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Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« on: December 24, 2007, 06:01:08 AM »
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Diek 5, Jessica 4
Rika 10, Cyril 1
Terra 12, Jade 2

Raquel 7, Barbarossa 6
Sharon 10, Edgar 0
Miang 7, Suicune 0
Saki 7, Freyjadour 1

Noa 4, Menardi 3 (Yakko tiebreak)
Shion 5, Graham Cray 4
Miakis 5, Vahn 0
Kazan 8, Grey 0

Doc 7, Pierre 2
Hugh 4, Katarina 0
Jane 6, Zell 0
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Godlike:

31 Emelious de Pamela (G3) vs 32 Guv (DQ8)
40 Citan Uzuki (XG) vs 3 Ghaleon (Lunar:SSSC)
56 Shania (SH3) vs 49 Empyrea (DQ8)
8 Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs 47 Elc (AtLC)

Heavy:

110 Knight (FF1) vs 56 Hiro (Lunar:EBC)
224 Maya Amano (Pers2) vs 146 Legretta (TotA)
144 Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs 145 Jerin (Lufia1)
121 Lenus (LoD) vs 91 Ramladu (SF1)

Middle:

46 Nina (BoF5) vs 188 Ivan (GS)
216 Rhett (S3) vs 20 Peter (SF2)
176 Minsc (BGs) vs 110 Guy Cecil (TotA)
106 Juan (S3) vs 54 Sigurd (S4)

Light:

194 Tia (Lufia2) vs 89 Janus (VP1)
43 Ernest (SO2) vs 40 Bernadatte (S5)
216 Piccolo (S3) vs 57 Roger (SO3)
73 Jayle (VP1) Vs 159 Saleh (FE8)
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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2007, 06:17:36 AM »
Godlike:

31 Emelious de Pamela (G3) vs 32 Guv (DQ8)- Emo handles slow healers just fine.
40 Citan Uzuki (XG) vs 3 Ghaleon (Lunar:SSSC)- Too bad Citan can't block ID, otherwise this would  be a fight.
56 Shania (SH3) vs 49 Empyrea (DQ8)- I think. Do I see WoI hitting stock? Eh. Probably not, but it doesn't matter here.
8 Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs 47 Elc (AtLC)- Strong kneejerk.

Heavy:

110 Knight (FF1) vs 56 Hiro (Lunar:EBC)- Trying to murder Knight with physicals is a waste of time.
144 Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs 145 Jerin (Lufia1)- Breaks.
121 Lenus (LoD) vs 91 Ramladu (SF1)- Healing.

Middle:

46 Nina (BoF5) vs 188 Ivan (GS)
216 Rhett (S3) vs 20 Peter (SF2)- I'd have to check but I recall Peter being pretty tanky against physicals, and Rhett.. less so back.
176 Minsc (BGs) vs 110 Guy Cecil (TotA)- Better.
106 Juan (S3) vs 54 Sigurd (S4)- Overkill.

Light:

194 Tia (Lufia2) vs 89 Janus (VP1)- Recall Janus's PWS really, really sucking on offense in the DL.
43 Ernest (SO2) vs 40 Bernadatte (S5)- Ernest halves ice and is pretty evasive and it's not even close to enough. Bern slowly wears him down. This fight takes roughly a million years.
73 Jayle (VP1) Vs 159 Saleh (FE8)- Jayle blows.
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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2007, 06:34:16 AM »
Godlike:

31 Emelious de Pamela (G3) vs 32 Guv (DQ8): Shadow wave > monsters
40 Citan Uzuki (XG) vs 3 Ghaleon (Lunar:SSSC)
56 Shania (SH3) vs 49 Empyrea (DQ8): Slaughter. Wave of ice kills all tension in game. How would it not kill stock? Yeah, Empyrea goes first, does some damage then destroys Shania's free starting stock, and then... what  can Shania do? She can't OHKO, healing would be admitting defeat, and sanlittobell would be met with another ice + damage combo.
8 Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs 47 Elc (AtLC): Respect his durability, don't respect divide vs. bosses. Elc's conventional damage is unquestionably shitty. I think Zophar survives through all of invincible.

Heavy:

110 Knight (FF1) vs 56 Hiro (Lunar:EBC)

Middle:

176 Minsc (BGs) vs 110 Guy Cecil (TotA): I don't think he's OHKOed, which thanks to the huge speed gap gives him a win. Argue me with number crunching if you like.

Light:

194 Tia (Lufia2) vs 89 Janus (VP1): Don't think his PWS was that bad, but... his normal chains barely register. Meh.
43 Ernest (SO2) vs 40 Bernadatte (S5)
216 Piccolo (S3) vs 57 Roger (SO3)
73 Jayle (VP1) Vs 159 Saleh (FE8)

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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2007, 07:01:06 AM »
Godlike:

31 Emelious de Pamela (G3) vs 32 Guv (DQ8): Evade haxing via that one move?
40 Citan Uzuki (XG) vs 3 Ghaleon (Lunar:SSSC): Blah blah Fate Storm blah blah.
56 Shania (SH3) vs 49 Empyrea (DQ8): Kills before she gets a turn?
8 Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs 47 Elc (AtLC): Elc's full combo Invincible damage is very far from shitty. ~9x average overall works well enough here. I think. Throw in more for Divide. And that doesn't matter because Zophar has non-total-crap boss healing. Yes. I love it when that matters.

Heavy:

110 Knight (FF1) vs 56 Hiro (Lunar:EBC): Speed works? I don't know if Knight is tanky enough to take 2 Triple Swords, and he has to 2HKO Hiro.
144 Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs Jerin (Lufia1): Breaks are worthless here, he'd have an easier time going for straight damage heal locking, which doesn't work very well against L1 healing off Jerin's base speed. Flame Ring Vulcan kills.
121 [bLenus[/b] (LoD) vs 91 Ramladu (SF1): Right then.

Middle:

216 Rhett (S3) vs 20 Peter (SF2): Bird battle. I think Peter wins.
106 Juan (S3) vs 54 Sigurd (S4): He has to hit him. Then boom happens. Conversely, Yellow Scarf.

Light:

194 Tia (Lufia2) vs 89 Janus (VP1): Tia isn't going to have any problems here.
43 Ernest (SO2) vs 40 Bernadatte (S5)
73 Jayle (VP1) Vs 159 Saleh (FE8): When NEB is voting against an FE mage...
« Last Edit: December 24, 2007, 06:41:48 PM by Cryo »

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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2007, 07:20:54 AM »
Godlike:

31 Emelious de Pamela (G3) vs 32 Guv (DQ8): Shadow Wave makes this easy.
40 Citan Uzuki (XG) vs 3 Ghaleon (Lunar:SSSC): Time to die, etc.
56 Shania (SH3) vs 49 Empyrea (DQ8): What Monkey says isn't entirely correct. Shania uses Sanlittobell and instant doubles, allowing her to heal with Shining Zephyr. Problem is, Empyrea can -then- use Wave of Ice + attack, and this time Shania won't be able to use that same strategy, and the only difference is she's taken away about 30% of Empyrea's HP, which is not enough.

Heavy:

110 Knight (FF1) vs 56 Hiro (Lunar:EBC): C'mon, guys. Knight does 53% to average. Hiro tanks two hits and isn't failing to 3HKO with Triple Sword.
121 Lenus (LoD) vs 91 Ramladu (SF1): Lenus can tank a Ramladu attack pretty easily, her HP was fine.

Middle:

216 Rhett (S3) vs 20 Peter (SF2): Probably 2HKOs I guess. He might be in some trouble if he doesn't?
106 Juan (S3) vs 54 Sigurd (S4): Bam.

Light:

194 Tia (Lufia2) vs 89 Janus (VP1): Yeah, Janus' killer turn isn't even 5000 damage. Tia can handle that.
43 Ernest (SO2) vs 40 Bernadatte (S5): Freezypoison does its thing.
216 Piccolo (S3) vs 57 Roger (SO3): Better.
73 Jayle (VP1) Vs 159 Saleh (FE8): I'm a bit surprised, but she barely 2HKOs.

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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2007, 09:04:13 AM »
Godlike:

31 Emelious de Pamela (G3) vs 32 Guv (DQ8)- Emelious
40 Citan Uzuki (XG) vs 3 Ghaleon (Lunar:SSSC)- Ghaleon
56 Shania (SH3) vs 49 Empyrea (DQ8)- Empyrea
8 Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs 47 Elc (AtLC)- Elc. Divide hits every boss fine, I could see it having issues against awesome MDef, but Zophar doesn't have that (And...all of one boss in ATL 2 has that? Yeah)

Heavy:

110 Knight (FF1) vs 56 Hiro (Lunar:EBC)- Hiro. Knight ain't hot on damage
224 Maya Amano (Pers2) vs 146 Legretta (TotA)- Legretta. Searing Sorrow=ouch, I think.
144 Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs 145 Jerin (Lufia1)- Jerin
121 Lenus (LoD) vs 91 Ramladu (SF1)- Lenus. She has like 2 PC HP and good defenses.

Middle:

46 Nina (BoF5) vs 188 Ivan (GS)- My gut says Nina
216 Rhett (S3) vs 20 Peter (SF2)- Peter
176 Minsc (BGs) vs 110 Guy Cecil (TotA)- Gut says Minsc
106 Juan (S3) vs 54 Sigurd (S4)- Juan

Light:

194 Tia (Lufia2) vs 89 Janus (VP1)- Tia
43 Ernest (SO2) vs 40 Bernadatte (S5)- Bernadette
216 Piccolo (S3) vs 57 Roger (SO3)- Roger
73 Jayle (VP1) Vs 159 Saleh (FE8)- Jayle
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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2007, 03:58:19 PM »
Godlike:

31 Emelious de Pamela (G3) vs 32 Guv (DQ8)
56 Shania (SH3) vs 49 Empyrea (DQ8)
8 Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs 47 Elc (AtLC)

Heavy:

110 Knight (FF1) vs 56 Hiro (Lunar:EBC)
144 Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs 145 Jerin (Lufia1)

Middle:

46 Nina (BoF5) vs 188 Ivan (GS)

Light:

194 Tia (Lufia2) vs 89 Janus (VP1)
43 Ernest (SO2) vs 40 Bernadatte (S5)
216 Piccolo (S3) vs 57 Roger (SO3)
73 Jayle (VP1) Vs 159 Saleh (FE8)

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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2007, 04:43:15 PM »

Godlike:

31 Emelious de Pamela (G3) vs 32 Guv (DQ8) - I don't know, I really don't. Passing for now.
8 Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs 47 Elc (AtLC) - Elc.

Heavy:

110 Knight (FF1) vs 56 Hiro (Lunar:EBC) - Oh bleeding hell. I go Hiro since he'll strike first and get a lot of shots at the Knight. Helluva fight.
144 Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs 145 Jerin (Lufia1) - Jerin. Outheals.

Middle:

106 Juan (S3) vs 54 Sigurd (S4) - Juan.

Light:

194 Tia (Lufia2) vs 89 Janus (VP1) - Tia. Outheals.
216 Piccolo (S3) vs 57 Roger (SO3) - Roger?
73 Jayle (VP1) Vs 159 Saleh (FE8) - Jayle?
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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2007, 07:26:12 PM »
Godlike:

Citan Uzuki (XG) vs Ghaleon (Lunar:SSSC) - Fate Storm, etc.
Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs Elc (AtLC) - If AtL2 bosses got hit by Divide fine, it's their problem for not outright immuning Gravity. Any boss who has that immunity tag in-game should rightfully laugh at it. This is, however, not Zophar's case in EBO, and it doesn't matter!

Heavy:

Knight (FF1) vs Hiro (Lunar:EBC) - EBO Hiro 4HKOs Knight instead of 3HKOing.
Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs 145 Jerin (Lufia1) - He gets the time to pull his breaks and 2HKOs her to boot. Jerin's offense is kinda epic.
Lenus (LoD) vs Ramladu (SF1) - Tanks a hit, OHKOs.

Middle:

Rhett (S3) vs Peter (SF2) - Guess Rhett doesn't 2HKO.

Light:

Tia (Lufia2) vs Janus (VP1) - butbutbut POIZN HYPE yeah no.
Jayle (VP1) vs Saleh (FE8) - Fail, Saleh.
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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2007, 08:14:17 PM »
Jo'ou wrote: Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs Elc (AtLC) - If AtL2 bosses got hit by Divide fine, it's their problem for not outright immuning Gravity. Any boss who has that immunity tag in-game should rightfully laugh at it. This is, however, not Zophar's case in EBO, and it doesn't matter!

Thats fine, but you ought to handle things like Spellbinding Eye/Gau's Charm similarly.

This doesn't matter anyway. EBC Zophar has semi-competent boss healing on one of his arms.

As far as Jerin's damage goes, why not just allow the L1 element rings of the appropriate types to the girls? Doubling damage is pretty unique in and of itself, and you could just throw out the elemental halving if it bothers you. Makes the cast more interesting and reflects in-game better. Its a small thing that I really don't see being hung up on a technicality for.
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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2007, 11:39:09 PM »
Jo'ou wrote: Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs Elc (AtLC) - If AtL2 bosses got hit by Divide fine, it's their problem for not outright immuning Gravity. Any boss who has that immunity tag in-game should rightfully laugh at it. This is, however, not Zophar's case in EBO, and it doesn't matter!

Thats fine, but you ought to handle things like Spellbinding Eye/Gau's Charm similarly.

Spellbinding Eye isn't a status, and I do apply the limitation to Gau's Charm. For the L1 Element Rings... eeeeeeeh. It's 2/4, which means half the cast can use it. It's not particularly unique in that sense, and you know I'm not terribly kind on accessories that aren't unique/statusblockers. I know you disagree with that, but that's how I roll.
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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2007, 11:45:29 PM »
Probably shouldn't get into the debate when I'm about to leave, but how is Spellbinding Eye not a status? It adds a flag to the targetted enemy, and while under the influence of this flag their turn icon can't advance. Hmmm. Nothing like Stop, that.

... I suppose you could argue (someone has, in the past) that the icon isn't advancing due to OMGWTF MASSIVE IP DAMAGE, but it works even on things that immune IP damage so that doesn't make much sense. (At least, I -think- G2 had such things? Maybe it was just G3.)

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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2007, 12:02:31 AM »
The L1 element rings aren't 2/4, though. The girl's spells are strictly split down element lines.

Jerin: Fire, Ice

Lufia: Lightning, Water, Explosion

So its 1/4 for a paticular ring, in regards to doubling damage. No ring has an overlap. Unlike L2, the rings have a pretty clear intended user.
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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2007, 04:44:18 AM »
Okay, NEB, I didn't know that. >_> Granted, which status flag do I tag Spellbinding Eye to? It's not Paralyze, paralysis immunity does nothing to it. Neither does status immunity. In a game -with- status immunity, this is a big deal. (Although, that does bring a point -against- Divide. Nothing immunes Gravity damage in-game, and it has no special flags or elemental immunities either, just shoddy resistances. Then, my policy of punishing a game for sucking at resistances/immunities/stats kicks in, anyhow. I'm not punishing a status that's badass enough to laugh at full status immunity, and I guess I shouldn't do that to Charm, either. Still not giving extra credit for Divide, the game's fault for not giving a non-obscure element immunities. Charm has the added weirdness of having another status that's fairly mechanically similar to it that gets immuned. In a game with extensive status protection as FF6, I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt).

Pyro: sure, they are broken down to clear lines. But they still can both equip the rings, and there are benefits to it beyond damage doubling anyhow. It's not unique enough to me still, and I do not agree with dummying out item aspects out of principle. If I allow the accessory, I give it the full monty or I don't allow it at all. And god bless FFT's Angel Ring Auto-Life being useless in the DL in that case.
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Re: Full ranking tournament: Round 2, Week 2!
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2007, 11:43:14 PM »
Updates tomorrow.
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