Season 46, Week 2 - It's Menardi/Maxim revengefic week in Heavy! Oh god.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike

Elc (AtLC) vs Ness (EB)
Deis (BoFs) vs Asgard (WA3)
Zenon (Disgaea 2) vs Brahms (VPs)
Gilgamesh (FF5) vs Rolf Landale (PS2)

Heavy

Geshp (SF2) vs Yuffie Kisaragi (FF7)
Menardi (GS) vs Maxim (Lufia 2)
Dryst (Brig) vs Berserk (WA1)
Cecil Harvey (FF4) vs Fenril (OB)

Middle

Poco (AtLC) vs Peppita Rosetti (SO3)
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Lexis Shaia (Lufia 2)
Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Kimahri Ronso (FFX)
Feraligatr (PKMN)  vs Jill Fizzart (FE9)

Light

Imoen (BGs) vs Chelsea Torn (ToD)
Olan Durai (FFT) vs Suo (VP1)
Sue (G1) vs Guile (CC)
Tai Ho (Suikos) vs Chat (ToE)

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Elc (AtLC) vs Ness (EB) - This match can bite me.
Deis (BoFs) vs Asgard (WA3) - 3-2s, 3HKOs. The ID isn't turn one, and Deis has massive MDef anyway. (By the way, Deis1)
Gilgamesh (FF5) vs Rolf Landale (PS2) - Status, goes first.

Geshp (ShF2) vs Yuffie Kisaragi (FF7) - Sexy staff beatings.
Dryst (Brig) vs. Berserk (WA1) - Um, Berserk goes first and may well OHKO, 2HKOs at worst. Dryst... 3HKOs at best. >_>
Cecil Harvey (FF4) vs Fenril (OB) - Power overwhelming.

Poco (AtLC) vs Peppita Rosetti (SO3) - MP busting. The end.
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Lexis Shaia (Lufia 2) - Red Wizard is -so bad-.
Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Kimahri Ronso (FFX) - Ugh, Doom of all things wins this fight. Go away, Zidane.

Olan Durai (FFT) vs Suo (VP) - Ahahahahaha Olan.
Sue (G1) vs Guile (CC) - Ahahahahaha Sue.

[superaielman]

Godlike

Deis (BoFs) vs Asgard (WA3)- ID attached to a physical is good enough for me here.
Zenon (Disgaea 2) vs Brahms (VPs)- Think Brahms scores a 2HKO here. Up for debate on this one.
Gilgamesh (FF5) vs Rolf Landale (PS2)- Not sure. Need to check Gilgy's last form out.

Heavy

Geshp (SF2) vs Yuffie Kisaragi (FF7)- Yuffie's not tooooooo far from a 2HKO, but not especially close either.
Menardi (GS) vs Maxim (Lufia 2)- Menardi is as bad in Heavy as she was in Middle. Which is to say she fears anyone who blocks ID or has a shred of offense.
Dryst (Brig) vs Berserk (WA1)- 2HKO with Curse, I think.
Cecil Harvey (FF4) vs Fenril (OB)- Decent fight but the speed difference really sinks Cecil in every form that I've seen, along with the holy resist.

Middle

Red Wizard (FF1) vs Lexis Shaia (Lufia 2)- DoS RW goes first and should hit with something in time.
Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Kimahri Ronso (FFX)- Doom/Thievery's more than enough for me here.

Light

Imoen (BGs) vs Chelsea Torn (ToD)- It's Chelsea.
Olan Durai (FFT) vs Suo (VP1)- Stop is about the worst nonfatal status you can hit a VP PC with. Suo needs for Olan to miss Galaxy stop twice in a row. Eh. And his PWS isn't even fatal in one shot.
Sue (G1) vs Guile (CC)- Guile has strong techs if nothing else. Sue is Sue.
Tai Ho (Suikos) vs Chat (ToE)- Fuck Eternal Hammer.

[Pyro]

Elc (AtLC) vs Ness (EB): Mind Buster.
Deis (BoFs) vs Asgard (WA3): Guess he gets the ID off? I'll hold off on voting till people with more definitive analysis come along. Deis 1 might pull it off, I guess. But I think Deis 2 is better overall because of Mdef/Healing?
Zenon (Disgaea 2) vs Brahms (VPs): I... think? Should 2HKO with magic or something without being OHKOd or 2HKOd barring Bloody Curse?

Heavy

Geshp (SF2) vs Yuffie Kisaragi (FF7): One-rounding. This would apply either way but Geshp is a ShF2 boss not named Zeon.
Dryst (Brig) vs Berserk (WA1): Uh... not sure on Brig elements so I'll wait a second. Almost definitely Beserk though.
Cecil Harvey (FF4) vs Fenril (OB): Better slugger.

Middle

Poco (AtLC) vs Peppita Rosetti (SO3): BIG PHYSICAL DAMAGE VS. POCO. I guess. Like I ever used Peppita enough.
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Lexis Shaia (Lufia 2): Status, I think.
Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Kimahri Ronso (FFX): Uh... Sleep or Doom. Either should work.
Feraligatr (PKMN)  vs Jill Fizzart (FE9): Can't vote, but GOOOOO JILL! Laguz Guard hype or something.

Light: Just Say No.

Olan Durai (FFT) vs Suo (VP1):
Sue (G1) vs Guile (CC)
Tai Ho (Suikos) vs Chat (ToE)

[superaielman]

Did Berserk wall fire and darkness?

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Poco (AtLC) vs Peppita Rosetti (SO3): BIG PHYSICAL DAMAGE VS. POCO. I guess. Like I ever used Peppita enough.

Peppita's nooooooot really big on damage unless you allow Fairy Friend's unreliable combo hit fully. Also, uh Mind Buster. Peppita dies if she reaches 0 MP and her MP is averagish. How does she circumvent that unless you don't allow her to be MP killed?

[Dark Holy Elf]

Godlike

Deis (BoFs) vs Asgard (WA3): Asgard's ID is magical, Super.

Heavy

Geshp (SF2) vs Yuffie Kisaragi (FF7): Hahaha.
Dryst (Brig) vs Berserk (WA1): BERSERK SMASH. Honestly, I think even WA1o may win this (just needs to survive two Curses?). ACF just makes it less than close.

Middle

Red Wizard (FF1) vs Lexis Shaia (Lufia 2): FF1 status sucks.
Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Kimahri Ronso (FFX): Doom I guess. Wish I could find Deathproof legal.
Feraligatr (PKMN)  vs Jill Fizzart (FE9): Beorcguard hype~ Probably doesn't even need it? Fera's not too impressive.

Light

Olan Durai (FFT) vs Suo (VP1): Olan sucks. Suo wins this even if he never gets a PWS off. Even if you disagree, Olan WILL miss Galaxy Stop twice in a row during this fight, more than once. Remember that GS lowers Olan's overall efficiency, so if he's using it to try to stop PWSs, he's EVEN WORSE at slugging than usual.
Sue (G1) vs Guile (CC): oh god

[Clear Tranquil]

"Peppita's nooooooot really big on damage unless you allow Fairy Friend's unreliable combo hit fully. "

Nope. Faerie Friend is eight hit average. This still outdoes everyone else in damage. Adding Power Dance to boost it just makes it obscene. Point is if I don't allow Peppita's "unreliable" combo I don't allow anyone's combo to hit fully. Scatter Beam always getting ten hits? Mirror Slice always getting ten (even less likely)? Divine Wrath getting eighteen? LOL Max Shockwave always getting 7? No. Peppita has no more nor less unreliable combos than anyone else. Apart from the obscenity that is Faerie Friend/Dream Hammer/Short O + Increase HP damage Peppita's overall damage values are just fine thanks to Power Dance > offensive move combos. Power Dance changes things a lot. Only if one ignores Power Dance is Peppita not big on damage out with Faerie Friend/Dream Hammer.

Maria/Sophia/Adray/Nel/Peppita getting MP killed by anything is just a joke. Cliff/Roger sure but beyond that? No.

[Sierra]

Godlike

Deis (BoFs) vs Asgard (WA3): I have a pretty decent amount of respect for Wide Barrier's hitrate, but Deis mocks ID. BoltX/Shed, repeat ad nauseum.
Zenon (Disgaea 2) vs Brahms (VPs): Uh. This is surprisingly even. Think I'll give it to the newcomer.

Heavy

Geshp (SF2) vs Yuffie Kisaragi (FF7): Yuffie's just roadkill here. Better luck next time, kiddo.
Cecil Harvey (FF4) vs Fenril (OB): Better at the same game, and Cecil's healing isn't good enough to keep him afloat.

Middle

Red Wizard (FF1) vs Lexis Shaia (Lufia 2): Meh.
Feraligatr (PKMN)  vs Jill Fizzart (FE9): No vote, but I cannot help but think of Meeple upon seeing Jill's art. It is Pokemon versus Meeple. Whoever wins, we all lose.

Light

Olan Durai (FFT) vs Suo (VP1): It's a sad day when Suo deserves to win a match.

[Clear Tranquil]

Middle

Poco (AtLC) vs Peppita Rosetti (SO3)- Peppita doesn't even *need* damage for this fight. Goes first, nails Poco with status. Can't block them all. Not allowing Poco to block all non ID statuses with a broken non unique item. To me that's tantamount to allowing SO3 character to use their own broken storebought accessory (Tri Emblem - hey it blocks ID! >.>) - or Convert Damage to HP - in the DL. Even if I were so generous in Poco's case Peppita has *ID*  Sure Instanto Blast sucks because it's only one hit but Kaboom is multiple hits, chain be chained to double or triple those hits if that's what it takes. It's ID should definitely go through against a PC with no ID resist.
Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Kimahri Ronso (FFX) - Deathward for anti Doom hype!? No?

Light
Sue (G1) vs Guile (CC)- Reason's in write up >.>

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike

Elc (AtLC) vs Ness (EB)- Elc. Invincible, Mind Buster, and such.
Deis (BoFs) vs Asgard (WA3)- Well...if Deis does go for Deis 2 in order to resist Death, she loses a ton of damage and durability. Asgard respect gut says he takes it either way to me. Need to look into it more.
Zenon (Disgaea 2) vs Brahms (VPs)- Zenon, I guess. Although...Brahms and his 50% chance of overkill. Hmm...
Gilgamesh (FF5) vs Rolf Landale (PS2)- Gilgamesh.

Heavy

Geshp (SF2) vs Yuffie Kisaragi (FF7)- Geshp. His physical is still more than enough.
Menardi (GS) vs Maxim (Lufia 2)- Menardi, I guess?
Dryst (Brig) vs Berserk (WA1)- Berserk. Just...so much better.
Cecil Harvey (FF4) vs Fenril (OB)- Fenril

Middle

Poco (AtLC) vs Peppita Rosetti (SO3)- Peppita. Not buying MP=0 is death for SO 3 PCs unless SO 3 PCs are also allowed to kill DL opponents with that strategy.
Red Wizard (FF1) vs Lexis Shaia (Lufia 2)- Lexis
Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Kimahri Ronso (FFX)- Zidane

Light

Imoen (BGs) vs Chelsea Torn (ToD)- Imoen
Olan Durai (FFT) vs Suo (VP1)- Suo. Yeah, Galaxy Stop is a more in game thing.
Sue (G1) vs Guile (CC)- Don't know, will look up later. Sue tends to be underrated, but she still sucks.
Tai Ho (Suikos) vs Chat (ToE)- Tai Ho. Save your Ahahahahahas for Chat, not Sue.

[Ultradude]

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Kimahri Ronso (FFX): Hahaha am I the only one who is thrilled that Zidane is trouncing Kimahri? Doesn't need Doom even, Mini should cripple Kimahri's already sad offense enough for Zidane to outslug with thievery unless you assume that Zidane is simple not stealing through the whole game.
Feraligatr (PKMN)  vs Jill Fizzart (FE9): Kneejerk.

[Clear Tranquil]

Zidane whoring the entire division with status this season is probably what people are not thrilled about ;p Another FF character making Champ when other more interesting duellers would stand a chance otherwise? >.> *hypes Jude for Champ nonetheless*

[Cmdr_King]

Mini's not really viable here, Kim just builds up to overdrive and smites Zidane with status in that case.  Doom works because Zidane can just stall from there, rather than provoking any OD building.

[Ultradude]

Guess it depends on Thievery damage respect. Given how I've heard of people maxing out it's damage just because, I tend to give it about as much credit as Zidane's regular physical. I'd like to know what the formula that determines its power is though.

Anyways, Kimahri whoring with E&C bugs me way more than Zidane's status.

[Cmdr_King]

Eh, Soul Blade is basically useless in FFIX (you have to know the vulnerabilities of a given dungeon to know what to equip, the same vulnerability has to be common, enemies have to be durable enough to be worth statusing out...), while E&C has definite applications in FFX (a bit of a novelty by the time you get the Spirit Lance maybe, but Wakka's Rematch got lots of milage certainly), so E&C translating well to the DL doesn't particularly bother me, especially since it has some fairly clearly defined limitation and Kim is really bad if you do something like cast spells or status.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Kimahri can get enough healing from Lancet to reach Overdrive against all but overwhelming damage (1.5x recharge helps), so Mini really wouldn't work, regardless of Thievery respect (even if you take it at 9999... I'd assume you'd see Dragon Crest and Frog Drop as also 9999, meaning most of the cast hits that and the average is around 9000 <_<). Needs Doom.

But yeah he's just going to walk over this quarter.

Also, seconding CK in general.

[Clear Tranquil]

Wait ... *looks up* legal Death immunity? Jude has that doesn't he?
Heh he may just pull it off~ Fairly sure Jude has the overall board respect/support and yeah. I'm going to cry if Peppita loses to Poco of all things but mass Peppita usage/beliefs aside Peppita and Jude are the only Middles I have any real respect for this season >.> Meh well Red Wizard I guess =/ I can see how Peppita could defeat Zidane even but I'll get shot for suggesting why so eh.

[Pyro]

Eh? Jude vs. Zidane? Zidane Mini's, Jude weeps.

[superaielman]

Poco (AtLC) vs Peppita Rosetti (SO3)- Peppita. Not buying MP=0 is death for SO 3 PCs unless SO 3 PCs are also allowed to kill DL opponents with that strategy.

How's it different from SH SP to you? Running out of that is pretty much death as well and it only effects that series more or less.

[Clear Tranquil]

As far as I know MP Buster doesn't *always* reduce MP to zero. I'd have given Poco the win if it was that clear cut *and*  he went first (not happening) Basically to MP bust Poco has to a) Go first and b) Lower MP to 0 *exactly* Anything else even MP =1 and Peppita just MP regens it back. Magical Dance costs HP to use not MP. On the other hand it's pretty clear that a) Peppita goes first and b) Has Turn 1 statuses >.>

Edit: Just went to check something and according to Dhyer's topic Poco doesn't exactly have stellar MP of his own >.> I counted seven characters with more MP than his <.< So uh it doesn't seem like his MP is more than averagish either and in that case c) Peppita has hefty MP damage of her own >.>

[alanna82]

Just going to say, how does Guile beat Sue? Her damage at the time she leaves wasnt bad at all. >_> Guile has nearly game worst attack power. Sue's attack isnt that bad, thanks to her using bows which raise her strength.

and yes, Peppita does have good Mp.

and am i the only one that likes Zidane here? (as a character I mean)?

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

To alanna:

3-turn averages:

1. Gadwin 365 (2 Meteorstrikes, 1 Dragon King Slash)
2. Justin 328 (2 MidAirCuts, 1 Attack)
3. Feena 213 (2 Burnflares, 1 Fire Whip)
4. Sue 207 (1 Puffy Fire, 2 Physicals)
Average: 278 (Kill Point 695)

Sue's physical: 188 Damage

Sue gets one shot of low 3HKO damage and then, she's stuck with a 4HKO, and she pretty much 4HKOs effectively. This is pretty bad. Considering she's running off 75% PC HP and 85% average speed, this is worse. Guile may have close to game-worst strength, but his techs have good mults and most of them run off his better stat, IIRC, and CC characters tend to be fairly good at chipping, which should get around Sue's terrible healing pretty well.

EDIT: Guile even manages above average damage on the three-turn charge. Looks fairly clear here: Guile should borderline 2HKO while Sue 4HKOs back. While he does have Zoah-level speed, Sue is also poorly off on speed, so it balances.

[Ultradude]

and am i the only one that likes Zidane here? (as a character I mean)?

Nope 

You could argue a Nergal OHKO against Jude, which would make Nergal or MOMO Zidane's last opponent.

FF9 petrify is an auto win, right? Doesn't matter here since stoneproof is easy to get, but it might come up later.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Stone doesn't give EXP/AP/money when you defeat an opponent with it. So, it's not considered a legal win to most.