia (VP2) - Can't vote
Dekar   vs   White Wizard - Not inclined to see IPs as unevadable.
Dekar   vs   Red 13 - Probably shouldn't vote
Dekar   vs   Kyle (L1) - Yep.
Dekar   vs   Pahn - Yep.
Dekar   vs   Salome (S3) - Can't vote
Dekar   vs   Alef (SF 1) - Mages in the remake suck.

Eiko   vs   Nina (BoF 1) - Hold
Eiko   vs   Cecil - Yep.
Eiko   vs   Dart (LoD) - Yep.
Eiko   vs   Richard (S5) - Can't vote
Eiko   vs   Yuiri - Can't vote
Eiko   vs   Alicia (VP2) - Can't vote
Eiko   vs   White Wizard - Yep.
Eiko   vs   Red 13 - Probably shouldn't vote.
Eiko   vs   Kyle (L1) - Haste and not being OHKO'd should be enough.
Eiko   vs   Pahn - see above
Eiko   vs   Salome (S3) - Can't vote
Eiko   vs   Alef (SF 1) - Mages in the remake suck

Beowulf   vs   Nina (BoF 1) - FFT equips are silly.
Beowulf   vs   Cecil - Status
Beowulf   vs   Dart (LoD) - Status
Beowulf   vs   Richard (S5) - Can't vote
Beowulf   vs   Yuiri - Can't vote
Beowulf   vs   Alicia (VP2) - Can't vote
Beowulf   vs   White Wizard - Yep.
Beowulf   vs   Red 13 - Probably shouldn't vote
Beowulf   vs   Kyle (L1) - Yep.
Beowulf   vs   Pahn - Yep.
Beowulf   vs   Salome (S3) - Can't vote
Beowulf   vs   Alef (SF 1) - Unholy slaughter.

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« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2008, 02:58:32 AM »
Carol   vs   Nina (BoF 1) - Think Nina runs out of healing (...).

Nina regens MP with every attack she does. Considering the level of offense involved in this match, this leads only to tears and pain.
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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2008, 04:05:51 AM »
Carol   vs   Nina (BoF 1) - Think Nina runs out of healing (...).

Nina regens MP with every attack she does. Considering the level of offense involved in this match, this leads only to tears and pain.

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« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2008, 06:22:21 AM »
Dekar   vs   Nina (BoF 1): Hold Locked.
Dekar   vs   Cecil: Cecil's a lot faster than Dekar.  Given how well he can tank, he can probably play defensively with Cure 2, attack once beforehand, wait for a double, kill.
Dekar   vs   Dart (LoD): See above.  Dart lacks healing, but Dekar's slow enough that doubling occurs fast anyway.
Dekar   vs   Yuiri: Kneejerk.
Dekar  vs   Alicia (VP2): Guessing Dekar has some sort of high IP that can just nuke Alicia dead.
Dekar   vs   White Wizard: Evade Buff Hax.
Dekar   vs   Red 13: Dekar can't avoid a Lunatic High, which gives too much evasion.
Dekar   vs   Kyle (L1): Kyle's faster, which makes me think this fight is in his favor.
Dekar   vs   Pahn: Pahn sucks.
Dekar   vs   Salome (S3): Salome too.
Dekar   vs   Alef (SF 1): Dekar survivse a Bolt 4, Alef does not survive a Dekar physical.
 
Avoiding Nelis; fuck you S5, and characters I never used and such.

Kresnik   vs   Nina (BoF 1): Hold Lock.
Kresnik   vs   Cecil: Outresources or something.
Kresnik   vs   Dart (LoD): Same here.
Kresnik   vs   Yuiri: Kneejerk.
Kresnik   vs   Alicia (VP2): Kneejerk MkII.
Kresnik  vs   White Wizard: Yeah, outlasts.
Kresnik   vs   Red 13: Limit should do Kresnick in.
Kresnik   vs   Kyle (L1): Kneejerk.
Kresnik   vs   Pahn: Pahn sucks.
Kresnik   vs   Salome (S3): Outlasts again.
Kresnik   vs   Alef (SF 1): I think?
     
Eiko   vs   Nina (BoF 1): Hush, fight kind of ends there. 
Eiko   vs   Cecil: Eiko has more healing, better damage, and resists Cecil's damage anyway. 
Eiko   vs  Dart (LoD): Here, meanwhile, Eiko's frail enough that a physical with the threat of a Dragoon Attack follow up might be enough to kill her, and since he has both kinds of damage...yeah, Heal Lock or something.  Granted, there's Haste, but...not sure I respect that given its duration.
Eiko   vs   Yuiri: Kneejerk.
Eiko   vs   Alicia (VP2): Eiko can cast Reflect on Alicia, thereby fucking over her healing!  Actually I'm serious about that, and Eiko can get around that with Madeen too if she needs too.
Eiko   vs   White Wizard: Think she has more resources offhand.
Eiko   vs   Red 13: Puts a lot of pressure on her, and she can only really avoid a limit through double turning via Haste...which doesn't happen with FF7 Limits.
Eiko   vs   Kyle (L1): Think he 2HKOs her and not vice versa.
Eiko   vs   Pahn: Magic damage against Pahn.
Eiko   vs   Salome (S3): Two healers, one has damage.
Eiko   vs   Alef (SF 1): Elemental damage vs. FF9.
 
Beowulf   vs   Nina (BoF 1): Beowulf can stop Hold or Hush, but not both at the same time, interps be damned, and Nina's faster.
Beowulf   vs   Cecil: Chicken.  Also, Chameleon Robe screws Cecil's damage over something fierce.
Beowulf   vs   Dart (LoD): Think he has some turn 1 status that stops Dart from going Dragoon.  Wanna say Sleep hits?
Beowulf   vs   Yuiri: Should be able to get something off.
Beowulf   vs   Alicia (VP2): One of his status is going to hit Alicia.  I'm saying Sleep since VP2 has a complete lack of that, and by extension, lack of status equips for it.
Beowulf   vs   White Wizard: Casts Wall, which completely negates Beowulf's status.  After this, its heal + Boost evade.  Beowulf then resorts to Drain...which runs him out of MP.
Beowulf   vs   Red 13: Sleep, Stone, whatever, he gets something off before Red XIII kills.  Crystal Shield helps secure this.
Beowulf   vs   Kyle (L1): Same here more or less, just add in bad magic defense and going first instead of Crystal shield.
Beowulf   vs   Pahn: Choose a status! Beowulf hits it turn 1.
Beowulf   vs   Salome (S3): Hits Salome with something long before he dies; Salome doesn't win when he needs to outslug something.
Beowulf   vs   Alef (SF 1): White Robe, then some status should do the trick.
     
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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2008, 05:22:08 PM »
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Dekar   vs   Cecil: Cecil's a lot faster than Dekar.  Given how well he can tank, he can probably play defensively with Cure 2, attack once beforehand, wait for a double, kill.
Dekar   vs   Dart (LoD): See above.  Dart lacks healing, but Dekar's slow enough that doubling occurs fast anyway.
Dekar   vs   Kyle (L1): Kyle's faster, which makes me think this fight is in his favor.
Dekar   vs   Red 13: Dekar can't avoid a Lunatic High, which gives too much evasion.

Dekar has 1.42 PC HP and good defense. How is Cecil even close to 3HKOing him? Dekar has a massive advantage in offense and durablity and healing. Shit, Cecil probably isn't even close to 3HKOing Dekar if he uses Tough Hide, or even close to smashing past a limit. That durablity plus the healing makes his fights with Kyle a joke, there's no way Kyle is even close to killing him before IPs coming into play. He may outright lose a slugfest anyway since Dekar 2HKOs and he doesn't.

Dart's arguble but I doubt offhand he can 2HKO Dekar even with Divine Dragoon Cannon. Red is the same thing- Dekar plays the same limit game as Red does, but is better thanks to having several limit ranges to chose from. Berserker+Holy Energy smash past him at worst.

Stat topic says Funeral Wind is turn one for Yuiri against average MDef, so.. donno there. if it isn't she still may win thanks to WoS and how damned slow Dekar is, but it's a better fight.
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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2008, 01:00:29 AM »

Dekar   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Dekar   vs   Cecil
Dekar   vs   White Wizard
Dekar  vs   Red 13
Dekar   vs   Kyle (L1)
Dekar   vs   Pahn
Dekar   vs   Alef (SF 1)
     
Kresnik   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Kresnik   vs   Cecil
Kresnik   vs   White Wizard
Kresnik   vs   Red 13
Kresnik   vs   Kyle (L1)
Kresnik   vs   Pahn
Kresnik   vs   Alef (SF 1)
     
Beowulf   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Beowulf   vs   Cecil
Beowulf   vs   White Wizard
Beowulf   vs   Red 13
Beowulf   vs   Kyle (L1)
Beowulf   vs   Pahn
Beowulf   vs   Alef (SF 1)
     
Carol   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Carol   vs   Cecil
Carol   vs   White Wizard
Carol   vs   Red 13
Carol   vs   Kyle (L1)
Carol   vs   Pahn
Carol   vs   Alef (SF 1)
     
Ayne   vs   Nina (BoF 1)
Ayne   vs   Cecil
Ayne   vs   White Wizard
Ayne   vs   Red 13
Ayne   vs   Kyle (L1)
Ayne   vs   Pahn
Ayne   vs   Alef (SF 1)
<Ko-NitoriisSulpher> roll 1d100 to grade Nitori?
<Hatbot> ACTION --> "Ko-NitoriisSulpher rolls 1d100 to grade Nitori? and gets 100." [1d100=100]

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Re: Proving Grounds: Heavy Prelims 1
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2008, 08:30:03 AM »
Update tomorrow.
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