Nomic - Turn Twenty Eight (tai sez: omnomnom)

[EvilTom]

316. Addition to voting phase: the player proposing the rule (proposing player) change secretly picks a 'tactic' of either scissors, paper or rock. This choice is to be submitted to the game moderator along with the vote, and not read by the moderator until tallying. When a voter makes a vote during the voting phase, they may assign either scissors, paper or rock to that vote.
If the voter defeats the proposal's alignment, their vote is tripled. If there is a draw, the vote proceeds as normal. If the voter is defeated by the proposal, the voter's vote fails entirely and is not counted. A fail carries all the regular penalties for failing to vote in any given round.
A voter may choose not to play the tactic, and this rule does not apply to them.
Every time the proposing player defeats a vote, the proposal player gains 2 points (per vote defeated). For example, if a proposing player chooses scissors and a voter votes 3 times paper, the proposer gains 6 points.
If a voter is able to submit more than one vote, they may submit them under any tactic. For example, a player with three votes can submit one vote scissors, one paper and one rock.
The proposing player cannot state or hint what tactic he's using to others, at pain of instantly losing the game.
All participants are subject to this rule.
The proposal player may not play tactics against himself.

How's that? I've incorporated everyone's suggestions.

[Carthrat]

To expand on what Alex just said, basically, there should be different, not universal outcomes if you win via paper/scissors/rock. (These should probably be on the voters side.)

The outcomes need not be comparable in terms of merit. Even something like 'if you win with rock, your vote counts double; if you win with scissors, your vote counts six times as much' would be neater.

[EvilTom]

Major changes, btw, were: Tactics game no longer compulsory, wording fixed, proposing player cannot play the tactics game.

Hmm, I like the sounds of this, but it would be good to get more opinions.

We have 3 options, R, P & S.
vote x ?  = one option
I like the idea of BOOST POWER! If you win on this round, your votes are worth double next round.

So maybe Rock = x3 on this round (or another number, whatever is balanced)
Scissors = BOOST POWER next round
Paper = ...? Any more ideas?

[Carthrat]

Oh, and if we do it this way, people should only be able to pick one of rock/paper/scissors each round instead of splitting it between votes.

I will come up with some win/loss ideas later, must run.

[Hunter Sopko]

I'm for the ability to choose it or not, against the idea that winning with different things can do different things. It's going a bit far. Agreeing with Rat for being able to choose only one tactic. Splitting it between votes is kinda meh.

The crutch of this proposal also makes us trust Rat not to read the tactic before the vote. Can we really trust Rat? Really?

[Carthrat]

I don't break rules. :V

[EvilTom]

Can we really trust Rat? Really?

Yes
 

[Carthrat]

I think one item should deal with gaining points, one should deal with multiplying votes, and one should deal with... something else. Maybe getting an extra turn, or losing your next turn, or something like that.

[Kilgamayan]

The crutch of this proposal also makes us trust Rat not to read the tactic before the vote. Can we really trust Rat? Really?

If you're that worried about it, appoint a non-player to the position of "Tactic Collector" or some such and have the stuff sent to them instead.

Though this could slow down the game.

[Yakumo]

I kinda feel like randomness like this kinda doesn't fit the point of the game, but then, neither does audience participation.  The thing it, as it stands it's still boring.  Also I don't really support making winning with different symbols do different things unless those things are essentially equal in worth, otherwise you'll make things too predictable since there will be people who won't want to let other players get the good stuff.

Also, given the near total absence of VSM and occasionally other players, would I be amiss in suggesting that someone puts in a rule making participation in this thread beyond just voting mandatory for players somehow?

[Carthrat]

I'd vote for a sensible mandatory participation rule. I just don't know how to write one that doesn't leave an easy way out.

[Carthrat]

Also I don't really support making winning with different symbols do different things unless those things are essentially equal in worth, otherwise you'll make things too predictable since there will be people who won't want to let other players get the good stuff.

Which means they'll be more obvious with their selections. Disparity is good, imho, since you can't just pick the same thing every time unless you want to definately concede an advantage.

[Veryslightlymad]

I speak when I have something to say. Usually it's a snide remark.

[Carthrat]

That's why nobody likes you.

[Bardiche]

I can't trust Rat.

I propose the following:

Proposal 3xx: Carthrat will be lynched.

DO IT.

[Carthrat]

We already decided this game wasn't mafia!

[Dunefar]

Lynching Carthrat is a noble goal, however.

[Bardiche]

Proposal 3xx: For the purposes of this proposal, consider all votes for this proposal and this proposal only as Mafia lynching votes as well. Carthrat will be lynched, and as per all Mafia rules will be further discluded from participating in this game in any shape or form, barring his duties as (un)official game moderator.

[Carthrat]

I can't even talk to anyone about the game, then.

[Bardiche]

Sucks to be you. Be happy I'm not a player and have no Proposal powers.

[Carthrat]

Eh, you'd just lose a bunch of points >_>

[Dunefar]

Are you so sure, Rat?

[Carthrat]

Pretty much yes.

[Bardiche]

Y'know, there's no rule against Rat tampering with the vote results.

[Carthrat]

I'm not lame.