Season 44 rankings- FE9 and Disgaea 2

[OblivionKnight]

(This is Dark Holy Elf ninjaing OK's account while at DLC3

Well, this is it. Time to rank the DL's newest entrants Light, Middle, Heavy, or Godlike. See previous topics for details; ask any questions if needed.

Feel free to assign DNR (Do Not Rank) if you don't think someone should be ranked from a particular game.

Voting closes on Thursday, July 31, at the same time that the DL itself does (9:00 Pacific).

Ranking values:

Godlike = 5.0
Low Godlike = 4.75
Heavy/Godlike = 4.5
High Heavy = 4.25
Heavy = 4.0
Middle/Heavy (or Low Heavy) = 3.75
High Middle = 3.5
Middle = 3.25
Light/Middle (or Low Middle) = 3.0
High Light = 2.75
Light = 2.5
Low Light = 2.0
Puny/Light = 1.5
Puny = 1.0

Disgaea 2

Dis2 Adell
Dis2 Axel
Dis2 Hanako
Dis2 Rozalin
Dis2 Taro
Dis2 Tink
Dis2 Yukimaru
Dis2 Zenon

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Boyd
FE9 Ena
FE9 Ike
FE9 Jill Fizzart
FE9 Mia
FE9 Mist
FE9 Nephenee
FE9 Oscar
FE9 Soren
FE9 Tibarn
FE9 Titania
FE9 Volke

[Nephrite]

FE9 Boyd - 3.5
FE9 Ena - 3.75
FE9 Ike - 4.25
FE9 Jill Fizzart - 4.0
FE9 Mia - 3.5
FE9 Mist - 2.0
FE9 Nephenee - 3.5
FE9 Oscar - 3.0
FE9 Soren - 2.5
FE9 Tibarn - 4.5
FE9 Titania - 2.5
FE9 Volke -  3.0

[Dunefar]

Disgaea 2

Dis2 Adell Heavy. Adell's a solid slugger with elemental damage. He's not going to stand out in Heavy, but he'll fit in.
Dis2 Axel Low Middle. Unimpressive boss.
Dis2 Hanako Light. Scrubby PC. Yawn.
Dis2 Rozalin High Middle. Her damage being accuracy based has some perks, but it's not enough to move her outta Middle.
Dis2 Taro Light. Scrubby PC. Yawn.
Dis2 Tink Light. Scrubby PC. Yawn.
Dis2 Yukimaru High Light. Still scrubby but not so horrible as the others.
Dis2 Zenon Heavy. Boss slugger.

[Lance]

Disgaea 2

Dis2 Adell - Heavy
Dis2 Axel - Middle
Dis2 Hanako - Light
Dis2 Rozalin - Middle
Dis2 Taro - Light
Dis2 Tink - Light
Dis2 Yukimaru - Light
Dis2 Zenon - Heavy


Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Boyd - Middle
FE9 Ena - Heavy
FE9 Ike - Heavy
FE9 Jill Fizzart - Middle
FE9 Mia - Light
FE9 Mist - Light
FE9 Nephenee - Heavy
FE9 Oscar - Middle
FE9 Soren - Middle
FE9 Tibarn - Heavy
FE9 Titania - Light
FE9 Volke - Middle

[alanna82]

Disgaea 2

Dis2 Adell-  Low Heavy
Dis2 Axel- abstain
Dis2 Hanako- Light
Dis2 Rozalin- High Light (I had her in middle because thats where she was based on Not ranked, didnt realize her buff was that bad)
Dis2 Taro- Middle ( upped him based on wrong data, yeah, Taro deserves middle)
Dis2 Tink- Light
Dis2 Yukimaru- High Light
Dis2 Zenon- Heavy

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Boyd- Middle
FE9 Ena-Middle/Heavy (this is boss form by the way, if PC form it is light)
FE9 Ike- Heavy
FE9 Jill Fizzart- Middle
FE9 Mia- High Middle
FE9 Mist- Low Light
FE9 Nephenee- Middle/Heavy (She had more damage than I thought)
FE9 Oscar- Middle
FE9 Soren- Light/Middle (Orignally had him as middle since thats where he was in Not ranked, changed based on relooking at numbers)
FE9 Tibarn-  High Heavy
FE9 Titania-  High Light
FE9 Volke-  Low Middle

Just for Oblivion Knight- Naseala- High Heavy. ^_^

[Pyro]

Disgaea 2

Dis2 Adell: 3.5 High Middle. Yes, the damage is solid, but its of a commonly resisted element and is evadable/physical. He also only has 3 shots of it or so.
Dis2 Axel: I abstain on ranking him out of sheer mehness. The boss form is probably some kinda Light or something.
Dis2 Hanako: 2.4 Light. Not special on any front, not... absolutely horrible.
Dis2 Rozalin: 2.45 Light: See Hanako.  Insert ACCURACY HYPE or something.
Dis2 Taro: 3.0 Light/Middle . Eh. He is kinda durable and has a gimmick in buffing/countering... he's still borderline Light for want of anything special.
Dis2 Tink: 2.4 Light. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Dis2 Yukimaru: 3.0 Light/Middle. Not much to say. She's kinda averagish.
Dis2 Zenon: Will fight him later.

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Boyd: 3.5 High Middle. Very solid damage, good HP. Bad Res. Counters... High Middle works.
FE9 Ena: 2.4 Light. Har. Laguz. DOUBLED BY AVERAGE BEFORE TRANSFORMATION. Boss form... eats it to anyone with ranged damage, I think.
FE9 Ike: 4.75 Low Godlike. Kickarse physical durability, decent magic durability. Good damage (2HKOs frailer folk), doubles, counters everything. So he can attack 4 times to an enemy's one even if they are using magic. Yeah. I'm taking the "other games are average FE spd" view, so that pushes him into Low Godlike. Huh.
FE9 Jill Fizzart: 3.5 High Middle. Solid damage, counters. Her physical durability is good but her magic isn't so hot. This works.
FE9 Mia: 4.0 Heavy: I see people saying Mia for Light, and I have no words. Do we REALLY want an FE swordmaster in Middle again? Lyn? Guy? Marisa? She may not have the same evade hax, but that damage is awesome thanks to doubles and the looming threat of a not-so-low-odds critical hit is definitely there. She may not be a STELLAR heavy, but she's competitive enough to be better than freaking LIGHT.
FE9 Mist: 2.6 Light: She's... not that bad. While her damage and physical durability is poor, she does counter most attacks that hit that pdurability, and she has good Res to deal with magic attacks.
FE9 Nephenee: 4.0  Heavy: Well... Wrath is cool, but its like all she has. Damage is good but not 2HKO good, doesn't double. Her physical durability is good I suppose. Edit: Javelins exist. Wrath is nastier than I thought then.
FE9 Oscar: 3.4 Middle: Solid all-around FEer who is great against physicals. This works.
FE9 Soren: 3.2 Middle: Poor physical durability... but mage counters and the looming threat of Adept make him kinda dangerous on that front. Not stellar, but works.
FE9 Tibarn 4.83 Godlike: Meep may say "Not Godlike!" but effectively OHKOing with his doubling, 36% Guard, and generally awesome durability makes me think otherwise.
FE9 Titania: 3.3 Middle: She's a worse Oscar. Middle still works.
FE9 Volke: 3.35 Middle: Doubles average so 2HKOs (albeit... not by much). Otherwise, counters, pdurability that doesn't suck, and... well, he doesn't like mages.

[Sierra]

Disgaea 2

Dis2 Adell: High Middle. Decent all around, but badly hosed by fire resistance.
Dis2 Axel: Low Heavy. Solid, if one-dimensional slugger.
Dis2 Hanako: Light. Crap stats and useless skills.
Dis2 Rozalin: Light. Durability just is not there. At least she never misses!
Dis2 Taro: Middle. Surprisingly tanky. Damage is ass and he fries to status, but he's good for slugfests.
Dis2 Tink: Light. Disgaea monster with no skillset worth mentioning. Yeah.
Dis2 Yukimaru: Middle. See Adell, replace fire with water.
Dis2 Zenon: Godlike. Badass resists, solid damage. No glaring weaknesses apart from the resists dropping at half HP (and at least he gets a damage boost in return).

[RadLink5]

Disgaea 2

Dis2 Adell - 4.0 Meh, he'll get his ass kicked a fair bit in Heavy I'm sure.
Dis2 Axel - 4.25 No near-ridiculous evade hype? No solid damage hype? No halving human damage hype? Tsk tsk.
Dis2 Hanako - 1.5 Ew.
Dis2 Rozalin - 4.0 Allowing ridiculous durability/Evil Gaiaesque damage form gets her at least borderline middle/heavy.
Dis2 Taro - 2.5 Slightly less fodderish than sister.
Dis2 Tink - 2.75 Hahahahahaha.
Dis2 Yukimaru - 3.62 Actually she's good, what's the problem?
Dis2 'Zenon' - 4.9 Not sure why everyone's ranking him as a Heavy, did I miss something?

Dis2 Fubuki - 4.5 Hard hitting, even more of an evadewhore than Axel.
Dis2 Serion - 4.5 Would easily be better than Shura if RES was halfway decent.
Dis2 Shura - 4.7 Spoils magic reliant, really good defense too, suffers from meh damage.

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Boyd - 3.5 Seems about right.
FE9 Ena - 4.0 May be a little high actually, but mehhh.
FE9 Ike - 4.55 It's hard to decide between Heavy and Godlike. Seems a bit too good for Heavy but everything in Godlike crushes him.
FE9 Jill Fizzart - Abstain.
FE9 Mia - 3.6 Can't bring myself to rank her as a heavy, so let her win a season and upgrade there if there's any respect for her. (doesn't look like it)
FE9 Mist - 2.35 Hahahahahaha.
FE9 Nephenee - 3.15 Unimpressive.
FE9 Oscar - 3.5 Go go Oscar durability respect!
FE9 Soren - 2.6 He might actually win a season in Light, but no way is he a worthwhile middle.
FE9 Tibarn - 4.9 Godlike it is. Maybe I'm biased because I want to see a Godlike from this game actually, but whatever.
FE9 Titania - 3.4 Not that bad.
FE9 Volke - 3.2 Ditto.

FE9 Naesala - 4.85 Inspired into action, etc, still sorta wishes he was Tibarn.

[Lance]

FE9 Mia: 4.0 Heavy: I see people saying Mia for Light, and I have no words. Do we REALLY want an FE swordmaster in Middle again? Lyn? Guy? Marisa? She may not have the same evade hax, but that damage is awesome thanks to doubles and the looming threat of a not-so-low-odds critical hit is definitely there. She may not be a STELLAR heavy, but she's competitive enough to be better than freaking LIGHT.

Sure, she has speed, but the doubles are kind of offset by asstacular damage. Maybe this is just a case of me being screwed over by the RNG, but Mia was oh-so-very Light in my playthrough.

[Pyro]

You must have been RNG'd. She shouldn't have damage that bad. Certainly much better than Volke, at the least.

[Talaysen]

Disgaea 2

Dis2 Adell - Middle.  3 shots of fire/physical 2HKO?  Yeah, not seeing the Heavy hype here.  It's not even a high 2HKO.
Dis2 Axel - Middle.  Halves human damage, but nothing special other than that.
Dis2 Hanako - Light.
Dis2 Rozalin - Light.   Well at least she's accurate?
Dis2 Taro - Light.  No respect for that buffing game.
Dis2 Tink - Light.
Dis2 Yukimaru - Light.
Dis2 Zenon - Low Heavy.  I guess.

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Boyd - Low Middle.  Just... kind of averagish.
FE9 Ena - Light.  I don't remember if she got a Laguz Stone in FE9.  If so, I think I might need to change this.  She gets too tanky after transforming.
FE9 Ike - Heavy/Godlike.  Tanky, doubles stuff, has ranged, has AETHER!!  Also Nihil form if needed.
FE9 Jill Fizzart - Godlike.  Brave Axe.  And Stun.  And doubles.
FE9 Mia - Low Godlike.  What the hell, Light?  She doubles average with just below average damage, HAS VANTAGE, and isn't OHKO very easily.  That means above average speed people get hit FOUR TIMES before they get to act twice, and Mia DOES kill before then.  You people are nuts.
FE9 Mist - Light.  ;_;  Too bad because she's so awesome in-game.  Though she's not a bad one at least.
FE9 Nephenee - Low Godlike.  She generally OHKOs after Wrath and is pretty tanky so she'll often see it.  FE10 form has doubles and Impale, which is turn 1 overkill.
FE9 Oscar - Low Middle.  Averagish damage, somewhat tanky, and has Sol if he can last that long?  Works.
FE9 Soren - Light.  Not a bad one, though.
FE9 Tibarn - Godlike.  Tear + doubles = hax.
FE9 Titania - Low Middle.  About the same as Oscar, I think?  Maybe a little better.
FE9 Volke - Low Middle.  Has low odds ID though, so that helps.

And while I was doing this I realized I need to make a different damage average foe FE10, so these'll probably be edited.

[Talaysen]

FE9 Mia: 4.0 Heavy: I see people saying Mia for Light, and I have no words. Do we REALLY want an FE swordmaster in Middle again? Lyn? Guy? Marisa? She may not have the same evade hax, but that damage is awesome thanks to doubles and the looming threat of a not-so-low-odds critical hit is definitely there. She may not be a STELLAR heavy, but she's competitive enough to be better than freaking LIGHT.

Sure, she has speed, but the doubles are kind of offset by asstacular damage. Maybe this is just a case of me being screwed over by the RNG, but Mia was oh-so-very Light in my playthrough.

If she had 3HKO damage, she kills above average speed average durability enemies before their second turn.  Kills below average speed average durability enemies before their first turn.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Also, as a reminder for Lance: using your RNG experiences to gauge actual character worth above anything else =/= good. Character rankings shouldn't be subject to the mood of a random number generator.

[OblivionKnight]

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There will be death for this.  WRITE-IN FOR NAESALA.  DAMNIT.

Ahem.  Trying to get my computer working for the inevitable Alma SCC game beginnings, so I figured I'd post now.  God damnit ;_;


Disgaea 2

Dis2 Adell - 3.667 - He's actually pretty good overall: RES and DEF are weak, but HP backed up by good evasion and damage (though blockable and expensive) make him a pretty good overall Middle. 
Dis2 Axel - 3.834 - Better than Adell.  Better evasion, similar damage that's more plentiful and harder to wall, and an excellent support ability that lets him last a long time.  Defenses are also better too, overall.  Good fighter.
Dis2 Hanako - 2.122 - Uh...she could be worse.  EVIL GAIA and JOGURT slayer, at least.   
Dis2 Rozalin - 4.222 - Yeah, uh...I think I'll let the speshul form into play.  Her damage is worse than in the non-speshul form, but...the durability is great, and she has no resource problems.  She'd be a 2.444 without it!
Dis2 Taro - 3.344 - Better than Hanako and Rozalin, but...don't think he's as good as he should be.  Durability is great, and his stat-droppers are nice, as is the healing and countering...actually, that's definitely some form of weak Middle, I think. 
Dis2 Tink - 2.334 - Uh...godly Move.  Otherwise, easy enough Light.
Dis2 Yukimaru - 3.246 - Worse than Adell, but has status options at least.   
Dis2 'Zenon' - 4.778 - Just overall excellent.  Probably not as durable overall as Lammy, but excellent on the damage front and takes magic effectively better. 

Dis2 Fubuki - 4.322 - Damage hurts, though blockable.  Kills SP.  Tough overall, which makes Heavy.
Dis2 Serion - 4.444 - Just...excellent everywhere.  Magic immunity and boostable damage are gooooood.  And enough defense to not fuck her over.  HP are weak, but...eh.
Dis2 Shura- 4.345 - See above.  Magical durability is worse than the above's physical durability, but he has status attached to his damage, so...eh.  Worse overall, but still good.


Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Boyd - 3.467 - Overall just good.  Damage and speed are nice, though durability isn't fabulous.  Still not bad enough to drop him.
FE9 Ena - 4.328 - Boss form with a demi-band.  Damage, durability, regen...yeah.  Slow as fuck, but can take most things pretty damn well.
FE9 Ike - 4.290 - Not really getting him in Godlike, though.  Good in most regards, but...eh.  He may be close, but not Godlike.  Damage is good, ranged, counters, Aether...eh, just don't gutcheck him there.  Let him win his way up.
FE9 Jill Fizzart - 4.456 - Brave Axe and Stun.
FE9 Mia - 4.123 - Swordmaster.
FE9 Mist - 3.577 - Gets Alondite!  Ends up with good damage and defenses of both types this way!
FE9 Nephenee - 4.123 - Ends up about the same as Mia.  Still good.
FE9 Oscar - 3.023 - Fuck Oscar. 
FE9 Soren - 2.69 - Knife hype only gets you so far.  Rexcalibre, though...mmm...
FE9 Tibarn - 4.810 - Yeah, Tear, speed, damage, Pavise...
FE9 Titania - 3.121 - Blah blah.
FE9 Volke - 3.34 - ID hype, I guess. 

FE9 Naesala - 4.810 - RANK NAESALA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FE9 Elincia - 4.489 - Hey, it's Jill with staves.  And a better weakness elementally. 

[Dhyerwolf]

Disgaea 2

Dis2 Adell- 3.35. Heavy? What? He has a 2HKO damage yes...but it's Fire, only has 3 shots (aka healer bait), and he starts tanking against evasion. He can get a lot more evasion, but then his damage is 3HKO. That+status bait...he's just really spoilerable/foilerable. Very much a mid Middle.
Dis2 Axel- Abstain. Honestly, headache on him right now. PC form is a decent Middle. Boss form is a bad Light. PC form is unmemorable!
Dis2 Hanako- 2.3. Not complete mess (Her damage is average), but she's still a Light.
Dis2 Rozalin- 2.4. High Middle? HP is below average and she had the cast worst damage. Accuracy is awesome, but it just doesn't come up all that often (Gets around Thomas, but normally pretty useless).
Dis2 Taro- 3.5. Low Light? Okay, that's based on wrong damage numbers. Damage is average, HP is good, Healing+Counters isn't great but it's there. Buffing isn't uber, but taken at what it does, It's still damn useful.
Dis2 Tink- 2.8. A bit below average with overall with 30% silence attached to his physical.
Dis2 Yukimaru- 2.8. Bad HP, average damage, may 3HKO if you resist Ice, and limited Disgaea SP!
Dis2 Zenon- 5. The hell? He has like 3 PC HP durability and solidly 2HKOs. Not a heavy especially off of boss resists. Halving elements at the start and a magic backup is awesome. Near OHKO at below 25% HP (About 0.75 PC HP then) is good too.

Fire Emblem 9
I want to rank to! (Seriously though, read the stat topic pretty thoroughly/FE game/feel I at least have a pretty strong grasp on the duellers. Only sticking with more borderish ones).

Jill- 3.35. What exactly does she have over Titania besides 4 points of damage? HP is dead near the same, better defense but equally worse MDef...yeah.
Mia- 4. FE fighter counters I could actually respect? Pretty damn solid. Also awesome is critting on turn 3 in a game where averages are basically untouched by crits. Basically, you have a very short time frame before smashing.
Nephenee- 4. Yeah, Middle might work if a killer Wrath combo wasn't long range. Feels like her only real in Middle is going to be against status, and the best Middle statusers should be Heavy anyways. Her durability isn't great, but she's normally not being OHKOed in Middle, and 3 speed above average does mean that slow chippers also fall to. Just feels low solid for Middle overall with the normal FE views.
Soren- No ranking here, but he's so odd. I kind of see where the Middle votes are coming from, until I remembered Astra only kicks on in the 3rd attack (So not killing in a turn). A Middle that's 2HKOed by above average speed and half average damage physicals? It would kind of be the Middle version of Zerase. Just odd.
Tibarn- 4.35. Not quite enough for Godlike, I think.
Titania- 3.15. Feel like her type dueller has constantly proved to be too much for Light.

[SnowFire]

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Boyd - Middle.  Huge HP, heavy damage, not all that slow.  Cries against magic or multi-hit physicals due to his low defense, but clearly better than light.
FE9 Ena - High Light?  I beat the Black Knight, so I'd hold her to her boss form myself, which gets pasted by anyone with spammable ranged damage.  I guess some people won't have the damage to get past her high defense and HP regeneration, but yeah, she gives a lot of Light all the time in the world to get their 20% chance of status to work.
FE9 Ike - Heavy.
FE9 Jill Fizzart - High Middle.  I suspect my Jill may have been extra RNG blessed as she was pretty much better than Ike in my game, but she's awesome anyway.  Also: Rank Jill without the silly last name, they use it approximately never in FE9.
FE9 Mia - Heavy.  Agree with others wondering what on earth Mia would be doing in Light.  I used her to the end of the game- though I'll grant she needed a +2 Resistance item.  Anyway, against physical sluggers in middle, she gets 3 attacks to their 0 and 7 attacks to their 1, potentially.  The situation improves for ranged attackers, but she's still pretty brutal so long as she doesn't run into unevadable magic.
FE9 Mist - Light.
FE9 Nephenee - Middle.  Wrath is nice, but she needs to be a bit speedier to be in Heavy.
FE9 Oscar - Middle.  Solid, but nothing special.
FE9 Soren - Middle.  0 HP, but dodginess and sheer ridiculous offense saves him.
FE9 Tibarn - Didn't use enough to say, but sounds like Low Godlike.  Speed is about the most important thing an FE fighter can have, and Tibarn's got it.
FE9 Titania - Low Middle I guess?  Counter helps her be a bit better than, say, Seth.  Plus her speed is actually decent, always important for an FE fighter.
FE9 Volke - Low Middle.  Awful damage, but dodgy enough to maybe get away with the occasional ID.

[RadLink5]

Are we really allowed to do write-ins? >_>

Fubuki FTW.

[Ultradude]

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Boyd - 3.6 - HP and damage kick ass, speed is decent. Hates magic.
FE9 Ena - 3.5 - EDIT: Think I undersold the tankiness. Hell, the PC form is well above average on both durability fronts pre-transformation, and its got just below average speed after. Damage still isn't good, but overall better than I thought, and PC form might be better? Doubled by average before transforming might kill that idea though.
FE9 Ike - 4.6 - Hard to kill, kills things dead, has ranged counters... and I see Ragnell as unbreakable by FFT characters >_>
FE9 Jill Fizzart - 3.8 - A weaker Ike with wings and some weaknesses. Which is still considerably better than most.
FE9 Mia - 3.6 - Standard swordmaster hype. Go ahead and champ though.
FE9 Mist - 2.6 - Res/counter combo. Wishes she had a Rune Sword so much
FE9 Nephenee - 3.5 - Wrath with a Killer Lance makes her into a fairly durable, kinda evasive and decently damaging limit fighter. Too average overall though for heavy.
FE9 Oscar - 3.4 - Standard good paladin.
FE9 Soren - 2.7 - Adept could be a threat? Underwhelming as a mage.
FE9 Tibarn - 4.75 - Guard is good, and the damage speed combo is nasty. Durable too.
FE9 Titania - 3.0 - Really underwhelming, though seems a bit too tough for light.
FE9 Volke - 3.2 - Fast with a slim ID chance. Enough for middle, I guess.

FE9 Naesala - 4.5 - OK inspires me to action.

[Dunefar]

Also, as a reminder for Lance: using your RNG experiences to gauge actual character worth above anything else =/= good. Character rankings shouldn't be subject to the mood of a random number generator.

It's not fair to assume that everyone has to know how someone is supposed to turn out, either. Stat topicing should not be a prerequisite to rank voting.

[Talaysen]

Dis2 Taro- 3.3. Low Light? Okay, that's based on wrong damage numbers. Damage is average, HP is good, Healing+Counters isn't great but it's there. Buffing isn't uber, but take at what it does. It's still damn useful.

This may or may not because said "wrong damage numbers" are the ones pointed to in your stat topic index.  You should really list both topics there, so people know that there IS another one (but don't remove the other one, please).

And I don't blame them for thinking Taro sucks.  His damage isn't that stellar in-game.  Even on your damage numbers, he only has a 3HKO, counters ain't scaring anyone (especially mages/ranged people), and I laugh at the buffing/healing.

Dis2 Zenon- 5. The hell? He has like 3 PC HP durability and solidly 2HKOs. Not a heavy especially off of boss resists. Halving elements at the start and a magic backup is awesome. Near OHKO at below 25% HP (About 0.75 PC HP then) is good too.

HP of 20,000, PC damage of 1000, you have like 10 PCs?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but by normal conventions that's not even close to 3 PCHP.  I mean, if you use a different scaling, that's cool, but being surprised at other people not thinking he's 3 PCHP?  Kinda weird.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Also, as a reminder for Lance: using your RNG experiences to gauge actual character worth above anything else =/= good. Character rankings shouldn't be subject to the mood of a random number generator.

It's not fair to assume that everyone has to know how someone is supposed to turn out, either. Stat topicing should not be a prerequisite to rank voting.

Actually, I'll have to disagree here due to finding gross misrankings something good to avoid, and the rankings are where those are formed. While I do see your point, uninformed ranking... isn't desirable. And growth rates and average stats -are- a more worthy measure of character than you just having a bad RNG day. Rankings shouldn't come out from 100% subjectiveness, which ranking based off only your experience is. There has to be a firmer starting ground. But this isn't really the place to discuss those things, so I'll just agree to disagree here.

[Orson]

I asked for Elincia, and quite a few others did. Write-in Elincia. Shamefully, I can't vote on her ranking. Maybe others can? I second Naesala though.

Disgaea 2

Dis2 Adell: Middle/Heavy
Dis2 Axel: Heavy.
Dis2 Rozalin: Low Middle.
Dis2 Taro: High Light.
Dis2 Tink: High Light.
Dis2 Yukimaru: High Light.

[Sierra]

Also, as a reminder for Lance: using your RNG experiences to gauge actual character worth above anything else =/= good. Character rankings shouldn't be subject to the mood of a random number generator.

It's not fair to assume that everyone has to know how someone is supposed to turn out, either. Stat topicing should not be a prerequisite to rank voting.

Actually, I'll have to disagree here due to finding gross misrankings something good to avoid, and the rankings are where those are formed. While I do see your point, uninformed ranking... isn't desirable. And growth rates and average stats -are- a more worthy measure of character than you just having a bad RNG day. Rankings shouldn't come out from 100% subjectiveness, which ranking based off only your experience is. There has to be a firmer starting ground. But this isn't really the place to discuss those things, so I'll just agree to disagree here.

Man. I couldn't disagree with this analysis more. I find something fundamentally objectionable about saying that someone's personal experience is irrelevant in assessing a character's worth as a dueller. Stat topics are helpful, yes, but directing someone straight to them leaves no room for personal interpretation--and therefore, discussion. (What's left to argue about once we go that route?) Admittedly, someone needing to look up average growth rates to know how the character "should" turn out is something that ticks me off about FE in general. I don't believe someone should have to consult something outside the actual game to be considered an informed voter. Playing the damned game should be enough. Stat topics are useful and informative, but suggesting that someone's opinion is invalid if they don't consult them is not only elitist, but unrealistic as well. Do you expect every casual voter to do that? We wouldn't have any, in that case.

Staying out of the actual ranking discussion, obviously, since I haven't played anything FE (and discussions like this are only part of why I have no intention to ever do so).

[TranceHime]

[value 1:initial thought] value2:actual value [value3:if you have higher respect]

DIS2 ADELL
[3.59] 3.73 [3.82]
I don't really see Adell as outright Heavy, because most of his damage is Fire. And he has only a couple of shots of his best damage, which also happens to be Fire. However, he does have quite a bit of physical bulk though his RES could stand to be a wee bit better. His Evasion however isn't totally bad. Adell just wishes he had other forms of damage though.

DIS2 AXEL
[3.66] 3.86 [3.92]
Axel halves human damage which is pretty neat, and also his damage is... generally quite consistent and... Well, I can't really think of much else to say. Pretty decent, if not for the excessive straightforward manner of fighting. Still, he's slightly better than Adell?! Slightly?!

DIS2 HANAKO
[2.44] 2.56 [2.59]
Hanako is pretty meh. She isn't really ass, but then again, there's nothing that all special about her. I guess she has PRETTY BAZOOKA HYPE?

DIS2 ROZALIN
[2.66] 2.89 [2.93]
Since Rozy uses a gun, this means her damage is Hit/Accuracy based! >_>;; Too bad she has this thing where she has like no durability ever. At least she doesn't miss. I guess.

DIS2 TARO
[2.85] 3.23 [3.29]
Buffing is pretty important, and especially so for Taro. If not for those, I would've thought of Taro much less. Decent HP though, so he doesn't die too fast! Counter is pretty meh, but Taro isn't totally bad. He loves his buffs.

DIS2 TINK
[2.33] 2.71 [2.80]
I dunno, Nail Bat is pretty nice but that's really the only thing from making me consider Tink as any less than he is in the DL. In-game he's awesome but it just doesn't translate well /at all/.

DIS2 YUKIMARU
[2.77] 2.93 [2.97]
I have pretty high respect for Yukimaru's damage, so that's probably part of the reason why I was thinking that she should be where I think she should be right now. Otherwise, you just have a meh-ish fighter with decent damage, but average-ish of everything else. And typical bad SP/MP.

DIS2 ZENON
[4.88] 4.94 [5.00]
I'll be fair here, Zenon should probably be craploads better than the stage at which I beat him, simply because I was hilariously overpowered. Taking that out of the picture, I notice that Zenon has crazy durability, great resists and pretty solid damage. Even with my somewhat overlevelled characters Zenon was able to kill most of them anyway so that says /something/ at least. Zenon's definitely a respectable boss in my book.

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Man. I couldn't disagree with this analysis more. I find something fundamentally objectionable about saying that someone's personal experience is irrelevant in assessing a character's worth as a dueller. Stat topics are helpful, yes, but directing someone straight to them leaves no room for personal interpretation--and therefore, discussion. (What's left to argue about once we go that route?) Admittedly, someone needing to look up average growth rates to know how the character "should" turn out is something that ticks me off about FE in general. I don't believe someone should have to consult something outside the actual game to be considered an informed voter. Playing the damned game should be enough. Stat topics are useful and informative, but suggesting that someone's opinion is invalid if they don't consult them is not only elitist, but unrealistic as well. Do you expect every casual voter to do that? We wouldn't have any, in that case.

Staying out of the actual ranking discussion, obviously, since I haven't played anything FE (and discussions like this are only part of why I have no intention to ever do so).

You're right that this is a big problem with Fire Emblem in the DL (one of many).

Still, it's universally accepted in FE character debates that personal RNG means nothing because you have to rely on averages to have an objective frame of reference, and I'm inclined to think the same is true of the DL as well.  It's one thing to have an interpretation disagree over whether, say, starting equips are legal or how valuable a stat/skill is or whether a strategy like summoning NPC fighters is legal, it's another if you have completely arbitrary and different views on what their fundamental stats are.  Claiming reliance on personal RNG experience is also a great way to penalize characters you dislike for whatever reason and maintaining plausible denial - that's been an issue with newcomers in FE forums before, and - I suspect with FE7's DL rankings.

Even agreeing on objective values doesn't mean no room for interpretation; there's still room to disagree on endgame level, borderline equipment, FE doubles, FE counters, FE evade... as a matter of fact I'd say one of the issues with FE in the DL is that they are too many hotbutton interpsplits.

I agree that having to look up stats somewhere instead of being to able to gauge them based on personal experience sucks, but in this case I think the alternative sucks more.  Blame FE's levelling system, which doesn't suit the DL well.