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Suikoden 4 (Relevant PCs/Bosses)
« on: December 26, 2007, 05:16:32 AM »
Yes, I actually bothered to make a stat topic for this, and this early too <_<

Anyway, no, NOT all 54 some odd PCs are here. I only included those who would be worth ranking, except for maybe a few here and there cause I just plain forgot, but most are there.
What I deem rankable, due to the size of the cast, is this:
Any plot relevant PC. Typically, being an unavoidable star means this, though, characters like Snowe who CAN be missed but are somewhat relevant to the plot still deserved to be noticed.
Characters who just have some interesting dueling potential. Basically, these aren't very plot relevant PCs, but they don't do much harm being ranked, since they aren't filler, and actually bring something to the table. Best example here would be Ted...well, no, he has plot relevance in a different Suikoden game, BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT!
Lastly, I put Viki and Jeane in there only cause they are Suikoden veterans. In Viki's case, she's already ranked, so it can't do any harm adding another form to the table. Jeane's case? Well, she's not ranked, but she FINALLY gets a PC form, and well, its not total trash either, and I'm sure some people are curious and such.

Characters are assumed level 55, which is standard for a Suikoden end game level, and also is the break point for when levels start slowing down against final dungeon enemies. That, and its a decent enough round number. All of them are assumed to have level 16 weapons. Some characters I did just guess on their weapons based on what they used, so those might be a bit off, but overall, it works.
Runes...due to the fact that I can't seem to find the Rune Affinity list I once saw at Suikosource, and that they didn't say what the numbers mean anyway (besides higher = better), I'm just going to list base damages. Also doing this cause magic testing = pain in the ass final dungeon, not only cause of random variance, but cause half the enemies are weak to magic there. Later update will get more exact values. Healing, mind, I did actually test, and gave a rough estimate.
Speaking of Runes, as usual, only starting and/or Runes from forced plot events are allowed (the usual True Rune, for example) Nothing new for a Suikoden game.
Characters are given all their best store bought equips. As usual, the game isn't much on the idea of uniqueness in equips, so basically, legal = Store bought or initial (and most initial equips suck) Mind, there is one unique accessory, but its already listed, so don't worry about it.

Physical damage taken against enemy who has 30 defense. Most enemies in the final dungeon seem to fall somewhere around there, so I just used it.

lastly, this is just a preliminary post to get all this stuff down. I plan on testing critical hit rates, and such, and perhaps getting the OTHER PCs at some other time. So yeah, stuff is left out.

Stat Description time, I guess...
HP: Lose this, you die.
MP: Spell slots, like all suikoden games. Goes in order of level 1/level 2/level 3/ level 4
STR: This + Weapon power = Attack
SKL: Accuracy. Higher this is, better you are at overcoming evade
MAG: Base power for magic damage. Also factors in for gaining Spell Slots
EVA: Evade rate. higher this is, better you are at dodging physicals
PDF: Base defense. Defense before factoring in equips.
MDF: Magic defense. Higher this is, less you take from magic.
SPD: How fast you are. higher this is, better chance you go first
LUC: Random stuff. I think it may actually affect critical hit rates for once (I noticed Reinbach III got a lot more critical than, say, Snowe, who barely got any), but unsure.
Attack: STR + Weapon Power
Defense: PDF + Equipment

Like all Suikoden's, 120 =~ Average growth, so if you have a stat around there, it means your growth is averagish. Remember, stat growth is a bit random, so RNG raping MAY have a occurred.

Anyway...onto the stats!

Lazlo:
HP: 460
MP: 8/4/2/1
STR: 128
SKL: 118
MAG: 126
EVA: 140
PDF: 106
MDF: 92
SPD: 125
LUC: 72

Equips:
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

Attack: 383
Defense: 234

Physical: 353

Runes:
Rune of Punishment:
Level 1 - Eternal Ordeal: 450 damage
Level 2 - Double Edged Sword: 225 damage, MT
Level 3 - Voice of Death: Instant Death, fairly accurate (no exact numbers yet)
Level 4 - Everlasting Mercy: 750 damage, fully heals allies (not including the Hero)

Kika:
HP: 387
MP: 5/2/1/0
STR: 89
SKL: 178
MAG: 71
EVA: 159
PDF: 109
MDF: 107
SPD: 138
LUC: 92

Equips:
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

Attack: 334
Defense: 228

Physical: 304

Runes:
Falchon Rune: 912, Unevadable

Ted:
HP: 391
MP: 9/7/4/2
STR: 87
SKL: 138
MAG: 181
EVA: 123
PDF: 57
MDF: 147 (148)
SPD: 136 (146 w/ Tai Chi Garb)
LUC: 87 (97)

Equips:
Silk Hat
Silk Robe (Tai Chi Garb)
Gold Bracers
Silk Shoes

Attack: 332
Defense: 131 (121)

Physical: 302

Runes:
Soul Eater:
Level 1 - Finger of Death: 225 damage, heals Ted for damage done
Level 2 - Black Shadow: 450 damage
Level 3 - Hades: 225 damage, heals Ted for total damage done, MT
Level 4 - Judgement: 2250 damage

Water Rune:
Level 1 - Kindness Drops: Full Healing, recovers from all status
Level 2 - Breath of Ice: 100 damage
Level 3 - Kindness Rain: 300 Healing, MT
Level 4 - Silent Lake: Stops all Spell Charging

Maxine:
HP: 321
MP: 9/6/3/2
STR: 72
SKL: 174
MAG: 173
EVA: 71
PDF: 55
MDF: 153
SPD: 107 (117 w/ Tai Chi Garb)
LUC: 129 (139)

Equips:
Silk Hat
Silk Robe (Tai Chi Garb)
Wool Mitten
Gold Boots

Attack: 272
Defense: 125 (115)

Physical: 242

Runes:
Cyclone Rune:
Level 1 - Healing Wind: Full Healing, recovers from all status
Level 2 - The Shredding: 450 Wind elemental damage, MT
Level 3 - Funeral Winds: 450 Wind elemental damage, 25% Chance of Instant Death
Level 4 - Shining Winds: 750 Wind elemental damage, full healing to party

Fire Rune:
Level 1 - Flaming Arrows: 100 Fire elemental damage
Level 2 - Dancing Flames: 150 Fire Elemental damage
Level 3 - Blazing Wall: 300 Fire elemental damage
Level 4 - Explosion: 500 Fire Elemental damage

Paula:
HP: 392
MP: 9/5/3/1
STR: 92
SKL: 119
MAG: 140
EVA: 111
PDF: 72
MDF: 123
SPD: 125 (135 w/ Tai Chi Garb)
LUC: 108

Equips:
Silk Hat
Silk Robe (Tai Chi Garb)
Diamond Shield
Gold Boots

Attack: 322
Defense: 164 (154)

Physical: 292 damage

Runes:
Wind Rune:
Level 1 - Winds of Sleep: Inflicts Sleep status, fairly accurate (unknown hit rate as of now)
Level 2 - Healing Winds: Full Healing, recovers from all status
Level 3 - The Shredding: 300 Wind Elemental damage
Level 4 - Funeral Winds: 300 Wind Elemental damage, 25% Chance of instant death

Keneth:
HP: 397
MP: 9/4/2/1
STR: 107
SKL: 161
MAG: 107
EVA: 122
PDF: 108
MDF: 109
SPD: 120
LUC: 85

Equipment:
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

Attack: 337
Defense: 239

Physical: 307 Damage

Runes:
Lightning Rune:
Level 1 - Beseker Blow: 100 Lightning elemental damage
Level 2 - Thunder Runner: 300 Lightning Elemental damage
Level 3 - Soaring Bolt: 600 Lightning Elemental damage
Level 4 - Furious Blow: 900 Lightning Elemental damage

Tal:
HP: 455
MP: 6/3/1/0
STR: 157
SKL: 87
MAG: 76
EVA: 103
PDF: 125
MDF: 73
SPD: 108
LUC: 124

Equipment:
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

Attack: 387
Defense: 256

Physical: 357

Runes:
Earth Rune:
Level 1 - Guardian Clay: Increases Defense and Magic Defense
Level 2 - Vengeful Child: Blocks the next spell
Level 3 - Guardian Earth: Cure all status ailments

Jewel:
HP: 424
MP: 6/3/1/0
STR: 123
SKL: 122
MAG: 88
EVA: 142
PDF: 93
MDF: 109
SPD: 139
LUC: 110

Equips:
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

Attack: 353
Defense: 224

Physical: 323

Runes:
Water Rune:
Level 1 - Kindness Drops: Full Healing, Recovers from all status
Level 2 - Breath of Ice: 100 Ice elemental damage
Level 3 - Kindness Rain: 300 Healing, cures all status ailments

Snowe:
HP: 384
MP: 6/3/1/0
STR: 134
SKL: 104
MAG: 75
EVA: 121
PDF: 86
MDF: 72
SPD: 104
LUC: 42

Equips:
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

Attack: 364
Defense: 217

Physical: 334

Runes:
Water Rune:
Level 1 - Kindness Drops: Full Healing, cures all status ailments
Level 2 - Breath of Ice: 75 Ice elemental damage
Level 3 - Kindness Rain: 200 Heaing, cures all status ailments

Katarina:
HP: 319
MP: 9/5/3/1
STR: 81
SKL: 104
MAG: 143
EVA: 120
PDF: 51
MDF: 141 (142)
SPD: 95 (105 w/ Tai Chi Garb)
LUC: 56 (66)

Equips:
Silk Hat
Silk Robe (Tai Chi Garb)
Wool Mittens
Gold Boots

Attack: 281
Defense: 121 (111)

Physical: 251

Runes:
Water Rune:
Level 1 - Kindness Drops: Full Healing, cures all status ailments
Level 2 - Breath of Ice: 100 Ice elemental damage
Level 3 - Kindness Rain: 300 Heaing, cures all status ailments
Level 4 - Silent Lake: Blocks all magic on both sides

Lightning Rune:
Level 1 - Beseker Blow: 75 Lightning elemental damage
Level 2 - Thunder Runner: 225 Lightning Elemental damage
Level 3 - Soaring Bolt: 450 Lightning Elemental damage
Level 4 - Furious Blow: 775 Lightning Elemental damage

Flare:
HP: 364
MP: 8/5/2/1
STR: 91
SKL: 165
MAG: 126
EVA: 139
PDF: 75
MDF: 125
SPD: 159 (169 w/ Tai Chi Garb)
LUC: 121 (131)

Equipment:
Silk Hat
Silk Robe (Tai Chi Garb)
Gold Bracers
Gold Boots

Attack: 336
Defense: 143

Physical: 306

Runes:
Wind Rune:
Level 1 - Winds of Sleep: Inflicts Sleep status, fairly accurate
Level 2 - Healing Wind: Full Healing, restores all status
Level 3 - The Shredding: 300 Wind elemental damage
Level 4 - Funeral Wind: 300 Wind Elemental damage, 25% Chance of Instant death

Chiepoo:
HP: 355
MP: 7/4/2/1
STR: 104
SKL: 136
MAG: 107 (109)
EVA: 153
PDF: 90
MDF: 83 (88)
SPD: 156
LUC: 173 (182)

Equipment:
Nay-Kobold Hat
Silk Robe
Paw Gloves
Paw Shoes

Attack: 354
Defense: 168

Physical: 324

Warlock:
HP: 291
MP: 9/7/4/2
STR: 39
SKL: 39
MAG: 175
EVA: 174
PDF: 53
MDF: 145 (146)
SPD: 58 (68 w/ Tai Chi Garb)
LUC: 121 (131)

Equipment:
Silk Hat
Silk Robe
Wool Mittens
Silk Shoes

Attack: 239
Defense: 119 (109)

Physical: 209

Runes:
Mother Earth:
Level 1 - Vengeful Child: Blocks the next magic spell
Level 2 - Guardian Earth: Cures all status ailments
Level 3 - Earthquake: 1200 Earth elemental damage, can't hit fliers
Level 4 - Canopy Defense: Blocks the next magic spell

Flowing:
Level 1 - Breath of Ice: 100 Ice elemental damage
Level 2 - Kindness Rain: 300 Healing, recovers from Status
Level 3 - Silent Lake: Blocks all magic for a few turns
Level 4 - Mother Ocean: Full Healing, recovers from all status, resurrects an ally (if said target is dead, of course)

Mizuki:
HP: 422
MP: 8/5/2/1
STR: 91
SKL: 121
MAG: 127
EVA: 157 (159)
PDF: 126
MDF: 113
SPD: 175 (178) (188 w/ Tai Chi Garb)
LUC: 91

Equipment:
Feather Hat
Silk Robe (Tai Chi Garb)
Gold Gloves
Gold Boots

Attack: 341
Defense: 197 (187)

Physical: 311

Runes:
Shrike: 622 damage, ignores evade

Axel:
HP: 425
MP: 6/3/1/0
STR: 136
SKL: 87
MAG: 87
EVA: 109
PDF: 122
MDF: 85
SPD: 110
LUC: 113

Equipment:
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Gold Gloves
Diamond Boots

Attack: 391
Defense: 239

Physical: 361

Sigurd:
HP: 424
MP: 7/4/2/1
STR: 124
SKL: 153
MAG: 102
EVA: 121
PDF: 117
MDF: 105
SPD: 135 (145 w/ Tai Chi Garb)
LUC: 87 (97)

Equipment:
Silk Hat
Silk Robe (Tai Chi Garb)
Gold Bracers
Silk Shoes

Attack: 369
Defense: 181

Physical: 339

Runes:
Water Rune:
Level 1 - Kindness Drops: Full Healing, cures all status ailments
Level 2 - Breath of Ice: 150 Ice elemental damage
Level 3 - Kindness Rain: 300 Heaing, cures all status ailments
Level 4 - Silent Lake: Blocks all magic on both sides

Dario:
HP: 495
MP: 6/3/1/0
STR: 159
SKL: 72
MAG: 92
EVA: 70
PDF: 127
MDF: 127
SPD: 65 (75 w/ Tai Chi Garb)
LUC: 80

Equipment:
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail (Tai Chi Garb)
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

Attack: 414
Defense: 258 (228)

Physical: 384

Hervey:
HP: 458
MP: 5/2/1/0
STR: 155
SKL: 113
MAG: 71
EVA: 132
PDF: 109
MDF: 97
SPD: 161
LUC: 122

Equipment:
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

Attack: 385
Defense: 240

Physical: 355

Runes:
Fire Rune:
Level 1 - Flaming Arrows: 150 fire elemental damage
Level 2 - Dancing Flames: 225 Fire elemental damage
Level 3 - Blazing Wall: 450 Fire elemental damage

Selma:
HP: 461
MP: 8/4/2/1
STR: 104
SKL: 148
MAG: 123
EVA: 89
PDF: 108
MDF: 73
SPD: 104
LUC: 102

Equipment:
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

Attack: 334
Defense: 225

Physical: 304

Runes:
Water Rune:
Level 1 - Kindness Drops: Full Healing, cures all status ailments
Level 2 - Breath of Ice: 150 Ice elemental damage
Level 3 - Kindness Rain: 300 Heaing, cures all status ailments
Level 4 - Silent Lake: Blocks all magic on both sides

Viki:
HP: 292
MP: 9/6/3/1
STR: 73
SKL: 149
MAG: 157
EVA: 141
PDF: 63
MDF: 136 (137)
SPD: 69 (79 w/ Tai Chi Garb)
LUC: 58 (68)

Equipment:

Attack: 273
Defense: 127 (117)

Physical: 243

Runes:
Blinking
Level 1 - Ready!: Removes target from battle field, on fairlure, removes ally,
Level 2 - Set!: 200 damage
Level 3 - Go!: Removes all enemies from battle field, on failure, removes all non Viki allies

Jeane:
HP: 323
MP: 9/7/4/2
STR: 69
SKL: 159
MAG: 179
EVA: 70
PDF: 57
MDF: 169 (170)
SPD: 69 (79 w/ Tai Chi Garb)
LUC: 113 (123)

Equipment:
Silk Hat
Silk Robe (Tai Chi Garb)
Wool Mittens
Gold Boots

Attack: 269
Defense: 124 (114)

Physical: 239

Runes:
Charming Rune: Enemy randomly covers her from enemy physicals. Note that the enemy cannot guard his own physical (so this is useless in a duel) Activates about 25% of the time based on casual playing.

Lightning:
Level 1 - Beseker Blow: 150 Lightning elemental damage
Level 2 - Thunder Runner: 450 Lightning Elemental damage
Level 3 - Soaring Bolt: 900 Lightning Elemental damage
Level 4 - Furious Blow: 1350 Lightning Elemental damage

Lino En Kuldes:
HP: 422
MP: 5/2/1/0
STR: 159
SKL: 105
MAG: 68
EVA: 72
PDF: 136
MDF: 91
SPD: 95 (105 w/ Tai Chi Garb)
LUC: 104

Equipment:
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail (Tai Chi Garb)
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

Attack: 409
Defense: 253 (223)

Physical: 379

Reinbach III:
HP: 357
MP: 6/3/1/0
STR: 87
SKL: 156 (176)
MAG: 91
EVA: 137
PDF: 107
MDF: 106
SPD: 103
LUC: 177

Equips:
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots
Rose Crest

Attack: 327
Defense: 238

Physical: 297

Rune:
Red Rose Rune: 584, ignores evade

Akaghi:
HP: 461
MP: 6/3/1/0
STR: 120
SKL: 102
MAG: 91
EVA: 176
PDF: 112
MDF: 118
SPD: 151
LUC: 109

Equipment:
Wool Hat
Silk Robe (Tai Chi Garb)
Gold Bracers
Silk Shoes

Attack: 370
Defense: 180 (170)

Physical: 340


Konrad:
HP: 323
MP: 9/6/3/1
STR: 52
SKL: 110
MAG: 152
EVA: 122
PDF: 54
MDF: 139
SPD: 78
LUC: 106

Equipment:
Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Wool Mittens
Silk Shoes

Attack: 252
Defense: 120 (110)

Physical: 222 damage

Runes:
Rage:
Level 1 - Dancing Flames: 225 Fire Elemental damage
Level 2 - Blazing Wall: 450 Fire elemental damage
Level 3 - Explosion: 750 Fire Elemental damage
Level 4 - Final Flame: 1050 Fire Elemental Damage

More relevant info in later posts!
« Last Edit: April 11, 2008, 04:49:49 PM by Meeplelard »
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Re: Suikoden 4 (Relevant PCs/Bosses)
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2007, 05:21:26 AM »
FROM ELFBOY!!!

Some more random stuff:

-Silent Lake lasts four turns (including the turn it's cast, so in a duel; the caster only gets in three attacks after SLing). This is one less than S3, though I think it's the same as S2.

-Stat growth in this game is screwy. Unlike S3, which was linear except for a few exceptions (the Thomas crew, namely), a lot of characters may start off great in one stat, and have this stat fall off, or vice versa. For instance, Lino and Axel have shitty HP early on, but this climbs to above average at endgame. Or, Mitsuba and Izak have awesome Power at their starting level, but this descends to be more reasonable by endgame. This doesn't really matter for the DL (since Gourry's notes have everyone at L55 anyway) but it means I want to see stat growth charts for in-game rather badly.

-Criticals... the rate seems pretty low, to me, in general. It wouldn't shock me at all if S4 uses S3's critical formula ([Skill + Luck]/32 % chance to critical) or something similar. All I know is that the formula is based off Skill and Luck in some way. Between the lowish rate and the fact that criticals are non-ITD 2x damage (the worst they've ever been in the series), don't expect crits to save fighters like they did in earlier games.

-I don't think bosses ignore rune affinities at all. Instead, several lategame bosses just have good elemental resistances in general.

STAT AVERAGES

These are based on Gourry's notes. His numbers will no doubt vary from the "expected" value of each stat, but hopefully the variations overall work both ways and thus, cancel each other out.

HP: 408
Defence (equipped): 198
Magic Defence: 101
Speed: 116
Speed Standard Deviation: 35

MEEPLE NOTE: Gourry added in full PC stats.  As such, this is actually the FULL CAST AVERAGE even though the full cast isn't listed here.  So yeah, don't worry; this is not one of these "partial averages" though do note that the stats Gourry used vary slightly from mine due to general Suikoden Random Growth aspects, etc, but its nothing major.

ALSO FROM ELFBOY!

OK, time for the semi-spoilerish boss notes post!

Graham Cray

HP: 4000 (game-best of any required boss up to this point, but... still not good. The boss immediately after him has 13000...)
Defence: ~120 (above average, but nothing really special)
MDef: He seems to reduce magic by about 20%. This is more likely elemental resistances than anything else, though.
Speed: Very slow. I'd guess 50-60, he was similar to my underlevelled Warlock.
Evade: Average, I think. He dodged my inaccurate characters with decent frequency (1/3 or so?), my average accuracy character extremely rarely, and my accurate character never at all.

Didn't test statuses on him. I probably should have, since a lot of bosses in this game are vulnerable to Sleep, but I'm an idiot/lazy.

Magic Barrier: Cuts all damage sustained by half. Four round duration, including the round that is cast. (He'll usually cast this when able. He can't "refresh" it, though.)
Soaring Bolt: ~240 lightning magic damage to one (He... hates to use this, for some reason. I saw it about once per 20 rounds)
Steel Hand Attack, ST version: ~120 pseudomagic damage to one. (Hits MDef, but not subject to Silent Lake/Canopy Defence)
Steel Hand Attack, MT version: ~80 pseudomagic damage to all. (His favourite move, by far.)

Comments: Probably some sort of low Middle. Magic Barrier's a nice move, and Soaring Bolt is pretty good damage (assuming you don't put some sort of restriction on it, which wouldn't be unreasonable). Still, he really hates lightning defence, as well as high MDef in general, and the abysmal speed will hold him back.

I probably see him about PC HP, myself. You can utterly waste him with a decked-out party, since it's a Suikoden game, but he's hardly the lowest-HP lategame boss in the series or anything (he clearly beats Sarah and Yuber, for instance).

MEEPLE NOTE: I changed the way he labeled this boss only cause it felt like a spoiler tag which isn't really needed anymore, etc.

NOW A RANDOM THING FROM ME!

Just went through all 56 PCs, and used Gourry's numbers since they were more convienent, and got a "Rough" average damage. Basically...
A. I only used moves that could be used more than once. IOWs, all level 4s were ignored, except Ted, Jeane, Warlock and Maxine who get 2 charges.
B. Assumed critical hit rate was 10%. Yes, this probably isn't true for everyone, but the average probably falls somewhere in there, and ultimatly, the average damage wouldn't change much either way
C. For Onrad, I didn't factor in waking rune. Figured the Beserk Boost and the whole "He loses his first turn automatically" aspect cancelled out. For Karl, I used 20% for his critical hit rate, due to his Killer Rune, instead of 10%.

Rough Average damage: 478

Some facts (assuming the 2.5x average damage = KO):
-The Hero 2HKOs with his Everlasting Mercy +  Eternal Ordeal, so he could have a bit of a heal lock with Eternal Ordeal, with that one shot of EM waiting around
-Jeane OHKOs quite cleanly with Furious Blow, not much of a surprise here
-Warlock is on the border of OHKO with Earthquake, pity about the speed and physical durability
-Maxine's optimal damage also heals her as a reminder, so not only does she 2HKO, but she heals in the proccess, nifty, granted, only two shots
-Keneth has one shot 900 damage, and Konrad has one shot of 1050 damage, they then go down to 600 and 750 respectively for their "optimal damage"
-Kika solidly 2HKOs, act surprised
-Mizuki and Reinbach struggle to 2HKO, more big surprises
-Lo Fong has one shot of 1200 with Earthquake, which like Warlock, is on the OHKO border
-Ted's damage is absolutely OBSCENE. its nearly 2x PC Overkill, meaning unless you resist dark or have utterly insane magic durability, or have boss HP, you WILL die. Not much of a suprise here, 2250 damage would do that <_<

NOW FOR RANDOM TESTS REGARDING VIKI!!
...from Sei...

S4 Blinking Rune tests

Viki was tested when she was Lv 41, and equipped with her DL legal equipment. Also, she was placed in Team 1 on her lonesome in the ship to give her a more DL-ish environment (That, and I have a hunch that the Blinking Rune won't backfire is she's the only one standing)

Now, reasons why you the S4 Blinking Rune is ID:

1) Blinked enemies return the same amount of Exp
2) Blinked enemies return the same amount of Gold
3) Blinked enemies still drop items
4) Blink can miss blinkable enemies without backfiring
5) Blink can only hit the same enemies Lazlo's L3 can hit. Non-IDable Randoms like the Leviathan and Metal Crab can't be blinked.

Personally, I have a hard time seeing S4 Blinking Rune as anything BUT ID.

Now for the test, I used the Speckled Rays around the Deserted Island. They're IDable, and are at sea, so I can isolate Viki. The results:

Ready:
No. of times hit: 18
No. of times backfired: 0
No. of times tried: 21

Go:
No. of times hit: 18
No. of times backfired: 0
No. of times tried: 20
(Note: Go also blinked away Jellyfish Men 8/8 times)

So... S4 Viki for Light Champ? Seems ironic that she was reranked to Light after she got a Middle dueling form.
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Re: Suikoden 4 (Relevant PCs/Bosses)
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2008, 04:51:09 PM »
Given he's in this season, and for some reason I didn't stat topic him and he got ranked (I posted all those with a decent chance of being ranked, so...weird or something?), Konrad was added to the topic.

If anything about his format looks different, its cause I just ripped it from Gourry's notes in the other topic, and tried to reformat it for consistency.  Regardless, props to Gourry for getting his stats and such.
[21:39] <+Mega_Mettaur> so Snow...
[21:39] <+Mega_Mettaur> Sonic Chaos
[21:39] <+Hello-NewAgeHipsterDojimaDee> That's -brilliant-.

[17:02] <+Tengu_Man> Raven is a better comic relief PC than A

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Re: Suikoden 4 (Relevant PCs/Bosses)
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2008, 06:46:18 AM »
Random note: Keneth, Tal, Jewel, Snowe(!), Dario, and Hervey can all use the entire Diamond equip set, and gain 25% more MDef and 10% more Def due to this.

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Re: Suikoden 4 (Relevant PCs/Bosses)
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2009, 07:10:20 PM »
For both my sanity's sake, and because who knows someone might want to use these guys in RPGmon or the Dungeon or something, a full char stat list that Gourry provided. All relevant people/info for DL purposes are in Meeple's post(s), this is mainly just side notage.

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I'll fill in everything Meeple missed, which means the non-important characters. I don't have damages or anything, but a few of these should be easy to calculate. I don't really plan on doing critical damage tests (there's probably an easy formula for it based on Luck and Skill or something). I'll fill in the Rune/affinity information later, as well.

I had to "level" down characters sometimes, since a few got past level 55 for me. This means that some Rune Slots and/or MP charges could be screwed, and a few stats could be off by a few points. Otherwise, most things should be in order.

Here's what most people have for equipment:

Hats
---
Silk Hat: +12 DEF, +10 LUC
Diamond Helm: +25 DEF

Armor
---
Tai Chi Garb: +24 DEF, +10 SPD
Silk Robe: +34 DEF
Diamond Mail: +54 DEF

Foot Accessories
---
Silk Shoes: +14 DEF
Diamond Boots: +24 DEF

Hand Accessories
---
Wool Mittens: +6 DEF
Gold Bracers: +14 DEF
Paw Gloves: +16 DEF, +2 MAG, +2 MDF, +2 LUC
Diamond Shield: +28 DEF

Some characters, like Gau and Karl, have incredibly shitty armor selections. I'm not sure if I have every store inventory or not, so I don't know if there's anything important I'm missing. Also, I haven't messed with Adrienne's "Make Armor" option much.

Hero
HP: 461
MP: 8/5/2/1
STR: 124
SKL: 121
MAG: 123
EVA: 138
PDF: 107
MDF: 86
SPD: 123
LUC: 73
ATK: 379
DEF: 224

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

Punishment* + 2 Rune Slots

Lino En Kuldes
HP: 425
STR: 156
SKL: 106
MAG: 70
EVA: 67
PDF: 139
MDF: 88
SPD: 91 [101]
LUC: 114
ATK: 406
DEF: 256 [226]

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots

Ted
HP: 391
MP: 9/6/3/2
STR: 89
SKL: 144
MAG: 186
EVA: 126
PDF: 57
MDF: 162
SPD: 136 [146]
LUC: 86 (96)
ATK: 334
DEF: 131 [121]

Armor
---
Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Silk Shoes

Soul Eater* + 2 Rune Slots (Water (3))

Tal
HP: 459
MP: 6/3/1
STR: 161
SKL: 88
MAG: 77
EVA: 112
PDF: 123
MDF: 75
SPD: 115
LUC: 123
ATK: 401
DEF: 254

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots (Earth Rune (3))

Izak
HP: 460
MP: 5/2/1
STR: 151
SKL: 76
MAG: 68
EVA: 89
PDF: 137
MDF: 75
SPD: 73 [83]
LUC: 111
ATK: 406
DEF: 254 [224]

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

Lightning Rune (2)

Axel
HP: 416
STR: 141
SKL: 88
MAG: 93
EVA: 105
PDF: 126
MDF: 91
SPD: 110
LUC: 114
ATK: 396
DEF: 243

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots

Selma
HP: 461
MP: 8/4/2/1
STR: 111
SKL: 148
MAG: 125
EVA: 94
PDF: 110
MDF: 75
SPD: 110
LUC: 108
ATK: 366
DEF: 227

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

3 Rune Slots (Water (4))

Aldo
HP: 390
STR: 123
SKL: 126
MAG: 91
EVA: 118
PDF: 125
MDF: 159
SPD: 156 [166]
LUC: 68 (78)
ATK: 368
DEF: 199 [189]

Armor
---
Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Silk Shoes

2 Rune Slots

Reinbach
HP: 348
STR: 91
SKL: 154 (174)
MAG: 88
EVA: 138
PDF: 107
MDF: 111
SPD: 110 [120]
LUC: 176
ATK: 331
DEF: 224 [213]

Armor
---
Diamond Helm/Silk Hat
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots
Rose Crest: +20 SKL

Red Rose* + 2 Rune Slots

Chiepoo
HP: 361
STR: 105
SKL: 137
MAG: 108 (110)
EVA: 155
PDF: 91
MDF: 92 (97)
SPD: 161 (171)
LUC: 174 (184)
ATK: 355
DEF: 169

Armor
---
Nay-Kobold Hat
Tai Chi Garb
Paw Gloves
Paw Shoes

2 Rune Slots

Paula
HP: 397
MP: 9/5/2/1
STR: 87
SKL: 127
MAG: 139
EVA: 109
PDF: 68
MDF: 126
SPD: 124 [134]
LUC: 106 (116)
ATK: 327
DEF: 160 [150]

Armor
---
Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Diamond Shield
Gold Boots

3 Rune Slots (Wind Rune (3))

Kika
HP: 389
STR: 89
SKL: 177
MAG: 73
EVA: 152
PDF: 102
MDF: 112
SPD: 145
LUC: 86
ATK: 344
DEF: 219

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Golden Bracers
Diamond Boots

Falcon* + 1 Rune Slot

Keneth
HP: 383
MP: 7/4/2/1
STR: 110
SKL: 159
MAG: 107
EVA: 122
PDF: 108
MDF: 105
SPD: 125
LUC: 90
ATK: 350
DEF: 239

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots (Lightning Rune (3))

Travis
HP: 405
MP: 5/2/1
STR: 123
SKL: 94
MAG: 70
EVA: 125
PDF: 124
MDF: 110
SPD: 139 [149]
LUC: 103
ATK: 368
DEF: 198 [188]

Armor
---
Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Silk Shoes

2 Rune Slots

Snowe
HP: 390
MP: 6/3/1
STR: 135
SKL: 107
MAG: 78
EVA: 124
PDF: 91
MDF: 70
SPD: 104 [114]
LUC: 42
ATK: 375
DEF: 222 [192]

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail/Tai Chi Garb
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots (Water Rune (2))

Rachel
HP: 410
STR: 111
SKL: 135
MAG: 94
EVA: 124
PDF: 107
MDF: 71
SPD: 137
LUC: 111
ATK: 361
DEF: 224

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots

Helga
HP: 431
STR: 174
SKL: 88
MAG: 70
EVA: 69
PDF: 122
MDF: 71
SPD: 58
LUC: 121
ATK: 429
DEF: 239

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots

Gau
HP: 541
STR: 171
SKL: 89
MAG: 44
EVA: 76
PDF: 161
MDF: 42
SPD: 135 (145)
LUC: 68
ATK: 421
DEF: 202

Armor
---
Pointy Hat
Tai Chi Garb
Gauntlet
Leg Armor

Gretchen
HP: 396
STR: 139
SKL: 103
MAG: 111
EVA: 89
PDF: 137
MDF: 87
SPD: 111
LUC: 83
ATK: 379
DEF: 268

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots

Konrad
HP: 323
MP: 9/6/3/1
STR: 52
SKL: 110
MAG: 152
EVA: 122
PDF: 54
MDF: 139 (140)
SPD: 78 [88]
LUC: 106 (116)
ATK: 252
DEF: 120 [110]

Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Wool Mittens
Silk Shoes

3 Rune Slots (Rage (4))

Jewel
HP: 415
MP: 6/3/1
STR: 120
SKL: 124
MAG: 90
EVA: 145
PDF: 89
MDF: 108
SPD: 135
LUC: 105
ATK: 360
DEF: 220

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots (Water Rune (3))

Katarina
HP: 326
STR: 87
SKL: 108
MAG: 144
EVA: 124
PDF: 55
MDF: 143 (144)
SPD: 88 [98]
LUC: 57 (67)
ATK: 287
DEF: 121 [111]

Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Wool Mittens
Silk Shoes

3 Rune Slots (Lightning Rune (2), Water Rune (3))

Lo Seng
HP: 418
STR: 126
SKL: 88
MAG: 73
EVA: 106
PDF: 86
MDF: 76
SPD: 141 [151]
LUC: 73
ATK: 371
DEF: 154 [144]

Armor
---
Wool Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Silk Shoes

2 Rune Slots (Prosperity)

Shiramine
HP: 495
STR: 136
SKL: 91
MAG: 63
EVA: 71
PDF: 152
MDF: 74
SPD: 91 (101)
LUC: 93
ATK: 386
DEF: 191

"Armor"
---
Forehead Guard
Tai Chi Garb
Gauntlet
Leg Armor

2 Rune Slots

Lo Fong
HP: 362
MP: 8/4/2/1
STR: 91
SKL: 125
MAG: 118
EVA: 112
PDF: 108
MDF: 123
SPD: 174 (184)
LUC: 157
ATK: 336
DEF: 180 [170]

Armor
---
Wool Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Gold Boots

2 Rune Slots (Earth (4))

Ugetsu
HP: 452
MP: 6/3/1
STR: 123
SKL: 70
MAG: 93
EVA: 69
PDF: 85
MDF: 75
SPD: 54 [64]
LUC: 74
ATK: 378
DEF: 180

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Tai Chi Garb
Diamond Shield
Gold Boots

2 Rune Slots (Water (4))

Lo Hak
HP: 359
MP: 7/4/2/1
STR: 109
SKL: 138
MAG: 111
EVA: 126
PDF: 108
MDF: 74
SPD: 154 [164]
LUC: 72
ATK: 354
DEF: 176 [166]

Armor
---
Wool Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracer
Silk Shoes

2 Rune Slots (Fire (4))

Flare
HP: 358
MP: 8/5/2/1
STR: 87
SKL: 162
MAG: 125
EVA: 134
PDF: 74
MDF: 124
SPD: 156 [166]
LUC: 124
ATK: 332
DEF: 152 [142]

Armor
---
Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracer
Gold Boots

3 Rune Slots (Wind (3))

Jeremy
HP: 496
STR: 134
SKL: 128
MAG: 54
EVA: 107
PDF: 125
MDF: 68
SPD: 121
LUC: 107
ATK: 374
DEF: 256

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

1 Rune Slot

Jeane
HP: 324
MP: 9/6/3/2
STR: 73
SKL: 154
MAG: 176
EVA: 68
PDF: 58
MDF: 177
SPD: 76 [86]
LUC: 107 (117)
ATK: 273
DEF: 128 [118]

Armor
---
Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Wool Mittens
Gold Boots

Charm Rune* + 2 Rune Slots (Lightning (4))

Sigurd
HP: 418
MP: 7/4/2/1
STR: 124
SKL: 153
MAG: 104
EVA: 126
PDF: 123
MDF: 106
SPD: 138 [148]
LUC: 88 (98)
ATK: 369
DEF: 197 [187]

Armor
---
Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Silk Shoes

2 Rune Slots (Water Rune (4))

Hervey
HP: 457
MP: 5/2/1
STR: 155
SKL: 112
MAG: 67
EVA: 140
PDF: 101
MDF: 86
SPD: 163
LUC: 120
ATK: 395
DEF: 232

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots (Fire (4))

Frederica
HP: 361
STR: 99
SKL: 125
MAG: 120
EVA: 101
PDF: 73
MDF: 65
SPD: 161 [171]
LUC: 120 (130)
ATK: 344
DEF: 147 [137]

Armor
---
Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Silk Shoes

3 Rune Slots

Bartholomew
HP: 490
STR: 176
SKL: 71
MAG: 70
EVA: 117
PDF: 140
MDF: 55
SPD: 43 [53]
LUC: 73
ATK: 428
DEF: 257 [227]

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots

Helmut
HP: 458
STR: 125
SKL: 174
MAG: 119
EVA: 74
PDF: 89
MDF: 74
SPD: 123
LUC: 73
ATK: 354
DEF: 220

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots

Pablo
HP: 318
MP: 9/5/2/1
STR: 58
SKL: 138
MAG: 139
EVA: 69
PDF: 59
MDF: 109
SPD: 126 [136]
LUC: 158 (168)
ATK: 258
DEF: 125 [115]

Armor
---
Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Wool Mittens
Silk Shoes

3 Rune Slots (Fire (3))

Dario
HP: 495
STR: 158
SKL: 73
MAG: 91
EVA: 73
PDF: 122
MDF: 122
SPD: 53 [63]
LUC: 71
ATK: 413
DEF: 253 [223]

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail/Tai Chi Garb
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots

Millay
HP: 361
STR: 125
SKL: 145
MAG: 126
EVA: 109
PDF: 116
MDF: 74
SPD: 153
LUC: 138
ATK: 365
DEF: 247

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

3 Rune Slots

Reinhold
HP: 467
MP: 6/3/1
STR: 136
SKL: 104
MAG: 93
EVA: 124
PDF: 69
MDF: 90
SPD: 77
LUC: 63
DEF: 186

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots (Lightning Rune (2))

Warlock
HP: 297
MP: 9/6/3/2
STR: 39
SKL: 46
MAG: 172
EVA: 176
PDF: 55
MDF: 150
SPD: 56 [66]
LUC: 55 (65)
DEF: 121 [111]

Armor
---
Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Wool Mittens
Silk Shoes

3 Rune Slots (Mother Earth (4), Flowing (3))

Akaghi
HP: 466
STR: 125
SKL: 107
MAG: 89
EVA: 174
PDF: 113
MDF: 123
SPD: 153 [163]
LUC: 194
ATK: 375
DEF: 181 [171]

Armor
---
Wool Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Silk Shoes

2 Rune Slots

Mizuki
HP: 422
STR: 91
SKL: 122
MAG: 123
EVA: 158
PDF: 123
MDF: 115
SPD: 171 [181]
LUC: 89
ATK: 341
DEF: 195 [185]

Armor
---
Wool Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Gold Boots

Shrike* + 2 Rune Slots

Ornan
HP: 457
STR: 109
SKL: 121
MAG: 101
EVA: 72
PDF: 106
MDF: 125
SPD: 139 [149]
LUC: 143
ATK: 354
DEF: 174 [164]

Armor
---
Wool Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Silk Shoes

Waking Rune* + 2 Rune Slots

Ameria
HP: 461
STR: 122
SKL: 139
MAG: 118
EVA: 108
PDF: 89
MDF: 73
SPD: 138
LUC: 124
ATK: 362
DEF: 220

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots

Wendel
HP: 331
MP: 9/6/3/1
STR: 89
SKL: 105
MAG: 151
EVA: 177
PDF: 69
MDF: 71
SPD: 134 [144]
LUC: 109
ATK: 339
DEF: 137 [127]

Armor
---
Wool Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Silk Shoes

3 Rune Slots

Eugene
HP: 426
MP: 8/5/2/1
STR: 91
SKL: 122
MAG: 125
EVA: 105
PDF: 135
MDF: 112
SPD: 56
LUC: 46
ATK: 341
DEF: 252

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

Firefly* + 2 Rune Slots (Fire (3))

Mitsuba
HP: 491
STR: 145
SKL: 69
MAG: 66
EVA: 71
PDF: 91
MDF: 105
SPD: 70
LUC: 161
ATK: 400
DEF: 208

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots

Viki
HP: 291
MP: 9/6/3/1
STR: 72
SKL: 152
MAG: 154
EVA: 139
PDF: 54
MDF: 132
SPD: 70 [80]
LUC: 56 (66)
ATK: 277
DEF: 120 [110]

Armor
---
Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Wool Mittens
Silk Shoes

Blinking* + 2 Rune Slots

Kate
HP: 386
MP: 9/5/3/1
STR: 89
SKL: 120
MAG: 141
EVA: 144
PDF: 112
MDF: 92
SPD: 146 [156]
LUC: 110
ATK: 334
DEF: 184 [174]

Armor
---
Wool Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Gold Bracers
Gold Boots

3 Rune Slots (Earth (2))

Charlemagne
HP: 420
STR: 125
SKL: 139
MAG: 70
EVA: 86
PDF: 70
MDF: 85
SPD: 73
LUC: 92
ATK: 365
DEF: 201

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

Rita
HP: 348
STR: 93
SKL: 141
MAG: 117
EVA: 152
PDF: 87
MDF: 102
SPD: 109
LUC: 173
ATK: 348
DEF: 204

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Gold Bracers
Diamond Boots

2 Rune Slots

Trishtan
HP: 492
STR: 70
SKL: 152
MAG: 56
EVA: 71
PDF: 156
MDF: 154
SPD: 118
LUC: 71
ATK: 310
DEF: 287

Armor
---
Diamond Helm
Diamond Mail
Diamond Shield
Diamond Boots

1 Rune Slot

Nalkul
HP: 355
STR: 121
SKL: 112
MAG: 112 (114)
EVA: 152
PDF: 107
MDF: 105 (110)
SPD: 157
LUC: 106 (116)
ATK: 371
DEF: 185

Armor
---
Nay-Kobold Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Paw Gloves
Paw Shoes

2 Rune Slots

Champo
HP: 388
STR: 91
SKL: 139
MAG: 93 (95)
EVA: 141
PDF: 90
MDF: 139 (144)
SPD: 143
LUC: 85 (95)
ATK: 341
DEF: 168

Armor
---
Nay-Kobold Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Paw Gloves
Paw Shoes

2 Rune Slots

Maxine
HP: 321
MP: 9/7/4/2
STR: 71
SKL: 177
MAG: 176
EVA: 73
PDF: 56
MDF: 144
SPD: 109 [119]
LUC: 141 (151)
ATK: 271
DEF: 126 [116]

Armor
---
Silk Hat
Silk Robe/Tai Chi Garb
Wool Mittens
Gold Boots

3 Rune Slots (Cyclone (4), Fire (3))

Karl
HP: 462
STR: 151 (156)
SKL: 92
MAG: 70
EVA: 86
PDF: 179
MDF: 72
SPD: 113 (123)
LUC: 57
ATK: 406
DEF: 221

"Armor"
---
Forehead Guard
Tai Chi Garb
Gauntlet
Leg Armor
Strength Sash

2 Rune Slots (Killer)