So just for clarity, Alex's vote on me is for all the same reasons as Kilga's?
I don't really like how he's shoving off his own defense in favor of everyone piling on me, but I guess I can be accused of the same with Excal. Speaking of Excal, he's completely left now so I'm stranded with that; if not doubly so because he's completely ignored it. This is why I hate scumhunting, it never yields me any results.
Andrew: I didn't pick up on your nitpick against Excal because I simply didn't bother to look back to it and add it to my case as ZOMG PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS TOO.
So in the end, Bardiche still stands out. His views are pretty inconclusive if not hard to understand in his posts and I disagree with his Excal vote reasoning and the case in general. He reiterated that case twice before, but I think it's wrong.
What do you think is wrong about it?
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So bottom-line here is, I don't really have anything else to respond to Kilga, because he's ended that talk with "Well you should never ever lynch town under any circumstances", which I disagree with. And Alex, who's apparently just parroting Kilga's case and thus means I have nothing to say to him as well.
Then Strago,
In particular, there's that part I bolded, where Bardiche seems to pretty deliberately re-write the history of Soppy's lynch, since Excal jumped on that train significantly before it was popular and when another person supporting the Xanth lynch would not, it seems to me, have been seen as all that weird or scummy.
I saw it as reading the writing on the wall. Realizing, "Crap, Sopko did something incredibly stupid here... there's no way to distract people from Xanth now!" Not to mention there were people already voicing their support for a Sopko lynch/suspicions with Sopko around that time.
I also don't really have much to respond to with Kiro since his reasons for voting me boil down into, "You're just wrong." Or to me, at least. Read his reasons as you will.
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So my Excal case is going nowhere, because my suspect didn't find it important enough to comment on before leaving and has left, there's nothing really I can say back to my attackers anymore since... Well, I disagree with their assaults on me, but sure fine. Short of claiming there's little I can do at this juncture and so I will ignore it until such a time someone presents something I can actually respond to.
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Xanth's voting record thing is fun, but had people consented to a hammer earlier I'd have hammered Day 2 so that's my defense for not having a vote anywhere when the hammer fell.
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So I really dislike Alex's, Strago's and Kiro's reasons for voting on me because one is a parrot, the other dislikes my case and the observation I am posting in my defense right now rather than trying to veer people off it with an alternate case and the last one doesn't even give any solid reason at all that doesn't go farther than, "Yeah, he's vague" (post examples, if you would?) and "His case is wrong".
Well then! Let's take a better look at Kiro.
Here is a Day 2 post which is a recap. People are fine with it, though, so I'm not going to go too much into it except that if Kiro's going to discount me for it, he should discount himself for it as well.
Scum would be forced to bus in that instance and they would do it to save face.
This comment in a later post now strikes odd to me. Here he's almost saying that scum was on the Sopko bus, because they'd have to do it to save face. This by itself is not odd, but the fact he wasn't on the Sopko train makes me wonder. Almost like saying, "Hay guiz, I wasn't on the Sopko train but it's cool, scum's bussed him so it's almost certainly someone that voted Soppy."
I'd have to give the copclaim greater weight though. It's something that isn't up to misinterpretation, given it's a mod reported Guilty result. Alex has committed himself and Town has to follow through. Looks like we're all waiting for the procedural last words from Tom.
Here he does the same again, implying that Alex can't possibly be lying "Isn't up to misinterpretation, given it's a mod reported Guilty result", even when we have no guarantee of that actually being mod given. Also states Town has to follow through, but in the same post
here, he more or less implies that he doesn't think of Tom as Scum. In fact, he never quite made it clear whether or not he thinks Tom should be lynched/is scum, and oddly enough more-or-less condemns Alex in that post.
In the end, all that Kiro's done up to this point is comment on the cases made by other people while never taking a real definite stance on any of them, only solidly placing a vote on me for undisclosed and/or vague reasons, the last one being the very thing he condemns me for and cites as a reason to vote me.
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this post, he gets another pass from everyone, despite that the entire first paragraph contains little opinion and is mostly a rehash of what he's said. At this point I assume the concerns against my playstyle are mostly derived from metagame.
On my reread, I did take note of Andrew a little more. Andrew did vote Xanth to L-1 a little unexpectedly. Sopko also endorsed one of his posts once, and while that's completely on Sopko, it's a possible scum link to consider. His Day 2 stuff looks better. Andrew's first case on Day 2 about Alex/Xanth/myself isn't a bad one though. Checking Alex for his timing of the vote continued that case down the line after me, but pretty much everything retracted after the copclaim. I don't think the issue regarding the Tom hammer is a big deal because anyone on or not on the wagon is kind of moot due to the reliance of the copclaim. So suspicion was kinda there, but hasn't noticeably increased with his Day 2 actions.
Finally he has this gem right before leading up to the conclusion that I need to be voted, and it tells me nothing at all. Suspicion was 'kinda' there, but in the end he concludes that nothing's changed since Day 1? His Day 2 actions didn't ramp up suspicion for Kiro.
This is all great, but as I said, he's been hardcore lurking, votes on me for inexplicable reasons and has been generally coasting off of everyone else's cases, with the only really original content he brings up being, "I don't really sort of suspect Andrew".
