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Suikoden 1
« on: December 18, 2007, 07:25:15 PM »
1. Characters halve the element of their rune. Tir halves all elements.

2. ATK=Base Attack Damage (Non-crit Damage to average defense). As such, the base physical attack score is not listed except as ATK.

3 The Averages are here and at the bottom of the post.
HP: 557
Skill: 131.4 (132.7 with Temps)
Defense: 231
Magic: 99
Speed: 124.5 (125.7 with Temps)
SD: 30.6

4. There are several ways to consider damages. There is the fully DL average, or you can partially factor in runes since the characters that have runes are otherwise inflated.
Straight (No More Runes) Average: 520 Damage (Kill Point 1300)
Multiple L4 Average: 539 Damage* (Kill Point 1348)
Multiple L3 Average: 550 Damage* (Kill Point 1375)

*Assumes that 25% of characters opt to use Water Rune in balance in game factors.

5. Not Listing Stats for Ted/Tengaar here. If they use these forms in their divisions, they won't be winning.

6. These stats are admittedly a few levels below endgame. This might matter in terms of MP charges for Alen (2nd L4)/Cleo (3rd L4)/Eileen (5th L4)/Flik (2nd L4)/Grenseal (3rd L4)/Sheena (3rd L4)/Tir (3rd L4)/(Fukien- 3rd L4)

Alen
HP: 639 
SKL: 98 
SPD: 120
MGC: 138 
ATK: 304
DEF: 275
Charges: 7/5/4/1 (7/5/4/2 at endgame)
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

30% Critical Rate
Physical Average- 486

Rage Rune
Firestorm- 219
Dancing Flames- 469
Explosion- 769
Final Flame- 969

Cleo
HP: 578 
SKL: 156 
SPD: 151
MGC: 155 
ATK: 284
DEF: 228
Charges: 8/6/5/2
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

32% critical rate.
Physical Average: 466 

Fire Rune
Flaming Arrows- 178
Firestorm- 228
Dancing Flames- 478
Explosion- 778

Clive
HP: 635 
SKL: 194 
SPD: 150
MGC: 75 
ATK: 304
DEF: 189
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

24% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 450

Crowley
HP: 404 
SKL: 95 
SPD: 130
MGC: 203 
ATK: 210
DEF: 147
9/9/7/6 (I think. I don't remember if the Emblem gives a magic bonus or not offhand)
Locked Master Robe and Emblem

Cyclone Rune
The Shredding- 506
Healing Wind- Full Healing
Storm- 606
Shining Wind- 606 Damage + Pseudo Parasitic Healing

Eileen
HP: 402 
SKL: 111 
SPD: 150
MGC: 177
ATK: 236
DEF: 168
Charges: 9/8/6/4
Silver Hat, Master Robe, Star Earrings, Guard Ring

16% crit rate
Average: 312

Earth Rune
Clay Guardian
Voice of Earth- 388
Copper Flesh- Immunity to Damage for 3 Turns
Earthquake- 794

Flik
HP: 625 
SKL: 153 
SPD: 153
MGC: 140 
ATK: 307
DEF: 256
Charges: 7/5/4/1
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

33% critical rate.
Physical Average: 510

Lightning Rune
Angry Blow- 219
Rainstorm- 169
Raging Blow- 669
Ball of Lightning- 1068
 
Futch
HP: 575 
SKL: 120 
SPD: 158
MGC: 83 
ATK: 290
DEF: 268
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

32% Critical Rate
Physical: 476
 
Gremio
HP: 515 
SKL: 137 
SPD: 96
MGC: 82 
ATK: 252 (he has an excellent weapon, but poor strength)
DEF: 243
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

22% critical rate.
Physical Average: 363

Grenseal
HP: 569 
SKL: 113 
SPD: 133
MGC: 150 
ATK: 287
DEF: 269
Charges: 8/6/4/2
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

36% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 494

Thunder Rune
Rainstorm- 174
Raging Blow- 674
Ball of Lightning- 1074
Thunder God- 974

Hellion
HP: 363 
SKL: 57 
SPD: 96
MGC: 195 (close to a 9th level 2) 
ATK: 189
DEF: 187
Charges: 9/8/7/5
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

Mother Earth Rune*
Voice of Earth- 395
Copper Flesh- Immunity to Damage for 3 Turns
Earthquake- 795
Guardian of Earth-

Hix
HP: 572 
SKL: 138 
SPD: 133
MGC: 105 
ATK: 287
DEF: 256
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

30% critical rate.
Physical: 459

Humphrey
HP: 643 
SKL: 108 
SPD: 79
MGC: 56 
ATK: 316
DEF: 272
Silver Hat, Full Armor, 2 Guard Rings
30% critical rate.
Physical Average: 506
 
Kasim
HP: 678 
SKL: 120 
SPD: 98
MGC: 64 
ATK: 335
DEF: 246
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

25% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 503

Kasumi
HP: 574 
SKL: 157 
SPD: 195
MGC: 112 
ATK: 290
DEF: 214
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

Shrike Rune- 540

Kirkis
HP: 571 
SKL: 192 
SPD: 152
MGC: 146 
ATK: 292
DEF: 225
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings
Physical Average: 380

15% critical rate. WTF? Ranged users usually have 30%, at least.

Krin
HP: 456 
SKL: 147
SPD: 200
MGC: 53 
ATK: 240
DEF: 169
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

32% critical rate. 
Physical Average: 394

Kuromimi
HP: 572 
SKL: 111 
SPD: 133
MGC: 76
ATK: 288
DEF: 288
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Gold Necklaces

33% critical rate
Physical Average: 478

Kwanda
HP: 628 
SKL: 97 
SPD: 74
MGC: 59 
ATK: 326
DEF: 349!
Silver Hat, Full Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

12% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 404

Lepant
HP: 575 
SKL: 141 
SPD: 119
MGC: 101 
ATK: 292
DEF: 260
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

33% critical rate
Average: 485

Lorelai
HP: 571 
SKL: 180 
SPD: 100
MGC: 78 
ATK: 297
DEF: 254
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

26% crit rate
Average: 452

Luc
HP: 307 (game worst) 
SKL: 132 
SPD: 167 (152 Base)
MGC: 197 (212) 
ATK: 168
DEF: 117
9/9/7/5
Silver Hat, Guard Robe*, Speed Ring*, Guard Ring
 
28% critical rate.

Wind Rune
---
Wind of Sleep- 80% Sleep, 60% Chance of Only Lasting on Turn Applies, 20% Chance of Lasting 1 Additional Turn, and 20% of Lasting up to 10 (Although usually lasts to 4) (Note: His Might be slightly more accurate/long lasting)
The Shredding- 506
Healing Wind- Full Healing
Storm- 606

Meg
HP: 506 
SKL: 139 
SPD: 119
MGC: 117 
ATK: 274
DEF: 192
Silver Hat, Guard Robe, 2 Guard Rings

31% critical rate.
Physical Average: 444

Trick Rune- 411. Usable every round.

Milia
HP: 633 
SKL: 101 
SPD: 96
MGC: 57 
ATK: 304
DEF: 283
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

Physical Without Crits: 304

Milich
HP: 583 
SKL: 122 
SPD: 119
MGC: 157 
ATK: 293
DEF: 275
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, Rose Brooch, Guard Ring

32% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 480
 
Odessa
HP: 579 
SKL: 193
DEF: 134
SPD: 194
MGC: 163 
ATK: 289
Charges: 8/7/5/3

Wind Rune
Wind of Sleep- 80% Sleep, 60% Chance of Only Lasting on Turn Applies, 20% Chance of Lasting 1 Additional Turn, and 20% of Lasting up to 10 (Although usually lasts to 4)
The Shredding- 506
Healing Wind- Full Healing
Storm- 606

Pahn
HP: 687 
SKL: 141 
SPD: 83
MGC: 43 
ATK: 358
DEF: 248
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

Boar Rune*- 716. Causes unbalance

32% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 587

Pesmerga
HP: 754 
SKL: 81 
SPD: 97
MGC: 65 
ATK: 355
DEF: 293
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor*, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings
Counter Rune*

12% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 440

Ronnie Bell
HP: 627 
SKL: 113 
SPD: 106
MGC: 39 (game worst) 
ATK: 324
DEF: 248
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

Hate Rune- 972

Sheena
HP: 580 
SKL: 120 
SPD: 146
MGC: 151 
ATK: 289
DEF: 227
Charges: 8/6/5/2
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

20% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 405

Lightning Rune
Angry Blow- 225
Rainstorm- 175
Raging Blow- 675
Ball of Lightning- 1075

Sonya
HP: 629
PWR: 152
SKL: 142 
SPD: 177
MGC: 140 
ATK: 302
DEF: 270
Charges: 7/5/4/1
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, Crimson Cape*, Guard Rings

28% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 471

Water Rune
Drops of Kindness- Full Healing
Fog of Deception- Decreases target's accuracy?
Water of Kindness- Heals 300.
Rain of Kindness- Heals 300.

Sylvina
HP: 463 
SKL: 135 
SPD: 153
MGC: 138 
ATK: 258
DEF: 216
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

20% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 361

Tai Ho
HP: 630 
SKL: 166
SPD: 134
MGC: 75 
ATK: 305
DEF: 192
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

18% critical rate.
Physical Average: 415 

Tir
HP: 626 
SKL: 172 
SPD: 168
MGC: 154
ATK: 308
DEF: 229
8/6/5/2
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

28% critical rate
Physical Average: 481

Soul Eater [Tir halves all elements]
Deadly Fingertips - 100% ID.
Black Shadow - 377 damage, MT.
Hell - 100% ID, multitarget.
Judgment - 1577 damage (essentially non-elemental, very arguably Dark though)

Valeria
HP: 635 
SKL: 127 
SPD: 109
MGC: 105
ATK: 306
DEF: 289
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

Falcon Rune. 918.

Viktor
HP: 584 
SKL: 81 
SPD: 125
MGC: 93 
ATK: 354
DEF: 260
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

20% critical rate
Physical Average: 496

Yam Koo
HP: 577 
SKL: 156 
SPD: 156
MGC: 77 
ATK: 287
DEF: 197
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

32% critical rate.
Physical Average: 471

AVERAGES
HP: 557
Skill: 131.4 (132.7 with Temps)
Defense: 231
Magic: 99
Speed: 124.5 (125.7 with Temps)
SD: 30.6

Straight (No more Runes) Average: 520 Damage (Kill Point 1300)
Multiple L4 Average: 539 Damage* (Kill Point 1348)
Multiple L3 Average: 550 Damage* (Kill Point 1375)
« Last Edit: April 05, 2009, 08:12:18 PM by Dhyerwolf »
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Re: Suikoden 1
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2007, 07:25:34 PM »
Bosses
Neclord
7500 HP
80 Defense
75 Speed (Below average)
Strong to Lightning, Fire, Wind, and Earth

PC HP: 488 (of Gourry's used PCs)
Damages: Mage Characters have at least one L4 by now, and weapons can be level 15

Physical: 267 Damage, Can Poison (475 Attack Power)
Wave: 164 Wind Magic (270 Magic Power)
MT Thunder: 184 MT Thunder Magic (290 Magic Power)
Invincible until hit with the Star Dragon Sword (this is an automatic thing that happens on Viktor's first turn).

Sonya
~6000 HP
~110 Defense
~150 Speed
Dodges and counters reasonably often.

Strong to Lightning, Earth, Fire, and Wind

PC HP: About 560
Damage: Pretty near endgame here

Physical: ~240 Damage (470 Attack Power)
Water Spell: ~260 Water Magic (380 Magic Power)

Golden Hydra
The heads have variable defenses (I think they're all the same, but the damage was never consistent, even on the same head). It can have from ~40 to ~80 Defense, in my experience.
Slow. Went after Ronnie (<123)

Extrapolated Note from Gourry: Levels here should be a levels higher than in the stat topic, so these are a bit low.
PC HP: 557
Defense: 231
Magic: 99
Speed: 124.5
SD: 30.6

Breath- ~420 Magic Power. Dunno Element. Requires all three heads, I think.

Left Head
~10000 HP
Immune to Wind
Strong to Lightning

Water Spell: Heals right head. Dunno for how much.

Middle Head:
~10000 HP

Strong to Earth and Fire
Immune to Lightning

MT Thunder Attack: ~310 Magic Power.
Rock Attack: ~550 Attack Power

Right Head:
~10000 HP

Immune to Fire
Strong to Lightning

Fire Breath: ~340 Magic Power. MT.
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Re: Suikoden 1
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 01:10:16 AM »
Massive Text Drop from Gourry
Suikoden 1 RPGDL characters
These are taken at level 55, my arbitrarily chosen Suikoden endgame level. In Suikoden, 120 at 55 indicates average-ish stat growth (in other words, it's neither high nor low in the growth range). I'm sure in the actual results, this number will differ, but this is what I'm working with at the moment (since I'm too lazy to calculate the whole cast's averages at the moment). For HP, I found that around 560 is average, though I'm not too sure on this. NEB?

This is only one set of stats, but they didn't vary widely in my two games, so I trust them, generally.

A few notes about the stats themselves... SKL seems to equate itself with evade and hit rate. Magic correlates with magic power (barely), MP (which I don't have at the moment, but they're at suikosource), and magic defense. Luck, as far as I know, has no use. Contrary to popular belief, it has nothing to do with critical rates. Some say that it has to do with who the enemy targets, but this obviously wouldn't transfer in a duel setting.

MP
---
16 MGC - 1/0/0/0
26 MGC - 2/0/0/0
36 MGC - 3/0/0/0
41 MGC - 3/1/0/0
51 MGC - 4/1/0/0
61 MGC - 4/2/0/0
71 MGC - 5/2/0/0
76 MGC - 5/2/1/0
81 MGC - 5/3/1/0
91 MGC - 5/3/2/0
96 MGC - 6/3/2/0
101 MGC - 6/4/2/0
111 MGC - 6/4/3/0
121 MGC - 7/4/3/0
124 MGC - 7/5/3/0
131 MGC - 7/5/4/1
141 MGC - 8/5/4/1
144 MGC - 8/5/4/2
146 MGC - 8/6/4/2
151 MGC - 8/6/5/2
156 MGC - 8/6/5/3
161 MGC - 8/7/5/3
166 MGC - 8/7/6/3
171 MGC - 9/7/6/4
176 MGC - 9/8/6/4
184 MGC - 9/8/6/5
190 MGC - 9/8/7/5
196 MGC - 9/9/7/5
201 MGC - 9/9/7/6
206 MGC - 9/9/8/6
216 MGC - 9/9/8/7
221 MGC - 9/9/9/7

I took levels about 3 levels below endgame. This probably adds around 6-9 points of magic or something to a decent spellcaster (2-3 is the growth, good spellcasters have a higher chance of getting 3s than 2s due to Suikoden's growth system, so keep that in mind), which might up them a tier for charges.

Alen
HP: 639
PWR: 154
SKL: 98
DEF: 139
SPD: 120
MGC: 138
LUK: 124
ATK: 304
DEF: 275
Charges: 7/5/4/1
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings
30% Critical Rate
Physical Average- 486

Rage Rune

Rage
---
Firestorm- 219
Dancing Flames- 469
Explosion- 769
Final Flame- 969

Anji
HP: 634
PWR: 154
SKL: 134
DEF: 98
SPD: 136
MGC: 75
LUK: 77
ATK: 304
DEF: 192
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

24% crit rate
Physical Average: 449

Antonio
HP: 463
PWR: 107
SKL: 106
DEF: 97
SPD: 124
MGC: 56
LUK: 93
ATK: 277
DEF: 236
Silver Hat, Master Robe, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

34% crit rate
Average: 465

Blackman
HP: 585
PWR: 141
SKL: 96
DEF: 160
SPD: 96
MGC: 59
LUK: 92
ATK: 311
DEF: 262
Silver Hat, Full Armor, 2 Guard Rings

20% crit rate
Average: 435

Camille
HP: 566
PWR: 134
SKL: 198
DEF: 113
SPD: 143
MGC: 134
LUK: 102
ATK: 284
DEF: 204
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

32% crit rate
Average: 466

Cleo
HP: 578
PWR: 134
SKL: 156
DEF: 137
SPD: 151
MGC: 155
LUK: 90
ATK: 284
DEF: 228
Charges: 8/6/5/2
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings
32% critical rate.
Physical Average: 466

Fire Rune (plot)

Fire
---
Flaming Arrows- 178
Firestorm- 228
Dancing Flames- 478
Explosion- 778

Clive
HP: 635
PWR: 154
SKL: 194
DEF: 95
SPD: 150
MGC: 75
LUK: 63
ATK: 304
DEF: 189
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings
24% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 450

Crowley
HP: 404
PWR: 80
SKL: 95
DEF: 60
SPD: 130
MGC: 203
LUK: 100
ATK: 210
DEF: 147
9/9/7/6 (I think. I don't remember if the Emblem gives a magic bonus or not offhand)
Locked Master Robe and Emblem
Cyclone Rune

Eikei
HP: 585
PWR: 133
SKL: 125
DEF: 140
SPD: 84
MGC: 38
LUK: 95
ATK: 303
DEF: 234
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

Double-Beat Rune (no duelling purpose)

30% Critical Rate
Average: 485

Eileen
HP: 402
PWR: 86
SKL: 111
DEF: 81
SPD: 150
MGC: 177
LUK: 138
ATK: 236
DEF: 168
Charges: 9/8/6/4
Silver Hat, Master Robe, Star Earrings, Guard Ring

16% crit rate
Average: 312

Earth Rune
---
Clay Guardian
Voice of Earth- 388
Copper Flesh-
Earthquake- 794

Flik
HP: 625
PWR: 157
SKL: 153
DEF: 120
SPD: 153
MGC: 140
LUK: 125
ATK: 307
Charges: 7/5/4/1
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

33% critical rate.
Physical Average: 510

Lightning Rune
---
Angry Blow- 219
Rainstorm- 169
Raging Blow- 669
Ball of Lightning- 1068

Fu Su Lu
HP: 770
PWR: 202
SKL: 60
DEF: 157
SPD: 58
MGC: 39
LUK: 47
ATK: 372
DEF: 251
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

Critical Rate- 8%
Average: 432

Fukien
HP: 409
PWR: 76
SKL: 101
DEF: 115
SPD: 124
MGC: 148 (close to a 5th level 3)
LUK: 143
ATK: 206
DEF: 209
Charges: 8/6/4/2
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

24% critical rate
Average: 305

Resurrection Rune
---
Lv1: Scolding- 144
Lv2: Yell- revival.
Lv3: Scream- Uh, line?
Lv4: Charm Arrow- 574

Fuma
HP: 567
PWR: 138
SKL: 136
DEF: 128
SPD: 153
MGC: 58
LUK: 100
ATK: 288
DEF: 222
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

20% crit rate
Average: 403

Futch
HP: 575
PWR: 140
SKL: 120
DEF: 132
SPD: 158
MGC: 83
LUK: 148
ATK: 290
DEF: 268
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings
32% Critical Rate
Physical: 476

Gen
HP: 628
PWR: 154
SKL: 136
DEF: 121
SPD: 118
MGC: 69
LUK: 126
ATK: 314
DEF: 212
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

32% crit rate
Average: 515

Gon
HP: 511
PWR: 125
SKL: 118
DEF: 138
SPD: 103
MGC: 83
LUK: 193
ATK: 275
DEF: 294
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Gold Necklaces

28% crit rate
Average: 429

Gremio
HP: 515
PWR: 82
SKL: 137
DEF: 152
SPD: 96
MGC: 82
LUK: 133
ATK: 252 (he has an excellent weapon, but poor strength)
DEF: 243
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings
22% critical rate.
Physical Average: 363

Grenseal
HP: 569
PWR: 137
SKL: 113
DEF: 133
SPD: 133
MGC: 150
LUK: 97
ATK: 287
DEF: 269
Charges: 8/6/4/2
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings
36% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 494

Thunder Rune
---
Rainstorm- 174
Raging Blow- 674
Ball of Lightning- 1074
Thunder God- 974

Griffith
HP: 576
PWR: 140
SKL: 98
DEF: 126
SPD: 100
MGC: 86
LUK: 101
ATK: 290
DEF: 262

36% crit rate
Average: 499

Hellion
HP: 363
PWR: 59
SKL: 57
DEF: 93
SPD: 96
MGC: 195 (close to a 9th level 2)
LUK: 120
ATK: 189
DEF: 187
Charges: 9/8/7/5
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

Mother Earth Rune*
Voice of Earth- 395
Copper Flesh-
Earthquake- 795
Guardian of Earth-

Hix
HP: 572
PWR: 137
SKL: 138
DEF: 120
SPD: 133
MGC: 105
LUK: 176
ATK: 287
DEF: 256
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings
30% critical rate.
Physical: 459

Humphrey
HP: 643
PWR: 156
SKL: 108
DEF: 170
SPD: 79
MGC: 56
LUK: 95
ATK: 316
DEF: 272
Silver Hat, Full Armor, 2 Guard Rings
30% critical rate.
Physical Average: 506

Juppo
HP: 458
PWR: 100
SKL: 169
DEF: 121
SPD: 119
MGC: 131
LUK: 145
ATK: 250
DEF: 215
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

32% critical rate
Average: 410

Trick Rune- 375. Usable every round.

Kage
HP: 509
PWR: 118
SKL: 157
DEF: 135
SPD: 175
MGC: 98
LUK: 100
ATK: 268
DEF: 229
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

32% critical rate
Average: 440

Kai
HP: 631
PWR: 155
SKL: 101
DEF: 128
SPD: 83
MGC: 63
LUK: 98
ATK: 313
DEF: 222
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings
Hazy Rune

34% critical rate
Average: 526

Kamandol
HP: 512
PWR: 117
SKL: 174
DEF: 83
SPD: 102
MGC: 115
LUK: 80
ATK: 247
DEF: 177
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

25% critical rate
Average: 371

Kanak
HP: 578
PWR: 137
SKL: 138
DEF: 124
SPD: 157
MGC: 42
LUK: 77
ATK: 287
DEF: 215
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

26% critical rate
Average: 436

Kasim
HP: 678
PWR: 175
SKL: 120
DEF: 155
SPD: 98
MGC: 64
LUK: 82
ATK: 335
DEF: 246
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings
25% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 503

Kasumi
HP: 574
PWR: 140
SKL: 157
DEF: 120
SPD: 195
MGC: 112
LUK: 102
ATK: 290
DEF: 214
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings
Shrike Rune- 540

Kessler
HP: 580
PWR: 137
SKL: 136
DEF: 120
SPD: 99
MGC: 83
LUK: 97
ATK: 307
DEF: 222
Silver Hat, Full Armor, 2 Guard Rings

Critical Rate- 32%
Average: 504

Kirkis
HP: 571
PWR: 137
SKL: 192
DEF: 134
SPD: 152
MGC: 146
LUK: 96
ATK: 292
DEF: 225
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings
Physical Average: 380

15% critical rate. WTF? Ranged users usually have 30%, at least.

Kimberly
HP: 520
PWR: 118
SKL: 154
DEF: 118
SPD: 144
MGC: 81
LUK: 135
ATK: 268
DEF: 212
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

24% crit rate
Average: 397

Kirke
HP: 574
PWR: 138
SKL: 128
DEF: 120
SPD: 95
MGC: 79
LUK: 43
ATK: 298
DEF: 211
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

24% crit rate
Average: 441

Kreutz
HP: 639
PWR: 160
SKL: 106
DEF: 156
SPD: 58
MGC: 53
LUK: 62
ATK: 320
DEF: 303
Silver Hat, Full Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

20% crit rate
Average: 448

Krin
HP: 456
PWR: 90
SKL: 147
DEF: 75
SPD: 200
MGC: 53
LUK: 58
ATK: 240
DEF: 169
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings
32% critical rate.
Sucks ass.
Physical Average: 394

Kuromimi
HP: 572
PWR: 138
SKL: 111
DEF: 132
SPD: 133
MGC: 76
LUK: 138
ATK: 288
DEF: 288
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Gold Necklaces
33% critical rate
Physical Average: 478

Kwanda
HP: 628
PWR: 156
SKL: 97
DEF: 202 (game best)
SPD: 74
MGC: 59
LUK: 95
ATK: 326
DEF: 349!
Silver Hat, Full Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings
12% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 404

Leonardo
HP: 638
PWR: 151
SKL: 92
DEF: 123
SPD: 119
MGC: 58
LUK: 65
ATK: 321
DEF: 214
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

16% crit rate
Average: 424

Lepant
HP: 575
PWR: 142
SKL: 141
DEF: 124
SPD: 119
MGC: 101
LUK: 113
ATK: 292
DEF: 260
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

33% critical rate
Average: 485

Lester
HP: 505
PWR: 124
SKL: 126
DEF: 103
SPD: 134
MGC: 65
LUK: 132
ATK: 294
DEF: 242
Silver Hat, Master Robe, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

32% crit rate
Physical Average: 482

Liukan
HP: 454
PWR: 103
SKL: 172
DEF: 95
SPD: 123
MGC: 122
LUK: 138
ATK: 233
DEF: 234
Silver Hat, Master Robe, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

32% critical rate
Average: 382

Lorelai
HP: 571
PWR: 142
SKL: 180
DEF: 118
SPD: 100
MGC: 78
LUK: 80
ATK: 297
DEF: 254
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

26% crit rate
Average: 452

Lotte
HP: 464
PWR: 93
SKL: 121
DEF: 102
SPD: 137
MGC: 172 (close to an 8th level 2)
LUK: 120
ATK: 223
DEF: 193
Charges: 9/7/6/4
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

Earth Rune
Clay Guardian
Voice of Earth- 386
Copper Flesh
Earthquake- 786

Luc
HP: 307 (game worst)
PWR: 38 (game worst)
SKL: 132
DEF: 55 (game worst)
SPD: 152
MGC: 197 (212)
LUK: 59
ATK: 168
DEF: 117
9/9/7/5
Silver Hat, Guard Robe, Speed Ring, Guard Ring
He has locked Guard Robe and Speed Ring equips, so they affect his speed and magic accordingly (I don't know what a Speed Ring's bonuses are offhand, though). The locked equips also give him poor defense in a relative sense.
Wind Rune
28% critical rate.

Wind Rune
---
Wind of Sleep- SLEEP.
The Shredding- 506
Healing Wind- HEAL.
Storm- 606

Maas
HP: 516
PWR: 113
SKL: 137
DEF: 120
SPD: 114
MGC: 81
LUK: 121
ATK: 263
DEF: 211

32% crit rate
Average: 431

Mace
HP: 628
PWR: 157
SKL: 159
DEF: 158
SPD: 135
MGC: 96
LUK: 135
ATK: 293 (307)
DEF: 249
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

36% critical rate
Physical: 504

Meese
HP: 514
PWR: 117
SKL: 137
DEF: 121
SPD: 120
MGC: 88
LUK: 123
ATK: 267
DEF: 212
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

36%
Average: 459

Meg
HP: 506
PWR: 124
SKL: 139
DEF: 128
SPD: 119
MGC: 117
LUK: 204
ATK: 274
DEF: 192
Silver Hat, Guard Robe, 2 Guard Rings
31% critical rate.
Physical Average: 444

Trick Rune- 411. Usable every round.

Milia
HP: 633
PWR: 154
SKL: 101
DEF: 147
SPD: 96
MGC: 57
LUK: 114
ATK: 304
DEF: 283
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings

Milich
HP: 583
PWR: 143
SKL: 122
DEF: 141
SPD: 119
MGC: 157
LUK: 67
ATK: 293
DEF: 275
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, Rose Brooch, Guard Ring
32% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 480

Mina
HP: 406
PWR: 78
SKL: 118
DEF: 115
SPD: 121
MGC: 159
LUK: 160
ATK: 236
DEF: 188
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, Toe Shoes, Guard Ring

28%
Average: 368

Moose
HP: 512
PWR: 126
SKL: 154
DEF: 114
SPD: 120
MGC: 77
LUK: 116
ATK: 276
DEF: 205
Silver Hat, Dragon Robe, 2 Guard Rings

32%
Average: 453

Morgan
HP: 638
PWR: 156
SKL: 97
DEF: 139
SPD: 73
MGC: 47
LUK: 67
ATK: 326
DEF: 233

Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings
Counter Rune

32%
Average: 535

Mose
HP: 571
PWR: 132
SKL: 139
DEF: 137
SPD: 118
MGC: 64
LUK: 106
ATK: 282
DEF: 228
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

12%
Average: 350

Pahn
HP: 687
PWR: 188
SKL: 141
DEF: 154
SPD: 83
MGC: 43
LUK: 123
ATK: 358
DEF: 248
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings
Boar Rune*- 716. Causes unbalance
32% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 587

Pesmerga
HP: 754
PWR: 195
SKL: 81
DEF: 157
SPD: 97
MGC: 65
LUK: 43
ATK: 355
DEF: 293
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor*, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings
Counter Rune*
12% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 440

Quincy
HP: 517
PWR: 122
SKL: 202
DEF: 138
SPD: 139
MGC: 80
LUK: 136
ATK: 272
DEF: 232
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

27%
Average: 419

Ronnie Bell
HP: 627
PWR: 154
SKL: 113
DEF: 154
SPD: 106
MGC: 39 (game worst)
LUK: 91
ATK: 324
DEF: 248
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings
Hate Rune- 972
16% critical rate.

Rubi
HP: 583
PWR: 135
SKL: 147
DEF: 119
SPD: 151
MGC: 159
LUK: 44
ATK: 290
DEF: 210
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

29% Critical
Average: 458

Sansuke
HP: 463
PWR: 102
SKL: 136
DEF: 137
SPD: 123
MGC: 56
LUK: 114
ATK: 262
DEF: 231
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

8/25
Average: 439

Sarah
HP: 573
PWR: 141
SKL: 100
DEF: 143
SPD: 103
MGC: 120
LUK: 73
ATK: 291
DEF: 237
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

30%
Average: 466

Sergei
HP: 411
PWR: 78
SKL: 158
DEF: 151
SPD: 99
MGC: 77
LUK: 88
ATK: 208
DEF: 245
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings

30%
Average: 333

Sheena
HP: 580
PWR: 139
SKL: 120
DEF: 136
SPD: 146
MGC: 151
LUK: 148
ATK: 289
DEF: 227
Charges: 8/6/5/2
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings
20% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 405

Lightning Rune
---
Angry Blow- 225
Rainstorm- 175
Raging Blow- 675
Ball of Lightning- 1075

Sonya
HP: 629
PWR: 152
SKL: 142
DEF: 128
SPD: 177
MGC: 140
LUK: 109
ATK: 302
DEF: 270
Charges: 7/5/4/1
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, Crimson Cape*, Guard Rings
28% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 471

Water Rune

Water Rune
---
Drops of Kindness- Full Healing
Fog of Deception- Decreases target's accuracy?
Water of Kindness- Heals 300.
Rain of Kindness- Heals 300.

Stallion
HP: 456
PWR: 105
SKL: 147
DEF: 135
SPD: 188 (198)
MGC: 120
LUK: 116
ATK: 260
DEF: 225?
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Winged Boots*, Guard Ring
True Holy Rune (no effect in battle)
27% critical rate.
Physical Average: 400

Sydonia
HP: 505
PWR: 124
SKL: 160
DEF: 96
SPD: 157
MGC: 94
LUK: 78
ATK: 274
DEF: 190

32%
Average: 450

Sylvina
HP: 463
PWR: 103
SKL: 135
DEF: 122
SPD: 153
MGC: 138
LUK: 150
ATK: 258
DEF: 216
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings
20% Critical Rate
Physical Average: 361

Tai Ho
HP: 630
PWR: 155
SKL: 166
DEF: 98
SPD: 134
MGC: 75
LUK: 120
ATK: 305
DEF: 192
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings
18% critical rate.
Physical Average: 415

Tengaar
HP: 457
PWR: 94
SKL: 149
DEF: 124
SPD: 132
MGC: 188
LUK: 84
ATK: 224
DEF: 218
Charges: 9/8/6/5
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Robes

32%
Average: 367

Tir
HP: 626
PWR: 150
SKL: 172
DEF: 138
SPD: 168 (6th fastest, barring Odessa)
MGC: 154
LUK: 153
ATK: 308
DEF: 229
8/6/5/2
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings
28% critical rate
Physical Average: 481

Soul Eater [Tir halves all elements]
---
Deadly Fingertips - 100% ID.
Black Shadow - 377 damage, MT.
Hell - 100% ID, multitarget.
Judgment - 1577 damage (essentially non-elemental)

Valeria
HP: 635
PWR: 156
SKL: 127
DEF: 153
SPD: 109
MGC: 105
LUK: 111
ATK: 306
DEF: 289
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Earth Shield, 2 Guard Rings
Falcon Rune. 918.
24% critical rate (useless)

Varkas
HP: 630
PWR: 166
SKL: 96
DEF: 137
SPD: 103
MGC: 61
LUK: 81
ATK: 336
DEF: 239
Silver Hat, Full Armor, 2 Guard Rings

12%
Average: 417

Viktor
HP: 584
PWR: 169
SKL: 81
DEF: 169
SPD: 125
MGC: 93
LUK: 118
ATK: 354
DEF: 260
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings
20% critical rate
Physical Average: 496

Warren
HP: 582
PWR: 140
SKL: 118
DEF: 142
SPD: 98
MGC: 83
LUK: 97
ATK: 290
DEF: 233
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Guard Rings

28%
Average: 452

Yam Koo
HP: 577
PWR: 137
SKL: 156
DEF: 103
SPD: 156
MGC: 77
LUK: 123
ATK: 287
DEF: 197
Silver Hat, Master Robe, 2 Guard Rings
32% critical rate.
Physical Average: 471

Just for kicks...
Odessa
HP: 579
PWR: 134
SKL: 193
DEF: 134
SPD: 194
MGC: 163
LUK: 156
ATK: 289
Charges: 8/7/5/3
Wind Rune-
Yikes.

Ted
HP: 567
PWR: 135
SKL: 171
DEF: 112
SPD: 154
MGC: 170
LUK: 122
ATK: 290
Yikes, to a lesser extent.
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Re: Suikoden 1
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2008, 07:10:09 AM »
Because we need this posted as well.

Quote from: Dark Holy Elf
S1 evasion tests!

I am lazy and in theory the game deserves much more work than this.

My PCs are slightly above Gourry's levels, but I find this reasonable; Level 55 is a bit low for S1 endgame. Tests were against Phantoms, the most common random in the final dungeon. I did enough extra (unrecorded here) tests against both kinds of Imperial Guards, the other common final dungeon randoms to be sure they aren't widely different at accuracy.

Went with three PCs, one with awesome SKL, one average, and one... well, we know about him.

Kirkis - 203 SKL - 20/40. 50% dodge rate
Milich - 125 SKL - 0/20. (Though, he did dodge once before I started forma testing)
Viktor - 84 SKL - 0/20.

I don't know why Kirkis was targetted so much more. Could be a bias towards long range attackers on the part of the enemy. Or bizarre luck. I did mess with the order a couple times to see if that would shake things up, but the 2:1:1 ratio of targetting roughly held throughout.

Viktor is a bit above average, Kirkis a bit below average, and Milich well below average at Luck, if this means anything. It could.

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Re: Suikoden 1
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2008, 08:23:28 AM »
Just noting this down, if we use those tested figures and interpolate between them we can get an estimate on evasion rate.  This assumes only SKL factors into it, that the rate is linear (or near-linear), and that the 125 is the actual "0% evasion" mark.  As such, this isn't going to be exact, but it's probably the best thing we've got to go on until someone cracks the mechanics.

eva = (SKL-125)/156

Just putting this here so I don't have to calculate it again.

Another thing.  The damages in the stat topic seem to assume no defense for physicals.  Is this the case with magic as well?  And it would be better to make damages against average defenses anyways.

One more note: Physical damage is equal to PWR before defense factors in.  Crits are 3x damage.  This is notable because the stat topic only lists "physical averages" which means they're inaccurate for damage by turn (so a 33% crit rate would deal less damage on turns 1 and 2 and more damage on turn 3 for most people).  It's also annoying as hell to figure out for RPGmon rolling purposes when this isn't mentioned anywhere.  It also should lower the damage average some by my views (and maybe a notable amount of other people, I don't know how many factor in crits in general), though probably not by much.
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Re: Suikoden 1
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2008, 06:29:34 AM »
I 100% stole all numbers in this topic! I have no idea what was tested on, but I will note about the Physical power thing.

Crits...well, I think anything about 22% crit rate goes off on turn 3. I'm not going to math out another average, but if someone wants to, I will include it with the other averages info.
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Re: Suikoden 1
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2008, 06:33:04 AM »
Crits are 3x damage, not 2x. Note Alen having just over 300 Pwr, but averaging just over 480 damage with a 30% crit rate. (If it were 2x, the crit rate would need to be 60% to accomplish that).

This also applies to S2, but not subsequent Suikos. S3 they are 2x Attack (not 2x damage) and 3x Attack sometimes if you have Heavy Damage; S4-S5 they are 2x damage.

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Re: Suikoden 1
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2008, 02:00:21 PM »
Y'know, I keep bringing this up, but...  Wouldn't all the S1 women want Wing Boots?

I'm sure they wouldn't mind giving up 2 DEF (Wing Boots offer 14 DEF compared to Guard Ring's 15 DEF) for 20 more SPD.

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Re: Suikoden 1
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2008, 03:03:20 PM »
Crits are 3x damage, not 2x. Note Alen having just over 300 Pwr, but averaging just over 480 damage with a 30% crit rate. (If it were 2x, the crit rate would need to be 60% to accomplish that).

This also applies to S2, but not subsequent Suikos. S3 they are 2x Attack (not 2x damage) and 3x Attack sometimes if you have Heavy Damage; S4-S5 they are 2x damage.

...actually, the 2x was a typo.  >.>  Oops!

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Re: Suikoden 1
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2008, 09:48:52 PM »
This also applies to S2, but not subsequent Suikos. S3 they are 2x Attack (not 2x damage) and 3x Attack sometimes if you have Heavy Damage; S4-S5 they are 2x damage.

Hmm? This is admittedly off-topic, but I'm quite sure SV crits can be 3x as well 2x damage, NEB.

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Re: Suikoden 1
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2008, 04:44:59 AM »
Oh, yeah, they can. Similar situation to S3 except with damage instead of attack.

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Re: Suikoden 1
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2008, 11:52:23 PM »
Bosses from the old forum.

From Gourry

Yay. The bosses themselves aren't very important (well, except Neclord and the Golden Hydra) in the DL, but the conclusions I've drawn from making these notes are pretty interesting.

I didn't overlevel, but I always assume best accessory/weapon options. I also used some random people to test for elemental weaknesses (which explains Luc and Eileen at times).

Strong to an element means that the boss halves it. Weak to an element means that the damage taken is doubled.

Windboy's Golem
~300 HP
2 Defense
~15 SPD or so.

Attacks/Abilities
---
Rock Throw: 40 Attack Power.
Quake: 25 Attack Power (magic).
Randomly nulls physical damage (1/15).

Tir/Gremio/Pahn/Cleo/Ted
HP: 40/38/51/38/35
Defense: 32/28/30/26/17
Magic: 18/11/5/27/20

Average physical damage on him is 28. Pahn's Boar Rune does 70, and the Talisman Unite does 130. I didn't buy anything new (which is the main reason why there's such a disparity in defenses), and I was level 3 when I fought him.

Queen Ant
??? HP
35 Defense
Slower than Pahn (< 19)
Earth spell: ~50 Attack Power (magic)

Tir/Gremio/Pahn/Cleo/Ted
HP: 72/62/86/65/62 (69)
Magic: 28/16/8/37/32 (24)

2HKOs PAHN! Shit, man. But Ted Hells it, so it can be IDed! w00t.

Varkas
~210 HP
15 Defense
Varkas goes after everyone.
Physical: 75 Attack Power.

Tir/Gremio/Pahn/Cleo/Ted
HP: 72/62/86/65/62
Average Defense: ~45

Sydonia
~130-140 HP
10 Defense
Sydonia goes before everyone.
Halves Fire.

Physical: 65 attack power.

Zombie Dragon
~3500-3600 HP
10 Defense
~55 Speed
Weak to Fire

Bite: 175 Attack Power. Prone to missing high SKL characters (tried against Cleo twice. Missed twice)
Breath: ~120 Magic Power

Tir/Gremio/Viktor/Cleo/Camille/Tai Ho
HP: 168/137/303/150/147/170 (180)
Defense: 80/81/83/73/66/60 (74)
Magic: 72/46/50/83/70/46 (61)
Speed: 67/40/46/57/59/50

Your average damage on him is roughly 50 with physicals. Cleo can do some damage to him with fire (280 with Flaming Arrows, more with Firestorm), so she's the major damage dealer here. He takes a while to kill.

Assassin
"Tir, I'll take that rune on your right hand. Give it to me!"
Tir criticalled him twice, and hit him normally once. He has at least 330 HP.
Slower than Tir
Retreats after the third turn.

Attacks/Abilities
---
Shuriken: ~120 (22) ATK
Slash: ~130 (32) ATK
KICKASS DEATH ANIMATION

Worst Assassin ever.

Lv19 Tir
HP: 212
Speed: 83
DEF: 98

Gigantes
~4000 HP
30 Defense
Slower than Gremio (<56)
Immune to Fire.
Weak to Wind.

Attacks/Abilities
Physical: ~270 Attack Power. Has trouble hitting Valeria. Saw him hit Tir once after 3 tries.
Fire Attack: ~120 Magic Power. MT
Sometimes nulled physicals (2/27)

Lv24 Tir/Cleo/Valeria/Luc/Kirkis/Gremio
HP: 269/242/276/107/241/217
DEF: 130/127/137/68/123/134
Magic: 81/90/61/133/75/44
Speed: 94/81/64/93/82/56

The Shredding from Luc was doing 932 a shot. Falcon Rune was doing 300 or so, and average physical damage was 100. He falls relatively fast, but that's mainly due to a wind weakness. But even without, I three turned him with normal physicals (due to a few lucky crits, to be fair).

His damage isn't terrible (2HKO with the physical), but he can't hit shit.

Dragon
~6000 HP
40 Defense
Slower than Gremio (<60)
Weak to Wind

Attacks/Abilities
Thunder Attack: ~160 Magic Power. ST.
Fire Breath: ~120 Magic Power. MT
Takes 50% more from Projectiles.

Lv26 Viktor/Valeria/Kuromimi/Tir/Kirkis/Gremio
HP: 419/299/250/293/264/236 (294)
DEF: 131/143/126/134/127/138 (132)
MAG: 52/65/41/86/79/46 (62)
SPD: 68/67/71/99/86/60

Falcon Rune does 300 or so, and the rest of the party is stuck with physicals (~100). The only real mage person you could have at this point is Kirkis, and I didn't feel like switching runes with him (I had water on him). He's not hard, but he lasts a little while. He has rather unimpressive damage, though.

Kwanda vs. Tir
Kwanda Rosman
~270-280 HP
150 Attack Power
75 Defense

Lv28 Tir
316 HP
140 ATK
138 DEF

Teo McDohl vs. Pahn
~350-380 HP
114 + 114 + 28 + 28
300 ATK
160 DEF

Pahn
374 HP
207 ATK
173 DEF

Pirate Trio
Anji
~2000 HP
~295 ATK
70 Defense
Goes after Tai Ho

Kanak
~2200 HP
~245 ATK
70 Defense
Goes after Tai Ho
Weak to Fire

Leonardo
~1500 HP
~265 ATK
60 Defense
Goes before Tai Ho
Weak to Lightning

Lv30 Tir/Tai Ho/Flik/Yam Koo/Hellion/Cleo
HP: 350/319/373/291/185/318
DEF: 167/131/153/132/116/156
SPD: 117/85/112/106/56/102

Teo McDohl vs. Tir
~160 HP (He has double this, roughly, since he starts out injured)
~240 ATK
~115 DEF

Tir
396 HP
201 ATK
175 DEF

Neclord
7500 HP
80 Defense
Strong to Lightning, Fire, Wind, and Earth

Physical: 475 Attack Power. Can poison.
Wave: ~270 Magic Power. Wind.
MT Thunder: ~290 Magic Power.
Invincible until hit with the Star Dragon Sword (this is an automatic thing that happens on Viktor's first turn).

Lv44 Valeria/Viktor/Hix/Cleo/Kirkis/Tir
HP: 505/532/458/464/455/514 (488)
ATK: 266/317/252/245/244/268
DEF: 226/217/211/200/192/201 (208)
MAG: 89/79/82/138/115/130 (106)

This is functionally the same as plot Neclord, except you have better weapons (probably. Unless you just sat around and got level 15 weapons before doing the plot sequence. Not that this matters, since you can't damage him much anyhow, except for stuff like Shrike, apparently), and a couple more levels.

Crystal Core
Form 1: 5000 HP
Form 2: 5000 HP
80 Defense
Slower than Humphrey.
Strong to Fire, Wind, and Lightning
Weak to Earth

First Form Attacks
---
Physical: 375 Attack Power

Second Form Attacks
---
MeteorShower thing: ~280 Magic Power. Fire?

~Lv50
Tir/Flik/Humphrey/Cleo/Eileen/Milia
HP: 573/560/576/508/361/578
ATK: 278/278/286/252/203/281
DEF: 201/232/252/208/132/244
MAG: 140/127/59/146/159/53

Shell Venus
~15000 HP
30 DEF
Slower than Viktor (<122)
Strong to Fire, Wind,
Weak to Earth and Lightning

Attacks/Abilities
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Physical: ~450 Attack Power
MT Thunder Attack: ~360 Magic Power

Lv54 Tir/Viktor
HP: 620/574
ATK: 288/331
DEF: 218/237
MAG: 150/91

PH33R, and such.

Sonya
~6000 HP
~110 Defense
~150 Speed
Dodges and counters reasonably often.

Strong to Lightning, Earth, Fire, and Wind

Lv55 Tir/Viktor
HP: 631/580
DEF: 220/239
MAG: 152/93

Blah, I'm lazy. Go look at the stat topic. HP average is roughly 560, and average MAG is 120.

Physical: ~470 Attack Power
Water Spell: ~380 Magic Power.

Ain Gide
~8000 HP

Strong to Fire and Lightning

Physical: ~495 Attack Power
Fire Attack- ~410 Attack Power. MT

This is at endgame, and I'm lazy.

Golden Hydra
The heads have variable defenses (I think they're all the same, but the damage was never consistent, even on the same head). It can have from ~40 to ~80 Defense, in my experience.
Slow. Went after Ronnie (<123)

Breath- ~420 Magic Power. Dunno Element. Requires all three heads, I think.

Left Head
~10000 HP
Immune to Wind
Strong to Lightning

Water Spell: Heals right head. Dunno for how much.

Middle Head:
~10000 HP

Strong to Earth and Fire
Immune to Lightning

MT Thunder Attack: ~310 Magic Power.
Rock Attack: ~550 Attack Power

Right Head:
~10000 HP

Immune to Fire
Strong to Lightning

Fire Breath: ~340 Magic Power. MT.

I'm lazy, but your guys are probably level 58 or thereabouts, so they're slightly better than what I listed in the stat topic.

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Re: Suikoden 1
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2009, 11:47:24 PM »
(From PsySlaver)

A recent finding at Suikosource indicates the elemental affinity that S1 characters apparently have. Probably doesn't matter much in a DL setting, but it's interesting anyway. Copy/paste:

This is a complete list of characters with natural elements on their normal attacks.
Normal attacks that hit an enemy who is weak against the element deal 1.5x damage.
Unites and rune command attacks (such as Boar Rune) take advantage of the damage bonus as well.

Any attached elemental Rune Piece replaces any natural element.

Against enemies who are strong against the element, they take normal damage from the Attack.

Fire
Alen

Water
Sonya

Wind
Clive
Eileen
Flik
Fuma
Juppo
Kirkis
Lorelai
Krin
Meg
Odessa?
Rubi
Sarah
Stallion
Sydonia
Sylvina
Ted?
Tengaar

Earth
Blackman

Lightning
Grenseal
Quincy

Non-elemental
Anji
Antonio
Camille
Cleo
Crowley
Eikei
Fu Su Lu
Fukien
Futch
Gen
Gon
Gremio
Griffith
Hellion
Hix
Humphrey
Kage
Kai
Kamandol
Kanak
Kasim
Kasumi
Kessler
Kimberly
Kirke
Kreutz
Kuromimi
Kwanda
Leonardo
Lepant
Lester
Liukan
Lotte
Luc
Maas
Mace
McDohl
Meese
Milia
Milich
Mina
Moose
Morgan
Mose
Pahn
Pesmerga
Ronnie
Sansuke
Sergei
Sheena
Tai Ho
Valeria
Varkas
Viktor
Warren
Yam Koo
...into the nightfall.