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Myria (BoFs) vs Jecht (FFX)
Rubicant (FF4) vs Emelious de Pamela (G3)
Melfice (G2) vs Xorn (G3)
Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Jade (BoF1)

Heavy

Red (Saga) vs Lazlo (S4)
Emeralda Kasim (XG) vs T260G (Saga)
Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3)
Garnet Til Alexandros (FF9) vs Ike (FE9)

Middle

Menardi (GS) vs Legault (FE7)
Yangus (DQ8) vs Ulf (G3)
Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs Jean (BoF2)
Jade Curtiss (TotA) vs Haschel (LoD)

Light

Zoah (CC) vs  Mustadio Bunanza (FFT)
Lucied (WAs) vs Yukimaru (Dis2)
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Jun (VP1)
Nina Wyndia (BoF3) vs Relm Arrowny (FF6)
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2008, 05:48:57 AM »
Myria (BoFs) vs Jecht (FFX) - Um, insert lol here.

Red (Saga) vs Lazlo (S4) - Burn, Lazlo.
Emeralda Kasim (XG) vs T260G (Saga) - Menial.
Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3) - 3HKOs first.

Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs Jean (BoF2) - Death. Yawn.

Zoah (CC) vs Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) - Mustadio.
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Jun (VP1) - This match fails. Kneejerking against Ruse on non-WW these days anyhow.
Nina Wyndia (BoF3) vs Relm Arrowny (FF6) - Nina3.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2008, 05:57:32 AM »
Godlike

Myria (BoFs) vs Jecht (FFX)- Myria
Rubicant (FF4) vs Emelious de Pamela (G3)- Emelious. Not bad, but Emelious can take 1 hit, and speed+damage
Melfice (G2) vs Xorn (G3)- Xorn
Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Jade (BoF1)- Nate. Hee hee.

Heavy

Red (Saga) vs Lazlo (S4)- Red
Emeralda Kasim (XG) vs T260G (Saga)- T260G
Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3)- Ayla. Bitch got lucky (Since I think she's a pretty bad Heavy) that Cliff won for some arcane reason. She probably barely pulls this off depending on her physical after Cliff hits that MP, I think.

Middle

Menardi (GS) vs Legault (FE7)- Pain.
Yangus (DQ8) vs Ulf (G3)- Ulf. Yangus' ID...probably tied to evadable physicals.
Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs Jean (BoF2)- Jean
Jade Curtiss (TotA) vs Haschel (LoD)- Haschel. Faster, Dragoon for tanking and such, I think.

Light

Zoah (CC) vs  Mustadio Bunanza (FFT)- oah
Lucied (WAs) vs Yukimaru (Dis2)- Lucied. WA 3 form (the best one!) crushes Yukimaru so easily.
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Jun (VP1)- Blar, I don't really allow RW many spells...but Jun isn't good to start with.
Nina Wyndia (BoF3) vs Relm Arrowny (FF6)- Relm. Lightning res to the rescue
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2008, 05:59:27 AM »
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Myria (BoFs) vs Jecht (FFX)
The durability gap is rather insane here.

Heavy

Red (Saga) vs Lazlo (S4)
Emeralda Kasim (XG) vs T260G (Saga)
And the damage gap here is...well, not insane, but more than enough.

Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3)
This one's trickier. Going gut, could easily change.

Middle

Jade Curtiss (TotA) vs Haschel (LoD)
As much as Jade was my MVP in-game, he's no great shakes in the DL. Especially against somebody with no elemental weakness and an ID weapon.

Light

Zoah (CC) vs  Mustadio Bunanza (FFT)
Unless Zoah's evade is better than I'm remembering, how does he not get Don't Do Anything'd?.
Lucied (WAs) vs Yukimaru (Dis2)
WA1 and 2 forms are nothing special.
Nina Wyndia (BoF3) vs Relm Arrowny (FF6)
Nina's damage kills her before it kills Relm.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2008, 06:02:58 AM »
Zoah (CC) vs  Mustadio Bunanza (FFT)
Unless Zoah's evade is better than I'm remembering, how does he not get Don't Do Anything'd?.

Arm Aim is epic failure in a duel. Turn two status that lasts two turns is just awful. And Mustadio's offense certainly ain't helping either.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2008, 06:09:11 AM »
Godlike

Myria (BoFs) vs Jecht (FFX)
Rubicant (FF4) vs Emelious de Pamela (G3)- 2HKO. Doubt Emo can blitz through Rubi's HP in time.
Melfice (G2) vs Xorn (G3)- The good news is he evades the worst of Xorn's physicals! Uh yeah.
Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Jade (BoF1)- Horrible slaughter.

Heavy

Red (Saga) vs Lazlo (S4)
Emeralda Kasim (XG) vs T260G (Saga)

Middle

Menardi (GS) vs Legault (FE7)- Menardi is dogshit.
Yangus (DQ8) vs Ulf (G3)
Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs Jean (BoF2)
Jade Curtiss (TotA) vs Haschel (LoD)

Light

Zoah (CC) vs  Mustadio Bunanza (FFT)- Offense.
Lucied (WAs) vs Yukimaru (Dis2)- Zam>Horrible bosses.
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Jun (VP1)- Status.
Nina Wyndia (BoF3) vs Relm Arrowny (FF6)- Nina.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2008, 06:32:07 AM »
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Myria (BoFs) vs Jecht (FFX): Jecht vs. a High Godlike.
Rubicant (FF4) vs Emelious de Pamela (G3): Emelious offsets Rubicant's damage edge with better speed...oh wait, that means he just gets countered more, advantage Rubicant!
Melfice (G2) vs Xorn (G3): Xorn is Melfice+.
Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Jade (BoF1): Spoil'd, I think.

Heavy

Red (Saga) vs Lazlo (S4): Don't think even the ST form would take this?
Emeralda Kasim (XG) vs T260G (Saga): So we get the inevitable Re-Al vs. Cosmic Rave battle next week <_<?
Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3): Just to add to what Snow said, even if you see 2 Cliff actions + 2 Triple Kicks from Ayla running her out of MP, Cliff STILL needs to survive Ayla's 3rd turn (whatever she has MP for, if its not a physical) which further complicates things for Cliff.
Garnet Til Alexandros (FF9) vs Ike (FE9): Garnet goes first, and avoids the double.  As such, she should be able to outrace Ike's damage with a status blitz, be it Mini, Blind or Odin.

Middle

Menardi (GS) vs Legault (FE7): Good to see Menardi losing matches <_<?
Yangus (DQ8) vs Ulf (G3): Don't think Yangus has really anything he can use to win this.
Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs Jean (BoF2): Death.
Jade Curtiss (TotA) vs Haschel (LoD): Jade's big damage move is lightning! ...that'll go over well against Haschel.

Light

Zoah (CC) vs  Mustadio Bunanza (FFT): May Zoah succeed where Sneff failed.
Lucied (WAs) vs Yukimaru (Dis2): when in doubt, vote against Lucied <_<?
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Jun (VP1): Think Red Wizard can play defensively enough to stop Jun, and Jun's killer turn wasn't too special anyway.
Nina Wyndia (BoF3) vs Relm Arrowny (FF6): Relm resists all of Nina's noteworthy damage, making her the better slugger (...), and she crushes Nina on durability (as a fun reminder, Relm is *NOT* Frail in the slightest, despite what you may think.)
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2008, 07:16:16 AM »
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Myria (BoFs) vs Jecht (FFX)
Rubicant (FF4) vs Emelious de Pamela (G3)- More damage I think
Melfice (G2) vs Xorn (G3)- Faster, and can dispel Melfice's buffs
Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Jade (BoF1)

Heavy

Red (Saga) vs Lazlo (S4)
Emeralda Kasim (XG) vs T260G (Saga)
Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3)- Cliff doesn't like using HP for attacking
Garnet Til Alexandros (FF9) vs Ike (FE9)- Protect, heal, and status

Middle

Menardi (GS) vs Legault (FE7)- Doesn't get doubled, ID
Yangus (DQ8) vs Ulf (G3)- Shadow Warrior
Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs Jean (BoF2)
Jade Curtiss (TotA) vs Haschel (LoD)

Light

Zoah (CC) vs  Mustadio Bunanza (FFT)
Lucied (WAs) vs Yukimaru (Dis2)
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Jun (VP1)
Nina Wyndia (BoF3) vs Relm Arrowny (FF6)

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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2008, 01:18:07 PM »
Heavy

Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3)- The only way Cliff loses any substantial HP through battle skill HP cost is if he's cancel comboing ... and if he's cancel comboing Aerial Assault he's over killing Ayla. Especially to those that allow Berserk. Without cancels Aerial Assault on weak only costs 80 HP. Killing themselves/losing battles through their HP skill costs generally isn't something powerhouse SO3 characters have to worry about anyway. Maybe more so for Cliff than those with healing (Nel/Peppita) but eh.

Granted I may have overhyped Cliff's MP damage a little (hey for write ups I have to sell my character!) Stat topic makes his 99 Fury MP damage look bad in the averages >.> However it is overpowered when he gets it game and gets respect from SO3 players overall cause it can kill enemies in one hit. To them who cares if Maria/Peppita/Adray/Nel do more MP damage overall through more hits when they enemy is already dead <.<  On the other hand basic X MP damages in the stat topic have him listed as 4th for MP damage which isn't so bad =D Cliff also has higher HP than Ayla (Cliff is game best, Ayla isn't) so I'm not sure her base physical is going to kill him before he MP kills her :p

Yes this is the only match I can really vote on this week >.>

Edit - I'm kind of confused about the CT stat topic. For Ayla it says -

*80% damage from Fire attacks


Does this mean she takes 80% more damage from Fire attacks or does 80% more damage with Fire attacks? *forgets* >.> If the former then time for some Hammer of Might/Fiery Tackle abuse. On the other hand the stat topic also brought the Iron Fist to my attention - for those that see that as legit it's 50% chaos rate will make Cliff cry. Chaos is evil for SO3 characters, both in giving and receiving.

Good match =D
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2008, 02:19:45 PM »
IIRC, she takes 80% the normal amount from Fire. So Fiery Tackle/Hammer of Might are -bad- ideas.

For me, it's quite a good match; I've no clue how I'll vote on it, need to do some thinking.

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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2008, 06:12:08 PM »
Godlike

Myria (BoFs) vs Jecht (FFX)- Ha. Ha. Ha.
Rubicant (FF4) vs Emelious de Pamela (G3)- Rubicant really isn't half bad in Godlike. I've always undersold him I guess.
Melfice (G2) vs Xorn (G3)- Hilarious mismatch.
Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Jade (BoF1)- Go Jade!

Heavy

Red (Saga) vs Lazlo (S4)- Immune to death in Alkaiser. I don't allow Red to switch in battle to Alkaiser but I am fine with him starting with it.
Emeralda Kasim (XG) vs T260G (Saga)- Awww, Emmy. ;_;
Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3)- Very close but Cliff MP damage just isn't enough to impress, I'm afraid.
Garnet Til Alexandros (FF9) vs Ike (FE9)- Pretty much the anti-Ike.

Middle

Menardi (GS) vs Legault (FE7)- Go Legault!
Yangus (DQ8) vs Ulf (G3)- This ain't close.
Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs Jean (BoF2)- Finally, Jean gets his day in the sun. Deaaath.
Jade Curtiss (TotA) vs Haschel (LoD)- Go J- okay, I don't give a fuck who wins this one.

Light

Zoah (CC) vs  Mustadio Bunanza (FFT)- Mustadio is just bad.
Lucied (WAs) vs Yukimaru (Dis2)
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Jun (VP1)- I allow RW all his spells. Jun isn't really great at all.
Nina Wyndia (BoF3) vs Relm Arrowny (FF6)- ;_; Stupid lightning resist.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2008, 08:04:00 PM »
Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3)- The only way Cliff loses any substantial HP through battle skill HP cost is if he's cancel comboing

I should note that if you factor in HP loses for battle skills, it should then send the damage average down a fair amount.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2008, 01:01:19 PM »
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Myria (BoFs) vs Jecht (FFX) - Myria. Pretty funny match actually.
Rubicant (FF4) vs Emelious de Pamela (G3) - Rubicant. He burned the rope and saved us all. Now he's a hero.
Melfice (G2) vs Xorn (G3) - Xorn.
Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Jade (BoF1) - Nate Nanjo. Cock block'd... wait, I mean spoil'd. No JadeXMyria hyping! Damn you fanfiction writers!

Heavy

Red (Saga) vs Lazlo (S4) - Red.
Emeralda Kasim (XG) vs T260G (Saga) - T260G. God I hate typing that name.
Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3) - Ayla. Kneejerk, Ayla's durable enough to offset the speed difference I think? There IS a speed difference, right? I can't be assed to check the CT stat topic right now, if Ayla's not slow then even better for her.
EDIT: Looked it up, she's not slow, match to Ayla.
Garnet Til Alexandros (FF9) vs Ike (FE9) - Garnet. I was thinking Ike could off her before she could secure her victory, but all the Garnet hype is making me double think that.
EDIT: Um, after looking at the stat topics to confirm the hype, I'm pretty convinced Ike wins this. Ever-so-slightly faster, 2HKOs given her frailty, and what turn 1 status does she have, Blind? That buys her another turn, and she certainly doesn't OHKO.

Middle

Menardi (GS) vs Legault (FE7) - Menardi. Former Godlike Champion. One of the few people to beat Myria as well!
Yangus (DQ8) vs Ulf (G3) - Ulf. If I'm not mistaken. Way to blow it, Yangy.
Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs Jean (BoF2) - Jean. God damnit, someone throw a boss his way please. This is becoming sickening.
Jade Curtiss (TotA) vs Haschel (LoD) - Jade. Oh great, Jean makes the upgrade pool and possibly champs if Menardi doesn't make the finals.

Light

Zoah (CC) vs  Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) - Mustadio.
Lucied (WAs) vs Yukimaru (Dis2) - Yukimaru. Yukimaru in Light still doesn't make sense to me.
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Jun (VP1) - Red Wizard. Or: Red Wiz.
Nina Wyndia (BoF3) vs Relm Arrowny (FF6) - Relm Arrowny.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2008, 03:30:21 PM »
Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3)
Garnet Til Alexandros (FF9) vs Ike (FE9): Unless FF9 status all hits evasion like Garland's Stop vs. Tana? Blind should buy her enough time, since she goes first and isn't doubled.

Menardi (GS) vs Legault (FE7): Goes first, isn't doubled, 3HKOs against someone with lowish damage. Don't think Killing Edge crits would be quite enough fast enough here.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2008, 08:43:18 PM »
EDIT: Um, after looking at the stat topics to confirm the hype, I'm pretty convinced Ike wins this. Ever-so-slightly faster, 2HKOs given her frailty, and what turn 1 status does she have, Blind? That buys her another turn, and she certainly doesn't OHKO.

For starters, FE characters aren't faster than above average speed people in the initiative sense. So, Ike isn't faster than Garnet. Second, FF9 Blind is pretty badass, and buying Garnet another turn is all she needs once it connects, since, you know, now Ike effectively 4HKOs. She can even cast Protect to stave the 2HKO off the bat anyway and buy another turn. But this is all entirely moot considering Ike doesn't go first: Garnet gets two turns to win with Mini.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2008, 09:10:07 PM »
Maybe he takes the speed as the actual speed stat? >_>
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2008, 09:32:20 PM »
... uh, he could. But that's so counterintuitive and so not what FE's speed stat does. Forgot about that.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2008, 09:39:27 PM »
There's also Ike's Evade/Chance of Aether/critting to throw in the mix of probabilities.

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Myria (BoFs) vs Jecht (FFX): The obvious match of the week.
Rubicant (FF4) vs Emelious de Pamela (G3): Rubi has to go after the Orb first or eat the perfect evasion. That means Emo gets a lot of turns to hurt Rubi.
Melfice (G2) vs Xorn (G3): Faster, hits harder, more durable...

Heavy

Red (Saga) vs Lazlo (S4): Maybe if Everlasting Mercy healed Lazlo?
Emeralda Kasim (XG) vs T260G (Saga): Boomdyada.
Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3): Pretty straightforward "3HKO first"
Garnet Til Alexandros (FF9) vs Ike (FE9): Garnet wants to win this through something like MHP gravity -> Ark for the 2HKO. I don't view CTB speed as affecting FE doubles anymore, so not sure how that goes down with the evade/chance of Aether/crit.


Middle

Yangus (DQ8) vs Ulf (G3): Perfect evade or go first and 2HKO.
Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs Jean (BoF2): Death.
Jade Curtiss (TotA) vs Haschel (LoD): Goes first and 2HKOs probably works. INDIGNATION THOUGH wait.

Light

Zoah (CC) vs  Mustadio Bunanza (FFT): Musty in a duel.
Lucied (WAs) vs Yukimaru (Dis2): WA3 form hype... sure.
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Jun (VP1): Ruse or something.
Nina Wyndia (BoF3) vs Relm Arrowny (FF6): Resists elements? Works for me.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2008, 10:27:58 PM »
Ugh, this is (one of) the reason(s) why I hate FE in the DL. I avoid "Ok, everyone's the same speed!" as much as possible, and in that FE8 arena mode thing, unless I'm remembering wrong, who ever had the highest speed always hit first no matter who launched the attack, so I've always taken AS/Speed as initiative. If I'm remembering wrong, then uh, guess he's screwed.

Do we allow FE people to counter attack moves like Blind/Mini? If so, he has a little hope since if he's attacking twice/three times per turn he's bound to hit her twice before turn 3. Bah, whatever, I abstain for now.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2008, 11:22:23 PM »
FE characters can't counter status spells in-game. And, in all the FEs I played, the person who gets the initiative in an attack is always the one who initiates it outside of skills like Vantage/Ambush, and I've heard nothing that shows FE9 working otherwise (think that'd get mentioned by the game's players if it did, since it's a notable change that would immediately call some attention).

EDIT: Only exception I know being in FE4's Battle Arena, but Battle Arena mechanics are -not- a good sample of how to interpret FE mechanics as a whole, and considering that initiative belongs to the one who initiates the attack regardless of speed elsewhere... yeah.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2008, 12:42:01 AM »
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Myria (BoFs) vs Jecht (FFX) - ...well damn.  Tyr takes this, I guess.  The Best loses.  ;_;
Rubicant (FF4) vs Emelious de Pamela (G3) - Emelious.  Multiple parts helps a lot, as does the better speed.  Also, Flash.  Glare hits evade in-game of the magic variety, so it should here as well.  That...yeah.  Rubicante faces his death here.
Melfice (G2) vs Xorn (G3) - ...wow.  Xorn.  Damn good, but having Death Knell helps, as does Despair.  Also, better speed than Songi >_>
Nate Nanjo (Pers) vs Jade (BoF1) - NATE.  GO SPEED RACER! ...go get killed next week >_>

Heavy

Red (Saga) vs Lazlo (S4) - Lazlo.  Red guards ID, but...yeah.  ST form just nukes when it needs to.  Red's HP are average to me (see endgame HP around 750-800 or so), and...the healing from Alkaiser helps, but...I think he' still on edge?  It's a good fight I need to think about.
Emeralda Kasim (XG) vs T260G (Saga) - ...Robot whore.
Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3) - ...wow.  Ok!  Cliff can deal good enough MP damage...he's actually probably better than it looks, since I think Adray's multipliers on Spicule are off.  So above average MP damage, likely.  Guess it depends on how you take damages, in the end.  If you just assume straight attacks off X blows, he probably Infinity Kicks and eliminates HP loss enough to run Ayla out of MP...granted, the threat of a critical from her ultimate weapon is dangerous, and she is fast...and she can even do the Confuse thing...looks like Ayla's fight overall, but...yeah, looks like hers.
Garnet Til Alexandros (FF9) vs Ike (FE9) - Ike.  Aether after Aether wins this.  Thanks God for his SSBB form. 

Middle

Menardi (GS) vs Legault (FE7) - Menardi.  Fast enough for this easily.  Her magic doesn't miss in-game either.
Yangus (DQ8) vs Ulf (G3) - Ulf.  To be fair, I don't know if I'd see some of Yangus' stuff missing, but...eh, works.  Ulf needs that upgrade.
Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs Jean (BoF2) - ...God fucking damnit.  Well...uh...Jean sucks.  Get back to Light and start losing so you're interesting again.
Jade Curtiss (TotA) vs Haschel (LoD) - ...huh.  Jade does solid enough damage here, but risks getting nuked with the Destroyer Mace.  Don't think he can get around that here.

Light

Zoah (CC) vs  Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) - ZOAH.
Lucied (WAs) vs Yukimaru (Dis2) - Yukimaru, I guess.  Need more WA1o boss notes, I think.
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Jun (VP1) - ...ugh.  Red Wizard, I guess.  ARGH.
Nina Wyndia (BoF3) vs Relm Arrowny (FF6)  - Relm.  FF6 Easy Type form for Heavy.  Also, Control and Sketch.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2008, 02:03:29 AM »
Lucied (WAs) vs Yukimaru (Dis2) - Yukimaru, I guess.  Need more WA1o boss notes, I think.

If you allow form choosing (which I think you do), Lucied 3 probably beats Yukimaru pretty handily. Lucied 3 is a physical tank on top of good HP, and Yukimaru and her SP can't really overcome the draining.
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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2008, 03:27:25 AM »
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Red (Saga) vs Lazlo (S4) - Lazlo.  Red guards ID, but...yeah.  ST form just nukes when it needs to.  Red's HP are average to me (see endgame HP around 750-800 or so), and...the healing from Alkaiser helps, but...I think he' still on edge?  It's a good fight I need to think about.

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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2008, 03:40:28 AM »
Re FE Initiative: Good to hear that people aren't really using Speed that much, though slightly surprised.  A variant that I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet - use Move + Weapon Range for initiative.  It's certainly what would decide initiative in a FE vs. FE duel (imagine a long corridor; keep moving slightly out of that other person's range until you back them into a corner), and it might be fair to use that in general anyway.  It gives a nice boost to aerial units and cavalry, who are awesome in game for this reason, and rightly punishes some of the slow footmen who generally have problems getting to the battle in time.  Also, non-moving bosses have a functional Move of 0, so their "last strike" disadvantage works with using movement as initiative pretty well.

Of course, this doesn't help Ike much, since he's probably below average move anyway, what with the large number of mounted/aerial units you get in FE9 and the paucity of Knight/Generals.

The thing that throws me is that while I agree that Speed isn't a good indicator of initiative in FE, people still seem to be willing to allow turn-based speed to work not just for initiative, but also double-turns.  Nash will never ever double turn Ghaleon in game, and turn-based speed buffs like Saner don't magically give you more actions, so it's slightly weird that the prevailing interpretation in the DL is that they do.  I'll admit that this change is interesting in some ways and avoids weird situations like Ramza outspeeding Piastol, but it's definitely not something keeping to in-game mechanics.

On a less serious FE note...

Garnet Til Alexandros (FF9) vs Ike (FE9) - Ike.  Aether after Aether wins this.  Thanks God for his SSBB form. 

I'm going to assume this is humor, but Ike's Aether in SSBB doesn't restore his HP nor halve enemy defense, and is also telegraphed from a mile away, so yeah, that's not a winning strategy.  Great Aether would work, of course, but a Smash Ball isn't coming out until 2 minutes into the match or so, so that's a no go.  More generally, Ike isn't particularly evasive in SSBB, and SSBB mini hits the entire screen anyway, so this is good news for Garnet's attempts to Mini Ike.  And a blinded Ike (you can't see the screen?) who already has bad recovery trying to jump back on?  Garnet gets to actually KO someone with her racket attack, since Ike ignominiously falls off despite the low damage.

Then there's the fact that in the world of SSBB, you probably have to take Eidolon summoning animations literally.  Yeah.  Don't mess with Garnet in Brawl.

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Re: Season 45, Week 3 - Myria wants to be Ike's friend. Greil shudders.
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2008, 03:59:04 AM »
I only use threat range (move + attack) as a tiebreak for FE personally, though yeah, if you really hate everyone being average speed, I'd definitely use this. In which case Ike is... still pretty average, he has a threat range of 9 in a cast that ranges from 7 to 11. Thinking that, if anything, more are on the higher end, though - laguz, any paladin/flyer beat him, and any infantry with a ranged weapon matches him, leaving only mages, armours, and infantry using melee that he beats.

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Myria (BoFs) vs Jecht (FFX): Hahaha.
Rubicant (FF4) vs Emelious de Pamela (G3): Scorch just hurts a bit too much, here.
Melfice (G2) vs Xorn (G3): Mismatch.

Heavy

Ayla (CT) vs Cliff Fittir (SO3): 3HKOs first.
Garnet Til Alexandros (FF9) vs Ike (FE9): Ike could win this if he doubles (but only +3.8 speed makes me think he won't...) and if he 2HKOs, and if Garnet can't get through that with Blind and/or Protect. I guess high Aether respect could tilt this in Ike's favour provided you also see Ike doubling, but yeah I do not fall into a high Aether respect camp at all.

Middle

Yangus (DQ8) vs Ulf (G3): Ulf smash.
Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs Jean (BoF2): Yay, Death!
Jade Curtiss (TotA) vs Haschel (LoD): Faster, 2HKOs.

Light

Zoah (CC) vs  Mustadio Bunanza (FFT): Snipe is horrible.
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Jun (VP1): 3HKOs first.
Nina Wyndia (BoF3) vs Relm Arrowny (FF6): Elemental walling.

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