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Shining Force II
« on: August 27, 2008, 11:05:38 PM »
Unoriginal's Notes
1. First off, thanks to Gourry for providing some additional stats to eliminate some of the (admitedly limited) randomness from the following, for providing stats for Sarah and Karna's Vicar class, and for providing approximate status odds.

2. If a spell has a *,  its technically learned aftergame.

3. Critical hits do about 20-25% more damage than a normal attack.

Dhyerwolf's Notes
1. Topic has been revamped to put DL characters first. Also, a damage average is added, as well as elements to spells. Bosses are now in post 2.

2. Averages up top since there is a lot of scrolling otherwise.
HP: 78
Damage: 39.4 (Kill Point: 98.5)
Defense: 70
Speed: 57.8
Standard Deviation: 7

RANKED CHARACTERS
Bowie
HP: 92
MP: 24
Att: 52 (98) [94]
Def: 81
Agi: 50 (-1.11 SD)
Force Sword +46 Att
Levanter +42 Att, casts Blaze 3 (20 Fire Damage damage)

Attack: 48
Crit Rate: 6% (3/50)
Double Attack Rate: 8% (4/50)

Bolt 4*- 65 Lightning Damage (55-60 Listed Range), 20 MP 

Chaz
HP: 76
MP: 82
Att: 27 (49)
Def: 57 (62)
Agi: 53 (-0.69 SD)
Gaurdian Staff +22/+5 Def

Bolt 4*- 65 Lightning Magic, 20 MP
Bolt 2- 20 Lightning Magic, 15 MP
Freeze 4*- 55 Ice Magic, 12 MP
Blaze 4*- 45 Fire Magic, 10 MP
Blaze 2- 15 Fire Magic, 6 MP
Dispel- 25% Silence, chance to wear off at the end of every turn, 5 MP

Chester
HP: 89
Att: 49 (80)
Def: 67
Agi: 62 (+0.6 SD)
Chrome Lance +31

Attack: 30
Crit Rate: 2%
Double Attack Rate: 2%

Elric
HP: 74
Att: 43 (72)
Def: 58
Agi: 62 (+0.6 SD)
Great Shot +29
~25% bonus vs. Flyers

Attack: 22
Crit Rate: 2%
Double Attack Rate: 6%

Gerhalt
HP: 82
Att: 99
Def: 77
Agi: 60 (+0.31 SD)

Attack: 49
Crit Rate: 2%
Double Attack Rate: 4%
 
Jaha
HP: 79
Att: 54 (82)
Def: 97
Agi: 49 (-1.26 SD)
Great Axe +28

Attack: 32
Crit Rate: 8%
Double Attack Rate: 14%

Kazin
HP: 69
MP: 80
Att: 31 (53)
Def: 50 (55)
Agi: 74 (+2.31 SD)
Gaurdian Staff +22/+5 Def

Blaze 4- 45 Fire Damage (Listed Range 35-40), 10 MP
Muddle 2- 40% Confusion, has a chance to wear off at the end of every turn, 11 MP
Dispel 1- 25% Silence, has a chance to wear off at the end of every turn, 5 MP
Desoul 1- 35% ID, 8 MP

Kiwi
HP: 36
Att: 89
Def: 90
Agi: 51 (-0.97 SD)

Attack: 39
Fire Breath: 30 ITD Fire Damage?, 40% Rate
Crit Rate: 4%
Double Attack Rate: 6%

Lemon
HP: 86
Att: 54 (104) {83}
Def: 81 (76)
Agi: 59 (+0.17 SD)
Sword of Darkness +50/-5 Def, casts Desoul (it can break if used enough, but that probably wouldn't come up in most duel situations). Sword is Cursed, and has a chance of either ruining an attack by stunning the user before it goes off, or inflicting a small amount of recoil damage.
{Great Sword +29}

Attack: 54

Luke
HP: 80
Att: 41 (70)
Def: 64
Agi: 64 (+0.89 SD)
Great Sword +29

Attack: 20
Crit Rate: 4%
Double Attack Rate: 2%

May
HP: 64
Att: 47 (76)
Def: 55
Agi: 53 (-0.69 SD)
Great Shot +29
~25% damage bonus vs. Flyers

Attack: 26
Crit Rate: 6%
Double Attack Rate: 8%

Peter
HP: 98
Att: 107
Def: 79
Agi: 52 (-0.83 SD)
Halves fire

Attack: 57
Crit Rate: 8%
Double Attack Rate: 8%

Rohde
HP: 73
Att: 43 (72)
Def: 75
Agi: 47 (-1.54 SD)
Great Shot +29
~25% bonus vs. Flyers

Attack: 22
Crit Rate: 2%
Double Attack Rate: 2%

Sarah (Monk)
HP: 78
MP: 61
Att: 45 (88)
Def: 66
Agi: 57 (-0.11 SD)
Iron Knuckles +43

Attack: 38
Crit Rate: 12% (6/50)
Double Attack Rate: 2% (2/50)

Heal 4- Full Healing, 20 MP
Heal 3- Heals 37 HP, 10 MP 
Blast 4- 35 Wind Magic, 8 MP
Slow 1- Speed and Defense Down 33%, with 11% returning to target at end of each of target’s turns, 3 MP
Detox 1- Cures Poison, 3 MP

Sarah (Vicar)
HP: 78
MP: 61
Att: 37 (59)
Def: 54 (59)
Agi: 59 (+0.17 SD)
Gaurdian Staff +22/+5 Def
Spells are identical to her Monk class'

Attack: 9

Heal 4- Full Healing, 20 MP
Heal 3- Heals 37 HP, 10 MP 
Blast 4- 35 Wind Magic, 8 MP
Slow 1- Speed and Defense Down 33%, with 11% returning to target at end of each of target’s turns, 3 MP
Detox 1- Cures Poison, 3 MP

Sheela
HP: 74
MP: 59
Att: 37 (80) [92] {100}
Def: 53
Agi: 57 (-0.11 SD)
Iron Knuckles +43
[Giant Knuckles +55, casts Muddle 1]
{Evil Knuckles +63, chance to taking 5-6 recoil damage every attack, might also lose turns now and then}
(If you disallow Sarah and Karna their Monk class, then the Knuckle-class weapons become unique to Sheela, and she can use the Giant/Evil Knuckles freely)

Attack: 30 (42 as only Monk)
Crit Rate: 6%
Doubling Rate: 4%

Heal 4*- Full Healing, 20 MP
Heal 3- Heals 37 HP, 10 MP
Blast 4*- 35 Wind Magic, 8 MP 
Boost- ~40% gain to Def and Agi, loses 1/3 of the bonus at the end of every turn, 2 MP
Muddle 2- ~40% Confusion, Chance of Wearing off Each Turn, 11 MP

Slade
HP: 77
MP: 46
Att: 50 (92)
Def: 71
Agi: 63 (+0.74 SD)
Gisarme +42/chance of ID (not sure on the exact %... has anyone seen Slade pull of a double-attack or Critical after equiping this? If not, it might replace those with the ID effect)

Attack- 42 Damage, 30% ID (Works on Bosses)
Double Attack Rate: 2%

Katon 3- 45 Magic Damage, 12 MP
Raijin 3*- 65 Magic Damage, 20 MP
(Katon seems to be non-elemental, as it hit Pyrohydras for full damage. Raijin might act the same way.)

Taya
HP: 67
MP: 80
Att: 25 (47)
Def: 47 (52)
Agi: 64 (+0.89 SD)
Gaurdian Staff +22/+5 Def

Atlas 2: 80 Earth Magic, 23 MP
Atlas 1: 45 Earth Magic, 14 MP
Neptune 2: 75 Ice Magic, 19 MP
Neptune 1: 35 Ice Magic, 12 MP
Apollo 2: 55 Fire Magic, 17 MP
Dao 2: 45 (Elemental?) Magic, 15 MP

Zynk
HP: 77
Att: 98
Def: 78
Agi: 54 (-0.54 SD)

Attack: 48%
Crit Rate: 24%
Double Attack Rate: 2%

UNRANKED PCs
Claude
HP: 66
Att: 100
Def: 102
Agi: 47
Halves fire
 
Attack: 50

Eric
HP: 97
Att: 55 (86)
Def: 73
Agi: 68
Chrome Lance +31

Attack: 36

Freyja
HP: 76
MP: 67
Att: 41 (63) [70] {72}
Def: 53 (58)
Agi: 52
Gaudian Staff +22/+5 Def
[Holy Staff +29/Regen 2 HP per turn]
{Goddess Staff +31, casts Aura 2}
(If Sarah and Karna are allowed their Monk class, then Freyja becomes the only Vicar, and the Holy/Goddess Staffs become unique to him)

Attack: 13 (22 as only Vicar)

Heal 4*- Full Healing, 20 MP
Detox- Cures Poison, 3 MP
Attack- Att goes up by ~40%, but can't be self targeted(I assume it wears off at the same rate boost does), 7 MP
Aura 4*- MT Full Healing, 20 MP 

Gyan
HP: 83
Att: 53 (81)
Def: 90
Agi: 48
Great Axe +28

Attack: 31

Higins
HP: 87
Att: 48 (79)
Def: 67
Agi: 55
Chrome Lance +31

Attack: 29

Janet
HP: 79
Att: 41 (70)
Def: 59
Agi: 62
Great Shot +29
~25% bonus vs. Flyers

Attack: 20
Crit Rate: 16%
Double Attack Rate: 6%

Jaro
HP: 85
Att: 48 (79)
Def: 65
Agi: 63
Chrome Lance +31

Attack: 29

Karna (Monk)
HP: 97
MP: 77
Att: 48 (91)
Def: 48
Agi: 58
Iron Knuckles +43

Attack: 41
Crit Rate: 16%
Double Attack Rate: 10%

Heal 3- Heals 37 HP, 10 MP
Boost- Defense and Speed up 40%, 1/3 wears off at end of every turn including turn it was cast, 2 MP
Blast 4- 35 Wind Magic, 8 MP
Aura 4*- MT Full Healing, 20 MP 

Karna (Vicar)
HP: 87
MP: 95
Att: 26 (48)
Def: 44 (49)
Agi: 64
Gaurdian Staff +22/+5 Def

Heal 3- Heals 37 HP, 10 MP
Boost- Defense and Speed up 40%, 1/3 wears off at end of every turn including turn it was cast, 2 MP
Blast 4- 35 Magic Damage, 8 MP
Aura 4*- MT Full Healing, 20 MP 
 
Randolf
HP: 84
Att: 57 (85)
Def: 94
Agi: 52
Great Axe +28

Attack: 35

Rick
HP: 87
Att: 45 (76)
Def: 82
Agi: 69
Chrome Lance +31

Attack: 26

Skreech
HP: 80
Att: 46 (75)
Def: 61
Agi: 58
Great Sword +29

Attack: 25

Tyrin
HP: 65
MP: 78
Att: 31 (53)
Def: 57 (62)
Agi: 65
Gaurdian Staff +22/+5 Def

Blaze 4*- 45 Fire Damage, 10 MP
Blaze 2- 15 Fire Damage, 6 MP
Freeze 4- 55 Ice Damage, 12 MP
Bolt 4*- 65 Lightning Damage, 20 MP
Bolt 2- 20 Lightning Damage, 15 MP
Sleep- 40~45% Sleep, being hit won't wake the target, has a chance to wear off at the end of every turn, 4 MP

Averages
HP
1. Peter: 98
2. Eric: 97
2. Karna (Monk): 97
4. Bowie: 92
5. Chester: 89
6. Rick: 87
6. Higins: 87
(Karna (Vicar): 87)
8. Lemon: 86
9. Jaro: 85
10. Randolf: 84
11. Gyan: 83
12. Gerhalt: 82
13. Luke: 80
13. Skreech: 80
15. Janet: 79
15. Jaha: 79
17. Sarah (Both): 78 
18. Zynk: 77
18. Slade: 77
20. Freyja: 76
20. Chaz: 76
22. Sheela: 74
22. Elric: 74
24. Rohde: 73
25. Kazin: 69
26. Taya: 67
27. Claude: 66
28. Tyrin: 65
29. May: 64
30. Kiwi: 36
Average: 78

Three Turn Damage Average
1. Taya: 80
2. Tyrin: 65
2. Chaz: 65
4. Slade: 57   
4. Peter: 57
6. Lemon: 54
6. Bowie: 54
8. Claude: 50 
9. Gerhalt: 49
10. Zynk: 48
11. Kazin: 45
(Sheela (As Only Monk): 42)
12. Karna (Monk): 41
13. Kiwi: 39
14. Sarah (Monk): 38
15. Eric: 36
16. Randolf: 35
16. Sheela: 35
(Sarah (Vicar): 35)
(Karna (Vicar): 35) 
18. Jaha: 32 
19. Gyan: 31
20. Chester: 30
21. Higins: 29
21. Jaro: 29
23.Rick: 26
23. May: 26
25. Skreech: 25
26. Freyja (Only Vicar): 22
26. Rohde: 22
26. Elric: 22
29. Janet: 20
29. Luke: 20
(Freyja: 13)
 Average: 39.4 (Kill Point 98.5) (39 with Vicars- 97.5 Kill Point)

Def
1. Claude: 102
2. Jaha: 97
3. Randolf: 94
4. Gyan: 90
4. Kiwi: 90
6. Rick: 82
7. Bowie: 81
8. Peter: 79
9. Zynk: 78
10. Gerhalt: 77
11. Lemon: 76
12. Rohde: 75
13. Eric: 73
14. Slade: 71
15. Higins: 67
15. Chester: 67
17. Sarah (Monk): 66
18. Jaro: 65
19. Luke: 64
20. Tyrin: 62
20. Chaz: 62
21. Skreech: 61
(Sarah (Vicar): 59)
22. Janet: 59
23. Elric: 58
24. Freyja: 58
25. Kazin: 55
25. May: 55
27. Freyja: 53
27. Sheela: 53
29. Taya: 52
(Karna (Vicar): 49)
30. Karna (Monk): 48
Average: 70

Agi
1. Kazin: 74
2. Rick: 69
3. Eric: 68
4. Tyrin: 65
5. Luke: 64
5. Taya: 64
(Karna (Vicar): 64)
7. Jaro: 63
7. Slade: 63
9. Janet: 62
9. Chester: 62
9. Elric: 62
12. Gerhalt: 60
13. Lemon: 59
14. Karna (Monk): 58
14. Skreech: 58
16. Sarah (Both): 57
16. Sheela: 57
18. Higins: 55
19. Zynk: 54
20. Kiwi: 53
20. May: 53
20. Chaz: 53
23. Peter: 52
23. Randolf: 52
23. Freyja: 52
26. Bowie: 50
27. Jaha: 49
28. Gyan: 48
29. Rohde: 47
29. Claude: 47
Average: 57.8
Standard deviation: 7.0
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Re: Shining Force II
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 11:05:57 PM »
Unoriginal Boss Notes
All bosses act twice a round, but not necessarily consecutively

Zalbard (Party level 10~11)
HP: 80
MP: 65
Att: 91
Def: 50
Agi: 52
Halves Fire
Bolt 2- 16-17 (Might be 20 in practice), 15 MP

Notes: From what I can remember, Zalbard seems to almost always get a crit when he attacks, he managed to get 5 in a row during the story fight, and another 2 in the bonus battle after the end. However, he seems to lose this if he's forced to use his physical, as as he stopped getting them after he ran out of MP for Bolt 2. I'll probably test this more extensively at a later date.

Cameela (Party level 14~15)
HP: 99
Att: 96
Def: 52
Agi: 58
Iron Ball +?, casts Blaze 3, doesn't break

Might resist Ice by a third or so, need to test again later.

Red Baron (Party level ~18)
HP: 150
Att: ~100
Def: 54
Agi: 62
Dark Sword +50, casts Desoul

Notes: Lemon's other form, if you allow it.

Geshp (Party level ~19)
HP: 180
MP: 120
Att: 105~110
Def: 51
Agi: 63
Flail +19

Freeze 4- 45-50 (Maybe 55 in practice), 12 MP

Notes: Resists Fire, Ice, and Bolt. Might also resist Blast, but I'll have to check again later. Didn't resist Atlas though, so his defences only work on elemental attacks.

Odd Eye (Party level 21~22)
HP: 200
MP: 160
Att: 105~110
Def: 54
Agi: 67
Counter Sword +39, Increases counter rate(not by much though)

Odd Eye Beam- ~21

Notes: His physical has a decent(30~50%) chance to put someone to sleep, and he seems to cut Ice damage by ~1/3. He's got MP, but has no use for them.

Galam (Party level 23~24)
HP: 240
MP: 180
Att: 105~110
Def: 50
Agi: 62
Demon Rod +50/-10 Def, steals MP when used (Not sure of how much though)

Demon Breath- 37~41
Attack Does: 35-40 Against Endgame Defense (So Maybe 1-2 more at most with him)

Notes: Halves Ice and Lightning, but that's all I was able to cast on him, so he might have more resistances than that. Again, he has MP and nothing to use it for.

Zeon (Party level ~25)
HP: 500
MP: 180
Att: 105~110
Def: 50
Agi: 72

Demon Breath- ~47
Attack: 35-40 against Endgame Defense

Notes: Other than the mysterious MP he has no use for, he doesn't seem to have any quirks.
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Re: Shining Force II
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2008, 11:06:50 PM »
Misc. notes:

Kiwi halves lightning damage.
Slade's spells are non-elemental.
Cameela does resist ice by 1/3, yeah. (26 from Freeze... 2? 26 instead of 40, in any case)
Geshp halves Blast along with the rest.
Galam halves all elemental magic like Geshp.
"Sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology."
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