Furthermore, if you were going to use 'unhelpful and uninsighful and parroting' as a basis, there's always... SHALE, who, as Dread Thomas pointed out, has done fuckall for most of the game. His last post was a while ago and did not bring out any case on anyone; whatever suspicion he had seemed light at best. He didn't do much on day one either, except parrot and go through obvious stuff. Picking Andy over Shale here is a weird, weird choice.
Actually, Shale is one of the people I wanted to speak up. The fact that I KNOW he's been around to some extent (I've seen him in chat, for example) has been making me wary. I also noticed that since my defense on him...he hasn't said anything. He hasn't even commented on it. You'd think he'd at least respond to a defense made for him in some manner.
Elfboy was another person in Shale's boat...in fact, felt he was worse to some extent, cause he was MORE active in chat, thus by extension, more available to post. He had at least made a more recent post than Shale before a decently large inactivity phase, so he wasn't gone for quite as long. Granted, he started posting again, so that's good.
Anyway, regarding Andrew...
My issue with Andrew was that I genuinely felt he's not being helpful. His reasons for jumping on Snow were...actually the same as 2 other people, and not too different from why Rat FoS'd him.
Also...Andrew posted once soon after Snow's comment, and even commented on it (in a neutral manner). He didn't vote there. He came in and votes again later, when nothing new regarding Snow had transpired. Suppose this could be seen looking too into it, but also felt that if he genuinely felt that way, he'd have made his vote first. The fact that it came after Laggy and Cor, and is very similar reasoning, and much later, felt a bit off.
Also, its not until Andrew's LAST POST that he finally responded to me, and tried to justify himself. Two posts ago, he takes his vote off Snow (in improper format! So officially, one post ago <.<; ), and in both, all he says is "Snow's defense doesn't work" and "I didn't come back to the 5 people for this reason!"
Like Excal said, if you looked at the 5 people you singled out, and came back with nothing, it would have been nice to actually have made some indicator of some sorts. Instead, feels like you just dropped the issue, and hoped no one would notice. I know Cor was going after some people for not doing what they promised, to some extent anyway, and well, he hasn't mentioned you, which strikes me as odd, cause you fall in nicely with that. Possible Cor/Andrew linkage? Perhaps, but unless one of them flips, there's no way of knowing, so not going to look at stuff like that yet.
It wasn't til his last post that I actually felt real content. The fact that he was participating but not saying a whole lot (like I'm one to talk ._.) felt worse than not appearing at all. The latter can be RL issues, which I'll grant, while fair, can only be used so much (the amount Andrew didn't post for it? I'll let slide. Shale at this point though, its a lot less forgivable.) The latter, though...I believe Smoke Screening is the term? Andrew's been posting, not saying a lot. Yes, I'm bringing the RL thing up again, but I talk about why I bring it up later.
He also made that point earlier of how "just cause Scum know scum doesn't mean they aren't prone to not making mistakes!" comment. That struck me as an odd thing to say; scum making mistakes is the one of the main way people can catch them, outside of Power Roles or dumb luck.
Also, where did I say that my vote on you and the removal were connected? I didn't. I was merely reminding the order of events, so people don't come out and say "he removed his vote though!" Granted...the wording wasn't the greatest, so I can't fault you for thinking that.
And your reason for removing the vote felt weird too. you say Snow's defense doesn't work, and...then you go "I'll give him the benefit of the doubt!" I dunno, just kind of felt weird.
He says I'm lying out of my teeth...um, what? No, I'm not. That's just an accusation and a bit of an over aggressive attack. People said the same thing in Clue Mafia due to a mis-interpretation, two people (both towns) WOULDN'T GIVE UP ABOUT THAT with me...and it cost them the game cause they were blinded on this. I'm not lying at all. Your reasons for Snow's vote weren't very firm to me; again, the main thing is it felt very much training. You say you brought forth reasons...reasons that were more or less the same as that Cor had, who voted long before you did, and your post before Cor indicated you saw what he did.
Also, here's a case where
you bold faced lie in your last post:
Beyond that, you keep bringing up the idea that I'm using RL as an excuse for my posting content.
I didn't say that. What I said was THIS:
You're still talking about game theory more than anything else, I feel. Again, you can blame RL issues as a reason to not post, but its not an excuse to post stuff with minimal content.
Read what it says. The actual meaning is that while you can, and others have, used RL excuses to say "I can't post much", that's fair. However, it was to note that people who post and with little content have no excuse.
I mention the RL thing once earlier, and say you use it to explain lack of presence (which I noted many people did as well, I can't fault you for that, nor do I there), but when you are present, you still aren't doing a lot. THIS is what I meant. You're completely mincing words. You're rehashing the fact that I rehashed something, AND are twisting the words to say something that I didn't say.
So this is why I went after Andrew, and his recent post makes me look more weary at him. He actually is posting, but saying little. This is worse than barely posting at all. For the record, given how long he's been gone, I'd not be opposed to changing my vote to Shale somewhere along the way, but for now, it stays on Andrew, who I feel is worse.
Next off, regarding why I didn't look at Ashe?
She didn't stand out to me as much at the time, and she did post something not long after my vote for you that was filled with content. You...didn't.
I'll admit, she's not quite in the clearing, but she hasn't done some of the other stuff you did like, as I've noted many times, bring up a case, and then nearly drop it almost as though you had completely forgotten its existence, for example (as Excal is quick to point out.)
The last thing I have to say, and I apologize for the post size...
And his vote on me feels OMGUS! Lets look at it!
In case its not clear. First and foremost, I feel that you are exaggerating and purposefully misreading my posts to interpret them in a decidedly unfavorable manner, especially in regards to my votes and unvotes. Further, you continue to rehash something that I'm not actually doing (which is to say, blaming RL for my content, when I simply provided for my day one and correct Laggy regarding what I was saying).
This statement alone, he's talking nothing about my actions against him. Nowhere does he give another reason. That followed by...
Combine this with my earlier misgivings about you and the day one rolefishing, and I've seen enough to finally feel justified in really going after you.
Wait...when did you have misgivings about my role fishing? You don't mention this once in the entire topic (at least, I didn't see it). Feels like you needed another reason to help secure your vote as something not just OMGUS, and you pull that out. It just happens to be very similar to the reason Tai voted against me, so really feels like a forced reason that you didn't actually have until you conveniently needed it.
