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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Three: Spoon of the Wratherisms!
« Reply #450 on: July 10, 2008, 06:06:41 PM »
Well, I sure hope we will.

- LYLO and/or potential LYLO will be announced.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Three: Spoon of the Wratherisms!
« Reply #451 on: July 10, 2008, 06:14:41 PM »
Me read good. <_< Thanks.

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« Reply #452 on: July 10, 2008, 07:10:10 PM »
Still no sign of Tom? I'm half-ready to hammer Snow simply because this game's never going to get anywhere if someone doesn't.

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« Reply #453 on: July 10, 2008, 07:16:06 PM »
I think it's night there.  Looking in Tom's post history he usualy gets to post around 5pmPST-8amPST (which starts about 6 hours from now).  We may be in for a wait if we want to stick it out.  I do want to hear from Tom, but frankly not at the cost of dragging this day out to heck and back.  I really wish he would have posted last night.  I leave it up to those with unused votes whether it's that important to you.  Frankly, I'm all for ending the day at this point. 
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« Reply #454 on: July 10, 2008, 07:23:00 PM »
Hearing words from someone who is confirmed town and thus, is guaranteed to say what he does in favor of town takes precende, to me, over ending the day quickly.

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« Reply #455 on: July 10, 2008, 07:26:06 PM »
Shale, are you still planning to make another post today? I'm willing to wait for that, or for anyone else who wants to contribute; dragging the day out just for Tom, less so. Pretty much the opposite opinion of Bard. (My reasoning is that we can try to glean scumitude from in-game players' posts, as well as getting their thoughts; with Tom, we only get the latter.)

Also stating once more for the record that I am very willing to hammer Snow, and I really hope whoever ends up not doing so between Strago or I doesn't get victimised by "wah you didn't vote!" tomorrow.

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« Reply #456 on: July 10, 2008, 07:27:32 PM »

My point still stands. You're saying we should start focusing, and prod the people who haven't seen fit to talk yet, even though you've hardly talked at all. You're coming in, and talking in a way as if you do not at all belong to that category. During the second day, posts like these made it feel as if you were actually present, and in the heat of the discussion, combined with your attitude, I honestly overlooked that you were lurking. You'll have to forgive me for being paranoid of others.

Yeah, can't blame you for that one.  I have a bad habit of a) not realising when I'm not posting much, and b) getting hung up really easily in a preference for contemplation over actual posting, which means that most of my time spent on the game never actually gets shown here.  Not to mention, when I'm legitimatly busy, I do not feel like I'm lurking because there are not large chunks of time where I could be posting but I am not.


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You're not seeing the point I tried to make. The point I was trying to make is that you aren't really active, but at the same time hold an attitude and compose yourself as though you always have been, related to your "scum will attempt to blend in and hope to give off the vibe of being there. That's what I get from you.

Yeah, see above.  I don't usually notice that my post count has gone down when I'm busy until someone points it out.

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Because you haven't really added anything during neither Day 2 nor now Day 3. You weren't there for most of Day 2, and when you posted it was vague and lacking any original content, save for such ample amounts it's negligable, to me. You've been riding on other's trains for that day, and now in day 3, you jump on the Snow train with ample justification, place a vote regardless (trying to get an early hammer on him so you won't need to justify it? idk) and consequently still haven't backed that vote up. The least you could do is at least provide sound reasoning for day 3 cases and start contributing to that day.

Again, this may be playstyle differences, but it comes off as suspicious to me. I don't think it wrong of me to want to ask you for some justification and give you a good look.

These points I give you.  I have been bad at noticing things others have not, it's a large part of why I haven't been posting that much when I do have free time.  Because most of the things I have to say have already been said.  (I'd also like to point out that when it came to Snow I was the first vote on him, so that's hardly riding a train.  Though Meeple I give you)  I also wasn't expecting an early lynch, not with the way this game is going, but I wouldn't mind it given the way people seem to have a pathological fear of lynching around here.  I'd also like to point out that the only way that post, with that little meat on it, wouldn't have gotten me flak come day 4 is if Snow is actually scum.

Second point, since I do recall there being an issue brought up later in regards to my views on Andy.  That is in fact how I play the game.  I have everyone at a background level of whether or not I think they're scummy.  And when I post regarding my thoughts, I will occasionally make reference to that.  However, if I cannot back it up with posts or evidence, then I will back off for the time being or revise my thoughts.

Finally, I don't mind you calling me out.  That's part of the game and something that happens eventually.  Honestly, you look a good sight less suspicious now that you're calling for my head than you did before.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Three: Spoon of the Wratherisms!
« Reply #457 on: July 10, 2008, 07:28:17 PM »
Extra post for greater emphasis!

Mind giving me some time to whip up some real thoughts on why I voted for snow?

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« Reply #458 on: July 10, 2008, 07:37:11 PM »
Posting to say that given the lack of Tom seeming to be around I really don't care if hammer drops now or later at this point. Day's gone long enough, etc. seconding people's sentiments.
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« Reply #459 on: July 10, 2008, 07:41:09 PM »
Shale, are you still planning to make another post today? I'm willing to wait for that, or for anyone else who wants to contribute; dragging the day out just for Tom, less so. Pretty much the opposite opinion of Bard. (My reasoning is that we can try to glean scumitude from in-game players' posts, as well as getting their thoughts; with Tom, we only get the latter.)
I am, yeah, it's just the whole "doing work" part of work interfering. I had an hour-and-a-half staff meeting after my last post, and I've got another one coming up shortly. I've been working on it in-between those.
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« Reply #460 on: July 10, 2008, 07:45:49 PM »
Still calling for hammer to stay its hand... We've got a Shale post, an Excal post (who also has to defend against Rat) and a Tom post pending. Shale and Excal should at least be able to post something meaningful for the game forsofar as concluding their alignment goes.

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« Reply #461 on: July 10, 2008, 07:54:06 PM »
Yep, definitely. There's enough to stay it for now.

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« Reply #462 on: July 10, 2008, 08:17:50 PM »
Yeah, I see the Rat post, but unless I suddenly end up replacing Snow as the lynchee of note, that's not a terribly pressing matter at present.  Now, as for Snow.

He's good at seeming reasonable when he actually talks, but that's fairly neutral.  Now, looking at what he's talked about.  His one Day 1 post basically was an attempt to toss out names without actually participating, making him the only person without a vote who I actually find suspicious.  All the more so since both of the other folks without votes made a note of who they intended to vote for first.

Then, on Day 2 he follows up with his now infamous attack on Bard coupled with his suicide plea.  I'll skip all of the jumping around he did after the fact, seeing as I didn't notice that until Shale was kind enough to point that out on the last page.

Now, Day 3 is the interesting bit.  Let's start with the lesser of the two evils, which would be the return of his fatalistic tendancies.  He's not only playing the pity card again now that he's back in trouble, but he seems to be revelling in causing grief for his detractors, as well as focussing most of his vitriol against them.  This is mildly troublesome, however, it isn't the main thing that concerns me.

The main thing that concerns me is his role blocking of Rat, and the fact that what he's said about it does not add up.

Now, let's be fair.  Day 3 isn't the only time Snow's shown a good deal of suspicion of the Rat, and then gone after Shale with little to no other reason than "he's not here".  Let's take a look at this Day 2 quote.

Now, the one person that still consistently bothers me for the general sum is the rodent. I can't shake off the feeling that he is hiding something under his sleeve with the no-voting issue, and I can't help but feel he's getting too comfortable with the sudden freedom he seems to get with it. Call it metagaming, but his situation is pretty oddball in and out of itself, and the idea of a role only having this sudden, crippling drawback and no sort of compensation, either on alignment or underlying power, doesn't seem right. Coupled with his usual aggroness -and- the knowledge on how poorly it works for town in the DL Mafia environment, this sets me off particularly badly.

But this is just food for thought. I guess that I'll just go with what seems more immediately worrying now. Since unwanted roles have managed to get under the radar for excess lurking time and again, and I think his absence has reached the point of insufferable by now...

##VOTE: Shale

So, that's prior confirmation that Snow not only thought Rat was scummy, but also that seeming scummy but present is worth less than seeming scummy by being unable to be present.  Now, I'm sure you're all wondering, but doesn't this provide the case against Rat that makes the roleblock on him make sense?

Hells no.

It highlights that Snow's main concern with Shale is that he's a scum with a valuable power role to make up for the fact that he isn't being misleading.  If anything, if he was being honest in that post, then his target should have been Shale.  But let's assume that Snow thought that any scum power Rat had had to be better than what Shale could possibly have.  I mean, he does have to give up his vote for it, right?  Well, that's still a bad reason, because, hey.  One of the possible boons he listed for Rat is simply that he is, in fact, scum.  And there was the chance that his power might well give the scum an extra vote on the table.  So, odds were that gunning for Rat might not just provide the scum a benefit, but also do so while not doing anything detrimental to them to balance that out in any way, shape, or form.  And this is what we're comparing to Shale, the person Snow voted for twice because he suspected the guy was a scum power role.

It does not add up, does not compute, and makes him look the worst of the candidates we have at the moment.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Three: Spoon of the Wratherisms!
« Reply #463 on: July 10, 2008, 08:31:01 PM »
Okay, we've heard from Excal. I'm leaving for work in a few minutes, will be back around 6:30 PST / 9:30 in Shale-land, which should certainly give him enough time to say his piece. I'll drop the hammer then unless the day has already ended or I see a very compelling reason not to.

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« Reply #464 on: July 10, 2008, 08:46:27 PM »
Works for me.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Three: Spoon of the Wratherisms!
« Reply #465 on: July 11, 2008, 01:42:08 AM »
Okay, so. Excal I tend to agree with on Snow, and in general he's been low-presence but not terrible, with good RL reasons for lowish post count assuming he's not lying through his teeth.

Day 1: Not much content.

Day 2: Takes some stands and defends them, but in general pretty briefly.

Also, I'd like to take a moment and focus suspicion on Snow.  Looking back at Day 1, he not only has the benefit of being one of the three people who didn't vote, but in one post he lays down a finger of suspicion on both OK and Tom.  This is at the point in the day when they were both viable lynch targets and the OK train hadn't jumped over to Tom.  The especially telling thing is that the third person he considers in his post is Deltaflyer, but dismisses him and then when it comes time to consider posting he names Rat as the third leg in the tripod, despite the fact that Rat was his joke vote which he dropped going into that post, and that he does not make any mention of Rat before that in the post.

Later, this:

Snow comes next.  My original vote on him was as much a mark to get attention tossed his way as anything else, and as he continued to look bad, I felt better and better about leaving that vote there.  However, to be honest, by the time I left on Friday, I was getting iffy about leaving that vote there, and the only thing that's kept it there so far is his explosion.  Given that that has resolved in a way I can accept, I'm happy with moving away from him for the time being.

........

##Unvote: Snow, ##Vote: Meeple

So, in the same breath you say he continued to get worse over time, and that resolving an issue that only flared up after that point was enough for you to take your vote off of him. This doesn't add up to me. Not enough to say you look worse than Snow, but it's in the same vein as his vote-jumping.

Carthrat: I still cringe at the "rolefishing" comment from Day 1 every time I reread his posts, but as I've said before I can't begrudge him being a bit testy about his role. His Day 1 arguments against OK and Tom and for leaving Delta alone all make sense to me and are well fleshed-out. After that, his play has been solid, and I don't really see anything to call out. If he's scum, he's playing a very good game. The one exception is his antagonism of Taishyr, which is....eeuuuuuuurgh, understandable I guess, but at minimum it didn't help us any.

Strago: Hardcore lurkage on Day 1, but makes up for it later on. Put some thought into the cases he made on Day 2 and 3, in general not a lot I can smack him with other than spotty presence.

The only one of those I'm really feeling as a case is Excal, and even then Snow looks worse. I'm prepared to drop the hammer if nobody else has anything to say soon.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Three: Spoon of the Wratherisms!
« Reply #466 on: July 11, 2008, 02:29:15 AM »
Sorry, just woke up. Didn't want to post too early, left it to too late.

Today has been a bit weird to get clear reads.
To those at the end of yesterday re: me being confirmed town: no I wasn't being arrogant, I was emphasising that I'm speaking honestly, not saying that I'm always right.

Rat seems to be cleared as not having a vote and no other powers. He might be the unnacounted NK. Keep it in mind for later.

There's still people flying heavily under the radar, which is annoying. Shale has talked more which is good. I was calling him and Strago out earlier, they're both talking.

Bard is giving me town vibes.

Elf is still unreadable to me, 'cos I don't know him.

Juon Rambo - see above, but there's more reason to axe him I guess. I'd support it.

Excal: Some people have been gunning for his lynch, possible to divert suspicion from themselves. I'd look at them after an excal flip. Excal himself? His flip would be revealing.

Let people claim before they get lynched!

Laggy: Don't like his snarkyness. Makes him hard to read & is unhelpful.

Andrew: Unusually quiet for the Rogue

Corwin: fairly town-ish. Not solid though.


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Forgive me if any of these are odd, I just woke up & haven't had time to review. I want to get this out there in case a hammer happens.

Sorry there's not much there, I didn't get much out of today with the modkills etc.

GL!

PS: Just in case - ##Vote: Andrew - just testing

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Three: Spoon of the Wratherisms!
« Reply #467 on: July 11, 2008, 02:32:54 AM »
Okay. As I don't see any chance that today is going to end with anything but a Snow lynch, it's time to get this out of the way. Discussion of all non-Snow targets can and will continue tomorrow. Tom even got his bit in, so I no longer see any reason to hold back. Day has certainly been long enough.

##Vote: Snow

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Three: Spoon of the Wratherisms!
« Reply #468 on: July 11, 2008, 02:42:15 AM »
Final votecount:

Bardiche (0): Laggy
Laggy (0): AndrewRogue
Excal (1): Strago
Shale (0): Laggy, Jo'ou Ranbu, Carthrat
JR (6): Corwin, Carthrat, QuietRain, Excal, Laggy, Elfboy
Andrew (1): Jo'ou

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"Go ahead and kill me already. Just get it over with!" Count Vertigo howled. This earned him mostly sidelong glances. A few people stepped away, discreetly. Even for a team called Suicide Squad, this kind of deathwish was pushing it.

Someone in the crowd spoke up: "That's what you said yesterday, man, and then you changed your mind. Are you -absolutely sure- that you want us to kill you this time?"

The count stopped and considered this for a moment. "You know," Vertigo began, "I think I've actually--"

He didn't get to finish the sentence. Supremely irritated, one of his comrades pulled a gun and put an end to Vertigo's existential crisis at long last. When it was over, the crowd rifled through his possessions, then went to his cell and searched it thoroughly. They found a cross on a silver chain, a variety of behavior-modifying drugs Vertigo clearly hadn't been taking, and a surprising number of Sylvia Plath collections...but no evidence that he was in on the conspiracy.

A strange one he might have been, but he was not their enemy.


Jo'ou Ranbu--Count Vertigo, AKA Werner Vertigo (Town Roleblocker)--was lynched!

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It is now night three. Get those night actions in, people!
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Three: Spoon of the Wratherisms!
« Reply #469 on: July 11, 2008, 04:45:02 PM »
Something curious happened on the third night. Sometime past 1AM, the lights flickered briefly, as though something had temporarily monopolized the prison's electricity. The following morning, a thorough investigation determined that someone had wiped the prison's computer banks, though whether this had any practical effect on the team's chances for survival was not apparent.

The search also determined that two more team members had been killed:

The one known as Excal was found mysteriously crushed beneath the wreckage of a 1974 Dodge Monaco. There was no indication of how the car got inside his cell, or what its disagreement was with the anonymous German athlete.

The other victim was an outsider, though one that, judging by her scrawled journal, had apparently been trying to help the team (if for her own reasons). The fact that her efforts hadn't turned up any of the conspirators suggested that her efforts had been less than successful...


Excal--Javelin, AKA Real Name Unknown (Town Illinois Nazi)--was killed overnight!

AndrewRogue--Black Thorn, AKA Elizabeth Thorne (Town Lyncher/Vigilante)--was killed overnight!

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It is now day four...and LYLO.

With eight alive, it takes five to lynch. There is no deadline.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Four: Don't Try Suicide (Just Gonna Hate It)
« Reply #470 on: July 11, 2008, 05:04:09 PM »
Arghleaaaaaaaargh.

Okay, cards on the table, such as they are. I am Oracle, AKA post-Batgirl Barbara Gordon. Not a villain, but one of DC's premier hackers and occasionally hired on as part of the Suicide Squad. Last night I used my only power, which is to hit the "Delete" button on Belle Reve's databases. I have no idea what effect this may have, but I was hoping it might undo one of our many cockups over the past two and a half days. Doesn't look like it, sadly.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Four: Don't Try Suicide (Just Gonna Hate It)
« Reply #471 on: July 11, 2008, 05:11:20 PM »
Er, three and a half. I think I wiped Day 1 from my memory as a defense mechanism.

Anyway. My suspects list is now everyone who isn't me, and I'm going to need more time than I've got at work to look them over. I'll post when I can.
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« Reply #472 on: July 11, 2008, 05:40:55 PM »
NOTE - all of the below speculation is for the pure purpose of mathing things out. As of right now I'm not comfortable pointing fingers at either Rat or Bardiche in terms of their alignment; however, since both of their powers directly affect LYLO and scumhammer margin, I want to see how this works out. Again, this is not presuming either are scum, just seeing how the math works out -if- either/both are.

If Rat is scum and Bardiche is not:

* Scum can't scumhammer unless at least two townies target another townie or Bardiche votes on a townie. There's 8 alive and 5 to lynch, which would mean there's 4 scum, including Rat. (Scum still wins if we mislynch a townie, since it goes down to 7 alive and 4 scum and the NK makes up for Rat.) Or, possibly, there's 5 scum total (w/ Rat) and it works out to be the standard instant scumhammer situation, but if of the eight alive five are scum, I'm going to facepalm a lot when this is over.

If Bardiche is scum and Rat is not:

* We've already lost, unless LYLO is taking into account the extra voteweight (which means there'd only be 3 scum, Bardiche + 2 others for a total of 4 votes). Which... it must be, since the game isn't over. So if for some reason you're convinced Bardiche is scum, there can only be two other scumbuddies with him.

If BOTH are scum:

* Rat and Bardiche cancel each other. Same basic situation where if any townie votes on a townie, though.

That got a whole lotta nowhere.

As to my own role, I am Nightshade, aka Eve Eden. I am a Shadow; I have the ability to vanish from the game during the night phase, which will cause me to disappear for the entirety of the next day with no explanation. The only real advantage to this is that I can avoid being targeted by night actions on the night I disappear; drawbacks are obvious, moreso in that my disappearance changes the number of votes needed for a lynch, and thus LYLO/scum victory. I did not see this role as useful throughout the entire game and so have not bothered using it. (Probably beats Rat's role though. Voteless with no other perks!!)

Now on to speculation. LYLO, no scum caught yet, everyone is suspicious, etc.

Andy's suspicions of me on "being cautious" of power roles suddenly makes more sense when he was in fact the town vig. (And lyncher? Isn't that... a third party role?)

Re: Corwin, as I said yesterday, I was going to expect a good deal of explanation from you if Snow's flip turned out not to be scum.

Right now rather than relying on my hunches I am going to thoroughly spend some time looking at the vote record and trying to draw analysis from there. Given that town's train of thoughts (and my own) have lead to nary a scum net yet, I am a little apprehensive about going on current impressions and would prefer a more thorough overview.
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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Four: Don't Try Suicide (Just Gonna Hate It)
« Reply #473 on: July 11, 2008, 06:19:21 PM »
We're in LYLO, are we?

Due to that and my mistake in going after the scummy-seeming JR, I'll claim as well.

I am Amanda Waller, affectionately known as The Wall. I'm apparently ruling over you guys with an iron fist, the whole nine yards. All I know is what my PM and wiki tell me, but I apparently hate the lot of you guys and it is mutual, and I don't tolerate disagreements from all you criminals under my command. I suppose it might seem that my playing style has been slightly affected by my role as well, but there was actually another, much better reason for it.

I'm effectively bullet-proof. That is my role, and I hoped to draw a NK as a result of being so in-your-face that the scum would panic. Sadly, there were no takers (I asked the mods if I'd be told of a failed NK attempt on me, and none happened) so clearly either our vig decided not to kill one night or his/the scum's hit was blocked in some way.

My theories for who would have been scum had JR flipped scum? Well, they're pretty much useless, now, but to give an example: I believed it would implicate Rat due to the way they seemed to have played off each other, and then the way Rat jumped on the train. Had JR been scum, it seemed like a move designed to gain town cred. Plus I'm naturally suspicious of people who appear to talk too much like me, it has always been the case.

My suspects for now, at the start of the day? DHE, pretty much. He feels off with his defensiveness whenever I would ask him something, and the wait pre-hammer was just strange. I'll do it! I will! I really will! Just seemed weird.

Andrew was to be my other suspect due to mainly going about game logic, lurking and the jump on Laggy I didn't truly agree with. He also had lots of votes/unvotes for reasons I didn't truly buy but, erm, he's now gone and stuff.

Who else? I don't subscribe to the Excal push, content really does matter and he's not the worst offender at this lurking thing. Don't think there's anything too scummy about Bardiche, aside from his confrontational attitude, and I don't really care about that (if he were all giving up, that'd be a different thing).

Shale and Laggy's posted with claims, and their powers do feel strange enough to have that note of the genuine. I would like to have everyone claim. Scum hide behind lies, and getting things out into the open leaves them with little space to do so. There is absolutely no reason to abstain; even if some would think I had a way of drawing a scum hit tonight if we mislynched today, relying on that sort of luck is pretty stupid, and if scum can manage to drive a train on me, I can't well get NK'd afterwards and we lose right there.

So yeah, there'll be more from me. More detailed thoughts on others once I compare their claims with their previous posts/behavior are a given. And Laggy, if there is anything is particular you would like to know, ask away. I've accepted that in the very unlikely chance I was wrong, I would get in trouble, and I still took the chance since I was very sure. It's not something I intend to run away from or brush away.

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Re: Suicide Squad Mafia, Day Four: Don't Try Suicide (Just Gonna Hate It)
« Reply #474 on: July 11, 2008, 06:49:11 PM »
It would come as little surprise that the part of the previous post dealing with my suspects was written in advance, post-day 3 flip. I adjusted it for Andrew to use past tense as I posted, but didn't do it for Excal for some reason. I have no excuse.