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List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« on: October 05, 2008, 05:07:41 PM »
Godlike:

Winners:

1. Fou-Lu (15.11)
2. Kefka (13.35)
3. TimeLord (12.94)
4. Rubicant (10.86)

Losers:

5. Elc (10.5)
6. Ice Queen Avril (10.36)
7. Jack Russell (9.3)
8. Benjamin (9.08)

Out:

9. Rolf Landale (8.91)
10. Chris Lightfellow (7)
11. Naliah (6.2)
12. Altima (5.76)
13. Dhoulmagus (5)
14. Deis (4.47)
15. Hrist (3.13)
16. Ultimecia (1.90)

Heavy:

Winners:

1. Zero (14)
2. Neifirst (13.89)
3. Lede (13.68)
4. Athos (11.4)

Losers:

5. Roufas (10.6)
6. Rofel Wodring (10.22)
7. Queen Zeal (10)
8. Georg Prime (8.89)

Out:

9. Rufus (8.87)
10. Garan (7.07)
11. Zapdos (6.85)
12. Ephraim (6.45)
13. Alex (5.41)
14. Ernst (4.8)
15. Cait Sith (3.85)
16. Johnny Jones (2.75)

Middle:

Winners:

1. Noa (15.33)
2. Jessica Philomele (12.77)
3. Colm (11.37)
4. Dekar (11.18)

Losers:

5. Maya (10.8)
6. Alen (10.65)
7. Alice Elliiot (10.28)
8. Scythe (9.59)

Out:

9. Carol Anderson (9.36)
10. Blanca (7.31)
11. Ashton Anchors (7.29)
12. Karsh (6.59)
13. Amarant Coral (5.21)
14. Grand Master (5.18)
15. Lise (4.75)
16. Bowser Koopa (1.68)

Light:


Winners:

1. Gijimu (14.65)
2. Andarc (12.78)
3. Jet Enduro (12.67)
4. Yukari Takeba (12.11)

Losers:

5. Opera Vectra (11.33)
6. Dinn (10.14)
7. Kongol (9.18)
8. Miluda Folles (7.65)

Out:

9. Lyonesse (7.54)
10. Emma Hetfield (6.92)
11. Ernest Raviede (6.36)
12. Bazba (5.71)
13. Tink (5.70)
14. Rafa Galthana (5.47)
15. Suo (5.39)
16. Ruprecht (3.56)

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Godlike:

Jenna Angel (DDS)
Profound Darkness (PS4)
Magus (CT)
Dhaos (ToP)
Sir Leopold (DQ8)
Emelious de Pamela (G3)
Sarevok (BG1)
Jessica Albert (DQ8)
Avalon (LoL2)
Luther Lansfeld (SO3)
Ash Lambert (VH)
Lulu (FFX)
Arecus (PKMN)
Fereydoon (WA5)
Wren (PS4)
Jecht (FFX)

Heavy:

Bosch (BoF5)
Shizel (ToE)
Id (XG)
Suicune (PKMN)
Hugo (S3)
Edea Kramer (FF8)
Arngrim (VPs)
Kary (FF1)
Fogel (OB)
Geddoe (S3)
Nina (BoF4)
Cristo (DW4)
Nel Zelpher (SO3)
Donald Duck (KH)
Hiro (Lunar:EBC)
Albert Simon (SH1)



Middle:

Nergal (FE7)
Bowman Jean (SO2)
Jude Maverick (WA4)
Nelis (S5)
Bowyer (SMRPG)
Poco (AtLC)
Harle (CC)
Charizard (PKMN)
Fiora (FE7)
Ulf (G3)
Mitsuru Kirijo (P3)
Frog (CT)
Mua (S3)
Joachim Valentine (SH2)
Katt (BoF2)
Meru (LoD)

Light:

Russell Bergman (SRT:OG1)
Goofy (KH)
Tai Ho (Suikos)
Sten  (BoF2)
Pikachu (PKMN)
Taya (SF2)
Melody  Vilente (WA3)
Brey (DW4)
Palmer (FF7)
LeBlanc (FFX-2)
Wilme (7S)
Rude (FF7)
Randi (SoM)
Anri (SF1)
Karn (BoF1)
Genis Sage (ToS)
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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 05:16:17 PM »
Again, listing opinions when I can't hit seven just because.

Godlike:

1. Magus (CT): The barriers are incredibly good at what they do.
2. Arecus (PKMN): Holy versatility Batman. Would probably be ahead of Magus if there was full healing in PKMN and he could deal with lethal status.
3. Lulu (FFX): A slow PC with low HP... who is also obscenely hard to kill, with excellent damage and Death.
4. Fereydoon (WA5): Way faster than Jecht, though his damage output isn't quite Persephone level.
5. Jecht (FFX): A tad slow, and ass damage. Godlike durability and great PC killing tricks at least.


Heavy:

1. Hugo (S3): ID, evasion, healing, damage, speed. Lots of heavy PC goodness.
2. Suicune (PKMN): Tank. A bit of buffing and solid damage make it pretty excellent.
3. Albert Simon (SH1): Initiative HP-1 goes a long way in heavy.
4. Nel Zelpher (SO3): Hugo, only not so much. Still scary though.
5. Geddoe (S3): Insane damage, only it's just one element.


Middle:

1. Nergal (FE7): Aha durability antihype. Even against speed he still gets counters to make up for it, and 2HKOs PCs with ease.
2. Mitsuru Kirijo (P3): The fire weakness sucks, but she heals and has excellent ice magic damage.
3. Fiora (FE7): Fast FE fighter with res.
4. Charizard (PKMN): Best damage is all fire. Aside from that, decent speed and the fire damage is really good.
5. Bowyer (SMRPG): Dunno. Looks right?
6. Frog (CT): Er. He heals and has decent damage?
7. Mua (S3): Durable. Only, that's pretty much it.


Light:

1. Russell Bergman (SRT:OG1): Doesn't die long enough to kill things. Silly SRW seishins.
2. Genis Sage (ToS): A touch of elemental spoiling, and solid damage with elemental variety.
3. Melody  Vilente (WA3): Barrier spoils low damage people, but loses to healers who can get past it.
4. Pikachu (PKMN): Lots of tricks. The problem is living long enough to use them...
« Last Edit: October 07, 2008, 05:42:01 AM by Ultradude »
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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008, 05:20:57 PM »
Godlike:

1. Jenna Angel
2. Profound Darkness
3. Sarevok (Wins at everything)
4. Emelious de Pamela (Melfice remixed.)
5. Avalon (Solid in spite of the speed)
6. Ash Lambert (Excellent fighter, wants more speed though.)
7. Magus
8. Wren (Good defensive game)
9. Jessica (Really don't like how spoilable magic burst is)
10. Lulu (Too slow for Godlike)
11. Sir Leopold
12. Jecht (Trash)

Heavy:

1. Id (Is a Godlike in spite of that HP)
2. Fogel (Is close to Godlike)
3. Hugo (Ditto)
4. Albert Simon (!!! off first strike still works very well.)
5. Kary (Good but the concerns about magic she can't wall are very valid.)
6. Nina 4 (Field drops.. right.. here.)
7. Cristo (Yep)
8. Hiro (Just never been as impressed with him in practice as others.)
9. Geddoe (Hates thunder defense.)
10. Edea
11. Shizel (Loses to Maxim)
12. Arngrim

Middle:

1. Jude (Heavy)
2. Bowman (High Middle. HP+2HKO damage+stun+status blockers.)
3. Nergal (Solid in spite of giving up doubles. God does he hate S2 and SO2 as a cast though.)
4. Fiora (Just a very solid FE fighter.)
5. Poco (PDef woes ruin an otherwise very solid package)
6. Mua (Leo level defense and evade? Cripes.)
7. Nelis (Good.. but fire elemental.)
8. Charizard (See Nelis)
9. Bowyer (Can be walled.)
*drop*
10. Joachim (Turn two ID, status blockers, HP.)
11. Harle (Underwhelming.)
12. Katt (Can't take a hit but is fast with decent offense.)
13. Frog (Can at least take a hit.)
14. Meru  (Durablity is too bad to make up for a decent skillset.)
15. Ulf (No SP)

Light:

1. Taya
2. Pikachu (Always have and will scale him from midgame based on LG.)
3. Tai Ho (Better than you'd think thanks to that Killer Rune)
4. Melody (Less barrier respect, still solid.)
5. Karn (Crits)
6. Wilme (ID is very evade subject and he does not like status. Still, very durable+ID wins in light and he isn't slow.)
7. Brey (Good confuse, but he still doesn't like fighters)
8. Sten (Solid speed and.. damage, kinda?)
9. Rude (Sucks)
10. Randi (really sucks)
11. Palmer (Palmer)
12. LeBlanc (Worse than Palmer)
13. Anri (Oh boy. Slow and frail and 3HKOs and it's ice damage and wiiiiiiiiin!)
« Last Edit: October 11, 2008, 07:53:24 PM by superaielman »
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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2008, 06:03:10 PM »
Godlike:

1. Profound Darkness (PS4)
2. Dhaos (ToP)
3. Sarevok (BG1)
4. Wren (PS4)
5. Magus (CT)
6. Ash Lambert (VH) - Vandalier Ash would be higher, pity I never bothered to get all the medallions or whatever.

Heavy:

1. Id (XG) - disgustingly high damage off of disgustingly high speed
2. Suicune (PKMN) - I think?
3. Nina (BoF4)
4. Hiro (Lunar:EBC)
5. Arngrim (VPs)
6. Shizel (ToE) - Shizel is trash
7. Kary (FF1) - DoS Fiend lol

Middle:

1. Bowman Jean (SO2)
2. Nergal (FE7) - Durability antihype can burn.  Speed is bad but I'm not sure how much I hold it against him against non-FEers
3. Fiora (FE7) - Speedy FE fighter
4. Poco (AtLC) - Badass despite the physical frailty
5. Bowyer (SMRPG) - Spoils FE fighters and other utterly one-dimensional people to me, but isn't much outside of that.
6. Charizard (PKMN) - Generally solid
7. Harle (CC)
8. Frog (CT)
9. Meru (LoD)
10. Katt (BoF2)

Light:

1. Russell Bergman (SRT:OG1) - Guard and Trust/Faith are badass.  Not much damage, but man is he hard to kill.
2. Taya (SF2)
3. Pikachu (PKMN) - Scaling, why not?
4. Tai Ho (Suikos) - Enough to own the rest of these scrubs
5. Palmer (FF7) - Palmer
6. Sten  (BoF2) - Sten
7. Rude (FF7) - Turk
8. Randi (SoM) - Randi
9. Anri (SF1) - SF1r mage

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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2008, 06:45:32 PM »
Godlike:

1.Emelious de Pamela (G3)
2.Dhaos (ToP)
3.Profound Darkness (PS4)
4.Luther Lansfeld (SO3)
5.Sir Leopold (DQ8)
6.Jessica Albert (DQ8)
7.Lulu (FFX)
8.Arecus (PKMN)
9.Jecht (FFX)
10.Magus (CT)
11.Wren (PS4)


Heavy:

1.Albert Simon (SH1)
2.Hiro (Lunar:EBC)
3.Kary (FF1)
4.Nina (BoF4)
5.Geddoe (S3)
6.Donald Duck (KH)
7.Suicune (PKMN)
8.Hugo (S3)
9.Nel Zelpher (SO3)
10.Arngrim (VPs)
11.Edea Kramer (FF8)

Middle:

1.Mitsuru Kirijo (P3)
2.Nergal (FE7)
3.Jude Maverick (WA4)
4.Poco (AtLC)
5.Ulf (G3)
6.Frog (CT)
7.Charizard (PKMN)
8.Joachim Valentine (SH2)
9.Bowyer (SMRPG)
10.Harle (CC)
11.Fiora (FE7)
12.Bowman Jean (SO2)
13.Katt (BoF2)


Light:

1.Pikachu (PKMN)
2.Melody  Vilente (WA3)
3.Rude (FF7)
4.Randi (SoM)
5.Karn (BoF1)
6.Genis Sage (ToS)
6.Goofy (KH)
7.Sten  (BoF2)
8.LeBlanc (FFX-2)
9.Palmer (FF7)

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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2008, 08:22:19 PM »
Godlike:

1) Emelious de Pamela (G3)
2) Jenna Angel (DDS)
3) Arecus (PKMN)
4) Profound Darkness (PS4)
5) Sarevok (BG1)
6) Magus (CT)
7) Jessica Albert (DQ8)
8) Wren (PS4)
9) Jecht (FFX)
10) Lulu (FFX)
11) Luther Lansfeld (SO3)
12) Avalon (LoL2)
13) Sir Leopold (DQ8)

Heavy:

1) Kary (FF1)
2) Bosch (BoF5)
3) Id (XG)
4) Hugo (S3)
5) Hiro (Lunar:EBC)
6) Suicune (PKMN)
7) Fogel (OB)
8) Albert Simon (SH1)
9) Cristo (DW4)
10) Nina (BoF4)
11) Nel Zelpher (SO3)
12) Geddoe (S3)
13) Arngrim (VPs)
14) Edea Kramer (FF8)


Middle:

1) Ulf (G3)
2) Bowyer (SMRPG)
3) Fiora (FE7)
4) Bowman Jean (SO2)
5) Nergal (FE7)
6) Jude Maverick (WA4)
7) Harle (CC)
8) Poco (AtLC)
9) Nelis (S5)
10) Charizard (PKMN)
11) Frog (CT)
12) Mua (S3)
13) Katt (BoF2)
14) Joachim Valentine (SH2)

Light:

1) Melody  Vilente (WA3)
2) Karn (BoF1)
3) Rude (FF7)
4) Pikachu (PKMN)
5) Sten  (BoF2)
6) Palmer (FF7)
7) Brey (DW4)
8) Randi (SoM)
9) Anri (SF1)
10) Genis Sage (ToS)
11) Tai Ho (Suikos)
12) LeBlanc (FFX-2)
« Last Edit: October 06, 2008, 01:37:35 AM by Monkeyfinger »

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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2008, 08:28:57 PM »
Godlike:

1. Profound Darkness (PS4) - Feels right. Insane HP and very strong slugfesting, alongside a few tricks to handle PCs (mostly buffers). This is the top three of trannies (Avalon is a bit more questionable in that regard, but Evil Sonic gives him a pass!).
2. Jenna Angel (DDS) - Bhairava is evil and you can't stop her from using it. That's a winner, alright.
3. Avalon (LoL2) - The lucky bastard gets a legal formchain, which saves his ass durability-wise. Thus, he's a PD mold with far less HP and even worse speed, but more PC-killing tricks and an anti-physical trick on the second form (which doesn't let him outpace PD pdur, but it's the thought that counts). Still pretty nasty, although hard and fast magic gets him owned (he loses to Tir, for an example, since each form is just PCish for HP).
*PLUMMET.*
4. Dhaos (ToP) - Urgh. The spoiling game synergy is very good - quite possibly way too good. Thank god he fails so hard once you get past it.
5. Wren (PS4) - Hm. Weird pool past the high level, full of low Godlikes. Wren's stalling is just very hard to get past, though.
6. Lulu (FFX) - Speed ruins her? Sorta. However, getting past everything else is a complete bitch.
7. Ash Lambert (VH) - Comparing him to Wren and Lulu... he lacks the multiple spoiling tools going for him, although he has better resources. I think that keeps him down.
Elemental walling, OHKO non-elemental damage, parasitic healing that keeps her going forever, accurate ID, ridiculous evasion, solid mdur... it just adds up.
8. Sir Leopold (DQ8) - Not that much more durable than Dhaos, but his damage of both types works, and he can actually put pressure on healers and buffers. Thankfully isn't that slow either.
9. Luther Lansfeld (SO3) - The limit range is just too hard to get past off that speed. Fails really epically before he gets started, but 75% limit range with that many strings attached against the opponent is pretty sexy, and a few resistances help. On the other hand, the HP and being entirely evadable... I could waffle on the positions from 4-9 anytime.
10. Magus (CT) - Worse spoiler than Dhaos, honestly.
11. Jessica Albert (DQ8) - Barely Godlike.
12. Jecht (FFX) - Not Godlike.


Heavy:

1. Kary (FF1) - Brutally good at PC-killing and slugfesting. Spoilable, but what can you do? Hold is evil, and her damage/defenses work wonderfully.
2. Nina (BoF4) - In spite of the pathetic damage and apparently eyebrow-raising durability, she's incredibly difficult to kill. You can't whore her out, you have to outlast her. And with that level of speed and resources, odds are you're not managing.
3. Donald Duck (KH) - He's an incredibly evil PC-killer with the Stop+Gravija combo, and that's not even his only resource. Voting the likes of Edea and Albert Simon over him is insane: his PC-killing is harder to resist, he's far harder to kill, he's faster and effectively far more durable, with the options of infinite full healing, elemental walling and Aero stalling to the side - and the fact he mostly can't be OHKOed. Kills PCs who don't stop him from getting a turn and slugfester bosses slower than him with a vengeance, but the status vulnerability is admittedly problematic, as is his hilariously bad damage (erring on the side of 7HKO? Wow, fail). On the other hand, the contingent of people he -does- kill is very vast.
4. Hiro (Lunar:EBC) - EBO... well, 2HKO damage, good speed and 100% ID go a long way. Even moreso when the damage is ITE (as is the ID) and he has strong equip options against status. 
5. Hugo (S3) - Very solid jack-of-all-trades type, being good at almost everything he does. Good damage, speed, a few match-winning tricks, great evasion, full healing... yeah, just a great package.
6. Nel Zelpher (SO3) - Sorta similar to Hugo, but has the issue of having poor speed on her healing and lacking the physical spoiling, along being more spoilable herself. Lacks the good damage of both types, the turn-one "I win" status (even if it's limited on Hugo's case)...  better statusblockers, though.
7. Geddoe (S3) - Slugfesting power is great. The spoilability is not. Strong Heavy mage.
8. Suicune (PKMN) - Pretty strong, just... not all that good within the context of this pool. This is a crazy strong list Heavy.
9. Id (XG) - Hey, it's Jeremy! Who gets barely OHKOed by average instead of slightly overkilled! And deals less damage! For more speed! And a non-physical damage backup! Good Heavy, but obviously has a few issues (mainly "getting OHKOed by average damage").
10. Cristo (DW4) - Good status and anti-damage game, but needs some more oomph. Solid Heavy.
11. Arngrim (VPs) - Okay. 2HKO damage, overkill on the second turn, good durability. Sorta like a more uneven Fogel with worse stats, but more definitive with his killing turn and has better equips.
12. Fogel (OB) - One-dimensional, but good at what he does. Has the typical OB issues, though.
13. Edea Kramer (FF8) - ID is all she has going for her. Maelstrom sucks with her damage options, and she's not fast or durable enough to make it stick. ID is a better PC-killing trick than what Simon has, though, since at least she doesn't get uniformly reamed by Heavy healers (well, she does if they immune ID).
14. Albert Simon (SH1) - Initiative ??? hype = no. This leaves us with a PC HP boss who gets INITIATIVE 3HKO DAMAGE ZOMG and HP-1 off poor speed and random status whoring that just doesn't work with the speed/durability combo. He's Ultimecia trading the HP for better damage and ineffectual initiative. This is not a flattering comparison, and this is not a particularly winning trade.


Middle:

1. Nelis (S5) - Honestly, it's close between her and Jude. However, being able to wall elements, to heal-lock with her physical and OHKO the magically frail without much fuss off solid speed and non-fail physical durability (and downright good magical durability) owns Jude's gimmicky - if badass - speed game today. Being wallable is problematic, but can't win 'em all.
2. Jude Maverick (WA4) - The speed game with RA Assault Buster has a lot of variables, but it ends out quite badass in practice. WA4 statusblockers and the excellent speed don't hurt either. The magical durability obviously has issues, though, and god help him against magical status he can't block, because those aren't missing unless they really fail.
3. Fiora (FE7) - Very solid FE type. Awesomely anti-magical and solid evade+counters let her deal with physicals, too.
4. Mua (S3) - Holy shit the durability is -godly-. The speed is also great in practice, which helps his admittedly uninspiring offense. Nearly unkillable by physicals, well off against magic. Sorta fears healers who are fast, but he's otherwise great. What Oswin wishes he was, really.
5. Poco (AtLC) - Very solid healer with gallons of resources, solid damage, good MDef and MP busting. Physical durability woes are annoying, though.
6. Bowyer (SMRPG) - Gimmicky. The button-disabling is a waste of time, since it takes him two turns to make it work (and, off the sub-Mallow starting speed, that's going to get him killed on average), but perfect sleep+3HKO magic combo? That wins him matches nicely, and the defenses largely mitigate the sub-PC HP. Wall either Lightning or sleep and he's in trouble, but that's not a bad trick.
7. Harle (CC) - Solid CC type. Status being turn two is a downer, but the damage is solid.
8. Bowman Jean (SO2) - The lag after Sakura Attack isn't pretty, quite honestly, and his alternative is wallable. Otherwise, just a typical run-of-the-mill SO2 2HKOing Middle. He's well above the losers in this pool, though, and I guess the equip options are nice.
9. Charizard (PKMN) - Also solid, but less notable on raw stats than Harle, I feel.
10. Meru (LoD) - Honestly, I think she's not that good nowadays. The 2HKOing is nice off her speed, but the durability has issues, and the healing just isn't great. Then, evasion fucks her up so very badly.
11. Katt (BoF2) - Borderline 2HKO with evadable physicals and poor durability. Sounds suspiciously similar to Meru, but without her fallbacks.
12. Nergal (FE7) - Durability anti-hype for Nergal is well-founded on reality. >_> His HP is horrible and his defenses aren't the quite the awesome you'd expect, especially considering the level of offense he has to endure (S Rank weapons, Nilsnian buffs, full supports, Athos). I don't even respect the 2HKO all that much, so this leaves us with someone who gets 2HKOed by average damage of both types and gets doubled right and left, and he doesn't even have the punch or defenses to avoid dying like Lyon does. That's winnar.
13. Frog (CT) - However... man, Frog. Status immunity and healing are all he has. Very poor against other healer types, can't apply pressure ever, doesn't take magic all that well... just sorta is there. He reminds me of Mallow. Would go miles in a Light pool and deserves being in Middle, but he was in Light once for a reason.


Light:

1. Taya (SF2) - Smash.
2. Melody  Vilente (WA3) - Tanks waaaay too well in Light. POIZN immunity is common, but she tends to just own Light by staying in the fray longer than they do.
3. Anri (SF1) - Non-slug and frail 2HKO > 3HKO of both types that's fast and frail to me today.
4. Sten  (BoF2) - Yeah. Fast 3HKO to both defenses probably works against this pool.
5. Randi (SoM) - Average, but durable. Works.
6. Wilme (7S) - Ehhhh. Evade is solid, ID is turn two, and he sorta sucks elsewhere. The magic durability is just horrific.
7. Pikachu (PKMN) - Way too frail.
8. Russell Bergman (SRT:OG1) - Fails at damage, but is a bitch to kill. Funny that.
9. Karn (BoF1) - Fast 3HKO of one type off sub-Sten durability.
10. Rude (FF7) - Slow 3HKO of one type! That's wallable! And he's no durability god! Yeah.
11. Brey (DW4) - Almost as frail as Pikachu to physicals, and even less capable of ending things on one turn. Neat skillset, but the durability makes him doomed to fail.
12. Palmer (FF7) - Evade is nice, I guess? The poor slugfesting, poor durability, poor speed and poor resources aren't.
13. Tai Ho (Suikos) - Eeeeeeeeh.
14. Goofy (KH) - Ahahahahahaha evadable physical 5HKO damage and practically nothing else.
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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2008, 08:37:23 PM »
Godlike
1. Profound Darkness (PS4)
2. Dhaos (ToP)
3. Jessica Albert (DQ8)
4. Luther Lansfeld (SO3)
5. Fereydoon (WA5)
6. Wren (PS4)
7. Lulu (FFX)
8. Magus (CT)
9. Ash Lambert (VH)
10. Jecht (FFX)
11. Sir Leopold (DQ8)

Heavy
1. Bosch (BoF5)
2. Id (XG)
3. Kary (FF1)
4. Fogel (OB)
5. Nel Zelpher (SO3)
6. Albert Simon (SH1)
7. Hugo (S3)
8. Nina (BoF4)
9. Geddoe (S3)
10. Edea Kramer (FF8)
11. Hiro (Lunar: EBC)
12. Suicune (PKMN)
13. Cristo (DW4)
14. Arngrim (VPs)
15. Donald Duck (KH)

Middle
1. Nergal (FE7)
2. Fiora (FE7)
3. Jude Maverick (WA4)
4. Bowman Jean (SO2)
5. Charizard (PKMN)
6. Frog (CT)
7. Joachim Valentine (SH2)
8. Nelis (S5)
9. Harle (CC)
10. Bowyer (SMRPG)
11. Katt (BoF2)
12. Mua (S3)

Light
1. Genis Sage (ToS)
2. Taya (SF2)
3. Melody  Vilente (WA3)
4. Pikachu (PKMN)
5. Brey (DW4)
6. Rude (FF7)
7. Tai Ho (Suikos)
8. Sten  (BoF2)
9. Goofy (KH)
10. Randi (SoM)
11. Palmer (FF7)
12. Anri (SF1)
13. Karn (BoF1)

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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2008, 08:38:14 PM »
Not enough to get counted in any division, but eh, I've got some time to kill.

1. Profound Darkness (PS4) - No brainer in this group.
2. Arecus (PKMN) - Tends to be an resistance-based spoiler, with just enough offense to be credible.
3. Dhaos (ToP) - GBA version has... lots of HP!  And 2HKO magic!  And nothing else!
4. Magus (CT) - Needs damage.
5. Wren (PS4) - Really out of his depth in Godlike.

1. Suicune (PKMN)
2. Edea Kramer (FF8)
3. Kary (FF1) - DoS Kary.  Everything else is incredibly self-explanatory.

1. Fiora (FE7)
2. Charizard (PKMN)
3. Nergal (FE7) - I don't respect his defenses at all, he has about 0.8x PCHP, and he gets doubled by average.  Baaaaad combo, but I still think that puts him ahead of...
4. Frog (CT)
Bowyer (SMRPG) - Abstaining on the fact that I don't remember him in the slightesting.

1. Taya (SF2) - Massive Damage.
2. Russel Bergman (SRT:OG1) - Spams Guard all day long, pretty much.  Base durability is bad, but he's subject to status and his damage is horrible *before* factoring in the accuracy issues.
3. Anri (SF1) - Close between her and Russel.  Kneejerking against her due to not remembering her defense being worth anything at all, and she's not as fast as Taya, either.
4. Pikachu (PKMN) - Don't really respect Pika at all these days.  3HKOs, dies to below-average physical damage, needs too many turns to get the buffing game going considering his extreme frailty.

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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 12:08:34 AM »
Godlike
1 PD. Lots of HP, good magic and physicals
2 Emelious. Murderous damage+speed
3 Jenna. Murderous damage that isn’t on the first turn.
4 Saverok. Have a lot of respect here.
5 Avalon. Solid overall slugger
6 Luther. Evil limit
7 Dhaos. Weird defensive tricks works
8 Fereydoon. Solid
9 Lulu. Gut here. Tanking tricks of evil help.
10 Ash
11 Jessica
12 Magus
13 Sir Leopold
14 Jecht
15 Wren

Heavy
1 Shizel. Mid Godlike
2 Id. 200% Speed=Evil
3 Nel. Damage+Healing+Status+Great Equip Choice
4 Nina. Great at walling, but lack of rushing ability hurts.
5 Albert. Yep, still have respect!
6 Hugo. Nice versatility
7 Cristo. Could go higher though
8 Bosch. Or something. Not thinking on him much.
9 Hiro. Solid 2HKO with the ID
10 Edea. The damage is horrid, but Death and Reflect/Silence are great.
11 Arngrim. Badass turn 2 and HP, but too straightforward and can’t get much done on turn 1.
12 Suicune. Between him and Arn, Arn is less wallable/better against status/not 200% weak to Lightning.
13 Geddoe. While he’s slightly more damaging/durable than I thought, his strategies are easy to poke holes in.
14 Kary. DoS

Middle
1 Ulf. Solid Heavy.
2 Bowman. Damage+HP booster+Some Healing.
3 Nelis. Damage+Awesome Equips.
4 Mua. Physical wall of death+fast physicals thanks to SoM
5 Poco
6 Bowyer
7 Fiora. Magic spoiling works
8 Joachim. ID and a few utility tricks.
9 Jude. Kill point is like 26K to me, so Jude ain’t too impressive to me.
10 Mitsuru. Fire weakness hurts a lot.
11 Charizard. Kind of like Mitsuru, but hates Lightning instead (But not as much). However, worse skillset/more elementally reliant.
12 Frog. Yeah, sucks at putting pressure on.
13 Nergal. I guess.
14 Harle. Eh. 3HKOs, stats aren’t too special overall, and 2 random statuses would be nicer on a attack that wasn’t turn 2/was repeatable/didn’t use 2 CC statuses (Because only Sleep and Freeze have general utility, and Confuse occasionally)
15 Katt. This works. Doesn’t have as many tricks as Meru, but doesn’t have that 50% Pdur or Fire weakness. Durability holds her down though.
16 Meru. Her Pdur is completely atrocious, and while her Mdur is above average, Fire weakness isn’t too helpful there.

Light
1 Rude. Is badass in Light, and yet will likely languish there forever. Granted, thought the same thing about Lani.
2 Taya. Really awesome…as long as she doesn’t need to take two physicals. 115% Speed+80% Damage means she rarely does in Light, and isn’t too often OHKOed, although there are a few physicallers with the speed or damage to beat her.
3 Melody. Excellent at tanking in Light.
4 Sten. Eh, 3HKO Wind magic off good speed, 4HKO physical, and some elemental spoiling.
5 Pikachu. Is lucky that a good chunk of Light fighters just manage to miss that OHKO on him. Speed then helps a lot.
6 Le Blanc. Gut check. She can Silence and she can Blind, and then can halve the Blinded damage+Regen. Can be overrating everything about her since not solid on her durability or the Regen effectiveness of the status hit rates.
7 Palmer. The random elementalness will hold him back sometimes though.
8 Karn. Speed helps, also the Pdur might cost him a few matches.
9 Brey. This is falling on the middle respect level for the confusion.
10 Anri. Solid 2HKO, I guess. More spoilable, but around this level of fighting, that doesn’t feel as relevant.
11 Randi. 4HKO, but solid HP, and some equips.
12 Tai Ho. 3HKO, but bad HP and defense and slightly below average speed.
14 Genis. Slow 3HKO off 80% speed.
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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 12:36:15 AM »
Godlike:

1. Profound Darkness (PS4)
2. Jenna Angel (DDS)
3. Emelious de Pamela (G3)
4. Arecus (PKMN)
5. Fereydoon (WA5)
6. Dhaos (ToP)
7. Luther Lansfeld (SO3)
8. Wren (PS4)
9. Magus (CT)
10. Lulu (FFX)
11. Sir Leopold (DQ8)
12. Jessica Albert (DQ8)
13. Jecht (FFX)

Heavy:

1. Shizel (ToE)
2. Id (XG)
3. Bosch (BoF5)
4. Hiro (Lunar:EBC)
5. Donald Duck (KH)
6. Hugo (S3)
7. Suicune (PKMN)
8. Geddoe (S3)
9. Nina (BoF4)
10. Nel Zelpher (SO3)
11. Arngrim (VPs)
12. Albert Simon (SH1)
13. Cristo (DW4)
14. Edea Kramer (FF8)
15. Kary (FF1)

Middle:

1. Jude Maverick (WA4)
2. Nelis (S5)
3. Bowyer (SMRPG)
4. Ulf (G3)
5. Mitsuru Kirijo (P3)
6. Bowman Jean (SO2)
7. Charizard (PKMN)
8. Harle (CC)
9. Fiora (FE7)
10. Joachim Valentine (SH2)
11. Mua (S3)
12. Nergal (FE7)
13. Meru (LoD)
14. Frog (CT)
15. Katt (BoF2)

Light:

1. Melody  Vilente (WA3)
2. Rude (FF7)
3. Palmer (FF7)
4. Sten  (BoF2)
5. Russell Bergman (SRT:OG1)
6. Tai Ho (Suikos)
7. Pikachu (PKMN)
8. Brey (DW4)
9. Karn (BoF1)
10. LeBlanc (FFX-2)
11. Genis Sage (ToS)
12. Goofy (KH)
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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2008, 12:14:08 PM »
1 -Lulu (FFX)
2-Jecht (FFX)
3-Jessica Albert (DQ8)
4-Luther (SO3)
5-Magus (CT)
6-Sir Leopold (DQ8

Heavy

1 - Nel Zelpher - Don't respect her in game as much as some due to being too elementally reliant for my liking (don't like that in my damage dealers considering later bosses have a tendancy to resist elements and Whirlwind w/th the WW + attach passives like Stun glitch *is* her best damage) >.>)  but translates *immensely* well to the DL. Speed + healing + substantial damage + status - 100% ID in freeze + shatter kill. Poison Cloud - 100% POIZON!! >.> Being forced to turn based in the DL means skills like Mirror Slice/Divine Wrath won't knock down/away meaning she capatalises on the max damage potential of them due to not missing out on hits whilst the enemy is on the floor >.> Also her godawful recovery time (from being hit) doesn't apply in the DL either <.< Oh yeah! - she has status blockers too!
2- Nina (BoF4) Status immune!? How did I forget that!?
3 - Donald Duck (KH) Stop + Gravija - Yeah how did I forget about that! >.>
4- Suicune PKMN Tank!
5 - Angrim (VPs) 2HKO!?
6- Edea Kramer - Limit blocking sounds evil ... until you realise she could have just won with ID anyway <.<
7 - Albert Simon- HP 1 is still evil! That's it though. Yeah as Snow said not a lot to back that up. I was overhyping him before >.>

Middle
1-Jude Maverick (WA4) Stellar.
2 -Mitsuru Kirijo (P3) - Quality - but fire weakness =(
3-Meru (LoD) - Speed healing + blitzing make up for the PDUR woes
4-Bowman Jean (SO2) - PEEP!
5-Charizard (PKMN) - Solid. Faster than Joe too!
6-Joachim Valentine (SH2) - God awful speed nerfs his powerhouse game somewhat.
7-Harle (CC) - Eh she's not bad. Status, damage and support is solid. Just this is a tough pool.
8-Frog (CT) - Mediocrity!
9- Nelis (S5) - Yeah I never got the Nelis hype. Has failed to impress me yet~

Light:


1-Melody (WA3)
2-Rude (FF7)
3-Le Blanc (FFX-2)
4-Pikachu (PKMN)
5-Palmer (FF7)
6-Goofy (KH)

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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2008, 11:24:34 PM »
This is completely pointless~ (Heavy):

1. Suicune (PKMN)
2. Kary (FF1)
3. Cristo (DW4)
4. Edea Kramer (FF8)
--------------------------------------------- Tier ahahahahaha
5. Albert Simon (SH1) - Initiative HP-1 ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Go Banana! (Godlike):

1. Jenna Angel (DDS)
2. Profound Darkness (PS4)
3. Fereydoon (WA5)
4. Dhaos (ToP)
5. Arceus (PKMN)
6. Lulu (FFX)
---------------------------------- Tier Space Bees
7. Magus (CT)
8. Jessica Albert (DQ8)
9. Sir Leopold (DQ8)
10. Wren (PS4)
11. Avalon (LoL2)
12. Jecht (FFX) - THE BEST...loser that is~

Snow's standup comedy club (Middle):

1. Poco (AtLC)
2. Jude Maverick (WA4)
3. Fiora (FE7)
---------------------------------------- Tier Flux Capacitor
4. Mitsuru Kirijo (P3)
5. Charizard (PKMN)
6. Joachim Valentine (SH2)
7. Bowyer (SMRPG)
----------------------------------------- Tier Buzz Lightyear
8. Nergal (FE7) - nergal more like lolgal amirite
9. Katt (BoF2)
10. Frog (CT)

RUSSEL (Light):

1. Sten (BoF2) - STEN ON FIRE
2. Taya (SF2)
3. Rude (FF7)
4. Russell Bergman (SRT:OG1)
------------------------------ Lard Tier
5. Palmer (FF7) - Thank god someone told me he has 50% pevade, although I would have done this anyway~ (List is serious business)
6. Karn (BoF1)
7. Pikachu (PKMN)
8. Tai Ho (Suikos)
------------------------------- Xylophone Tier
9. Brey (DW4)
10. Melody Vilente (WA3) - Awesome if you don't block POIZN oh wait that's in every game ever.
11. Anri (SF1) - SHINING FORCE DEFENSE
12. Genis Sage (ToS) - Gets infinitely spellcanceled~! Super Puny~!

« Last Edit: October 11, 2008, 07:33:04 PM by Nitori »
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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2008, 02:37:23 AM »
Godlike:
1. Emelious de Pamela (G3) - Crazy damage off good speed. That's G3 bosses for you
2. Arecus (PKMN) - Versality of death. Also wtf stats. Only weakness? Status. Gets outplayed sometimes, but switching types gives him the ability to wall so many things, its not funny
3. Fereydoon (WA5) - Put him above Lulu, for one reason: Speed. His Super tech is decent. The weakness is not however. Solid damage otherwise and WA5 boss HP makes him durable enough to pull a couple off.
4. Lulu (FFX) - Speed holds her back. Lots of other things otherwise. Well maybe not raw HP.
5. Luther Lansfeld (SO3) - His limit phase is cool. But he kind of needs to not fail before limit phase
6. Jecht (FFX) - Har har

Heavy:
1. Donald Duck (KH) - See Snow. I forgot about what Donald could do in KH1. And yeah, Stop isn't resisted that often, which leads to some brutal fights with Gravija and then killing with staff beats. Then add healing and damage reducing barrier into the mix.
2. Nel Zelpher (SO3) - Elemental leather + Frozen daggers + healing + MP bust + status blockers. Pretty much it. Its a strong package however.
3. Suicune (PKMN) - Whee tanking
4. Arngrim (VPs) - Whee 2HKO + PWS of doom. Granted if his enemy doesn't die from said PWS, he's not seeing a second one.
5. Id (XG) - I would respect his evade a LOT more if it wasn't so easy to get around in game. He's pretty solid otherwise. Just the HP blows chunks. And unlike Jeremy, he's not getting a consecutive series of turns to seal things up.
6. Edea Kramer (FF8) - Uh...yeah. Death is all she's got. Not good enough.

Middle:
1. Jude Maverick (WA4) - The speed solves so many problems. Boosted ABs are not nice in middle where people usually lack one of the key categories to stop it cold.
2. Nelis - Mm...was kind of waffling on what she could do. But high 2HKO with Fire. Heal lock with a physical + S5 equips and above average speed is really brutal
3. Bowyer (SMRPG) - Farmel with the ability to attack. Some other differences? Well, Bowyer can stop all healing by sealing magic. He also has sleep. Against those that don't block it, it gets painful very quickly. 3HKO damage that's easily walled though. Think is physical was decent enough too. MDef saves some here.
4. Ulf (G3) - Shadow Warrior! And damage too! Never really sure what my stance on FP is, but think he's around here anyway. Seems a little one dimensional and if the enemy blocks fire, he runs into some trouble.
5. Fiora (FE7) - Generally solid FEer. Mage tanking + counters
6. Mitsuru Kirijo (P3) - Argh Fire weakness. It shows here, since out of the 9 I can vote, 3 of them have it. The healing + damage is good. Mind charge is good. The status freaking sucks. Mitsuru IS a high middle though; this pool is just nasty.
7. Nergal (FE7) - The speed BURNS. The durability also not that good. 2HKO with counters is cool though
8. Charizard (PKMN) - Not too bad, but everyone else here is just better. Needs to be more Infernape like with more options and speed really.
9. Harle (CC) - Uh yeah. Competent CC in this field is still fodder.

Light:
1. Rude (FF7) - Solid! Never really thought Rude was too bad. Melody gives a run for this spot. Think I respect Rude slightly more
2. Melody  Vilente (WA3) - Yep. Helps WA3 Poison doesn't fail. And the barrier is just a problem for so many lights.
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3. Palmer (FF7) - Evade! Taunts you with his ass. 10 shots of 4HKO damage! Yeah, Palmer kind of fails it up, but he's better than everyone else below him. THIS SAYS SOMETHING
4. Pikachu (PKMN) - Pika would be genuinely better if his durability wasn't so garbage. As is, he can't make use of the evade game (PALMER STARTS WITH) and getting that speed game up probably kills him. At least he has damage. Which beats...
5. Goofy (KH) - This guy. God is Goofy awful. His biggest strength in game (MP Gift so Sora can spam specials) doesn't translate at all, and none of his other abilities alone are noteworthy. The elemental weaknesses are just ASS on top of it. Then you throw in average speed + status bait. Profit?!
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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2008, 09:12:00 AM »
Godlike:
Heavy:
Middle:

Insufficient characters.

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Russell Bergman (SRT:OG1)
Karn (BoF1)
Tai Ho (Suikos)
Genis Sage (ToS)
Sten  (BoF2)
Pikachu (PKMN)
Rude (FF7)
Palmer (FF7)

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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2008, 02:38:48 PM »
Isn't Maelstrom Curse (no limits?) Unless people only see it working on FF8 PCs or something >.> I see it as preventing any dueller with any type of limit/s from accessing such.

That said I too forgot exactly what Donald Duck was capable of >.> Changing list~

Apparently both Nina and Donald are far better than I remember - buuut I have great respect for boss HP + status resist as well. Plus HP 1 isn't the only thing Albert has =/ This field is psyducks~
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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2008, 04:52:56 PM »
There aren't too many characters reliant on limits in the DL (and some of the few that do can just be IDed), so Maelstrom's effect doesn't come up very much. Might net her a win against some FF7 PCs or something, though. Depends how you see her damage and durability.

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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2008, 05:42:13 PM »
Apparently both Nina and Donald are far better than I remember - buuut I have great respect for boss HP + status resist as well. Plus HP 1 isn't the only thing Albert has =/ This field is psyducks~

HP-1 is the only thing Albert has that he can actually apply without getting his ass bitten on average. Even if you respect boss HP (and Albert isn't one of the gods in that regard, he gets 5HKOed in-game by SR Yuri solo, and I see no reason to not take that against Albert. If you don't take SR against him, hooray, he gains 0.2 PC HP or something because the averages were on the high side as is, hovering on the low 600s at worst, and that's eyeballing DL-legal numbers. In-game damage is higher, you can twink offense stats more and you have Mind's Eye if you're so inclined). The first form is even worse due to having even less PC-killing and speed off similar damage and durability, you have to keep in mind that his damage gets owned by healers, and 100% odds of a random status on a physical attack sounds neat until you realize the majority of the status it inflicts is crap (A BUNCH OF RING STATUS? POIZN? Winner), and he can't control which of them he will inflict - not to mention the attack is evadable. Trying for that hax tends to just get him blown up on the long run, and he may as well not bother unless his opponent is Cristo (who he -does- beat due to the random status, but Cristo is pretty special in the damage department).
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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2008, 01:16:50 AM »
Godlike:

1. Jenna Angel (DDS): Unavoidable overkill times two's hard to deal with.
2. Profound Darkness (PS4): Really damn good slugger.
3. Emelious de Pamela (G3): A bit too physically reliant.
4. Avalon (LoL2): Not as good a slugger as the above, but the decentness at it + the status keeps him this high.
5. Arceus (PKMN): Best PC here.
6. Fereydoon (WA5): Solid slugger with ID, but that's it.
7. Luther Lansfeld (SO3): Here begin the people I'm not too impressed on in Godlike, not that any are bad. Speeeeed.
8. Magus (CT): Barriers.
9. Ash Lambert (VH): Tankishness and counters.
10. Jessica Albert (DQ8): Speed and fire overkill.
11. Lulu (FFX): NE overkill, but where's the speed? Healing game helps, at least.
12. Sir Leopold (DQ8): Okay borderliner boss.
13. Wren (PS4): Okay borderliner PC.
14. Jecht (FFX): Good Heavy.

Heavy:

1. Kary (FF1): FF1o.
2. Hugo (S3): Has most everything, with evade spoiling to make his healing game even better.
3. Nel Zelpher (SO3): See Nina, except she's not quite status immune. On the other hand... healing lasts longer and she has high damage and status.
4. Bosch (BoF5): Near-OHKO damage, acceptably durable boss.
5. Nina (BoF4): Status immunity and speed healing's nice.
6. Hiro (Lunar:EBC): Concussion Sword's a nice option to his game.
7. Suicune (PKMN): Well, he's... really tanky.
8. Id (XG): Auron-bait.
9. Albert Simon (SH1): Maybe about here?
10. Cristo (DW4): I dunno.
11. Arngrim (VPs): Kinda underwhelming, but not bad.
12. Geddoe (S3): Gah worst DL element.
13. Edea Kramer (FF8): Has Death.

Middle:

1. Jude Maverick (WA4): I'd buy him up here.
2. Nelis (S5): 90% of a OHKO and good stats everywhere.
3. Ulf (G3): Shadow Warrior and 2HKO damage and speed.
4. Bowyer (SMRPG): Durable, sleep, lightning. Don't respect the spoiling much, but he doesn't need it.
5. Meru (LoD): The hate never did make sense.
6. Fiora (FE7): Solid FEer.
7. Charizard (PKMN): Speed/damage/some tricks.
8. Harle (CC): Status.
9. Bowman Jean (SO2): Decent.
10. Mua (S3): Tanky.
11. Joachim Valentine (SH2): ID and SH blockers.
12. Frog (CT): Status immunity?
13. Katt (BoF2): Guess she can kinda slug.
14. Nergal (FE7): Only about 0.7 PCHP to me after defences, so anyone with average damage takes him out. Status immunity kinda helps, but he's really an odd Karin variant, and missing ID sucks.

Light:

1. Melody  Vilente (WA3)
2. Pikachu (PKMN): Y'know what? Yeah, midgame Pikachu makes sense if I'm not voting on a form with Light Ball. Yellow kinda argues with me here, but eh.
3. Taya (SF2)
4. Sten  (BoF2): Fast and hits both defences > most of this pool.
5. Anri (SF1)
6. Russell Bergman (SRT:OG1)
7. Karn (BoF1)
8. Rude (FF7)
9. Brey (DW4)
10. Randi (SoM)
11. Tai Ho (Suikos)
12. Palmer (FF7)

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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2008, 02:38:00 AM »
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10. Bowman Jean (SO2) - The lag after Sakura Attack isn't pretty, quite honestly, and his alternative is wallable. Otherwise, just a typical run-of-the-mill SO2 2HKOing Middle. He's well above the losers in this pool, though.

Topic doesn't list explosion pills (For... some reason. Nyet to poison pills). That+Sakura is a pretty good way to lock down most Middle fighters, and explosion's not slow. Having the option to twink for HP is always nice, as is the option to wall ID/light/earth.  ICed armor of course helps, but even ignoring the magic rasp stuff all the ICable armor is 100% storebought and isn't hard to create, just requires using skills. I can't really see that as illegal.  That adds some elemental spoiling, which is always nice.

Edit: I would argue Explosion pills ignore melee counters as well, since it's one of the few GT physicals in the game. This is kind of a problem for Ashton who relies almost entirely on hurricane slash in the DL.
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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2008, 03:00:51 AM »
Hmmm, fair point. Guess it should eke him ahead of Meru, at least. Maybe Charizard, since I'm never too sold on Char's power.
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2008, 05:25:43 PM »
Snow, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Avalon's damage halving in the second form extend to magic as well as physicals?

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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2008, 05:39:56 PM »
I'd have to refight the form to see. I only used Variable/Hyper/Mystic Arts on him, and Variable/Mystic Arts being non-typed... regardless, wouldn't change where I see him on the list, but would let him beat the likes of Tir, yeah.
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Re: List topic reborn: Round 1, Week 4
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2008, 06:03:37 PM »
Yes, his damage halving covers everything, IIRC.

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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2008, 02:41:15 AM »
Godlike:

1. Jenna Angel (DDS): Lots of death. Legal formchain into her second form apparently? blah.
2. Emelious de Pamela (G3): Perfect evade move, lots and lots of damage off of a very healthy amount of speed.
3. Profound Darkness (PS4): Rar durable.
4. Dhaos (ToP): Lots of spoiling.
5. Fereydoon (WA5): Good speed and damage.
6. Avalon (LoL2): The PC killing is pretty strong. The slugfesting is NOT.
7. Lulu (FFX): Call me crazy but the whole package just works too damned well together.
8. Wren (PS4): Generally good stuff. Durable, lots of healing, and status immunity. That is big.
9. Luther Lansfeld (SO3): Damage hype or something.
10. Sir Leopold (DQ8): I guess he can put on enough pressure.
11. Jecht (FFX): Just a generic boss, really.
12. Ash Lambert (VH): I'm averaging my "vandalier" and "no vandalier" tendencies today.
13. Jessica Albert (DQ8): She needed healing so badly. She'd be so set if she had healing...
14. Magus (CT): Magus.

Heavy:

1. Id (XG): I'll buy Dhyer hype.
2. Nina (BoF4): So very hard to put down.
3. Donald Duck (KH): Also hard to put down! Less so however thanks to status existing.
4. Kary (FF1): Brutal slugger with a smidget of PC killing, I should say.
5. Shizel (ToE): Generic final boss type, with less damage than you would expect but still has a PC killer gimmick.
6. Fogel (OB): I think he's good enough for this.
7. Hugo (S3): Versatile.
8. Hiro (Lunar:EBC): Hits hard and hits fast. Hard to go wrong there. Has a bit of ID too.
9. Arngrim (VPs): I think the HP can put him here? I might be overrating him but he is good.
10. Geddoe (S3): He's awesome, but Lightning is just so commonly resisted. I could be underselling him.
11. Nel Zelpher (SO3): Just all-around good. But without Heavy-calibur damage? Bleh. This field is good as a whole.
12. Albert Simon (SH1): Meh. He tanks it to healers too easily I think.
13. Bosch (BoF5): Much mehness here.
14. Edea Kramer (FF8): Maybe I'm just forgetting what she did for the most part? She had some turn 2 ID?

More later. Sleepy now.

Middle:

Nergal (FE7)
Bowman Jean (SO2)
Jude Maverick (WA4)
Nelis (S5)
Bowyer (SMRPG)
Poco (AtLC)
Harle (CC)
Charizard (PKMN)
Fiora (FE7)
Ulf (G3)
Mitsuru Kirijo (P3)
Frog (CT)
Mua (S3)
Joachim Valentine (SH2)
Katt (BoF2)
Meru (LoD)

Light:

Russell Bergman (SRT:OG1)
Goofy (KH)
Tai Ho (Suikos)
Sten  (BoF2)
Pikachu (PKMN)
Taya (SF2)
Melody  Vilente (WA3)
Brey (DW4)
Palmer (FF7)
LeBlanc (FFX-2)
Wilme (7S)
Rude (FF7)
Randi (SoM)
Anri (SF1)
Karn (BoF1)
Genis Sage (ToS)