Talking with QR about the "This Is Not Worth Considering" thing, I feel like I should post my thoughts on it here.
On Third Parties: Okay, I have a suggestion. how about we, as townies, stop thinking about Scum and Third Party as if they were seperate things and just consider Town and Not-Town? I'm really with Alex on the "non-SK third parties are not worth thinking about" because he's right, you can't plan for them. "well what about the possibility of a third party survivor?" What about it? They don't kill people on thier own, they don't have teammates to draw connections to/from, and generally there's nothing you can do to plan for them or hunt them down specifically. So...what do you do about them? Nothing, you assume there isn't one and go with looking for something you CAN hunt down, like scum or an SK. Maybe I'm having a lack of imagination here, but I certainly can't think of any ways to specifically look for roles like Kilgas aside from looking for Generic Scumtells. Which means you may as well call him Scum and not bother with the "what about a Third Party?" debates at all.
On Sanities: Okay, this is where I slide away from Alex's viewpoint. Alex, this is the DL. Games here are a bit role happy as a rule and we have seen alot of odd sanities. They might be So Rare As To Not Be Worth Consideration in other forums, but not this one, man. You need to underdstand the environment you're playing in and adapt to it a bit more. Sanities are perfectly valid things to consider here, and while yeah, that does make for alot of potential WIFOM, it's still better then not thinking about it at all.
Now as for another note(also about Alex. I'm talking about him so much you'd think this was a Mafia Game post or something):
The adapting style was very much noted in the beginning and was an excellent change of pace. You shied away from lynching Delta and Cid and it proved to be a good move. Keep adapting in that direction and I think things will go alot more smoothly.
Just, dude, the "I Hate This Game And Everyone In It" attitude near the end of the game there was...uh...yeah, bad. You being one of the big proponents of "Don't Take This Personally It Is A Game", I have to turn that back on you and say not to take setups you disagree with as personal attacks. If other people need to not get worked up over the social stuff, you need to not get worked up over the mechanical stuff. If you see something you think is imbalanced, like in this game, just play through it and explain why you think it was bad in the aftergame discussion. Maybe mention it in the topic, but don't get all THE WORLD IS OVER about it like you did this time, alright? I do understand the frustration, but reacting to it like that is only going to cause people to NOT listen to you out of frustration with *you*.
And on THAT note:
Excal. Chill out. Checking in from Team Passive Agressive Pansy myself(are we still allowed to use those terms?), I do tend to agree with some of your points, which I think I've mentioned which ones I do and don't agree with above. But the tone you presented them in? The tone made me want to completely disagree with you on sheer kneejerk against that kind of attitude. Like I just said, I get frustration, but dude, that was a little much there.
And now for a random note to:
Kilga: Dude, I love reading other mafia games but usually can't because of the sheer "Wall Of Words, 20th Level Caster" thing. That's why I, as a spectator, liked this game so much. I highly recommend mafia spectating to those who don't feel like playing, especially if we'll be keeping to the Succinct Mafia rule from now on.
