Author Topic: LFT: An FFT mod (The final release is a lie. Download here!) (Read 455729 times)

NinjaWeazel · « **Reply #1725 on:** April 01, 2011, 02:44:16 AM »

Maybe he just doesn't like blondes.... (Reis not included, because Reis is *always* awesome)

metroid composite · « **Reply #1726 on:** April 01, 2011, 02:20:58 PM »

If we really want to make Agrias pick back up in the super-lategame, then why don't we give her a 9999 JP ability?

jsh357 · « **Reply #1727 on:** April 01, 2011, 07:01:18 PM »

Quote from: metroid composite on April 01, 2011, 02:20:58 PM

If we really want to make Agrias pick back up in the super-lategame, then why don't we give her a 9999 JP ability?

After 9999 hours of studying Calculus, Agrias unlocks Math Swordskill

metroid composite · « **Reply #1728 on:** April 01, 2011, 07:59:08 PM »

Quote from: jsh357 on April 01, 2011, 07:01:18 PM

Quote from: metroid composite on April 01, 2011, 02:20:58 PM
If we really want to make Agrias pick back up in the super-lategame, then why don't we give her a 9999 JP ability?

After 9999 hours of studying Calculus, Agrias unlocks Math Swordskill

Not sure that one is feasible with the current hacking knowledgebase, but, for example, I don't think we have any PC characters who can learn Teleport 2 yet, for instance (outside of getting it innate on Calc).

Laggy · « **Reply #1729 on:** April 01, 2011, 08:48:51 PM »

No, I am not giving Teleport 2 to Agrias. The 9999 JP thing was a funny gimmick once, it would be tired to do more. >_>

NinjaWeazel · « **Reply #1730 on:** April 01, 2011, 10:29:23 PM »

I'd be cool with slapping some high-cost defensive abilities on? Takes her in the opposite direction of the late swordskillers (since TG Cid and Meli are all about MOAR OFFENSE and Beowulf just makes everything cry forever with statuses.

superaielman · « **Reply #1731 on:** April 01, 2011, 11:28:42 PM »

Meliadoul is straight up defensive. High HP+Knight defenses+Ruins.

Laggy · « **Reply #1732 on:** April 01, 2011, 11:52:15 PM »

Meliadoul also really isn't even flat up a fair comparison to Agrias. The Mighty Sword skills are considerably different (less range, have the gimmick of equipment breaking while not working on things without it, no multitarget, no status, and less damage in general) and the Ruins are a different beast entirely. Agrias is much more offensive-oriented than Meliadoul is.

NinjaWeazel · « **Reply #1733 on:** April 02, 2011, 01:14:21 AM »

Fair enough on all points, mechanically. I was more thinking in the terms of 'Agrias the royal bodyguard' as opposed to ' Thunder God the one man army' and 'vengeful templar'.

Also, now that I think of it. Is it possible to let Meliadoul hurt monsters with her moves in LFT, like she can in War of the Lions? I forget if this has been asked before. Poking around with FFTPatcher, it looks like it might be possible if there was a way to strip that 'else miss' out of the ability formula... Though that might mean diving way deep into the hacking end of the pool...

Laggy · « **Reply #1734 on:** April 02, 2011, 04:14:52 AM »

Yes, but it ended up being extremely buggy (you get an equipment broken message even when they have nothing, it interacts weirdly with Fur Shop, etc.) so I took it out. Melia has enough on her own merits now that she isn't totally reliant on that.

metroid composite · « **Reply #1735 on:** April 02, 2011, 12:24:06 PM »

Quote from: Laggy on April 01, 2011, 08:48:51 PM

No, I am not giving Teleport 2 to Agrias. The 9999 JP thing was a funny gimmick once, it would be tired to do more. >_>

Fair. (And to be honest, you should be ignoring me when it comes to speecial characters/aftergame anyway--totally not my field of expertise).

NinjaWeazel · « **Reply #1736 on:** April 02, 2011, 06:58:02 PM »

Quote from: Laggy on April 02, 2011, 04:14:52 AM

Yes, but it ended up being extremely buggy

Ah well then. We do not want that!

Laggy · « **Reply #1737 on:** April 04, 2011, 08:37:49 AM »

Patch has been tentatively updated, pending a test playthrough from both Richard and myself.

For those tracking the thread, though, you can get it yourself (it's already been updated, just not announced):

http://www.rpgdl.com/LFT/LFT_Patch.ppf

NinjaWeazel · « **Reply #1738 on:** April 07, 2011, 12:02:48 AM »

Hm. Havent messed with the new patch yet but... is Rafa supposed to join up with 69 brave and 69 Faith, and malak with 31 Brave and 31 faith? I thought they were 31/69 and 69/31 respectively before.

Dark Holy Elf · « **Reply #1739 on:** April 07, 2011, 12:40:13 AM »

They were definitely deliberately swapped. Probably has something to do with the fact that Rafa exhibits considerably more bravery than Malak "lalala I am closing my ears about the bad things you are saying about Barinten lalala" during the game's actual story.

Laggy · « **Reply #1740 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:11:14 AM »

That and I'd rather people make Malak their MFI bitch than Rafa.

Dark Holy Elf · « **Reply #1741 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:17:18 AM »

I'd argue that the correct MFI bitch was and still is Ramza. Scream to repair the brave once you're done + no annoying messages (and in LFT, since Carabini Mail allows your brave to go below 10 brave without being useless, no risk of leaving the party). Still, I'm probably the minority on that one.

Just Another Day · « **Reply #1742 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:24:42 AM »

Quote from: Dark Holy Elf on April 07, 2011, 01:17:18 AM

I'd argue that the correct MFI bitch was and still is Ramza. Scream to repair the brave once you're done + no annoying messages (and in LFT, since Carabini Mail allows your brave to go below 10 brave without being useless, no risk of leaving the party). Still, I'm probably the minority on that one.

+1

Threatening Ramza is also very satisfying.

SageAcrin · « **Reply #1743 on:** April 07, 2011, 03:45:35 PM »

It's mostly a matter of how wrecked you mind leaving the person MFIing.

Ramza is technically superior, but in the end, you're going to have to boost his Brave back up(And, if you're not doing it all at once for whatever reason, back down later). Yeah, easy to do casually, but there'll either be battles you have to do it in extra, or you'll have to put up with low Brave Ramza for a few fights.

Whereas, if you consider (Rafa original, Malak here) not worth your time, hey, just drop them and leave them. Less work, if you don't care about the character enough to boost the Brave again. Also, you don't have to worry about not doing all your Move-Find at once this way.

Even if you don't find Ramza useful(I can't recall ever seeing someone say that), his forced nature makes it uncomfortable to leave him low on Brave. If nothing else, you might want to go beat the game again afterwards. (I suppose he might be running a no-Brave Reaction skill and no Brave weapons and it wouldn't matter much then, but.)

NinjaWeazel · « **Reply #1744 on:** April 07, 2011, 04:12:05 PM »

Yeah, I was originally planning on using Rafa as my MFI character like usual, since I can just give her weapon guard and a pole. Also her having decent Faith makes sending her through the Mage jobs for Calculator (that innate teleport 2 is awesome) a breeze. Malak... well, the plan will require some adjusting. But I shall adapt and overcome.

NinjaWeazel · « **Reply #1745 on:** April 12, 2011, 12:29:29 AM »

On another Meliadoul note, how hard would it be to give her moves more range? Bumping her Destroy Sword stuff up to 5 gives her better range than Agrias (but still less damage, and no status or AoE).

Laggy · « **Reply #1746 on:** April 12, 2011, 01:05:44 AM »

That would make the stooges considerably more obnoxious to fight as a pretty notable side effect.

metroid composite · « **Reply #1747 on:** April 12, 2011, 01:50:10 AM »

Does Mel need buffing?

105 speed, 175/175 HP/MP, Hats, Clothes, innate DU and MDU

She's like Knight except all her stats are higher, her skillset is better, and her equipment is better.

(Though again: don't look to me for aftergame stuff; maybe nobody ever touches her because Knight Reis is better? If that's happening, I wouldn't know).

Just Another Day · « **Reply #1748 on:** April 12, 2011, 02:16:19 AM »

I don't really have a dog in this game, but I think there's a good argument for balancing some characters (and maybe Meliadoul is a good cut-off) for the aftergame rather than the game itself -- certainly this is the case for Reis/Beowolf/Cloud; no point comparing them to ordinary characters, little incentive to constrain them in the same ways. With Meliadoul, if you were to do such a thing, I suppose you'd counterbalance by raising JP costs sharply?

metroid composite · « **Reply #1749 on:** April 12, 2011, 02:26:33 AM »

Quote from: Just Another Day on April 12, 2011, 02:16:19 AM

With Meliadoul, if you were to do such a thing, I suppose you'd counterbalance by raising JP costs sharply?

Well...would you? Her skills don't work on Hashmallum or Altima or Adramelk or Zalera, or Balk's pets, so it's not like she makes all the rest of the story missions cry. And...presumably to get her full power you still need to give her a good secondary (Knight is more of a carrier; Mel probably operates a little like Knight) so lack-of-JP is already a significant barrier to optimized Mel (and would be even if her skills had no JP cost...because she still needs plenty of JP from generic jobs).

I wouldn't worry about her JP costs unless you plan on making her skills completely bonkers.

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