Season 46, Week 2 - It's Menardi/Maxim revengefic week in Heavy! Oh god.

[DjinnAndTonic]

I don't remember SO3 well enough to know why L10 battle skills -shouldn't- be allowed, anyone want to give me a rundown?

Also, more proof that PCHP needs to have its own post so that newbies can at least -hear- what it is and have the chance to accept it or not before blindly going through stat topics...

-Djinn

[Unoriginal]

Less that they aren't allowed, more that there aren't any figures for them yet.  Can't make judgements/averages off of numbers you don't have.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Pretty much what Uno says. I do allow Berserk to the entire cast myself, which means I don't take the figures in the averages we have literally, and I take the averages a bit higher. We had figures with Berserk, but they were lost to the madness of SO3 stat topicing and the forums insanity, IIRC.

[Talaysen]

Oh, sorry.  I thought those numbers were with Berserk.

And allow Berserk/L10 Power Dance if you want.  Just use averages that include those kinds of damages and it'll be fine.  Just don't be surprised if other people don't agree with you.  >.>

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Yeah, allowing L10 skills is a bit of a matter of personal taste. People's opinions -will- vary on it, regardless.

[Clear Tranquil]

STruth. Not allowing L10 Scatter Beam is just silly though  Maria gets nerfed without it >_>

Oh, sorry.  I thought those numbers were with Berserk.

NP Tal *^_^*

And allow Berserk/L10 Power Dance if you want.

Thanks~

Just use averages that include those kinds of damages and it'll be fine.

NP - Yeah I do compare her damage against other characters, if she is using Berserk or L10 skills or both then so are they yeah. They're not using Power Dance though whether it be low level or nay =-)

Just don't be surprised if other people don't agree with you.  >.>

<.<

Yeah well it is kind of surprising to see such a small figure pack such a hefty punch as Solon the arena administrator says about Peppita!

Allowing Berserk is evil though, baaad Snow ;p Peppita hits 300'000+ with short X > Power Dance > Faerie Friend > PD > FF > PD >FF >____>  She'd probably break 500'000 with L10 Power Dance too <_____<

Testing (no Berserk) -

Short X > Power Dance > Magic Hook - 11'000~ x 2 = 22'000

Short X - Power Dance > Kaboom - 4'500~ x 7~ = 31'000

Short X - Power Dance > Frozen Daggers - 5000~ x 4 = 20'000

Short X - Power Dance > Instanto Blast - 4'500 x 1 = 4'500 >.>

Mmm *muses* I think the only thing she comes close to changing the average is with Kaboom maybe?

Whether Peppita OHKOs/bordeline/2HKO with PD > FF against average depends on each individual's hit respect I guess. In game she has the chance of losing hits if the enemy is knocked down (same as Nel/Cliff's best moves), due to range inaccuracies (Maria) or if she is knocked out of the move. Since SO3 characters are forced to turn based in the DL those hit deciding factors don't usually matter, they should be getting max without them as non ARPG characters can't knock them out of their move or anything. That's just the way I see it though don't know if anyone agrees with me or not.

I want to apologise to any Poco fanatics who might have been offended by my gung ho attitude over this. At this point I've given up trying to change people's minds on Peppita, now I'm just enjoying a discussion =-)

[OblivionKnight]

It's AtL - only two people actually care about it (and in different ways)