Author Topic: Movies (Read 308862 times)

Hunter Sopko · « **Reply #2500 on:** January 02, 2016, 09:53:18 PM »

Apparantly the canon reason for the crossguard is that it's not really a crossguard. The crystal Ren used to make his lightsaber is flawed/cracked, which causes it to be unstable (hence the wavering edge instead of a perfect beam), and the crossguard acts as a shunt for excess energy and the flaws in the crystal.

Not sure why he used a flawed one, but whatevs. It's Kylo Ren.

Sierra · « **Reply #2501 on:** January 02, 2016, 09:59:43 PM »

The unstable nature of the blade is a pretty apt visual suggestion of its wielder's temperament, I'll grant that much.

Anthony Edward Stark · « **Reply #2502 on:** January 02, 2016, 10:13:27 PM »

I presume that, in the period where the Republic was downsizing its military, Lando bought their biggest battleship and converted it into a mobile pleasure palace. Lando ain't got time for your shit.

Cmdr_King · « **Reply #2503 on:** January 02, 2016, 10:22:48 PM »

Doubling as the secret base from which he conducts the galaxy-wide hunt for his missing son.*

*To be clear there's no actual information suggesting Finn is Lando's son or anything. I just hope he is.

Hunter Sopko · « **Reply #2504 on:** January 02, 2016, 10:30:00 PM »

Quote from: Anthony Edward Stark on January 02, 2016, 10:13:27 PM

I presume that, in the period where the Republic was downsizing its military, Lando bought their biggest battleship and converted it into a mobile pleasure palace. Lando ain't got time for your shit.

I wouldn't doubt it. Lando did stupider things with Republic capital ships in the EU (Nomad City anyone?)

Fenrir · « **Reply #2505 on:** January 02, 2016, 10:44:20 PM »

Cid you can't ask the movie to stand on its own then ask for more of the only non-returning major character at the same time

Anthony Edward Stark · « **Reply #2506 on:** January 02, 2016, 11:23:07 PM »

Quote from: Cmdr_King on January 02, 2016, 10:22:48 PM

Doubling as the secret base from which he conducts the galaxy-wide hunt for his missing son.*

*To be clear there's no actual information suggesting Finn is Lando's son or anything. I just hope he is.

"Hello there kids, I'm Lando Calrissian!"
"My momma said my daddy's name is Lando Calrissian."
"Hey, my momma said that too!"
"...Hush up, little girl... lotta cats have that name."

Sierra · « **Reply #2507 on:** January 03, 2016, 01:24:20 AM »

Quote from: Fenrir on January 02, 2016, 10:44:20 PM

Cid you can't ask the movie to stand on its own then ask for more of the only non-returning major character at the same time

Did that really look like a serious post.

Fenrir · « **Reply #2508 on:** January 03, 2016, 01:28:44 AM »

To someone who haven't watched old Star Wars in 15 years and only vaguely remember Lando, yes!
He's not Jar Jar? He might have fans?

Sierra · « **Reply #2509 on:** January 03, 2016, 03:50:42 AM »

I actually do like Lando but wouldn't seriously suggest TFA would be improved by even more callbacks.

If I use too many words in a post then I probably am trying to make a real case for something, because it remains my sincere hope that there's no problem in the world that can't be solved by just throwing enough paragraphs at it. But if I drop two lines then it's pretty safe to assume I'm being flippant.

Grefter · « **Reply #2510 on:** January 03, 2016, 05:57:56 AM »

Lando is Billy D Williams in a cape. Yeah he has fans, the same way Prince does.

Cotigo · « **Reply #2511 on:** January 03, 2016, 09:20:53 AM »

I had two friends have a drunken shouting argument at Thanksgiving about which one of them was a bigger fan of Lando so yeah gonna be honest I just kinda took Cid's comment at face value

Shale · « **Reply #2512 on:** January 03, 2016, 12:26:04 PM »

I feel like the beginning of the movie is the exact right mix of ANH nostalgia with actual creativity - Finn and Poe's side starts with a very familiar setup but flips the script quickly, while Rey is reminiscent of how Luke started out but with very few salient details in common. It's only once they leave Jakku that the balance swings too far in that direction.

Also, for my part I don't object at all to the OT characters still being around and important. It's just the rehashed plot points I don't like. So bring on Lando in Episode VIII, just not in an obvious parallel to Cloud City.

Fenrir · « **Reply #2513 on:** January 03, 2016, 01:13:06 PM »

Quote from: El Cideon on January 03, 2016, 03:50:42 AM

I actually do like Lando but wouldn't seriously suggest TFA would be improved by even more callbacks.

If I use too many words in a post then I probably am trying to make a real case for something, because it remains my sincere hope that there's no problem in the world that can't be solved by just throwing enough paragraphs at it. But if I drop two lines then it's pretty safe to assume I'm being flippant.

You weren't serious about hiring prostitutes every tuesday when you talked about it that one time?

Sierra · « **Reply #2514 on:** January 03, 2016, 02:10:33 PM »

It's not every Tuesday.

Quote from: Shale on January 03, 2016, 12:26:04 PM

Also, for my part I don't object at all to the OT characters still being around and important.

Yeah, to be clear, it isn't the fact of returning characters in and of itself that I have a problem with, it's that the specific actors doing it aren't any fun to watch (whereas the younger ones at least sometimes are). They radiate obligatory involvement (because the movie can't happen without you guys, yeah?!) and really look like they'd prefer to be doing something else. It pulls me right out of the movie to see actors feeling so obviously awkward in their parts. If Fisher and Ford legit didn't want to be in another one of these movies thirty years later, then I'd suggest the best decision would've been to rework the story and script and minimize the characters' involvement to distant authority figures or something.

dunie · « **Reply #2515 on:** January 03, 2016, 02:51:25 PM »

Quote from: The Duck on January 02, 2016, 01:51:44 AM

The Hateful Eight - I saw this in 70mm. Uhh... I guess it is about how a shared sense of misogyny can overcome a long and bloody history of racism?

I hated this film and I expected it. I've hated Tarantino films for over a decade now. No one left the theater happy. They seemed confused about what happened. Way too long, bad pacing. I am surprised, but the dialogue was awful. I am exhausted by films that villify white people (coded only as southern) as some backwards appeal to liberal desires to see people in pain. Not one joke was funny, not even the slowmo, and I have never watched the type of final death that happened at the end. I just looked away. This is a film of caricature and stereotype that doesn't have any finesse in its verbal or physical violence. The whole BBD white man's fear was so poorly written. Tarantino needs to get out of the 19th century as a way to legitimize his unsophisticated (gore and "nigger" word can indeed be executed far better) use of our imagined ideas of racists and misogynists.

Also saw it in a southern theater. Also very proud to be southern. Also very annoyed that Hollywood recycles a shitty representation of southerners, one that seems more like a naive northern portrayal of southern people. Completely unrealistic, but his unrealism wasn't even enjoyable. Fat ass? Really?? Someone get this white boy more PoC friends he claimed he had in his youth.

Ranmilia · « **Reply #2516 on:** January 03, 2016, 03:40:09 PM »

*shuffles into thread, makes vague gestures indicating "Yeah, everything Cid said," shuffles back out*

Scar · « **Reply #2517 on:** January 03, 2016, 03:54:05 PM »

Quote from: Anthony Edward Stark on January 02, 2016, 11:23:07 PM

Quote from: Cmdr_King on January 02, 2016, 10:22:48 PM
Doubling as the secret base from which he conducts the galaxy-wide hunt for his missing son.*

*To be clear there's no actual information suggesting Finn is Lando's son or anything. I just hope he is.

"Hello there kids, I'm Lando Calrissian!"
"My momma said my daddy's name is Lando Calrissian."
"Hey, my momma said that too!"
"...Hush up, little girl... lotta cats have that name."

Dynomite. DYNOMITE!!!!

The Duck · « **Reply #2518 on:** January 03, 2016, 05:01:08 PM »

Quote from: bambi on January 03, 2016, 02:51:25 PM

Quote from: The Duck on January 02, 2016, 01:51:44 AM
The Hateful Eight - I saw this in 70mm. Uhh... I guess it is about how a shared sense of misogyny can overcome a long and bloody history of racism?
Tarantino needs to get out of the 19th century as a way to legitimize his unsophisticated (gore and "nigger" word can indeed be executed far better) use of our imagined ideas of racists and misogynists.

I agree with this. His writing is such that it seems like he's shoehorning slurs in places that are really weird and unnatural and hiding behind the post-Civil War era as if to say "it's okay guys everyone said it back then." However, the sensibilities he uses in this movie are undoubtedly modern, so it really does seem like he's seeking refuge in his setting. People online have said that it has something to say about American race relations on par with Do the Right Thing and I have never wanted to slap someone over the internet more. There may be something here about the ugly truth of America and Americans in there, but only in the most stereotypical and juvenile way. I have wondered if I am missing something here but Tarantino is rarely ever (read: never) subtle with his commentary.

Sierra · « **Reply #2519 on:** January 03, 2016, 05:23:20 PM »

What he's saying is that violence is everywhere in our society--

*Cid is decapitated*

Cmdr_King · « **Reply #2520 on:** January 03, 2016, 05:26:22 PM »

Honestly this is the first film in quite a long time where I saw Harrison Ford in it and he felt like a character, rather than Harrison Ford The Grumpy Old Man. I suppose that could just be fanboyism talking. Though yeah I don't think Carrie Fisher wanted to be there.

dunie · « **Reply #2521 on:** January 04, 2016, 02:25:01 PM »

Quote from: The Duck on January 03, 2016, 05:01:08 PM

People online have said that it has something to say about American race relations on par with Do the Right Thing and I have never wanted to slap someone over the internet more. There may be something here about the ugly truth of America and Americans in there, but only in the most stereotypical and juvenile way. I have wondered if I am missing something here but Tarantino is rarely ever (read: never) subtle with his commentary.

I'd have the urge to slap them too. They're probably only drawing this parallel because of some mainstream beef between Tarantino and Lee. Do The Right Thing would not have been as successful were it set in a realm of pure fiction.

Whatever the critique Tarantino may offer, the only solid one is how fantasy can distance and distort historical narratives (which themselves are not singular). But even this isn't enough; it's irresponsible for filmmakers to keep depicting racism as something only located in the South. Where is Trump? Why can't he make a movie about Trump? I think I'm asking too much of film that's inherently political.

Grefter · « **Reply #2522 on:** January 04, 2016, 05:22:41 PM »

Ehhhhh even as a Tarantino fan (apologist at this point?) I think the only critique I have on your last point is the production time of movies more than it can't be done or he can't do it. Maybe if he made more than one movie every 3-4 years he could be doing something on Trump right before election.

All I want to know is if it is yet another post 9/11 Tarantino movie all about revenge. I am sure I will enjoy it at some point, but I am a bit less jazzed for this one. It is a good cast, but we aren't going to be having Christof Walz solving world hunger with all the ham he is bringing to the mix like the last couple.

AndrewRogue · « **Reply #2523 on:** January 04, 2016, 05:43:03 PM »

Did I ever comment on Star Wars? No?

I had fun and it's more or less what I wanted out of a Star Wars movie. Dunno. Objectively I agree with the fact that it probably plays it too safe and some of the beat repetition is obnoxious, but, subjectively, don't really care. Might be that I haven't watched the original trilogy in ages and never had a strong attachment to it?

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...you know immediately just what's going to happen on that catwalk because it's exactly what happened in the Death Star...

Disagree. You know what's going to happen on the catwalk because you've seen a movie/read a book/played a video game before. I'm pretty sure you could have never seen Star Wars and understand exactly what's going to happen. That framing is hella obvious.

Grefter · « **Reply #2524 on:** January 04, 2016, 06:08:46 PM »

Did I miss that part?

It's Bespin during Empire, not Obiwan on the Deathstar there as well.

its okay cid i still luv u

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