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Rantology 101
« on: October 10, 2008, 07:29:26 AM »
Alright.  I don't want to hijack the Politics thread (ahahahaha even more I mean) with blatant ranting and I need rant space like I had on the old forums.

I sit here working at my large mutlinational corporate employer as I take my missed break from earlier in the day and listen to the news.  All I can hear is the crash of our stockmarket.

What can I do but wonder where the fuck did my beloved socialism go so horribly wrong.  I am listening here as an entirely virtual concept of currency in our region is completely and totally fucking over many people's futures as they lose money they did actually have at one point because some fuck skulls half way around the world couldn't handle money they didn't fucking even have by lending it to other people who are getting equally screwed over who also didn't have the money.

Thats right, I sit here and watch the Australian share market crash in response to the US collapse (while I slave away like the corporate whore that I have become, nothing like my socilist or cynical political humorist idols) and all I can think of is the number of regular people here that are getting fucked out of their retirement.  Because some OTHER fuck skulls have the bright idea of eliminating social welfare for the elderly by legally enforcing people to use Superannuation schemes to increase their retirement funds, get this, by investing it.  OH WHOOPS, market crashed, everyone is fucked.  Couple it with the current news story of pensioners current pension isn't keeping up with inflation, and there was just the nod to how the collapse is going to increase the demand for pension as well as more and mroe people can't afford it because they were fucked.

Why the fuck do I put up with this consumer capitalist shit?  Because I enjoy consuming to much.  Hypocrisy is the greatest justification for everything.  Especially if you are a post modern art fag like myself who is vain enough to consider his own life as a kind of performance art.  Watch the Socialist Consumer binge and purge on idealism.

Fuck everything.

Edit - To add another layer of post modern artfag to it, I place the blame on this rant entirely on the fact that I am reading Transmetropolitan at the moment which is a blatant homage to Hunter S Thompson who fits neatly between the Socialists and cynical satirists that I love, who's works I have never read and only even know exists by people copying his style out of love for it.
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Re: Rantology 101
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2008, 12:25:40 PM »
Alright, now to move on to bigger and better things.

Freddie Mercury is the human being everyone should be.  No matter what you think of Arena Rock (some of it is really really bad), Freddie is the perfect example of what people should be.  He is a highly talented individual with goals he aimed for and reached, pleasures that he can indulge in at every step of the way.  Success AND fun.  The perfect balanced human being.  Also Bohemian Rhapsody is the best thing in existence.  If nothing else at least for men he is the beacon of masculinity that everyone should be emulating.

Oh sure he had sex with men, but so what, aside from the obvious there is nothing more stereotypically masculine than doing just that, if you want to be a disgusting stereotype of a man, well he could fuck anything and like it.  That is win win right there.  If you are going to be a "Manly man" then you better be a bisexual rockstar.  On the other far better side of that without divulging into disgusting stereotypes, he was a man who found something he took pleasure in (sex) and had acquired a position where he could partake of it in any fashion he wanted at almost any fashion.  Sure it probably ultimately lead to his death, but that should also be the ultimate goal.  Die doing what you love.  For Freddie it was fucking. 

So this brings me to my ultimate plan for what I am going to assume is how I die.  I will be ranting as to why the consumer society has failed while I fly around on a giant space whale entering newly purchased and Terraformed Mars' atmopshere while some kind of Blues Avant Garde Metal is playing  where I am decapitated in a freak Novel accident as the Grand Theory of Combined Physics and Philosophy: Combining Foucault and Einstein flies off a bookshelf and collides with my neck as it approaches light speed, just before it phases out of existence as it reaches lightspeed being the first object to have done so in the known galaxy.
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Re: Rantology 101
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2008, 12:53:26 PM »
Fun addition to contemplate.  Out of all the people I consider my idols, off the top of my head only one of them is still alive and this is including people that have died within my life time prematurely.  While society is getting it wrong, why is it that all the people I admire seem to be going about existing incorrectly?
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Re: Rantology 101
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2008, 03:58:44 PM »
Because they die before they can live long enough to be lowered in your expectations.  JFK holds the record for president with the lowest disapproval rating.  Never dipped below 58%.  How would history have treated him had he survived?  Now think how people would remember Ralph Nader if he'd kicked the bucket in 1999.
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Re: Rantology 101
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2008, 05:43:55 PM »
Dunno--one of my big idols in the game industry died prematurely, but only after a huge fall from grace.

Namely, Gunpei Yokoi:
*Invented the D-Pad
*Helped create the NES
*Created Metroid, Kid Icarus, Famicom Wars (predecessor to Advance Wars), and Fire Emblem
*Created the Gameboy
Then fell from grace...
*Created the Virtual Boy
*Resigned from Nintendo in dishonour
*Made the wonderswan
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*Randomly died in a traffic accident.


Then again, Ralph Baer (created and shipped the first console 3 years before PONG--including all sorts of firsts like a Light gun and swappable cartridges) is still alive--I actually saw him speak!


I mean, I guess if I idolized any of the Quake developers then I'd be feeling pretty dejected right now (half of them have games with their name prominently on the front cover...like "John Romero's Daikatana", and all these games appear to suck).  Good thing I don't idolize them.

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Re: Rantology 101
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2008, 06:20:41 PM »
Grefter, if you really like consumerism, why not eliminate the hypocrisy and embrace consumerism? If your pretensions don't agree with your actions, eliminate one or the other.

EDIT - I guess what I'm saying is that maybe you should get over the hubris and the post modern crap?
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Re: Rantology 101
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2008, 06:34:28 PM »
In other words, if your actions and basic desires don't match up with your ideals, change your ideals.  That's a fucking brilliant philosophy toward life right there.

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Re: Rantology 101
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2008, 06:54:22 PM »
To be fair to Dune, he did suggest a course of inaction as well.  Just, it seemed to be a bit more of an afterthought.

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Re: Rantology 101
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2008, 06:56:21 PM »
In other words, if your actions and basic desires don't match up with your ideals, change your ideals.  That's a fucking brilliant philosophy toward life right there.

Or change your actions to match up with your ideals, if you reject that. What I'm saying is that it's pointless to have ideas and actions that are in direct conflict of each other. It's nothing but a recipe to unhappiness; one or the other needs to change.
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Re: Rantology 101
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2008, 10:05:11 PM »
Gref, I've half-written a number of responses to your first post, but they focused too much on the issues at hand, why socialism fucked up, how you could be a better person, etc.  So I'll say this instead.

As for why you put up with capitalist bullshit, the answer is simple.  You're a shitty nihilist and a shitty socialist.  Get off the fence, man.
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Re: Rantology 101
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2008, 10:47:14 PM »
Freddie Mercury is the human being everyone should be. 

Dead?  Yeah, can't argue with that.

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2008, 01:26:36 AM »
Haha, fun times.

Lets start on the responses to the last one.  My idols tend to vary on how much people approve of them, from Lenin to Derrida, Lenin and Marx have the obvious flaws, Derrida has his theories maligned by people that are not thoroughly entrenched in Post Modernism, but as a scholar he was fairly undeniabley great and is one of the few that actually didn't die prematurely (I think the biggest beef people could have with him is that a guy he didn't know as well as he thought he did was a bit dodgey and Derrida supported him while only really hearing his side of the story because he was on another continent at the time).  So no, I wouldn't put it down too much to declining approval over time (Although I imagine Bill Hicks would have been a lot more unpopular if he didn't die).

Now on to the conflicting ideals with life style, well there is a happy medium to the socialist propaganda I put forward and the consumer society I indulge upon.  It comes back to the socialist democracy that I usually put forward when I am arguing honestly and stripping out the humor.  You can still have consumers and an economy, it is just far more in the control of the government than a more pure free market capitalist system that we exist in these days.  It has the whole "Big Government" thing that seems to get shit kicked in the states though, so yeah milage will vary.  I put forward everything the way I do in the name of some kind of perverse humor.

And how exactly are you supposed to practice a socialist lifestyle in a communist system exactly?  Outside of cutting yourself off entirely from the system and becoming a hermit that lives in the middle of nowhere growing your own foods (which is far more anarchist than socialist, since you know, socialist relies on the government network).  Only other option is to go into politics.  Otherwise, you just live how you can and effect the system in the way you can, how I vote, which companies I buy things from, the arts I enjoy, the discussions I have with my peers.  They can all be part of actually living the lifestyle that aligns to my ideals.  Because they are ideals that generally are impossible to align with society, to change ideals to how I have to exist would be to let the majority dictate my beliefs, that would be the single biggest lie I could make to myself and would be a betrayal of my ultimate goals in life (came up in the Politics thread.  Aim towards Self Actualisation, to do that you need intellectual honesty at least with yourself).  I mean what is the point of ideals if you just shift them to be accepting of the lot you have now when you know for a fact that they are flawed and an ultimately bad direction for society?  No, I am not that cynical or jaded yet.

I think most of the people that attended DL Cons (I would hope anyway) can attest to the fact that in reality I am not nearly as angry or depressed as I put forward online.  Online it is for the laughs and is usually hyper exaggerated because I stick to the topics that make me feel the need to say something, where if I am having a good time I am just kind of cruising and partaking in the event.

And Jim, dude, Nihilism and Socialism do not have to be seperate things.  Nihilism shouldn't be about living in the moment and letting everything crash and burn, that is a flawed approach to it taken up by teens who know nothing of real philosophy.  It should be a celebration of human achievement (much like any good Atheist movement), where there is no ultimate reason for existence or reality we should construct one ourselves, in this case it is aiming for a utopian ideal at the end of Socialism (or something akin to it).  I like to think I am quite good at the Nihilism at this point, I am both improving my own life as best I can while aiming to improve it for everyone.
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2008, 06:30:15 AM »
A lot of people need to understand that investments aren't 100% solid. This statement isn't supporting the decreasing 401ks for people, or stocks they put their life in so they can retire and live somewhat comfortably, but investments are just that. Since I'm no where near the age of retirement, I was more concerned about my mother's AFAS retirement plan to make sure she was protected, and I am much, much more worred about deflation. There's signs everywhere: gas prices dropping, foreclosures everywhere raising neighborhood property taxes double or even triple the times, bank loan pieces spread throughout the entire world, unemployment funds in pretty big ass states drying up, global warming, and the stress it can cause on people. I also never really supported this bailout plan; I'm waiting to see these projected changes around Q2 to wait to see if I can say "I told ya so."

Deflation. Inflation - sure, that can be easily dealt with. Deflation? Ha. . . . Goodbye dollar, hello collar.

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2008, 07:00:06 AM »
It isn't that people are investing for their retirement and are getting screwed is what bothers me.  It is that a portion of our income is taken by the government and THEN invested on our behalf for us by third party (contracted non-government owned) companies to help create money for our retirement.  Enforced as part of the program to off set the need to ahve so many people on the pension.
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2008, 02:04:33 PM »
In other words, if your actions and basic desires don't match up with your ideals, change your ideals.  That's a fucking brilliant philosophy toward life right there.

Or change your actions to match up with your ideals, if you reject that. What I'm saying is that it's pointless to have ideas and actions that are in direct conflict of each other. It's nothing but a recipe to unhappiness; one or the other needs to change.

Fair enough; I just took issue at the way you phrased it at first, which came off more as "if your ideals don't match up with your actions then change your ideals damn it!" but that might have just been me.  I do largely agree, though, and it seems like Grefter does--aim for self actualization, and strive for the ideals.  Unfortunately 9 times out of ten that won't happen for various reasons, either external (societal) or internal (you just sucking).
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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2008, 03:17:21 PM »
It isn't that people are investing for their retirement and are getting screwed is what bothers me.  It is that a portion of our income is taken by the government and THEN invested on our behalf for us by third party (contracted non-government owned) companies to help create money for our retirement.  Enforced as part of the program to off set the need to ahve so many people on the pension.

I don't think I really think I know exactly what you're targeting? Taxes on income for various. . . programs? 401k is a deferment plan  . . .

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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2008, 10:12:07 PM »
I have no idea what 401k plans are, I am not from the states if that wasn't clearly apparent with the issue being with people on the other side of the world being the ones fucking us.  Supper Annuation stuff here in Australia isn't optional.  You can choose to pay extra, but you can't have nothing in it.
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2008, 05:44:50 PM »
You're right. I didn't know. Now I do.

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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2008, 10:05:50 PM »
Yeah, that wasn't meant to be attacking, just saying.
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2008, 06:49:36 PM »
On a new note, I'm frustrated that the media is inflating this "voters discriminating and voting on the basis of race" in regards to Obama. It's obviously sensationalizing on their part, but if it were Hilary Clinton in the same position, I just speculate sometimes if people would be complaining or harping on the fact that a majority of voters would rally behind her "just because she's a woman." The way media picks and chooses their topics is so frustrating sometimes. I didn't even read the article. If America didn't understand the pressure or influence of the Black vote, along with the greatly increasing Hispanic/Latino vote, and woman vote, then they're just fucking blind and stupid.

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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2008, 12:28:40 AM »
The way media picks and chooses their topics is so frustrating sometimes.

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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2009, 09:20:05 AM »
Resurrection of old because I am to lazy to make new when I have holes for babbling already established.

There is these pictures I see from time to time.  Anyone who has looked at a lot of pictures has seen pictures like this before.

It features a woman with her eyes close.  Her head tilted back and mouth wide open in wait.  She has her hands either pressed against her chest, clutching to her dress tightly.  Sometimes she is running her hands through her hair.  There is a big smile on her wide gaping open mouth.

Fairly classic shot.

This is advertising I am talking about.  Not pornography. 

This is advertising for a sparkling white wine.

This wine is called Yellow by Yellowglen

The wine as all whites tend to be has more than a slight hint of Yellow to it and that would be the signature here.

Classy Advertising.  Capitalism really has gone far.  It really isn't just about slapping a set of tits on things anymore to sell it.
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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2009, 09:46:27 AM »
Are you implying that a white wine ad is based upon golden showers? Cause I already don't like wine (I need something that comes on like a flying two-legged kick if I'm gonna even consider drinking it) and that makes me like it even less.

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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2009, 09:50:13 AM »
I am implying nothing.  This is totally what the add looks like.

Edit - I will try and find one of the ads.  It could be worse, there is no wine being poured anywhere or anything.
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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2009, 07:36:01 AM »
Doesn't matter. I would only drink wine what comes in a can anyway.