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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day One: The Foot Is Agame!
« Reply #175 on: July 03, 2008, 04:33:43 AM »
The day began and ended with wild claims: "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!"

This announcement was greeted with some skepticism: "I dunno, I can imagine quite a bit."

After this exchange, there was nothing for it but to put the claim to the test. So they hung Mindboggler from the neck until dead, and spent some time watching the corpse to see if anything happened. Then someone prodded it. Then someone painted it yellow because, well, why not? Nothing happened. There was some disgruntled mumbling and eventually the crowd dispersed and headed for an uneasy night's rest.

A few minutes later, after everyone had retreated to their quarters for the night, a ghostly, transparent image blipped into existence over Mindboggler's corpse, and spoke thusly:

Like zombie Zalbag
I slip from the grave's embrace
To speak once a day!

No doubt Mindboggler would have more to say when her fellows arose. ...Though not to all of them, as it turned out. In the morning, the residents of Belle Reve found their number further reduced by two.


Deltaflyer2k8--The Thinker, AKA Cliff Carmichael (Town Messenger)--was killed overnight!

OblivionKnight--Deadshot, AKA Floyd Lawton (Self-aligned Jester)--was killed overnight!

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It is now day two. With fourteen alive, it takes eight to lynch.

(In case anyone wonders, Delta was not a modkill and he did not quit the game).

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day One: The Foot Is Agame!
« Reply #176 on: July 03, 2008, 04:37:41 AM »
Gah. Sorry I didn't speak up like I planned to. Got called into work early, and by the time I had a free minute the hammer had fallen. I would've voted for Tom anyway, so at least it didn't change much.

Anyway, that's...well. All three of the Day 1 targets are gone, so it's time to look at the people who were attacking those three yesterday. Fun, fun.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day One: The Foot Is Agame!
« Reply #177 on: July 03, 2008, 04:38:33 AM »
Well. I guess we should all be thankful that Tom was able to get himself lynched before OK. Uh I'll go through stuff later, RPing right now.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day One: The Foot Is Agame!
« Reply #178 on: July 03, 2008, 04:40:03 AM »
Well then, I guess that took care of all the Day 1 potential targets in one fell swoop.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #179 on: July 03, 2008, 05:13:48 AM »
Well, it turns out I had good cause to suspect OK of jesterdom. We dodged a bullet there? (I'm still unclear as to whether jesters winning mean the rest of us win less or not.) And Tom is a zombie. Well I guess he was pretty much telling the truth then. Now we can count on his insight from beyond the grave. Joy. I can hope he has some cop-like ability or somesuch, but I kinda doubt it.

Not sure what the hell to make of yesterday, since the cases on both OK and Tom seemed pretty damned reasonable. Scum could easily have done just about anything, and I dunno how to wade through the WIFOM to figure anything out.

The fact that two nearest candidates to lynching besides Tom himself died is curious, though. Most likely reason I can think of offhand is that one death is the work of a vig. No idea why scum would kill either of them, but I'm not going to think about it too hard either. See WIFOM disclaimer above.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #180 on: July 03, 2008, 05:23:49 AM »
My thoughts on each!

Ok, Delta...I'm not sure about.  Guessing a Vig got him.  Why?  Cause he was being totally unhelpful to Town, and looked suspicious, and could probably be irritating, so probably went down by that or something.  Of course, there could be some other method of death...just don't think its scum.

Why? Cause I bet Scum suspected OK was a Jester too.  His actions make sense; he was trying to get himself lynched.  He failed, Scum knew he was probably going to keep this up, so took him down before he could get lynched.  Makes sense enough to me.
Granted, I think a Jester Win might be independent of everyone else.  As in, getting Lynched = He wins, but game still goes on.  He just needs to succeed at that, and not matter for anything else.  So yeah, in that regard, seems kind of silly.

Tom...yeah, telling the truth in the end.  Just...argh, why did he do that?  Wasted a lynch on him cause of his whole odd style of playing.  Well, at least he can still help contribute to the conversation some, and hopefully explain himself from beyond the grave (though, it'd be recommended he make his one post as good as possible, for obvious reasons.)

Anyway, gonna need to go over and analyze things.  No clue where to start...well, ok, starting with those who interacted with any of the 3 role flips would be a start, but...yeah, this is going to take some time.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #181 on: July 03, 2008, 05:25:33 AM »
Heh. My head hurts now... I'm not quite sure why the scum would kill either....

Also reaaaally glad we didn't lynch OK. Not sure what that would have caused but I don't think it'd have been good.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #182 on: July 03, 2008, 05:36:18 AM »
Corwin: in answer to your question, the way OK, Carth and Tom were all acting yesterday was just really off to me.  OK especially.  And the way everyone kept saying 'nope can't say more' just screams that they have roles that are wacky.  And roles-wacky=role-madness to me with this batch of peeps.  We tend to take a little bit of chaos, sow it with fertilizer and then will it really hard to grow into something even worse than what it started out as (at least so it seems to me).  And seeing Tom & OK's flips haven't really changed my mind in that regard.

Tom's death was...well, with hindsight, it was the BEST thing we could have done between him and OK.  And now we've got a phrase a day from him.  I'll be looking for that later on when things get going again.

Delta's death: I'm not really sure much can be gotten out of that.  Whether it was a scum hit, a vig hit or a third party kill, it basically boils down to taking out someone who was a distraction at best and a downright impediment to town at worst.

OK's flip, hmm.  Waiting...waiting...nope, not much surprise going on here about that one considering how he was acting yesterday.  No win for you mister distraction.  I'm still not sure what to make of someone targeting OK.  Vig/SK hedging bets to see if the one who dodged the bullet was the scum instead?  Scum trying to make us start back at square one by taking out the other front runner?  Either set phearing OK's Mad Mafia Skillz(tm)?  WIFOM could eat my evening on this one.  Not sure what to make of it, but I'll let it percolate in the back of the brain and see what comes up.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #183 on: July 03, 2008, 05:59:22 AM »
There's honestly all kinds of weird possibilities. Maybe there's a bus-driver or someone with an ability that reflects NKs to someone else. I mean, this is a pretty silly game so far.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #184 on: July 03, 2008, 07:09:08 AM »
Huh, odd set of people to take out, but I'm not especially inclined to ponder too hard on who took out whom, nor why they did so.  With luck, we'll eventually find out who the vig was, and hear who they shot and why.  But for now, all I can do is look at those people, and actually be glad that we lost the folks who were being the biggest detractors from the game (though, I can now greatly understand why OK was doing what he was.)

Now, we have a clean slate, and some knowledge from which to start a proper hunt.  So, time to look through everything, and see what can be learned.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #185 on: July 03, 2008, 07:21:01 AM »
With fourteen alive, it takes eight to kill.

Mod slip up or is this genuine? I sincerely hope not.

As far as new suspects go, I'm just as flabbergasted as the rest of you lot.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #186 on: July 03, 2008, 07:33:06 AM »
You need a majority to lynch. 7 out of 14 is not a majority. 8 out of 14 is. I see no problem.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #187 on: July 03, 2008, 07:35:00 AM »
With fourteen alive, it takes eight to kill.

Mod slip up or is this genuine? I sincerely hope not.

That, sir, is a very good question. I'm quite curious myself. Dark Holy Elf, presuming Rat still has no vote, this does not compute.

As for the overnight kills, I can't say I'm terribly disappointed in the outcome. Though we didn't get scum, we got a third party, and I think the other two being gotten rid of the way they were will be beneficial to the game in general. I'm not sure myself as to who got rid of whom and why, though.

As for the present game, I can't say I have any major leads at this point.

I'm heading to bed now, and have work in the morning, so you wont see me posting for a while, but I'll read over everything when I get home and give my thoughts at that point.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #188 on: July 03, 2008, 08:03:18 AM »
Ash, it does compute.  Sure, it could be a mod mistake, but I don't think it is.  Which means that Rat does have voting weight when it comes to determining how many people need to vote to lynch, but no actual vote himself.  It'll be something to keep an eye on as the game progresses, but nothing that needs to be focused on at present.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #189 on: July 03, 2008, 08:18:48 AM »
Rat having no vote has no bearing on the amount of people still in the game.

Anyway, people are going 'must take look at interactions, more later'. I'll be actually sure to follow up on that and check whether the promised 'more' comes at some later time.

Myself, I think I'd like to examine those who didn't vote for whatever reason. http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=1398.msg24589#msg24589 for easy reference.

9. Elfboy
12. Shale
13. Jo'ou Ranbu

Okay. So we had three people who had not placed a vote at all, after all our deliberations?

Elfboy. Yeah, I'm thinking I would like to hear why you had no votes on the table when the day ended despite being reasonably active.

Shale. Here ( http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=1398.msg24655#msg24655 ) he cites RL as the reason, and then follows up with saying he would have voted for whom we now know to be a town player without hesitation. This is something I'd like to hear him explain.

At the same time, Shale is trying to direct attention towards the people who DID vote for either of the three targets of day 1. Presumably, it means Tom's voters, as Delta and OK had two votes between the two of them; the same Tom, whose innocence Shale now knows and says he would have gone for, but it was apparently suspicious to pursue while his claims were still very much in doubt.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #190 on: July 03, 2008, 08:32:44 AM »
You need a majority to lynch. 7 out of 14 is not a majority. 8 out of 14 is. I see no problem.

Oh, right. Of course, my mistake.

So I just skimmed through the entire thread and... I'm going to be flat-out honest here, I've nothing new to add to the table. EvilTom/OblivionKnight's cases have been dominant the entire way, and all one had to do is really just add on to that and ignore everything else.

If I look at delta's voterecord, nothing really comes to bear.

As far as ideas for the day...

I find it a bit odd Ashdla wanted Elfboy to defend himself against a joke vote. Further, there's this little bit...
Too true! Usually only those wanting attention make such bold statements. Why oh why does the rat want us to look at him, I wonder?

I admit I am reaching at straws here, but looking back at it, Ashdla seemed too hard to try and get people to look at Carthrat... Coupled with jumping the OK train right after that post with no explanation... Bah. I'll be looking at you, Ashdla.

Then there's Excal saying:
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It feels so odd when I'm one of the few who isn't letting a role influence his posts.

I'm... Not sure what makes him feel secure in making this statement. I mean, sure, Carthrat, EvilTom and OblivionKnight somewhat acted on a role but no one else did. And in Rat's case, he couldn't do much else.

Now, I often believe the first kill listed is scumkilled, and the second kill listed is ITP/Vig killed, so of course this gem strikes up to me as well:
Delta: I am a proponent of lynching people who don't bother to use proper capitalization, not to mention punctuation. Not actually having much to show for yourself either in volume or content will make your playing experience a short one, if I have anything to do about this, so do shape up.

You'll forgive me for reaching at Day 1 straws here. Note that I can't say that either of the three I highlighted are scum based on the above three quotations, but I still believe they deserve some extra attention.

Ninja'd by Corwin. Brings up an excellent point on Shale. Had overlooked it. Good thinking, Corwin.

A request to EvilTom, by the way: Please do not post during debates unless you want to point out some things we are clearly overlooking and/or are about to lynch what you feel is a bad choice. Please do not post needlessly so we do not waste your single day voice. Please forgive us sinful children of Ivalice.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #191 on: July 03, 2008, 08:37:51 AM »
Yes it does compute, we go for true majority here in the DL, which means over 50% of the town's votes are required for a lynch. Now, I don't have a vote, but I apparently contribute to this anyway. So yeah.

I was tempted to copy/paste my day one rant here again for irony's sake. But no, onto an actual post.

<->

Anyway I think Bardiche is presently the most suspicious person around, mainly because he doesn't seem to think it's that bad lynching me in order to 'narrow the suspects down'. At least, that's what he said stuff to the effect of yesterday...

Quote from: Bardiche
Carthrat: Huh, can't vote at all. I concur with Meeple on this point, that it could be something like that... Mm, too little information as yet. I see no reason to lynch him for it, although I do consider it an option when we're going to "narrow" down the amount of players and cannot decide on an eligible target. For now, I appreciate Rat's analytical ability enough not to want to support a train on him yet.

This is actually never a good idea. Lynching someone because it seems like the least worst option is not a good mindset or basis for an argument. Sure, he doesn't condone lynching me then, but this logic is inherently flawed. Laggy also scores points for expressing slight willingness to do this just based on 'day one sucks'.

So. FoS: Bardiche for this, and generally pushing discussion about me around throughout the day with what looked like a view to lynching me for no good reason. He still apparently has minor stuff about me to talk about, too. I'm very curious as to what that might be.

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In general, the fact that we had such lynchable people running around yesterday only means that nobody is going to REALLY seem suspicious just for following up on those cases.

Honorary mentions go to Meeple and Ashdla for rampant role speculation.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #192 on: July 03, 2008, 09:36:43 AM »
On the subject of day one lynches to "clear out riff raff": there are precious few circumstances that I can think that this is a good idea. Simply put, while day one does suck, you should at least have some indication that a lynch target is in part scummy. The only time that uselessness should ever be a factor is when they are LITERALLY useless and, even then, it should only be a factor when they are one of many targets. I.E. play ability should only be factored in as a last resort to help decide between multiple targets.</playstyle>

Looking at the vote records, the first five people that I would look at are: Bardiche, Excal, Laggy, Meeple and Ashdla. Why? Because all of these people went for the two likely lynch trains. While, obviously, this isn't a sure thing, it is pretty likely that scum will try to sneak on on the obvious lynch trains. Of them... Bardiche looks unquestionably worst to me.

Stolling down the list, we have the support of lynching Carth 'cause, hey. He can't vote. The other big thing that jumps out at me is that... well. Why didn't you give Tom a final chance to roleclaim? While this isn't always useful, I have to admit a certain curiosity as to why Tom was not given a final chance. Given his earlier comments, I'm not sure what he would have provided or even if he would have just said he couldn't, but it feels... off to have not give him a final go and instead jump straight into the hammer vote. I realize his earlier statements about not being able to say anything, but hearing last words might still have done something.

Generally speaking, I really don't like the sort of precedent this sets. In fact, that bothers me enough that I do want your logic behind that one in your own words.

##Vote: Bardiche

The other person I recommend taking a look back on is Shale who unvotes Delta... while he's still one of his top three suspects. It feels really odd to me to have three viable candidates and not put votes on any of them.

Beyond that, I would like to hear from NEB and Snow as to why they had no votes at the end of the day.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #193 on: July 03, 2008, 09:56:44 AM »
Apologies for late post, was caught up in stuff and been a busy day in general. Also dead tired, but I felt I should contribute before passing out for the night.

Immediate first thought before anything: Bardiche, it is customary to at least give a fair amount of warning (declare intent to hammer) before actually dropping the hammer. Please keep this in mind in the future, because it sure looks like you were just dropping the vote without realizing it would end the day.

Flips are somewhat unsurprising, if disappointing. If I had to hazard a guess, I think we had a vig that gunned Delta and scum gunned OK knowing he wasn't one of their kind and likely had an alternate win condition, but I'll not dwell too much on that. As said before, at least Tom is now a confirmed townie with assured insight.

Collective thoughts on everyone right now:


AndrewRogue - Needs to post more.

Ciato - Ditto. Actually your post count really isn't that bad, but some more own thought and speculation would be nice. Mainly what you've been saying is caution and don't-do-this, which is fine but let's-do (or think about)-this is ALSO important.

Strago - I'm a little fed up of the "oh noes, people are rolefishing and speculating too much, that must obviously be scummy!" when 1) that was already explained thoroughly at the start, and 2) every other post I wrote afterwards contained something along the lines of "Stop speculating on Rat's role, his explanation was reasonable and further talk is derailing". Furthermore his few posts have really come off as parroting a bunch of really obvious statements with no real original content of his own, and he laid down a vote on Tom. While the cases were so clear and justified in Day 1 that this is somewhat understandable, it bothers me, more so in that he hasn't really been active.

Carthrat - While I can understand his unease on me, in my defense let me say that I had you clear off the potential lynch list rather early on after OK and Tom (and later, Delta) insanity came up; before that, literally the only other thing was LAL, which as you said yourself was dumb to pursue that early. Other than that... yeah, it was day 1. Speaking out my thoughts and laying out all potential cases is not necessarily a bad thing to do; furthermore, I was vocal afterwards about NOT having people waste time speculating/commenting on your role and lynch case, since it was so WIFOMey. As for Rat himself, he is still of course mysterious mystery.

QuietRain - Has been active, given good reasoning behind her votes, basically pro-active townie behavior. Can't really see much to criticize at the moment.

Bardiche - Came on the verge of offering content a lot of time but seemed to back off way too much under the pretense of not wanting to look scummy. Well okay dude, we all don't want to look scummy but we all also need to be not afraid to speak our minds. I think the whole ROLEFISHING OMG hit you too hard too, and frankly that annoys me to see it hold that much.

Elfboy - Similar to QR, except much more reluctant on the votes, using the justification that he didn't want to hop on trains that much. Eh, I think as town you really need to not get stuck on that train of thought too long, but so did I for a bit when I got derailed by the incessant role speculation on Tom. Neutral read right now. Ninjas/reads my mind too much, obviously a bad sign!

Meeple - Is Meeple and has been Meeple and will always be Meeple. Too much rampant speculation though, and Meepleness does not excuse that. Seriously, as I had posted previously in Day 1, running in circles thinking about possible role powers and whatnot is not going to get us anywhere with the guidelines Cid posted. However, he has been active and voted consistently. Also kinda neutral overall.

Shale - Has a RL shield to bar being able to read him too much in Day 1. Please be more active in post content when possible, lest you become an obvious representative of lurkerdom.

Jo'ou Ranbu - Posts way too little, and bothers me in that I don't think he really reads that heavily or carefully before he makes his comments, which ... don't have much substance outside of "yeah this is :psyduck: dumb", insert vague suspicion, that's... it.

Corwin - Started off hard and aggressive but presented a reasonable case that I fully agreed with. Again, Tom's case was so friggin' "what" that I have a hard time seeing OTHERWISE, although we should all do well to avoid tunnel vision. The fact that I agreed strongly with his logic on day 1 bias me somwhat in that regard, but thinking too hard about it, like the lynch in general, is WIFOM and will probably get nowhere.

Ashdla - Also needs to post more strong content in general and push more rather than following whatever seems to be the popular case at the moment. Is much more active than the likes of Snow/Strago though so she does not look quite so bad in this regard. Still.

Excal - Uh, honestly, it kinda makes me blink for a moment that you flew under the radar. I distinctly remember you posting and fairly often but not a whole lot about what you had to say aside from your flabbergastment at OK and Tom. BUt said flabbergastment is, once again, well understood! Such is the arghness of it all.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #194 on: July 03, 2008, 09:58:27 AM »
Oh, and in light of who I think is the most suspicious right now:

##Vote: Strago

That nagging feeling that he's parroting a lot and making vague general accusations of groups of people concerns me the most, on top of the lack of activity.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #195 on: July 03, 2008, 01:16:55 PM »
Current votecount:

Bardiche (1): AndrewRogue
Strago (1): Laggy

With fourteen alive, it takes eight to lynch.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #196 on: July 03, 2008, 02:37:41 PM »
Stolling down the list, we have the support of lynching Carth 'cause, hey. He can't vote.

Lynching Carthrat would get us a netloss of 0 votes, and 1 voice who may or may not be scum. Time and again have I stressed that this is something we can resort to if no other eligible candidates apply. Had this been my intent then surely I'd have pushed for a Carthrat vote due to an absense of, presently, a plethora of really eligible candidates. Let's face it; We're stuck and reaching at straws.

Even so, I haven't yet mentioned again to lynch him; I understand that it is an unforgivable crime to suggest lynching the one that will net us a vote loss of 0 as a Day 1 lynch, but to me, it seemed like a viable enough option if we could not decide who else to vote. Best case scenario, starting a small train on Rat had the potential to see who would actually agree to it, who would disagree, and what arguments either side would use, without needing to actually lynch Rat.

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The other big thing that jumps out at me is that... well. Why didn't you give Tom a final chance to roleclaim? While this isn't always useful, I have to admit a certain curiosity as to why Tom was not given a final chance. Given his earlier comments, I'm not sure what he would have provided or even if he would have just said he couldn't, but it feels... off to have not give him a final go and instead jump straight into the hammer vote. I realize his earlier statements about not being able to say anything, but hearing last words might still have done something.

Would you believe me if I say, "oops, I made a stupid mistake and miscounted the amount of votes Tom had, and hadn't realized my vote was the hammer"? Because uh, that's generally it. It's embarassing to admit, but I could spin a bunch of arguments here why I hammered him, but the simple truth is that I fail basic maths and miscounted the amount of votes tallied against him.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #197 on: July 03, 2008, 03:02:20 PM »
In response to Corwin/Laggy's concerns about my non-voting:

I'll admit I've historically been a bit reluctant to vote as long as I think there is still discussion to be had. Just kinda how I play; if someone wants to convince me I am horribly wrong for doing this, I'll listen and try to change my ways. Until then I'll do what's natural to me. I can still put down a vote to pressure someone, but Tom quickly got that from others anyway, so there was no need for me to jump on the train and push him closer to hammer when I didn't feel it was time for that yet.

Regardless, hopefully I was clear enough about who I was going to vote for if the day had gone on a bit longer (Tom went from 4 votes to lynched pretty quickly, so I didn't really get a chance to get involved with the lateday).

Analysis and such will come tonight, I hope. As mentioned I will be away a lot today.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #198 on: July 03, 2008, 04:35:41 PM »
Blah, not voting isn't a horrifying crime. People should still be searching within your content for slipups instead of HEY YOU VOTED FOR X!! SCUM! Considering how easy it is for uh scum to vote for themselves. At the end of the day I don't feel that voting on something you feel uncomfortable with is advisable, and don't let anyone pressure you into doing otherwise. ^_^

As to why I haven't posted much... well, I am lazy. It's true. I've kind of decided to lay off posting hueg liek XBox posts because well my eye tend to glaze over them big time, but instead of posting I have been playing MM7. I HATE YOU MEEPLE or something.

I think Laggy has a point about Tom too. Frankly, his behavior.... ergh. I really hope that had something to do with his role and not just "Tom needs to be hit in the face with a tire iron". If it is the latter I volunteer.

With that said, it is soooo very easy to let someone who is overzealous and ridiculous dig their grave, which is another reason why votes are relatively eh to me in this situation. I believe that he could have been lynched without a single scum vote going to him due to the behavior.

Anyway, I am still highly displeased with Meeple's content to not shutting up ratio, and it's not just because he is making me play MM7 (grr!). Pretty much everything he's said is just... well, not very helpful! He's also not posting much in general outside of that, which is very obviously not a good thing.

Andrew... ah, good ol' Andrew. His aggressiveness never fails to smart me as smug and scummy, but this is just baseless conjuncture for now. Will see how this develops, of course, though.

Shale... the case that I had on Shale was pretty much summed up by Corwin. "Hey, let's go look at people who voted for these three!" while having no votes on anyone at the end of the day. The statement in general feels like a bit of a baiting, which I definitely don't approve of. Now, as I just said, I don't think not voting alone is a big issue, but the mild... not hypocrisy per se, but not voting and then casting an eye on those who do... well, that's pretty odd at best and scummy at worst.

Snow needs to post more, of course. Not really much to say here except a lack of presence needs to be fixed.

*sigh* at Bard's logic on lynching Rat. Yes, a non-voter dies, but the scum also get an extra kill by this logic. Now come up with a case for Rat possibly being scum instead of RUSSIAN ROULETTE FOR NO REASON other than Rat is useless!! and I might actually follow your train of thought a bit better. As is, no.

Elfboy... well, personally I understand why he didn't vote. It makes sense to let Tom roleclaim fully before just epically destroying him, and he stated his intentions earlier in Day 1, and I don't feel that those intentions were misguided or particularly scummy. He's actually putting stuff out there though, so lack of voting when... well, it was pretty much appropriate isn't ringing bells.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Two: Pobody's Nerfect (In Louisiana)
« Reply #199 on: July 03, 2008, 04:47:45 PM »
Oh, that was supposed to end with

##VOTE: Shale
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