List topic reborn! Round 1, Week 1.

[superaielman]

This is Dekar's old board tournament. Now that he isn't around, I'm taking it and running for a season to see what happens.

Now, a refresher on the rules...

1. DO NOT rank characters from games you have not played. Just leave them off the list.

2. Your vote will not be counted if you don't rank at least 7 characters in each division, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FIRST ROUND OF GODLIKE. In the first round of godlike, 6 character lists will be accepted

3. Please don't vote for a character because you like him or her. This is based off of their overall battle prowess, just because Dekar>>>>>>>>>>>*Insert character here* in coolness points (:^)) doesn't mean he should be first in Godlike.

4. RPGDL rules apply, however you may interpret them.

5. Characters are not fighting other characters. You are just ranking them from best overall to worst overall

6. In this first round, the top 4 characters in each division move to the winners list, the characters ranked 5th-8th move to the losers bracket, and everyone else goes off somewhere and dies.

7. If a character does not get on at least three lists, he/she will be eliminated due to not being well known enough.

8. This isn't a rule, but if it isn't too much trouble could you please number your lists? Like
1. TimeLord
2. Squall
3. Jogurt, instead of

TimeLord
Squall
Jogurt

9. Don't use strategy in your lists. Don't put one person at the bottom just to push someone else up, unless you honestly believe he/she should be at the bottom. If you think Beatrix should be in the top 4, but she's only 6th, don't rank the people above her in the bottom of the list, unless they honestly deserve it.

Here's Week 1, of List Tournament... 7? 8? Ah, who the fuck knows. This group will be much stronger than the last list (We've ranked a ton of games since then and I'm using a bit of NR) expect this field to be way stronger than the last couple of list fields. Heavy is murder. Have fun!

Edit: Scoring system.

7 characters ranked
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1st: 16
2nd: 14
3rd: 11
4th: 8
5th: 5
6th: 2
7th: 0

8 Characters ranked
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1st: 16
2nd: 14
3rd: 12
4th: 9
5th: 7
6th: 5
7th: 3
8th: 0

9 Characters ranked
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1: 16
2: 14
3: 12
4: 10
5: 8
6: 6
7: 4
8: 2
9: 0

10
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1: 16
2: 15
3: 13
4: 11
5: 9
6: 7
7: 5
8: 3
9: 1
10: 0

11
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1: 16
2: 15
3: 14
4: 12
5: 10
6: 8
7: 6
8: 4
9: 2
10: 1
11: 0

12
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1: 16
2: 15
3: 14
4: 13
5: 11
6: 10
7: 8
8: 6
9: 4
10: 2
11: 1
12: 0

13
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1: 16
2: 15
3: 14
4: 13
5: 12
6: 11
7: 9
8: 7
9: 6
10: 4
11: 2
12: 1
13: 0

14
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1: 16
2: 15
3: 14
4: 13
5: 12
6: 11
7: 10
8: 8
9: 7
10: 6
11: 4
12: 3
13: 2
14: 0

15
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1: 16
2: 15
3: 14
4: 13
5: 12
6: 11
7: 10
8: 9
9: 8
10: 7
11: 6
12: 4
13: 2
14: 1
15: 0

16
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1: 16
2: 15
3: 14
4: 13
5: 12
6: 11
7: 10
8: 9
9: 8
10: 7
11: 6
12: 5
13: 4
14: 3
15: 1
16: 0


Godlike:

Myria (BoFs)
Lady (SH3)
Jon Irencius (BG2)
Tir McDohl (Suikos)
Celes Chere (FF6)
Belial (WA4)
Rika (PS4)
Time Mage (FF5)
Ness (EB)
Brahms (VPs)
Gades (Lufias)
Malik (WA3)
Songi (LoL1)
Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1)
Berle (SO2)
Dark Force (PSs)

Heavy:

Geshp (SF2)
Velna (LoL2)
Artea (Lufia 2)
Pamela Ibis (Mana Khemia)
Richard (S5)
Claude Kenni (SO2)
Lezard Valeth (VPs)
Liete (G1)
Kika (S4)
Angelo (DQ8)
Geno (SMRPG)
Saki Inugami (SH2)
Nina (BoF1)
Mazus (S2)
Anastasia Valeria (WA2)
Billy Lee Black (XG)

Middle:

Lyon (FE8)
Beowulf Kamdus (FFT)
Magdalen Harts (ACF)
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4)
Bart Fatima (XG)
Red Wizard (FF3)
Akihiko Sanada (P3)
Kraken (FF1)
Karin Koenig (SH2)
Duran (SD3)
Anastasia Romanov (SH2)
Eileen (S1)
Aika (SoA)
Peppita Rosetti (SO3)
Vivi (FF9)
Leehalt Alceste (WA3)

Light:

Soldier (DW3)
Tia (Lufia 2)
Gares (OB)
Camus (S2)
Chansey (PKMN)
Cai (Brig)
Cid (FF4)
Gogo (FF6)
Aguro (Lufia 1)
Oulan (S2)
Mel (S3)
Spar (BoF2)
Logg (S5)
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
Katarina (S4)
Estella (S3)

[Dark Holy Elf]

1. Myria (BoFs): Unreal stats.
2. Lady (SH3): Ridiculous damage, but durability could be better to beat certain High Godlikes.
3. Belial (WA4): Beats PCs and those who rely on ST, can outslug a few others. Large group.
4. Tir McDohl (Suikos): Belial who spoils elements instead of ST, and his free win is slower and immunable. Still good enough for #4!
5. Rika (PS4): Faster Tir who is worse against elements but better against physicals... mmm. Lack of OHKO damage is enough to make her worse.
6. Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1): Varied in her victory like Rika, but the worse stats show.
7. Dark Force (PSs): Respectable slugger boss.
8. Celes Chere (FF6): See Cecilia, minus some points. Can't win slow battles as well.
9. Time Mage (FF5): Ridiculous damage! Isn't great at anything else, but damn, damage.
10. Berle (SO2): Would be around DF level, but is more spoilable.
11. Malik (WA3): Spoils reasonably well.
12. Brahms (VPs): Increasingly inclined to vote on VP2 and see him as only a good Heavy. VP1 form isn't that much better anyway.
13. Gades (Lufias): Lufia 2.

1. Geshp (SF2): Clear Godlike. Awesome damage and good speed, hard to spoil, some spoiling of his own.
2. Velna (LoL2): Also Godlike, though non stellar. Nice damage/ID/physical immunity.
3. Geno (SMRPG): Borderline Godlike, ID speed and Boost lets him outslug too.
4. Billy Lee Black (XG): Also borderline, great healer type.
5. Anastasia Valeria (WA2): Plenty of respect for Impulse.
6. Saki Inugami (SH2): Silence and OHKO damage makes up for Rule of Tim. Somewhat.
7. Angelo (DQ8): I dunno. Maybe. Fast healer with status and reflect works pretty well.
8. Artea (Lufia 2): Isn't as good as I used to think.
9. Liete (G1): Enclose is sexy. Speed is not.
10. Kika (S4): Faster Claude who's harder to spoil, though spoils less herself. Eh, still think it comes out better.
11. Claude Kenni (SO2): Think he's about here.
12. Richard (S5): Defensive game is decent but easy enough to get around.
13. Nina (BoF1): Generally don't see her going tooo far in Heavy, though it'd be fun if she did.
14. Mazus (S2): OHKO damage, but eh, elemental.
15. Lezard Valeth (VPs): Is some form of crappy Middle.

Middle:

1. Eileen (S1): Solid Heavy. Honestly her weaknesses don't even slow her down too much, unless she faces multiple ones at once.
2. Lyon (FE8): Gets too many OHKOs to be mocked.
3. Kraken (FF1): Generally feel he's very solid. Will he ever get the respect to make it matter?
4. Magdalen Harts (ACF): See above. Well, they're rarer, but he's faster, so it balances.
5. Beowulf Kamdus (FFT): Needs more speed, but solid otherwise.
6. Yulie Ahtreide (WA4): Pdur is problematic, can be outstalled. Good otherwise.
7. Red Wizard (FF3): Has damage issues or durability issues... but tanky status whore option is great, and the ability to switch up those issues does help. Good Middle, just worse than those above.
8. Leehalt Alceste (WA3): People putting Karin above Leehalt baffle me. Leehalt has Karin's only trick and is obviously much better at slugfests; he steamrolls the Nashes of the division for instance. The total ownage of 3HKOers and decent owning of slow 2HKOers is pretty notable.
9. Peppita Rosetti (SO3): Something like this. Leehalt to Bart is pretty much a large drop from winning Middle to losing, so she fits in here.
10. Anastasia Romanov (SH2): Some status, but it's not very good. EDIT: Actually, it's not bad.
11. Bart Fatima (XG): Some evade spoiling.
12. Karin Koenig (SH2): See Leehalt. Issues with slugests are present.
13. Duran (SD3): How'd Duran make it into List?
14. Vivi (FF9): Status is crap. HE CAN HEAL, woo.

Light, the division that is lose and fail outside two or three people and jokes who don't impact List:

1. Camus (S2)
2. Estella (S3)
3. Spar (BoF2)
4. Logg (S5)
5. Cai (Brig)
6. Oulan (S2)
7. Chansey (PKMN)
8. Tia (Lufia 2)
9. Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
10. Mel (S3)
11. Cid (FF4)
12. Gogo (FF6)
13. Katarina (S4)

Bottom three all suck, #1 was easy. Rest... blur together somewhat.

[Dunefar]

Godlike:


1. Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1) - Best of a mediocre field.
2. Tir McDohl (Suikos) -  Solid speed/damage/ID game. He has typical PC issues, but it's good enough in Godlike.
3. Myria (BoFs) - Even with various disrespect, this field sucks.
4. Berle (SO2) - Metaguard hype.
5. Brahms (VPs) - Super defense tank and massive damage? Sure, okay.
6. Celes Chere (FF6) - Mediocre.
7. Gades (Lufias) - This field doesn't deserve comment from here.
8. Malik (WA3)
9. Songi (LoL1)
10, Belial (WA4)
11. Time Mage (FF5)

Heavy:

1. Pamela Ibis (Mana Khemia) - Way too many tricks, physical immunity and only held back by bad speed.
2. Anastasia Valeria (WA2) - Impulse and stuff.
3. Claude Kenni (SO2) - Mirror Slice.
4. Liete (G1) - Tricks.
5. Angelo (DQ8) - Tricks-
6. Saki Inugami (SH2) - Energy charge.
7. Mazus (S2) - Nuke.
8. Velna (LoL2) - Something.
9. Artea (Lufia 2)
10. Kika (S4)
11. Nina (BoF1)
12. Lezard Valeth (VPs) - Hell if I know. The people that care more about VP can argue this one in depth. This vote kinda pains me, though.

Rest later.

Middle:

1. Beowulf Kamdus (FFT) - Too many options and too many tricks.
2. Karin Koenig (SH2)
3. Anastasia Romanov (SH2)
4. Magdalen Harts (ACF)
5. Eileen (S1)
6. Vivi (FF9)
7. Aika (SoA)
8. Leehalt Alceste (WA3)
9. Kraken (FF1)
10. Yulie Ahtreide (WA4)
11. Lyon (FE8)
12. Peppita Rosetti (SO3)

Light:

Soldier (DW3)
Tia (Lufia 2)
Gares (OB)
Camus (S2)
Chansey (PKMN)
Cai (Brig)
Cid (FF4)
Gogo (FF6)
Aguro (Lufia 1)
Oulan (S2)
Mel (S3)
Spar (BoF2)
Logg (S5)
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
Katarina (S4)
Estella (S3)

[superaielman]

Godlike:

1. Lady
2. Myria (I think I'm holding her to Myria 3? I donno, not comfortable with Myria 1 on the legality/power front any more. Maybe.)
3. Jon Irencius (That HP is a joke, but the skillset isn't. Lucky bastard.)
4. Belial (Nice blitzing game but the HP is still such shit.)
5. Gades (Obnoxiously fast, good durability, good offense. What's not to love?)
6. Tir McDohl (Just solid overall. The elemental walling really makes him hard to kill.)
7. Berle (See Rika.)
8. Rika (Surprisingly solid spoiler.)
9. Brahms (Too many mages in Godlike, but still good.)
10. Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (Cute defensive game.)
10. Songi (Completely overhyped but still okay enough.)
11. Celes (Spoils.)
12. Malik (Spoils.. okay enough.)
13. Dark Force


Heavy:

1. Geshp (Is Godlike.)
2. Claude Kenni (Is also Godlike with any sort of equipment allowances. He can block just about every element around with storebought stuff and his damage isn't far from a OHKO and you need more than one status to knock him out that way.)
3. Velna (ID and magic blocking. Wugui!)
4. Richard (Better damage than Claude, but is limited after one shot.)
5. Artea (Curses how worthless L2 MDef is at endgame and the higher average now. Tons of options and resources, but just not enough up front damage to really excel.)
6. Saki (Solid all around boss.)
7. Geno (On reflection the ID whoring doesn't trump Saki's offense.)
8. Angelo (Solid but not an outstanding Heavy.)
9. Nina (Good at resource wars.)
10. Liete
11. Billy (Goddess Eyes being glitched really hurts.)
12. Kika (2HKO and not much else.)
13. Mazus (OHKO that's extremely easy to wall and nothing else.)
14. Anastasia
15. Lezard


Middle:

1. Beowulf (Is a Heavy.)
2. Eileen (Is also a Heavy. Too damn much status/earth resist/healing around though.)
3. Lyon
4. Yulie (Hates physicals even with Protect.)
5. Kraken (Damn solid Middle boss.)
*MASSIVE DROP*
6. Anastasia
*Drop*
7. Vivi (Can heal!)
8. Aika (Magical spoiler.)
9. Bart (Physical spoiler! If it's not ITE.)
10. Karin (Barely spoils status.)
11. Leehalt (Needs more HP.)
12. Duran (is Duran.)


Light:

1. Camus
2. Gares (Speed does save him in Light.)
3. Cai
4. Soldier (Very cool defensive fighter.)
5. Tia (That HP is something else.)
6. Chansey (Cool spoiler.)
7. Zhuzhen Liu
8. Aguro (Slow verging 2HKO. It works in Light.)
9. Logg
10. Oulan (Tight field. Man. Oulan's solid across the board.)
11. Spar
12. Cid
13. Estella
14. Katarina
15. Mel
16. Gogo (Skillless Gogo.)

[Nitori]

I am too bored. I might do more of this later~

Godlike:

1. Lady (SH3)
2. Belial (WA4)
3. Tir McDohl (Suikos)
4. Rika (PS4)
5. Gades (Lufias)
6. Dark Force (PSs)
7. Celes Chere (FF6)
8. Ness (EB)
9. Time Mage (FF5)
10. Malik (WA3) - Bad interp of Myria1 gets THIS. Plus status + tentative physical immunity >> durability in a division where damage is at its relative highest~
11. Myria (BoFs)
12. Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1)

Heavy:

1. Geno (SMRPG)
2. Velna (LoL2)
(Tallychu/3). Pamela Ibis (Mana Khemia)
4. Saki Inugami (SH2)
5. Artea (Lufia 2)
6. Angelo (DQ8)
7. Nina (BoF1)
8. Mazus (S2)

Middle:

1. Eileen (S1)
2. Beowulf Kamdus (FFT)
3. Magdalen Harts (ACF)
4. Lyon (FE8)
5. Kraken (FF1)
6. Akihiko Sanada (P3)
7. Yulie Ahtreide (WA4)
8. Leehalt Alceste (WA3)
9. Anastasia Romanov (SH2)
10. Aika (SoA)
11. Karin Koenig (SH2)

Light:

1. Camus (S2)
2. Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
3. Tia (Lufia 2)
4. Chansey (PKMN)
5. Spar (BoF2)
6. Oulan (S2)
7. Gogo (FF6)
8. Aguro (Lufia 1)
9. Cid (FF4)

[Ultradude]

Lyon (FE8): FE boss respect, ranged 2HKO, counters. Borderline heavy.
Beowulf Kamdus (FFT): Toss up with Lyon, overall strong.
Peppita Rosetti (SO3): Starting to see what people are talking about with her comboing...
Akihiko Sanada (P3): Pretty good red mage type. Ice weakness hurts a lot though.
Vivi (FF9): Versatile but underwhelming mage. FF9 equips though.
Aika (SoA): Fast healer with a nasty status. Can't ever beat bosses, and the status is blocked often enough.
Leehalt Alceste (WA3): Spoiler boss. Healing or notably better durability beat him.

Estella (S3): DAMAGE. Even if it is easily blocked, only one in the pool with it.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1): Status, a little healing, a little damage. Good light.
Mel (S3): Devil Doll Rune is a nasty single shot.
Chansey (PKMN): Magic spoiler. Uh. Yeah.
Cid (FF4): Cid and Soldier don't seem much different to me, correct me if I'm missing something. Slow, mediocre damage, all durability.
Soldier (DW3)
Gogo (FF6): Uh? Dunno 'bout this, never sure just how good he is without his various skills.

[Tide]

Godlike:

1. Belial (WA4) - Easily leads the pack by destroying STers and PCs. Can even hold out against some bosses.
2. Rika (PS4) - Speed + variety and ID tossed in there is powerful
3. Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1) - Variety. Lesser speed and core stats are lower than Rika. But still pretty cool
4. Celes Chere (FF6) - Neatish defensive game. Doesn't have as much variety as the above two ladies.
5. Brahms (VPs) - Same as Malik. A pure spoiler of sorts but also has damage
6. Malik (WA3) - Pure spoiler. And uh...lacks damage. Said spoiling is trumped by slowing him down = not cool.
7. Ness (EB) - He's durable! Uh...not much else otherwise. The shields are neat, status too. But genuinely doesn't feel like he has the raw abilities to pull out wins against tougher godlikes.


Heavy:
1. Geno (SMRPG) - Borderline godlike being fast and 100% ID. Geno Boost is also stupid. If he had healing, he would rule.
2. Pamela Ibis (Mana Khemia) - Nasty high heavy. Status, physical immunity and the like
3. Billy Lee Black (XG) - Haste healer. Not bad off hand, and some variety in there as a toss
4. Richard (S5) - Does...mainly one thing. Which really pales in comparison to the others I can vote on.
5. Lezard Valeth (VPs) - ...ahahaha. Seriously? Oh, we did rank him Heavy didn't we ._.


Middle:
1. Magdalen Harts (ACF) - Is actually a low heavy in disguise. That defense isn't that good, but damn is his damage rocking.
2. Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) - Defensive stalling game of doom. Hates physicals, but wow.
3. Beowulf Kamdus (FFT) - Status rocks a surprising number of people here.
4. Leon (FE8) - Mm...magical damage and counters. Pity about the entire speed thing
5. Akihiko Sanada (P3) - ICE WEAKNESS >_<. He's really solid otherwise.
6. Leehalt Alceste (WA3) - Waffling between him at 6th or Vivi as 6th. Leehalt genuinely needs more HP. Sadly. His game is kind of cool though
7. Vivi (FF9) - FF9 equips + psuedo healing. Underwhelming otherwise
8. Bart Fatima (XG) - Spoils physicals kind of! Of one variety and himself doesn't have much else to offer.
9. Peppita Rosetti (SO3) - Not overly impressed
10. Aika (SoA) - The worst here for certain

Light:
1. Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) - This was gut. I could easily see Logg > him
2. Logg (S5) - See above. These two feel better than Chansey though. Healing and some ability to damage to something
3. Chansey (PKMN) - Is Yulie-lite. Tricks! Assuming you do not have physicals. No damage at all
4. Cid (FF4) - FF4a Cid. Uh...yeah. Wins raw HP from Gogo I want to say.
5. Gogo (FF6) - Is abilityless Gogo. And therefore sucks.

[superaielman]

Cid (FF4): Cid and Soldier don't seem much different to me, correct me if I'm missing something. Slow, mediocre damage, all durability.

Soldier's got Swordedge armor to give him a nice edge in slugfests, Cid resists elements. Soldier feels like a high Light, his damage is better. Swordedge being so good in DW3 makes Soldier outright hard to beat in a straight damage contest. Status and healers are not his friend and why he's a borderliner.

[Random Consonant]

Godlike:

1. Jon Irencius (BG2)
2. Gades (Lufias)
3. Berle (SO2)
4. Tir McDohl (Suikos)
5. Rika (PS4)
6. Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1)
7. Celes Chere (FF6)
8. Brahms (VPs)
9. Ness (EB)
10. Dark Force (PSs)
11. Time Mage (FF5)

Heavy:

1. Geshp (SF2)
2. Claude Kenni (SO2)
3. Artea (Lufia 2)
4. Geno (SMRPG)
5. Nina (BoF1)
6. Liete (G1)
7. Billy Lee Black (XG)
8. Mazus (S2)
9. Anastasia Valeria (WA2)
10. Lezard Valeth (VPs)

Middle:

1. Beowulf Kamdus (FFT)
2. Eileen (S1)
3. Lyon (FE8)
4. Bart Fatima (XG)
5. Vivi (FF9)
6. Duran (SD3)
7. Red Wizard (FF3)
8. Kraken (FF1)

Light:

1. Camus (S2)
2. Cai (Brig)
3. Chansey (PKMN)
4. Tia (Lufia 2)
5. Oulan (S2)
6. Aguro (Lufia 1)
7. Cid (FF4)
8. Spar (BoF2)
9. Gogo (FF6)

[DjinnAndTonic]

Godlike:

1 Myria (BoFs) - Of course...
2 Lady (SH3) - Overall amazing.
3 Tir McDohl (Suikos) - Great resists, decent speed, ID!
4 Belial (WA4) - ST spoiler
5 Rika (PS4) - SPEED+ID = power
6 Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1) - Does everything, needs more speed/durability.
7 Brahms (VPs) - OMG Durability! That's about all.
8 Ness (EB) - See Brahms
9 Celes Chere (FF6) - Good godlike, feels lower than the rest.
10 Songi (LoL1) - Durability, but OMG level.
11 Time Mage (FF5) - Yay skillset!
12 Dark Force (PSs) - Meh, better than Gades
13 Gades (Lufias) - Meh
14 Malik (WA3) - Can't do anything but spoil physical-reliant types. And then, only sometimes.

Heavy:

1 Lezard Valeth (VPs) - Overall different interpretation of his stats leads me to see him as a low Godlike rather than a low Heavy.
2 Pamela Ibis (Mana Khemia) - Malik + no way to cancel her immunity.
3 Artea (Lufia 2) - Great bag of tricks, lots of unique skills.
4 Saki Inugami (SH2) - Hey there durability repsect.
5 Kika (S4) - Fast and stuff.
6 Claude Kenni (SO2) - Textbook heavy.
7 Richard (S5) - Not a lot of tricks, but good at what he does.
8 Billy Lee Black (XG) - Works.
9 Liete (G1) - Enclose! But sooo slow.
10 Geno (SMRPG)
11 Nina (BoF1)
12 Mazus (S2)

Middle:

1 Peppita Rosetti (SO3) - Because I'm starting to believe CT's hype.
2 Kraken (FF1) - Durability
3 Bart Fatima (XG)
4 Lyon (FE8)  - More durability stuff.
5 Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) - Skillset! But oh the speed...
6 Aika (SoA) - SoA respect kicks in.
7 Vivi (FF9) - Damage!
8 Red Wizard (FF3) - Weird that I would rank him this high, but it feels right.
9 Akihiko Sanada (P3) - Awesome, but Ice>>>>him
10 Eileen (S1) - Effective stalling game.
11 Anastasia Romanov (SH2)
12 Leehalt Alceste (WA3) - Sucks.

Light:

1 Gogo (FF6) - Skillz!
2 Cai (Brig) - Quality Light.
3 Tia (Lufia 2) - Quality Light.
4 Camus (S2) - Durable-ish+Damaging-ish
5 Cid (FF4) - Durable
6 Oulan (S2) - Durable + Decent damage.
7 Estella (S3)  - S3 Rage Rune respect.
8 Mel (S3) - Ugh.
9 Spar (BoF2) - Not the worst, but ugh.
10 Aguro (Lufia 1) - Getting to the worst.
11 Logg (S5) - Almost there.
12 Katarina (S4) - Don't sneeze on her too hard, she might die.

-Djinn

[Monkeyfinger]

1) Myria (BoFs): Still tentatively allowing myria 1
2) Lady (SH3): Not the greatest raw slugger, but she has so much versatility and completely screws over buff whores who could otherwise take advantage of her slow first turn.
3) Belial (WA4): ST spoiling PC-killer who can also beat those with weak MT.
4) Jon Irencius (BG2): ST spoiling PC-killer who can also beat those with weak HP.
5) Tir McDohl (Suikos): ID whore with damage and durability
6) Berle (SO2): About as good a tank as #1, but with so much worse offense.
7) Rika (PS4): ID whore with an attrition game... but having no status blockers makes such an attrition game not too effective in godlike.
8) Time Mage (FF5): Dregs time. Here's TL on tranquilizers.
9) Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1)
10) Ness (EB)
11) Brahms (VPs)
12) Malik (WA3): Wishes his status were actually fatal or particularly dangerous.
13) Celes Chere (FF6)
14) Dark Force (PSs)

Heavy:

1) Velna (LoL2)
2) Geno (SMRPG): Respect the first turn speed a lot if nothing else, and that's what really matters. If he can even get a whirl or a boost off he tends to be golden.
3) Claude Kenni (SO2): Sppedy and hits fucking hard.
4) Saki Inugami (SH2)
5) Richard (S5): See Claude except he only hits hard once per battle.
6) Nina (BoF1)
7) Artea (Lufia 2)
8) Billy Lee Black (XG)
9) Lezard Valeth (VPs)
10) Angelo (DQ8)
11) Mazus (S2)
12) Liete (G1): Since I tend to scoff at the idea of a super status, Liete belongs in middle.


Middle:
1) Eileen (S1): Fuckin invincibility.
2) Lyon (FE8): Fuckin damage.
3) Bart Fatima (XG): Fuckin evade. Good statusblockers. Straight damage mages hand him his ass though.
4) Kraken (FF1): Generic, competent middle boss.
5) Beowulf Kamdus (FFT): Too much status variety.
6) Peppita Rosetti (SO3): Okay glass cannon type. Dunno how much to respect the confusion counters, which matters a lot, though, since that status is basically death and a successful counter inflicts it almost 100% of the time.
7) Yulie Ahtreide (WA4): Too easy to OHKO, but too good if you can't do it.
8) Anastasia Romanov (SH2)
9) Leehalt Alceste (WA3)
10) Duran (SD3)
11) Karin Koenig (SH2)
12) Vivi (FF9)
13) Aika (SoA): SoA's version of confuse just isn't that good.



Light:

1) Camus (S2): Decent middle.
2) Cai (Brig)

SCREW THE REST OF THIS SHIT. Maybe I'll get back to it. If I don't, feel free to discard my light portion.
Tia (Lufia 2)
Gares (OB)
Chansey (PKMN)
Cid (FF4)
Gogo (FF6)
Oulan (S2)
Mel (S3)
Spar (BoF2)
Logg (S5)
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
Estella (S3)

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike
1 Myria. Speed, Damage, HP. All solid, for all that by general respect for most of it is relatively low.
2 Lady. Can smash quickly
3 Belial. PC/ST killing off that speed
4 Gades. Effectively 3 PC HP durability, 128% Speed, solid 2HKO that he can buff to get around some healers.
5 Songi. Yes, respect! Gadesesque, trading speed for better physical damage. Guess being all Dark could also hold him back at times.
6 Tir. Quick smashing.
7 Rika. Slower smashing
8 Berle. Solid tank.
9 Cecilia. Damn close with Ness. The variety and spoiling puts him marginally ahead…I think
10 Ness
11 Dark Force. Solidish
12 Celes. Physical Spoiling+Some Elemental Spoiling+Some Status
13 Brahms. Physical Spoiling+Solid Damage
14 Malik. Physical Spoiling+Some Status
15 Time Mage. Damage is nice. Too bad most Godlikes will go before him, and then status/damage feels like it will take him out more than everyone else in the pool. Some people who he can kill can instead take 2 hits.

Heavy
1 Geshp. Smashing, solid Godlike
2 Velna. Quirky Godlike.
3 Claude. Very high respect for the Stars+Damage+Equips overall
4 Saki. Decent respect for her durability
5 Geno. Fast ID, I guess. Could be lower.
6 Richard. Fast OHKO w/ nice equips
7 Billy. Missing that decent buff actually doing something.
8 Nina. Vacilate on her a lot, but she does eat mages well+Paralyse is solid, I think.
9 Angelo. Draining/status/status blockers/Reflect. I guess.
10 Kika. Good slugger, but doesn’t have the options of some of the above sluggers.
11 Artea. Gut reaction. The other healers just have utility that he doesn’t.
12 Liete. Ditto. Doesn’t help that her whole combo together is only about 1.15 PC HP, and she’s a slug to start out with.
13 Mazus. Damage is awesome, durability is better than you’d expect…but yeah, feels quite easy to foils him, comparatively at least.

Middle
1 Beowulf. Loads of turn 1 status+A draining game to get around some middle bosses+Karin+FFT equips
2 Peppita. Again, lots of status+apparentally solid healing, buffing, damage, and a few nice status blockers too.
3 Magdalen. Above average speed+hard  to block smashing.
4 Eileen. Feels more spoilable than Magdalen, which does hold her back to me.
5 Yulie. I don’t know. Haste-Healing is evil, but damage and Pdur…kind of gutted this here.
6 Aika. A lot of games don’t get Confuse+Damage is better than expected+Speed+Lots of Healing in a weird way.
7 Lyon. Breaking his defenses is hard for many Middles.
8 Bart. Karin foils a few more status whores, but Bart feels like the better overall tanker.
9 Leehalt. I guess.
10 Anatasia. Turn 1 Fatal is nice, but it depending on 2 statuses instead of 1 is not.
11 Karin. Spoiling status is nice! Physicals and magic are nice too. But…yeah, low 3HKO on both, and magic has that recharge time. Pretty durable, but everyone above feels better at killing quickly (Or at tanking in some manner)
12 Vivi. The elemental spoiling is nice, and Drain lets him do this to even people who’s elemental he can only halve…but needing 3 turns to kill in any manner off of slow speed
13 Akihiko- He’s not a great Middle even without the Ice weakness. No status blockers, 3HKO off average speed, buffers are not worth much. Still, Ice isn’t running around everywhere, and he does 3HKO off both magic and physicals, which makes him feel a little better than Duran in the end, I think.
14 Duran. Gut check. The pseudo healing is nice, but the damage is pretty problematic, and he can’t block some of the major statuses and will never kill quickly. In a way, he feels like a variation of Leehalt with a lot more holes in his game.
15 Kraken. DoS Kraken is horrid. Really, really bad. Thanks for the free jobber!

Light
1 Gogo. Yeah, Heavy thanks to allowing skills. This one will get horrid votesplit!
2 Gares. He’s not fail in Light, I guess?
3 Logg. HP tank+solid defenses+S5 equips+5 shots of full healing. Even the speed is more solid than one would expect.
4 Tia. Forcing someone to do 50% physical damage is pretty solid in Light. Mdef makes the other half more solid. More too many status whores left to get the other whole. Don't know, could maybe she her a little lower too. Blah.
5 Estella. Her vs Camus is quite close to me. Estella can 2HKO more quickly, OHKOs more often. Camus does better when Fire res is in play, and has better Defense. Yellow Scarf might be the tipper here.
6 Camus. Very close with Estella
7 Zhuzhen. Overall solid/skillset diversity buys him a little leeway.
8 Mel. Close between her and Oulan. Oulan has the defensive stats, but Mel has the speed. Yellow Scarf felt like a tipper, I guess.
9  Oulan. Evil field, because she’s solid. Again, feels like the speed is going to hold her back, although she does scrape a 3HKO.
10 Chansey. Don’t know? Does so well against mages (Assuming no status), but reamed against physical fighters so badly. Could see it down to 14th too.
11 Cai. Thinking my respect for spellcasting speed has fallen a bit. This…really hurts him because he’s now a slow 2HKOer who is frail.
12 Aguro. HP is nice, but speed sinks him because he doesn’t really have anything else going for him.
13 Cid. Kind of a gut. His Pdur is 2x, but his damage is a 5HKO, so those are about a wash. That still leaves his speed, and being Thunder reliant. Could be underrating elemental spoiling.
14 Katarina. 2HKOed basically by half average physical damage, spoilable, barely even misses the borderline 2HKO to me, and below average speed on top of all that. Yeah.

[dude789]

Godlike:

1. Myria (BoFs)
2.Belial (WA4)
3.Lady (SH3)
4.Tir McDohl (Suikos)
5.Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1)
6.Brahms (VPs)
7.Dark Force (PSs)
8.Celes Chere (FF6)
9.Rika (PS4)
10.Berle (SO2)
11.Ness (EB)
12.Time Mage (FF5)
13.Gades (Lufias)
14.Malik (WA3)



Heavy:

1.Claude Kenni (SO2)
2. Artea (Lufia 2)
3.Liete (G1)
4.Geno (SMRPG)
5.Saki Inugami (SH2)
6.Nina (BoF1)
7.Angelo (DQ8)
8.Anastasia Valeria (WA2)


Middle:

1.Red Wizard (FF3)
2.Vivi (FF9)
3.Akihiko (P3)
4.Duran (SD3)
5.Anastasia Romanov (SH2)
6.Yulie Ahtreide (WA4)
7.Magdalen Harts (ACF)
8.Lyon (FE8)
9.Beowulf Kamdus (FFT)
10.Kraken (FF1)
11. Peppita Rosetti (SO3)
12.Karin Koenig (SH2)
13.Leehalt Alceste (WA3)

Light:
1.Tia (Lufia 2)
2.Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
3.Spar (BoF2)
4.Aguro (Lufia 1)
5.Cid (FF4)
6. Chansey (PKM)
7.Gogo (FF6)

[VySaika]

Godlike:
1. Myria (BoFs)
2. Belial (WA4)
3. Jon Irencius (BG2)
4. Tir McDohl (Suikos)
5. Rika (PS4)
6. Songi (LoL1)
7. Berle (SO2)
8. Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1)
9. Ness (EB)
10. Dark Force (PSs)
11. Brahms (VPs)
12. Celes Chere (FF6)
13. Gades (Lufias)
14. Malik (WA3)

Time Mage (FF5) - Abstaining on Time Mage since I can technically vote for him, but hell if I remember what makes him Godlike. <_<

Heavy:
1. Geshp (SF2)
2. Lezard Valeth (VPs)
3. Velna (LoL2)
4. Saki Inugami (SH2)
5. Claude Kenni (SO2)
6. Geno (SMRPG)
7. Richard (S5)
8. Artea (Lufia 2)
9. Nina (BoF1)
10. Kika (S4)
11. Angelo (DQ8)
12. Billy Lee Black (XG)
13. Mazus (S2)

Anastasia Valeria (WA2) - Abstaining on Ana, as I'm never really sure what I think about Impulse.

Middle:
1. Eileen (S1)
2. Lyon (FE8)
3. Beowulf Kamdus (FFT)
4. Kraken (FF1)
5. Akihiko Sanada (P3)
6. Red Wizard (FF3)
7. Magdalen Harts (ACF)
8. Yulie Ahtreide (WA4)
9. Duran (SD3)
10. Bart Fatima (XG)
11. Anastasia Romanov (SH2)
12. Vivi (FF9)
13. Peppita Rosetti (SO3)
14. Karin Koenig (SH2)
15. Aika (SoA)
16. Leehalt Alceste (WA3)

Light:
1. Gogo (FF6)
2. Camus (S2)
3. Gares (OB)
4. Soldier (DW3)
5. Logg (S5)
6. Chansey (PKMN)
7. Estella (S3)
8. Tia (Lufia 2)
9. Oulan (S2)
10. Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
11. Aguro (Lufia 1)
12. Cid (FF4)
13. Mel (S3)
14. Katarina (S4)
15. Spar (BoF2)

[Lance]

Godlike
1. Myria (BoFs)
2. Lady (SH3)
3. Belial (WA4)
4. Dark Force (PSs)
5. Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1)
6. Rika (PS4)
7. Tir McDohl (Suikos)
8. Brahms (VPs)
9. Celes Chere (FF6)
10. Ness (EB)
11. Time Mage (FF5)
12. Malik (WA3)
13. Gades (Lufias)
14. Berle (SO2)


Heavy
1. Geshp (SF2)
2. Artea (Lufia 2)
3. Claude Kenni (SO2)
4. Angelo (DQ8)
5. Liete (G1)
6. Anastasia Valeria (WA2)
7. Kika (S4)
8. Saki Inugami (SH2)
9. Mazus (S2)
10. Richard (S5)
11. Nina (BoF1)
12. Geno (SMRPG)
13. Lezard Valeth (VPs)
14. Billy Lee Black (XG)

Middle
1. Magdalen Harts (ACF)
2. Lyon (FE8)
3. Kraken (FF1)
4. Yulie Ahtreide (WA4)
5. Peppita Rosetti (SO3)
6. Red Wizard (FF3)
7. Karin Koenig (SH2)
8. Beowulf Kamdus (FFT)
9. Eileen (S1)
10. Aika (SoA)
11. Vivi (FF9)
12. Duran (SD3)
13. Anastasia Romaov (SH2)
14. Leehalt Alceste (WA3)
15. Bart Fatima (XG)

Light
1. Gogo (FF6)
2. Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
3. Gares (OB)
4. Camus (S2)
5. Cai (Brig)
6. Oulan (S2)
7. Chansey (PKMN)
8. Spar (BoF2)
9. Estella (S3)
10. Tia (Lufia 2)
11. Mel (S3)
12. Logg (S5)
13. Cid (FF4)
14. Aguro (Lufia 1)

[Dark Holy Elf]

Abstaining on Time Mage since I can technically vote for him, but hell if I remember what makes him Godlike. <_<

Meteor is near OHKO damage to start with. He has Quick, so that translates to two Meteors. He also has Reset (restart the battle). So he can cast Quick, Meteor, and Reset until Meteor does its maximum variance, which is about double its normal damage IIRC.

Basically his offence is totally insane (near 3PC or so?), but he's not too notable otherwise. EDIT: Overrated a little, it's about 2.5PC. Still awesome.

Other stuff isn't so awesome, durability and speed are both below average, though only slightly. Rest of the skillset basically isn't worth noting because the damage is so good, though there's effectively 100% ID (due to reset), Slow, Haste, Stop, and Quarter if those ever matter.

[Taishyr]

Godlike:

1. Lady (SH3) - Damage/durability combo is impressive, to me.
2. Rika (PS4)
3. Myria (BoFs) - This was coinflip between her and Rika; going for this due to AI scaling issues.
4. Tir McDohl (Suikos) - Rika without healing; more damage, though. Keep in mind that 2-4 here are pretty much coinflips all around.
5. Belial (WA4) - Another coinflip, decided by both AI scaling and the fact that she can't use her magic damage without summoning the distortion.
6. Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1)
7. Time Mage (FF5)
8. Ness (EB) - Rolling HP respect = takes -forever- (a double, pretty much) to die, and he has slugging capabilities.
9. Songi (LoL1)
10. Berle (SO2)
11. Brahms (VPs)
12. Celes Chere (FF6)
13. Gades (Lufias) - He's a heavy, and not a bad one, but loses to about everyone here.

Heavy:

1. Velna (LoL2) - Tricksy spoiler-type, PC killer as well. Could be more durable, but.
2. Geshp (SF2) - Does move, so is not subject to Zeon Ahahaha No HP syndrome. As such, rather bloody solid.
3. Saki Inugami (SH2) - Overall good boss.
4. Anastasia Valeria (WA2) - Impulse respect.
5. Artea (Lufia 2) - Stalling of the goddamn gods. Is a Ness variant; far less durable and physically damaging, but far faster and with more healing and magic damage
6. Claude Kenni (SO2) Damage respect. End of the Borderline Godlikes/Low Godlikes; elemental spoiling does indeed make him nasty, good enough to take on some Godlikes to me and manage.
7. Angelo (DQ8) - Trick respect + Bounce.
8. Nina (BoF1) - Trick respect.
9. Geno (SMRPG) - Giving SMRPG speed respect at all makes me twitchy; it just does not feel right at all. As such, the faster damage whores spoil, and there's a fair few. I'm likely ranking him too low, but this is instinctive. KEEP IN MIND HE'S STILL A GOOD HEAVY TO ME. >_> This field is eyebrows.

Middle:

1. Eileen (S1) - Invincible whorage.
2. Beowulf Kamdus (FFT) - Status whorage.
3. Akihiko Sanada (P3) - All-around solid.
4. Peppita Rosetti (SO3) - Counter whorage.
5. Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) - Has -nasty- tricks, but bad durability.
6. Anastasia Romanov (SH2) - Status whorage.
7. Karin Koenig (SH2) - Status immunity, okay damage. ...that's it.
8. Vivi (FF9) - Damage, healing, some bad status.
9. Lyon (FE8) - Zeon Lol Hahahaha No HP respect. Damaging off counters, tho.
10. Duran (SD3) - Healing, kinda bad damage. Uh, yeah.

Light:

1. Gogo (FF6) - Skills.
2. Spar (BoF2) - Stat busts were pretty nasty in BoF2.
3. Soldier (DW3) - I allow equipcasts and vote on DW3r; Heal Shield/Blade Armor takes all physicalers in Light, and he has durability/damage to take most the mages. Most.
4. Tia (Lufia 2) - IP trickery.
5. Estella (S3) - Can be spoiled, but is damaging/has decent durability for Light.
6. Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) - Wishes he was faster. The last good Light in the pool, to me.
7. Mel (S3)
8. Chansey (PKMN)
9. Gares (OB) - ... I think? Gods, I really lack Gares respect nowadays.
10. Cid (FF4)

[Meeplelard]

Laziness > me, so reasons = not there, just listing!

Godlike:

1. Myria (BoFs)
2. Lady (SH3)
3. Belial (WA4)
4. Tir McDohl (Suikos)
5. Dark Force (PSs)
6. Rika (PS4)
7. Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1)
8. Ness (EB)
9. Songi (LoL1)
10. Celes Chere (FF6)
11. Berle (SO2)
12. Time Mage (FF5)
13. Gades (Lufias)
14. Malik (WA3)
15. Brahms (VPs)

Heavy:

1. Angelo (DQ8)
2. Geshp (SF2)
3. Artea (Lufia 2)
4. Saki Inugami (SH2)
5. Geno (SMRPG)
6. Mazus (S2)
7. Claude Kenni (SO2)
8. Kika (S4)
9. Anastasia Valeria (WA2)
10. Billy Lee Black (XG)
11. Nina (BoF1)
12. Liete (G1)
13. Lezard Valeth (VPs)

A few people I abstained one, despite having played the game, etc.  That said, a bunch of close ones and then Lezard <_<

Middle:

1. Lyon (FE8)
2. Magdalen Harts (ACF)
3. Kraken (FF1)
4. Red Wizard (FF3)
5. Eileen (S1)
6. Beowulf Kamdus (FFT)
7. Yulie Ahtreide (WA4)
8. Vivi (FF9)
9. Peppita Rosetti (SO3)
10. Anastasia Romanov (SH2)
11. Bart Fatima (XG)
12. Karin Koenig (SH2)
13. Aika (SoA)
14. Leehalt Alceste (WA3)
15. Duran (SD3)


Light:

1. Cai (Brig)
2. Camus (S2)
3. Gares (OB)
4. Spar (BoF2)
5. Tia (Lufia 2)
6. Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
7. Estella (S3)
8. Oulan (S2)
9. Aguro (Lufia 1)
10. Logg (S5)
11. Soldier (DW3)
12. Cid (FF4)
13. Chansey (PKMN)
14. Katarina (S4)
15. Mel (S3)
16. Gogo (FF6)

[Clear Tranquil]

8. Leehalt Alceste (WA3): People putting Karin above Leehalt baffle me. Leehalt has Karin's only trick and is obviously much better at slugfests; he steamrolls the Nashes of the division for instance. The total ownage of 3HKOers and decent owning of slow 2HKOers is pretty notable.

Fair enough. Changing ranking. My respect for Karin is practically zero and I was looking for an excuse to rank her lower than I did. Guess I was being too fair before >.> Can't agree with you on the Peppita thing though I have great respect for Wild Arms as well. Pep might be slow but so is Leehalt unless I'm remembering things wrong so he won't be multiturning her. Eliminate Scanner doesn't have a particularly lengthy animation irrc so she should be able to counter through it just fine (in game Peppita's counters hit battle skills i.e specials, it's not just limited to basic physical attacks) or she can chain from Counter X into Power/Healing Dance > Faerie Friend. She has great healing w/th L10 Healing Dance/decent with L5 Healing Dance especially if used in cancel chains. Depends on your personal interp of her counters/skills I guess but I don't see any reason not to allow the healing at least.

I know characters aren't vsing each other here, that's just how I think that fight would go.

Re Vivi - How bad exactly is his status? I was ranking him high because status + damage but I'm reminded now that I forgot to take status hit rates into account. If it's that bad guess I can rank him lower.

Also bearing that in mind would ranking Akihiko over him be viable in that case (Tide input plz?)

**

Godlike -

1 - Lady (SH3) - Variety/versatility. Having that is good. Makes my favourite buffer type characters run screaming for the hills. Damage isn't too bad either from what I remember.
2- Belial (WA4) - 4D Pocket =-(
3- Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1) -Spoils mages like no tomorrow. Lots of options. Variety is good.
4- Brahms (VPs) - What Dune said.
5 - Time Mage (FF5) - Hax
6 - Celes Chere (FF6) - Poorer Cecilia, it's been said.
7 - Malik (WA3) -  Evade hax + status doesn't work too well in godlike.
8 - Berle (SO2) - Process of elimination.

Heavy:

1- Saki Inugami (SH2) - Energy Charge hax. Silence. Magic options. Boss status immunity. Having options is good.
2 - Liete (G1) - Don't see why I wouldn't allow Enclose >.> I'm far too generous like that <.< Lots of spells, healing, damage, status, stat buffs.
3 -Claude Kenni (SO2) - Damage, options.
4- Angelo (DQ8) - I ... think.
5- Richard (S5) - Damage, less options
6 - Kika (S4)- Same as Richard.
7 - Lezard Valeth (VPs) - I could be swayed on this. Not sure why people are ranking him higher but if they care to give a reason I'll bite =-)

Middle:

1 - Peppita Rosetti (SO3) - Too many damn options. Great damage - 2HKO with Faerie Friend and that's w/o factoring in L10 Faerie Friend/L10 Power Dance or Dream Hammer. Even if you don't allow Faerie Friend for some weird anti Peppita/hate or other reason she still has other good ways of winning/options. What is good about Peppita is she has variety and versatility, just like Nel. Power Dance enhances all of her pure damage sources not just Faerie Friend, it alone puts Peppita above average in this field. Counters for avoiding and returning damage. Chaos with counters, chaos w/th Panic Dance, freeze kill with Frozen Daggers, healing, mp regeneration (Magical Dance)
2- Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) - Quicken + double + Sacrifice + healing combo hax. Protect + magic defence hax. Elemental variety with material. Good holy damage with spells. On the downside is creamed by any opponent with a good physical, especially if the fighter has healing of their own to get round her Quicken game but damn is she good apart from that. Just soooooo good ;p
*Drop*
3 - Anastasia Romanov (SH2) - HP 1, status, stat buffs - including the awesme Entrance!, magic options, elemental twinking for physical attacks. Power Cannon is decent enough damage.
4 - Akihiko Sanada (P3) - Ok so I like Akihiko, I really do ... but that ice weakness seriously blows. It near ruins him/his ranking for me and prevents him from being a real quality dueller. Luckily he has a relatively good field here or I might have needed to rank him lower >.> Even so just looking at this field alone highlights his weakness - Peppita brutalises w/th Power Dance > Frozen Daggers, Vivi spoils with Blizzaga, Ana with Hail Crest and that's just this field, there are plenty of other ice users in the DL. Being weak to a common element is a major flaw considering P3 sees being weak to a common element as knocking him on his ass every turn ;p Full healing is nice as are the debuffers and w/o the ice weakness he would be solid over all yeah. Having options is always nice as well as the lightning resist. Fists <3
5 - Duran (SD3)
6 - Leehalt Alceste (WA3)
7 - Vivi (FF9)
8-  Karin Koenig (SH2)

[Tide]

Also bearing that in mind would ranking Akihiko over him be viable in that case (Tide input plz?)

They aren't fighting against each other as you mention. I feel that Akihiko as a whole, is a better package than Vivi. Sure in a 1v1, Aki gets turn locked by blizzard. But in comparison? Akihiko has a better set of skills, ice weakness aside. He's solid elsewhere. He won't make it to the top of a list (less the list really sucks), but averagish certainly sounds right. If you honestly think Akihiko is better than someone else, then rank him higher. If not, just leave it. Ranks aren't set in stone so you're free to change them before voting closes.

[Clear Tranquil]

Thanks~

Yeah I feel more comfortable with my new ratings for Middle. I did feel that sixth was a bit low for Aki despite the ice weakness. He's definitely a good character. I should take into account more that he won't always come up against ice wielders *nodnods* and that in those cases the full healing and debuffers are very sexy. If it weren't for the ice weakness I'd probably even rank him above Ana =-)

Monkeyfinger - Panic Dance is probably Peppita's best bet for chaos/confusion hype or at least another good option. It's AoE, so good range and is also 100% chaos on enemies w/th low SA-status anomaly resist and 50%-100% from skill L1-10 on enemies that have SA resist worth talking about. It also generates confusion waves in continious ticks so Peppita can keep an opponent chaos locked until they die and unlike counters it works on mages.

[Dark Holy Elf]

CT: Just for the record, Leehalt's not slow. Almost every WA3 boss is somewhere in the vicinity of average speed, erring towards slightly above average if anything, with a few scattered exceptions here and there (Janus 5 is a slug, Todd is fast, etc.).

Wouldn't see Counter working on an unreflectable magical attack, I'm pretty sure. Though I'll admit I'm not really sure how I see Peppita counters in general if that's not clear, hence my gutchecking her into a wide gap in my list. <_<

Vivi's status... Death is 32% hit rate. That's not good. Stop and Break are a little better (37%), but I disallow them because enemies killed with them don't yield Exp/gil, so it's similar to running away. Sleep is 46% and only lasts two turns, etc.

Vivi basically can't win with pure offence ever, in Middle. Slow, turn 3 status, 3HKO damage. So he wins on element spoiling and healing, which isn't... terrible, but yeah, think it's the worst on the list, since below average speed, frail healer is never a great base setup. Might beat Karin, though.

Re Anastasia, Entrance sadly can not be self-cast.

[Cmdr_King]

Godlike:

1. Myria (BoFs)
2. Belial (WA4)
3. Lady (SH3)
4. Dark Force (PSs)
5. Tir McDohl (Suikos)
6. Berle (SO2)
7. Cecilia Lyne Adelhyde (WA1)
8. Rika (PS4)
9. Time Mage (FF5)
10. Malik (WA3)
11. Brahms (VPs)
12. Celes Chere (FF6)
13. Gades (Lufias)

Heavy:

1. Lezard Valeth (VPs)
2. Anastasia Valeria (WA2)
3. Artea (Lufia 2)
4. Geno (SMRPG)
5. Claude Kenni (SO2)
6. Saki Inugami (SH2)
7. Richard (S5)
8. Angelo (DQ8)
9. Liete (G1)
10. Kika (S4)
11. Nina (BoF1)
12. Billy Lee Black (XG)
13. Mazus (S2)

Middle:

1. Eileen (S1)
2. Magdalen Harts (ACF)
3. Beowulf Kamdus (FFT)
4. Yulie Ahtreide (WA4)
5. Red Wizard (FF3)
6. Lyon (FE8)
7. Leehalt Alceste (WA3)
8. Bart Fatima (XG)
9. Akihiko Sanada (P3)
10. Anastasia Romanov (SH2)
11. Aika (SoA)
12. Karin Koenig (SH2)
13. Vivi (FF9)
14. Kraken (FF1)

Abstain.  Peppita Rosetti (SO3)- Blah, too complicated, don't feel like reading SO3's statpile.

Light:

1. Camus (S2)
2. Zhuzhen Liu (SH1)
3. Estella (S3)
4. Cai (Brig)
5. Tia (Lufia 2)
6. Logg (S5)
7. Cid (FF4)
8. Mel (S3)
9. Oulan (S2)
10. Spar (BoF2)
11. Chansey (PKMN)
12. Katarina (S4)
13. Gogo (FF6)

[Clear Tranquil]

Thanks NEB~

My mistake about Leehalt's speed then.

Wouldn't see Counter working on an unreflectable magical attack, I'm pretty sure.

Ooohhh that's a tough one. Well in game she can counter boss form Sophia's Blood Scylla and Meteo Swarm though the invincibility doesn't last all the way through obviously. Though if that Sophia didn't have boss immunity the counters would probably knock her out of the set up of those skills via chaos. I believe that in the case of that fight Blood Scylla and Meteo Swarm are set as specials ala how PC Sophia and Adray can set some spells as battle skills. Peppita can't counter things like Super Blair or Lenneth's Lightning Strike symbology though so she's unable to counter pure symbology i.e spells cast from a menu like PC Sophia and Adray can access. It's a bit of a psyduck for sure but fun to discuss. Personally for example I can see her as able to counter Pokemon specials but can understand why some would only allow her to counter the physical based ones and not the magical. Of course it's probably more of a psyduck for those who have a hard time getting their head around the idea of Peppita being good at all >.> <.<
 

Though I'll admit I'm not really sure how I see Peppita counters in general if that's not clear, hence my gutchecking her into a wide gap in my list. <_<

Oh I have no real problem of your ranking of her. I know you have used her fairly extensively, enough to have a fair grasp of her skills >.>


*nods @ the info about Vivi* Thanks. Yeah way worse than I thought.

Re Anastasia, Entrance sadly can not be self-cast.

It ... can't?

*headesks* I fail =D

[alanna82]

Godlike:

1. Myria
2. Brahms
3. Dark Force
4. Rika
5. Tir
6. Gades
7. Berle
8. Ness
9. Celes
10. Cecilia

abstain: Time Mage- apparently the random damage from Meteor is good. Not sure how I see Reset, for all it being 100% useless in game.


Heavy:

Dont remember Saki enough to rank her

1. Pamela Ibis
2. Claude
3. Artea
4. Billy
5. Nina 1
6. Geno
7. Angelo
8. Mazus
9. Kika
10. Richard
11. Liete
12. Lezard (VP1 Lezard is not heavy! it says VP's though so I assume its okay to use his weaker form)

Middle:

1. Beowulf
2. FF3 Red Wizard
3. Eileen
4. Peppita
5. Akihiko
6. Magdalen
7. Bart
8. Karin
9. Kraken
10. Lyon
11. Anastacia
12. Vivi



Light:

1. Camus
2. Estella
3. Spar (yes I have High spar respect)
4. Tia (same with Tia)
5. Chansey
6. Logg
7. Oulan
8. Katarina (even a 2 in lightining affinity HURTS)
9. Mel (devil doll also hurts)
10. Solider (isnt it called Warrior? at least in my version it is)
11. Aguro
12. Gogo
13. Cid (Cid is just that bad)