Succinct Mafia - Game over

[Sierra]

If people are gonna keep talking, I'll keep waiting. I should be up for at least another hour.

[Ranmilia]

Rat, none of that explains the "Excal investigated me" stuff.

I still have no explanation as to why there was no kill last night and what the Anonyvote is.  That is at least two other roles in play, unless scum no-killed.

I WANT TO KNOW THESE THINGS.

I am a sad Alex when logic fails and I have to coerce other people into telling me all their cool roles that I had no idea existed.

Yes, Kilga that means I want you to claim.  In fact your sudden burst of "I don't really want to claim today, let's lynch Rat" makes me want to vote you.

[Kilgamayan]

All right. I'm bulletproof.

Before you ask, I was also not attacked last night.

[Ranmilia]

Hahahahahaha
What

So nobody claims Anonyvote.
Let me think.

[EvilTom]

It could be a scum role. Anonyvote isn't strictly town (though in an 8/3 setup that sounds harsh, it might make more sense for an ITP to have it though).

And maybe Kilga wasn't alerted to the fact that he was targeted? Or is there a rule I've missed somewhere..

Or maybe Delta has a conditional vote which he wasn't told of?

These theories are a bit of a stretch though, but watcher/conditional Vig? Bizarre in itself.

[Laggy]

Just for clarification, since Alex brought this up earlier - if you are the target of a nightkill attempt and it fails you will be told that an attempt on your life was made during the night phase.

[Carthrat]

Rat, none of that explains the "Excal investigated me" stuff.

I already explained this, pages and pages ago in day two. I wasn't even obsessive over it like you said, people (you!) just kept asking me after the fact and I had to respond. It seems that everyone seems to think Excal targeted them night zero, lately. There are no more reasons for me to think the way I did (and for what it's worth, I stand by it.)

I believe Delta likely possesses the anonyvote, and it triggers when he pushes someone to -1 to hammer. I don't think he was aware of this. I don't think some other party possesses it and wants to keep it hidden, because Ciato was surely going to get lynched yesterday anyway and there was no need to push it along like that when you could keep it hidden and surprise people during LYLO.

[Ranmilia]

Okay.  Nobody is going to step up and claim responsibility for the lack of a kill last night?  In that case it has to be due to the scum choosing no kill.

This lessens my suspicion of Dread Thomas because I can't see how going for nokill would benefit him in the slightest.  +suspicion on Sopko and Kilga and to some extent Rat.

I'm not sure what to think of Rat's claim.

My kneejerk is that one of Sopko and Kilga is lying, but this is a weird setup no matter how you slice it.

How's this for a floating plan.

We lynch Kilga today, Rat watches himself, Sopko doctors Rat, Rat kills Sopko.

In the morning we end up with Sopko dead and Rat alive.  

If Kilga is the scum we win via lynch now.
If Sopko is the scum, we win, as he is either ganked by Rat or does not target Rat and then we lynch him.
If Rat is the scum, we wind up with Sopko dead and are back where we started?
If Dread Thomas is the scum, we either wind up in the same case as above if he nokills or down one more person if he kills.
If Delta or Cid or me is the scum -

Discuss.

[Ranmilia]

To clarify we are left with 5 alive if just Kilga and Sopko die and have 2 lynches to get Rat/Tom/???.
If the scum kills in addition to that we are left in LYLO at 4, but we can be assured that Rat is not the scum.

[Ranmilia]

##Unvote: Rat

Role madness wheee

[Carthrat]

I can't watch myself.

[Kilgamayan]

My kneejerk is that one of Sopko and Kilga is lying, but this is a weird setup no matter how you slice it.

If it matters, I've been telegraphing being bulletproof since the beginning of Day 2.

Remove my post telling Laggy he needed to update the topic title (because my telegraph plan slipped my mind for a single moment), and, starting with my first Day 2 post, the first letter of each of my posts up to the first one I made after Rat claimed spells out "Wolfsbane", the common name for the TWG version of BP.

[Ranmilia]

Okay, fine, change the night target to me.  Does it still work?  
I think so but I may be overlooking something.

(Why didn't you mention that earlier?  Is there anything else you'd like to add like "I couldn't kill anyone night zero"?)

The lynch target today can also substitute someone else for Kilga, Tom probably, I just picked Kilga because of the higher probability 1 of Sop/Kil is lying.

[Laggy]

Stepping in again, Night 0 explicitly allows no nightkill actions, scum or not.

[EvilTom]

Wouldn't a much better plan involve Rat watching Sopko?

[Kilgamayan]

Rat can't shoot Sopko if he's watching Sopko, nor can he see anyone that targeted Sopko.

[Ranmilia]

Tom: I'm assuming Sopko can't target himself with doctoring.  The whole upshot of this is basically to make Rat vig Sopko.

Sopko has played about the same as I would expect for a doctor.  Then again that's also about what I'd expect for scum.  Then again, see my earlier comments on how I can't see Soppy/Ciato/Bard.
Kilga hasn't played the way I'd expect from a bulletproof.  Hasn't been nearly vocal enough nor tried to give off any role tells.  I'm not sure how good evidence that is though.  I could see Kilga/Ciato/Bard, I suppose.  Kilga had some analysis early on that gave me townie vibes from him.

There's a very outside shot that Cid is the scum and Ciato day 2 was pulling an end run for him.  I don't consider this anywhere near likely, but what the hey, we've got an unexplained nokill and an anonyvote, why not.

[Sierra]

Sopko can't protect himself, Tom (probably. Docs usually can't), so this only achieves the desired effect if someone tries to kill Sopko. Which they won't, with us publicly deciding on the plan.

Alex ninja, argh.

[Kilgamayan]

Er, he can't see anyone that Sopko targeted.

[Ranmilia]

Or Delta for that matter.

I can't see Delta no-killing, though.

Or me, I guess, in before I have to defend myself, defense is "if I was scum with Ciato and Bard I could have quite easily won this game without sacrificing the roleblocker day 1 and GF day 2."

[Sierra]

Er, he can't see anyone that Sopko targeted.

No, but he would see Sopko being targeted, presumably, and try to kill the person who did it (also Sopko! ...Who probably wouldn't die, being protected. This is why we don't have self-protecting docs. Ignore this blather, my brain hurts).

[Ranmilia]

Someone comment on that plan.  Is it good, is it bad, who to lynch today, etc.  My brain's racing 80 miles an hour and spinning in circles.

[Carthrat]

You lynch Kilga or DT. I'll kill Sopko, scum will presumably make a kill themselves... I'm guessing on Cid, but who knows, it might get mixed up. You're probably left with Kilga/DT, me, Delta and Alex in four-man LYLO. What happens next? Lynch Kilga/DT? Sounds like a decent enough plan to me, since Alex and Delta are on my cleared list.

Scum might not make a kill. I don't see how that's bad for town, since we're then left with 5 people and can probably comfortably make two lynches of whatever.

I asked Laggy about self-protecting docs. He wouldn't tell me the answer. It could go either way.

[Ranmilia]

Now just a minute.
You'll tell people of failed kill attempts on them...
Scum are allowed no-kill...
Rat's theoretical power can't self-target...
But you won't confirm no self-doc?

##Vote: Laggy

[Laggy]

Ask Soppy!

Laggy (too many): Alexchan hates me