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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #50 on: April 17, 2008, 01:36:22 AM »
Would he have made the playoffs if they didn't trade for Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen?


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Arguably!
Al Jefferson and Rajon Rondo have both improved a fair degree, and they'd have Jeff Green, who I think is a solid bench player. Pierce was injured for a big chunk of last season, so I that gives them a few games by itself..........
........Yeah, they'd probably have the 8 spot, I'd wager.

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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #51 on: April 17, 2008, 04:18:29 AM »
Kinda iffy if you ask me.  Sure, they won a game where all of the Big 3 sat out, but they would have a have time winning 15 more games this year. 

Actually, forgot they'd still have Jefferson.  Jefferson/Pierce might have been good for a 7-8 seed in the East, although LOL at Pierce knowing that at the time.

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« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2008, 11:50:20 PM »
The Celtics went 5-2 over the 7-game stretch that KG was injured.  I think you can still attribute that to his, and Tom Thibodeau's, defensive ethic, though.  I think if Rondo was gonna get as better as he got this year either way, there's a good chance the Celtics would've made the playoffs.  I mean, if they'd won 25 less games this year, they'd still have made 6th seed.  Since last year's abysmal record was due in large part to Pierce being injured for a good chunk of the season (and keeping in mind they thought they'd get a decent lottery pick, which they didn't), that wasn't too much to hope for.

The question I ask is, if they HAD gotten a #1 or #2, or even 3 or 4 pick, how would things have played out?  I have to think if they'd been luckier in the lottery, their short-term success via the nuclear option wouldn't have materialized.
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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2008, 12:29:57 AM »
I'm vaguely sure they were more likely than not to land a #1 or #2 pick, and instead they got screwed all the way down to 4. Even if they had a #3 pick, they'd have scored Horford. Oddly, they'd have probably only missed the playoffs if they drafted Oden, but I think they'd have made it if they got Durant or Horford in the draft. With Jefferson still on the team, anyhow.

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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #54 on: April 18, 2008, 11:18:09 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/19/sports/basketball/19knicks.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=login

quicker than I expected

"[Thomas] will remain with the team, but will have no title and no direct reports."

why didn't he just say he wanted to spend more time with his family?
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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2008, 04:21:19 AM »
That 7-2 stretch is pretty sketch..

Wolves/Heat/Clippers/Pacers/Knicks is a pretty fluffy schedule.
Home wins against Dallas/Spurs is... respectable at least, although Dallas is a LOSING road team and the Spurs are barely .500.

At least the 2 losses, on the road against Cavs/Magic were legit.  All in all though, they didn't win an impressive game on that stand.  (Maayyybbe Spurs, but at home any .500 team is expected to win 2/3+ anyway.) They simply beat teams they should have beat and lost to some decent teams on the road.

Would they be playoff bound without Garnett?  In the East, yes easily.  Would they be even the slighest bit of threat to even make it to the finals?  No.

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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2008, 02:11:13 PM »
Ha ha eat shit Detroit.

Also eat shit Kobe, Gasol is the true MVP.

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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #57 on: April 21, 2008, 09:42:58 PM »
This illustrates a point I went and E-mailed the Pistons and Kenny Smith over:

The Pistons are not lazy; they do not have bench scoring.

Q)Why do the Pistons sometimes have off games or games where it looks like they just can't produce?
A)They're lazy
A)They don't have a guard or small forward they can bring off the bench and put up a bunch of points.

Phoenix: Bell and Nash get low on scoring, Bell still has his defense, and Nash still has his playmaking, but Barbosa comes off the bench and gives them a huge boost. He's there every night and can score

San Antonio: Weird case, because Ginobili comes off the bench. But if he's cold or Tony Parker is cold, they step up with Finley or Barry and put up some points.

LA: Kobe or Fish have an off night? Vujacic and Farmar each chip in about 10 points a night. They can increase this production between the two.

Utah: Not really a guard, but it's no surprise that this team turned around as soon as they picked up Kyle Korver. Korver can come off the bench and put up a lot of points in a hurry, and that takes pressure off of the starters.

New Orleans: They didn't have much of a bench, but two big players for them are Pargo and Wells. What do they have in common? They can get a bunch of points in a hurry.

Dallas: Jet, anyone?

And finally
Detroit has no one. Billups gets cold? The entire load has to be picked up by Hamilton. Hamilton goes cold? Billups has to do everything. DETROIT "FALLS ASLEEP" IN GAMES BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FIREPOWER IN THEIR BENCH. They have good players on their bench, but unless one of them gets really, really hot, they're not going to lift the team up when the team desperately needs a boost. This is a problem that will continue to haunt Detroit, unless they sign someone in the off season who can come up big for them. It is the only exploitable hole in the Detroit team.

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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2008, 01:26:07 AM »
Anyone want to take bets on how long until Flip Saunders is out of a job?

EDIT: Hahaha, figures the Pistons would choose this half to finally start playing like a 59 win team.  On the other hand, I'm not remotely convinced that they're a viable title contender this year, and I think anything short of a title will call for a shakeup of some sorts for this Pistons team.  It's easier to change the coach then the players, and Flip Saunders hasn't impressed as a playoff coach.
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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #59 on: May 04, 2008, 03:45:46 AM »
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What the fuck, Celtics?
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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #60 on: May 04, 2008, 06:49:17 AM »
Uh, is it normal for the second round of the playoffs to start before the first round is technically finished?  Saw Detroit and Orlando playing today, and the Celtics/Hawks series doesn't end until tomorrow.

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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #61 on: May 04, 2008, 06:51:28 AM »
In most sports no, but I think the NBA makes an exception because its playoff season borders on the eternal as it is.
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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #62 on: May 04, 2008, 12:09:58 PM »
Come on, New Orleans. YOU have to beat the fucking Spurs, and do it in 4 games, because they play the most boring goddamn basketball I've ever seen.

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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #63 on: May 04, 2008, 11:13:28 PM »
Foul. Cleveland exists.

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« Reply #64 on: May 04, 2008, 11:14:49 PM »
Maybe he's just never seen Cleveland play?  Which he should be thankful for, if that's the case. >_>

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« Reply #65 on: May 04, 2008, 11:17:25 PM »
Cleveland has Lebron, and he's usually good for a spectacular play or two a game. But San Antonio has Parker and Ginobili, who do way more of that stuff between the two of them. (In the playoffs, Duncan's good for several, too.)

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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #66 on: May 05, 2008, 11:17:32 AM »
Cleveland has been to the playoffs twice now. The Spurs make it every year and I am sick of it. Cleveland ALSO has the excuse of being in the Eastern Conference, so I'm not saying "God damn it, Cleveland made the playoffs instead of X."

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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #67 on: May 06, 2008, 09:44:09 PM »
We all mourned for Golden State.

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« Reply #68 on: May 08, 2008, 12:04:07 AM »
Speaking of the most boring goddamned basketball ever, Celtics beat the Cavs 76-72, with James so hot he matched the shot output of 2 of the Celtics' big three.  Which is to say he went 2/18 from the field, matching Pierce (2/14) and Allen (0/4)'s efforts.  (Allen broke an ~850 game scoring streak).  I couldn't swear to it, but with 12 points and 10 turnovers, James may have been responsible for negative points.

Doc Rivers put it best, "It looked like the Knicks-Heat series for about 20 minutes out there."
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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #69 on: May 08, 2008, 09:55:17 AM »
Boston keeps this up, I don't think they can even make the NBA championship.

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« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2008, 01:13:00 PM »
The problem with Boston is that it got its regular season record from playing great D.  Other teams can do that too, they just don't bother until the postseason.  People have an inflated view of how good Boston is, in other words, because they've been putting in that effort all season.  They can make the finals, but it won't be easy.
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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #71 on: May 20, 2008, 09:53:46 PM »
This is interesting, is everyone here hoping for the matchup of Celtics vs. Lakers? Or is there a select few that rather have another snoozefest in SA vs. DET.

Because if its the latter, might as well put a blanket on me and wake me next November. But I would also be fine with Celtics vs. Spurs if only it was a way that it showed the 'changing of the guard'.

Anyway, Game 1 of the East Finals is tonight and I'm going to root for Boston...(I have no qualms with them like I do with Detroit)

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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #72 on: May 20, 2008, 10:11:41 PM »
How the hell is gasol the mvp? That team aint shit without kobe. I wanted the Phoenix Suns to win it all, but they got bounced out of the first round. Steve Nash deserves a championship. The Suns have had the best team for years, they just can't play defense. I hope the Celtics win it all, Ray Allen is the man.
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Re: NBA 2007-2008
« Reply #73 on: May 21, 2008, 02:24:02 AM »
So, the draft lottery went down, and here's the pick order:

1: Chicago
2: Miami
3: Minnesota
4: Seattle (or Oklahoma City, you fucks)
5: Memphis
6: New York
7: LA Clippers
8: Milwaukee
9: Charlotte
10: New Jersey
11: Indiana
12: Sacramento
13: Portland (dammit!)
14: Golden State (dammit!)

The two teams that would have been in the playoffs in the East get the last picks, and here I was hoping for them to get a couple of golden bullets.

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« Reply #74 on: May 21, 2008, 03:12:30 AM »
God DAMN but this gives Chicago some options.

They can take Beasley and have that legit low-post guy they've been craving for YEARS, and not look like idiots.
They can take Rose and trade Hinrich (or not trade him!) and not look like idiots. (Rose is apparently from Chicago...)

I should have never stopped loving this team.