I want to point this out, and make sure it is as clear as possible, since this is central to my current issue with the trio of Xanth, Alex and Kiro.
Simply put, with the way the events unfolded at the end of the day, there was absolutely no bussing involved.
Check this. Cath's vote count that says there is .5 hour or so remaining comes at 2:28.
The important votes stand at Xanth (Alex, Tom, Me) and Sopko (Cid, Excal, Strago, Corwin, Kilga).
Kiro posts at 2:56, points out the futility of Sopko's situation and says he's standing by. He is not heard from again.
Xanth responds to me 2:56. Says he is all for voting Sopko over himself (even if he isn't a preferred case), but opts not to put a vote down at that point. About 3 minutes later (2:59), Xanth puts down an incorrect vote for Sopko. No big deal.
3:02, Alex posts, points a bizarre finger at Kilga (missed him voting for Sopko, or misunderstood Kilga's admitted wishy-washy tone not two posts up) and claims willingness to hammer.
Keep in mind, here, that taken at exactly 48 hours, we are ~3 minutes off the deadline (day started at 3:05) and already past the baseline time in Carth's vote count. Basically, barring any miracle or hugely bizarre turn of events, the day is over and Sopko is getting lynched.
About 40 seconds later, he tosses down a vote on Sopko.
About 3 minutes later, Xanth posts once more, laying down the actual hammer vote.
What does all that amount to?
By the time Kiro, Alex and Xanth started acting, outside of some veritable miracle, the day was decided. If you look, between the three of them, the vote count could not be shifted away from Sopko. Xanth couldn't do anything but push Sopko further along , Alex was already voting Xanth and Kiro couldn't make up the two vote deficit that Xanth had. Unless one other person shifted a vote to Xanth at that point, then Sopko was getting lynched.
The only other people demonstratably around and paying attention? Myself (already voting for Xanth) and Kilga (voting for Soppy, but had just switched there in the very recent future and would require convincing).
So, what is the grand point of this breakdown? That it is reasonable to consider all three of Xanth, Alex and Kiro as possible scum. When all three of them acted, the day was, for all intents and purposes, decided. Soppy was getting lynched. In other words, even as scum, by waiting until the VERY last minute, they could well have insured that Soppy was going down before they committed to voting against him. They didn't vote until it was "safe" for them to hop on Sopko.
Which brings me back to Alex.
Far as myself, I did say I was starting to look at Sopko, and when I woke up boom, case on him already was made. I guess you can vote me for my sleeping schedule if you like, or say that it is somehow scummier for me to be on the Sopko vote at the end than, yknow, NOT be on it, but that strikes me as a pretty bad WIFOM argument and not something I can defend against anyhow.
Actually, my question, Alex! I have no problem with you coming out with a case only to find it had already been made. That happens. However, you wake up while he four votes, say that you were going to propose moving towards Soppy, it had already been done and that you've got a large scum vibe from him. Then... you disappear until 3:02. Your original post was 1:37. So, my problem is not with your sleeping schedule. My problem is you come out with this idea that you wanted to propose a vote on Sopko, LEAVE YOUR VOTE ON XANTH, and disappear, only to revote at the very last minute.
Why? Everything about your post indicates that you want to move towards Sopko, but you... don't. You say the case has been made, you've got a scum vibe from him and leave it at that.
Kiro: Fair enough, for the moment. You aren't fully off the hook, but Alex is bothering me more at the moment.
##Unvote: Kiro
##Vote: AlexNinja Edit: Tons of ninja action, but I want to get this posted first.
