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Suikoden 2
« on: December 18, 2007, 07:26:55 PM »
1. MAJOR NOTE: Since endgame ranges from 55-60, and these are taken at the lower end of the scale, there are several characters who stand to gain more MP at higher levels. This is really important as it gives Tengaar and Flik another L4, and Vincent an L4 and a second L3.

2. Riou, Amada, Anita, Chaco, Clive, Eilie, Flik, Freed, Futch, Gabocha, Hix, Jowy, Karen, Kasumi, Killey, Kinnison, Koyu, LC Chan, Lo Wen, Luc, Mazus, Tir, Meg, Millie, Nanami, Nina, Rina, Sheena, Shin, Sid, Sierra, Simone, Tai Ho, Tengaar, Tsai, Valeria, Viki, Viktor, Vincent and Wakaba all Halve Darkness and regen 15 HP with their default helms. For a loss of 16 defense, they can get 3!!! Additional speed and Wind halving.

Sheena regens a total of 20 default with his starting accessory, Mazus halves Ice/Water with his defense saving armor, Lorelai halves Thunder, Miklotov halves Fire, Freed halves Ice/Water, and Georg halves Dark and regens 10 HP.

3. Averages! I'll be listing several. The first is stars only, the second is stars+temps (Really only affects damage), the third is everyone (stars, temps and losers).

HP: 551 (551) (541)
Def: 216/206* (216/206)* (217/No clue)
Mdef: 123 (123) (
Spd: 130 for all
Standard Deviaion: 28.7 (28.8) 28.7
Tech: 132 (133)

*Fire Emblem Average

4. Damages- Again, straight scale and Rune scales. Also, males can opt for Fire Emblems, which trade speed for defense. They are accessories, which could be viewed in the SH manner. Most physical males want these. Another big note is that the straight scale for S2 is incredibly low (Use it and Flik has 1.1 PC HP damage!!)
Straight (No More Runes) Scale: 492 (519 with Temps) (1230/1298 KO Points)
Fire Emblems & Straight Scale: 524 (550 with Tempes) (1310/1375 KO Points)
L4 Average: 550 (575) (1350/1438 KO)
L4 and Fire Emblems: 576 (600) (1440/1500 KO)
MAJOR NOTE: I was more restrictive in who got runes. I cut out over half the people who got L4s (Generally needed to have a good affinity or have multiple slots).


Amada
HP: 687 
TECH: 98 
SPEED: 95 
M DEF: 99 
ATK: 283
DEF: 219 (195)
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes (3 Fire Emblems)

20% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average- 396 (459)

Anita
HP: 578 
TECH: 151 
SPEED: 131 
M DEF: 134 
ATK: 284
DEF: 247
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Capes

Falcon Rune- 560
Falcon Critical- 1420
Falcon Critical Rate- 20%

Bolgan
HP: 630
TECH: 79 
SPEED: 67 
M DEF: 97 
ATK: 302
DEF: 227 (203)
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes (3 Fire Emblems)

Fire Breath Rune*- 600 damage (fire element, I suppose). Causes Unbalance. (694)

20% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average- 423 (486)

Camus
HP: 508 
TECH: 137
MAGIC: 114
SPEED: 133 
M DEF: 114 
ATK: 277
DEF: 260
Charges: 7/4/2/1
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Capes (One is locked)
8/4/2/1

Rage Rune*
---
1. Fire Wall- 264
2. Dancing Flames- 414
3. Explosion- 814
4. Final Flame- 1015

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average- 366

Chaco
HP: 462 
TECH: 115 
SPEED: 133 (169) 
M DEF: 151 
ATK: 254
DEF: 220 
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Wing Ornaments

10% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 305

Clive
HP: 510
TECH: 186 
SPEED: 150
M DEF: 119
ATK: 257
DEF: 191 (167)
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes  (3 Fire Emblems)

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 319 (374)

Eilie
HP: 507 
TECH: 138 
SPEED: 133 
M DEF: 135 
ATK: 261
DEF: 196 
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

14% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 334

Flik
HP: 577 
TECH: 150
MAGIC: 152
SPEED: 135 
M DEF: 120 
ATK: 298
DEF: 261
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Capes
Spells: 9/6/3/1

Lightning Rune
1. Angry Blow- 272
2. Thunder Runner- 296
3. Bolt of Wrath- 872
4. Thor Shot- 1352

20% Critical Rate
Physical- 417.2

Freed Y
HP: 512 
TECH: 120
SPEED: 113 (123)
M DEF: 120
LUCK: 166
ATK: 270
DEF: 230 (218)
Locked Water Amulet- Halves Ice/Water
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 2 Crimson Capes, 1 Wind Amulet* (2 Fire Emblems)
Lightning on Weapon- 25% more damage on physical, this damage is Lightning Elemental

20% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average- 473 (525)

Futch
HP: 516 
TECH: 134 
SPEED: 147 
M DEF: 100 
ATK: 256
DEF: 220 (196)
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Capes (3 Fire Emblems)

22% Critical Rate
Physical Average- 369 (433)

Gabocha
HP: 458 
TECH: 155 
SPEED: 135 
M DEF: 102 
ATK: 243
DEF: 200
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 3 Silver Necklaces (Dropped item unique to Kobolds)

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 321

Gengen
HP: 517 
TECH: 139 
SPEED: 111 
M DEF: 84 
ATK: 268
DEF: 259 
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, (Dropped item unique to Kobolds)

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 332
 
Georg
HP: 637 
TECH: 172 
SPEED: 152 
M DEF: 50 
ATK: 350
DEF: 268 (244)
Full Helmet, Silver Armor, 3 Crimson Capes (3 Fire Emblems)
Halves Darkness, Regens 10 HP

40% critical rate
Physical Damage Average: 630 (711)

Gijimu
HP: 616 
TECH: 100 
SPEED: 122 
M DEF: 104 
ATK: 329
DEF: 256 (232)
Full Helmet, Knight Armor, 3 Crimson Capes (3 Fire Emblems)

14% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average- 842 (957)
Notes: Gij strikes twice, due to Double-Beat.

Hix
HP: 503 
TECH: 135 
SPEED: 138 
M DEF: 117 
ATK: 266
DEF: 246 (222)
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Capes (3 Fire Emblems)
Notes: The Exertion Rune increases Hix's attack by about 50 each turn (Including the First Round), for up to 4-5 rounds.

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage
1st Turn- 417
2nd Turn- 483 (542)
3rd Turn- 549
4th Turn- 615

Humphrey
HP: 688 
TECH: 127 
SPEED: 84 (99) 
M DEF: 102 
ATK: 332
DEF: 307 (283)
Locked Windspun Armor
Full Helmet, Windspun Armor, 3 Crimson Capes (3 Fire Emblems)

Notes: If you don't allow the Windspun Armor, he gets the Knight Armor, which is a bit worse defensively (doesn't really hurt him), and he loses 15 points in speed.

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 412 (467)

Jowy
HP: 519 
TECH: 172
MAGIC: 165
SPEED: 149 (159)
M DEF: 149
ATK: 286
DEF: 238
Charges: 9/6/3/2
Wind Hat, Silver Armor, Goldet, Winged Boots (Don’t know which are locked and such)
Halves Wind

Black Sword Rune
---
Flash Judgment- 279
Twinkling Blade- 259
Piercing One- 859
Hungry Friend- 1359

Kahn
HP: 571 
TECH: 134
MAGIC: 134
SPEED: 120 
M DEF: 135 
ATK: 284
DEF: 213
Charges: 8/5/2/1
Magic Drain on weapon
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes
9/5/2/1

Resurrection Rune
Scolding- 176 (Double Against Undead)
Yell- Revival
Charm Arrow- 554 (Double against Undead)
Scream- 694 Healing.

22% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 409

Karen
HP: 514 
TECH: 118 
SPEED: 118 
M DEF: 120 
ATK: 287
DEF: 184
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes
Twin Ring- 574. Causes unbalance sometimes.

22% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 414

Kasumi
HP: 517 
TECH: 148 
SPEED: 231 (191 Base) 
M DEF: 135 
ATK: 256
DEF: 177 (186 Equipping for Defense)
1 Rune Slot + Shrike Rune*
Comes with Ninja Suit, Speed Ring, and Winged Boots
Speed Setup: Silver Hat, Ninja Suit, Speed Ring, Winged Boots, Crimson Cape

Shrike Rune- 512

Killey
HP: 511 
TECH: 125
MAGIC: 105
SPEED: 133 
M DEF: 137 
ATK: 284
DEF: 227
Charges: 7/4/2/1
Poison Rune on weapon

Fire Rune
Flaming Arrows- 189
Fire Wall- 315
Dancing Flames- 525
Explosion- 1085

10% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 341

Kinnison
HP: 513 
TECH: 150 
SPEED: 135 
M DEF: 137 
ATK: 270
DEF: 210  (196)
(3 Fire Emblems)

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 335 (391)

Koyu
HP: 516
TECH: 115 
SPEED: 204 (136) 
M DEF: 138 
ATK: 280
DEF: 191 (167)
1 Rune Slot (Gale Rune)
(3 Fire Emblems)

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 370 (429)

L.C. Chan
HP: 791 
TECH: 170 
SPEED: 147 
M DEF: 118 
ATK: 290
DEF: 196 (180)
1 Free Rune Slot + White Tiger
Lightning Rune on weapon- 25% more damage. 
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, Power Ring, 2 Crimson Capes (2 Fire Emblems)

Physical- 363
28% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 566 (624)

White Tiger Rune- 600. 20% chance of Unbalance. Negligible critical rate.

Lorelai
HP: 509 
TECH: 157 
SPEED: 136 
M DEF: 153 
ATK: 293
DEF: 205
Locked Thunder Amulet- Halves Thunder
1 Rune Slot + Draining Rune*
Sleep Rune on weapon
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, 2 Crimson Capes, Thunder Amulet

24%
Physical Average- 434

Lo Wen
HP: 562 
TECH: 117
MAGIC: 102
SPEED: 123 
M DEF: 117 
ATK: 273
DEF: 212
Charges: 7/4/2/1
1 Rune Slot (Water)
Down Rune on weapon
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

Water Rune
Kindness Drops- Full Healing
Protect Mist- 20% Evasion Boss for 3 Turns
Kindness Rain- 300 MT Healing
Silent Lake- Seals all Magic, Field Effect, Lasts 3 Turns

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 339

Luc
HP: 456 
TECH: 138
MAGIC: 188 (203)
SPEED: 154 (169) 
M DEF: 170 
ATK: 150
DEF: 124
Charges: 9/7/4/2
Comes with Magic Ring and Locked Speed Ring
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, Magic Ring, Speed Ring, Crimson Cape

Wind of Sleep- 20% Hit Rate on Horrid Sleep (Might be a better hit rate for him, but given the base, doubt his magic could save it at all).
Healing Wind- Full Healing
The Shredding- 833
Storm Warning- Reflect magic

Mazus
HP: 512 
TECH: 113
MAGIC: 166
SPEED: 119 
M DEF: 186 
ATK: 197
DEF: 190
Charges: 9/6/3/2 (I think)
Locked Robe of Mist, saving his defense. Comes with Magic and Guard Rings.
Halves Ice/Water

Blue Gate Rune
Open Gate- 220
Kings Road- 320 (365)
Pale Palace- 670 (645)
Empty World- (1066) 1240

Thunder Rune
Thunder Runner- 334
Bolt of Wrath- 1000
Thor Shot- 1570
Thunder Storm- 1850

Fire Rune
Flaming Arrows- 250
Fire Wall- 376
Dancing Flames- 586
Explosion- 1146

Combo
Blazing Camp- 2200 (1500 to those around him)
Uses two level 4 spell charges

Meg
HP: 463 
TECH: 136 
SPEED: 118
M DEF: 134 
ATK: 239
DEF: 185
Charges: 7/4/2/1 

Water
---
Kindness Drops- Full Healing
Protect Mist- Repel Magic
Kindness Rain- Heals 404
Silent Lake- Blocks magic use for 3 turns.

Trick Rune- 717. OPB.

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 294

Miklotov
HP: 576 
TECH: 125
SPEED: 119 
M DEF: 120
ATK: 325
DEF: 266 (250)
Wind Rune on weapon- 5% chance to repel magic
Full Helmet, Knight Armor, Fire Emblem*, 2 Crimson Capes (3 Fire Emblems)
Halves Fire with Fire Emblem

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 403 (440)

Millie
HP: 456 
TECH: 96 
SPEED: 122 
M DEF: 151 
ATK: 219
DEF: 183

Groundhog Rune- 440. OPB.

8% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 254

Mukumuku
HP: 398 
TECH: 96 
SPEED: 134
M DEF: 103 
ATK: 220
DEF: 169
1 Rune Slot

220 Base Attack, probably not a great crit rate

Nanami
HP: 457 
TECH: 143 
SPEED: 166 
M DEF: 135 
ATK: 281
DEF: 213 

281 Base Attack, certainly a better crit than Mukumuku

Nina
HP: 511 
TECH: 102 
SPEED: 119 
M DEF: 167 
ATK: 283
DEF: 206 

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 374

Oulan
HP: 681 
TECH: 116 
SPEED: 102 
M DEF: 166 
ATK: 286
DEF: 265
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, Power Gloves*, 2 Crimson Capes

Angry Dragon- 572. OPB, unless she's Furied. She can only be furied after several turns of getting hit.

24% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 424

Pesmerga
HP: 565 
TECH: 136 
SPEED: 106 
M DEF: 155 (165) 
ATK: 351
DEF: 299 (291)
1 Rune Slot (Counter Rune)
Rage on Weapon- 50% more damage (fire)
Horned Helmet*, Knight Armor*, Chaos Shield*, Guard Ring*, Iron Boots*, Crimson Cape (1 Fire Emblem)

15% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 685 (714)

Rikimaru
HP: 763 
TECH: 113 
SPEED: 99 
M DEF: 80 
ATK: 313
DEF: 226 (202)
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

8% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 363 (415)

Rina
HP: 462 
TECH: 125
MAGIC: 150
SPEED: 117 
M DEF: 147 
ATK: 241
DEF: 182
Charges: 9/6/3/2 (9/6/3/1 at slightly lower levels)
3 Rune Slots (Fire)
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

Fire
---
Flaming Arrows- 204
Fire Wall- 294
Dancing Flames- 444
Explosion- 844

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 299

Riou
HP: 581 
TECH: 161
MAGIC: 138
SPEED: 154 
M DEF: 140 
ATK: 325
DEF: 217 (193)
Charges: 9/5/2/1
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes (3 Fire Emblems)

Bright Shield
---
Great Blessing- 208 healing.
Shining Light- 270
Battle Oath- 438 healing. Has a chance of berserk.
Forgiver Sign- 2138, if full. ITD. If Riou is injured, it heals damage, and takes (2138 - damage healed).

24% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 481 (722 after Fury) (548/822)

Sheena
HP: 516 
TECH: 135
MAGIC: 114
SPEED: 117 
M DEF: 132 
ATK: 288
DEF: 233 (217)
Charges: 7/4/2/1
Locked Star Earrings (2 Fire Emblems)- Restores 5 HP

Earth Rune
Clay Guardian- Defense 1.5x
Revenge Earth- 100% Counter Rate
Canopy Defense- Repel Magic
Earthquake- 748

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 380 (420)

Shin
HP: 519 
TECH: 164 
SPEED: 117 
M DEF: 80 
ATK: 297
DEF: 191
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes (3 Fire Emblems)
*Spider Slay
Spider Slay- 900 (1026)

297 Base Attack, Possibly has a Good Crit Rate (Has stats similar to others with quite good rates) (342)

Shiro
HP: 519 
TECH: 131 
SPEED: 170 
M DEF: 135 
ATK: 277
DEF: 231 

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 366

Sid
HP: 512
TECH: 128 
SPEED: 134 (170) 
M DEF: 136 
ATK: 259
DEF: 228
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Wing Ornaments
3 Rune Slots (Waking)
Waking- Sid starts off asleep. Once he is hit, he awakens, Furied.

8% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 300

Sierra
HP: 508 
TECH: 120
MAGIC: 150 (165)
SPEED: 138
PROT: 96
M DEF: 133
LUCK: 80
ATK: 252
DEF: 172
Charges: 9/6/3/2 (9/6/3/1 at slightly lower levels)
Thunder* on Weapon- 50% more damage (lightning)
Comes with Magic Ring

Darkness Rune
Finger of Death- ID.
Stealer of Souls- 585 dark damage + Parasitic healing.
Final Bell- ID or 865 damage
Black Shadow- 865

Simone
HP: 515 
TECH: 134 
SPEED: 125 
M DEF: 155 (165)
ATK: 258
DEF: 188 (180)
Locked Cape of Darkness and Gold Emblem
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Cape of Darkness*, Gold Emblem*, Crimson Cape (1 Fire Emblem)

4% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 279 (295)

Tai Ho
HP: 511 
TECH: 149 
SPEED: 126 
M DEF: 135 
ATK: 277
DEF: 201 (177)
1 Rune Slot (Killer)
Silver Hat, Magic Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

32% critical rate
Physical Damage Average: 454 (528)

Tengaar
HP: 514 
TECH: 119
MAGIC: 153
SPEED: 120 (130) 
M DEF: 137 
ATK: 242
DEF: 179
Charges: 9/6/3/2 (9/6/3/1 at slightly lower levels) 
Silver Hat, Magic Armor, 2 Crimson Capes, Wind Amulet*
Halves Wind

Clay Guardian- Defense 1.5x
Revenge Earth- 100% Counter Rate
Canopy Defense- Repel Magic
Earthquake- 1107

Tir McDohl
HP: 586 
TECH: 170 (185)
MAGIC: 167
SPEED: 136 (146) 
M DEF: 152 
ATK: 329
DEF: 258
Charges: 9/6/3/2
Comes with Winged Boots and Master Garb
Silver Hat, Master Garb, Winged Boots, 2 Crimson Capes

Soul Eater Rune*
---
Deadly Fingertips- ID.
Black Shadow- 867
Hell- ID to all
Judgement- 2267

Tsai
HP: 509 
TECH: 168 
SPEED: 123 
M DEF: 119 
ATK: 260
DEF: 220 (196)
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 343 (403)

Valeria
HP: 576 
TECH: 149 
SPEED: 151 
M DEF: 121 
ATK: 305
DEF: 243
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Capes

Falcon Rune- 610
Falcon Rune Critical- 1525
Falcon Rune Critical- 20%
Falcon Average: 793

Viki
HP: 464 
TECH: 137
MAGIC: 149 (164)
SPEED: 83 
M DEF: 121 
ATK: 184
DEF: 157 
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 2 Crimson Capes, Magic Ring*

Ready!- Bye
Set!- 337
Go!- Bye

Viktor
HP: 633 
TECH: 117 
SPEED: 120 
M DEF: 113 
ATK: 340
DEF: 257
2 Rune Slots (233)
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes (3 Fire Emblems)

30% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 544 (616)

Vincent
HP: 519 
TECH: 156
MAGIC: 99
SPEED: 115 
M DEF: 152 
ATK: 268
DEF: 222
Charges: 7/4/2/1 (Major note: At L55, he’s only at 7/3/1, however, given that that’s a bit low for endgame, he just be able to get an L4).
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 2 Crimson Shields, 1 Rose Brooch*

Wind Rune
Wind of Sleep- 20% Sleep Rate
Healing Wind- Full healing.
The Shredding- 450
Storm Warning- Reflects magic.

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 354

Wakaba
HP: 696 
TECH: 153 (173) 
SPEED: 153 
M DEF: 124 
ATK: 274
DEF: 195
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 2 Crimson Capes, Skill Ring 

1 Rune Slot + White Tiger*
Fire on weapon- 25% more damage (fire)

20% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 480

AVERAGES
I'll be listing several. The first is stars only, the second is stars+temps (Really only affects damage), the third is everyone (stars, temps and losers).

HP: 551 (551) (541)
Def: 216/206* (216/206)* (217/No clue)
Mdef: 123 (123) (
Spd: 130 for all
Standard Deviaion: 28.7 (28.8) 28.7
Tech: 132 (133)

*Fire Emblem Average

4. Damages- Again, straight scale and Rune scales. Also, males can opt for Fire Emblems, which trade speed for defense. They are accessories, which could be viewed in the SH manner. Most physical males want these. Another big note is that the straight scale for S2 is incredibly low (Use it and Flik has 1.1 PC HP damage!!)
Straight (No More Runes) Scale: 492 (519 with Temps) (1230/1298 KO Points)
Fire Emblems & Straight Scale: 524 (550 with Tempes) (1310/1375 KO Points)
L4 Average: 550 (575) (1375/1438 KO)
L4 and Fire Emblems: 576 (600) (1440/1500 KO)
MAJOR NOTE: I was more restrictive in who got runes. I cut out over half the people who got L4s (Generally needed to have a good affinity or have multiple slots).
« Last Edit: January 26, 2008, 01:14:15 AM by Dhyerwolf »
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Re: Suikoden 2
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2007, 07:27:16 PM »
Luca
Luca Blight
6500 HP
55 Defense
80 Magic Defense
Halves all Damage

PC HP: Guessing about 425. Riou after the battle is 447, and he's a tad above average.
PC Damage: Riou's Magic Tier has an L4 by now. Note that you can also fight Luca with multiple parties and whittle his HP down first.
 
Attacks, Triple Acts
Triple Slash- 120 Physical Damage (Possibly lower if you take average of front row) (280 Attack Power)
Flame Slash- 120 Fire Magic (220 Magic Power)
Row Slash- 100 Fire Magic (200 Magic Power)

First Attack After Futch (~110)- 2/3 SD above average
Second Attack after Flik and Camus (~100)- Basically average
Third Attack After Rina and Sheena (~90)- 2/3 SD below average

Gorudo
4500 HP
120 Defense
~85 Magic Defense
Slow.

HP of enemies fought: 540 area
Damages: Forgiver Sign and Hungry Friend take off about 3500. Even without FS, Riou can put on 2 others runes, so he can at least come close to Jowy.

Attack/Abilities
---
Physical- 160 to Riou (560 Attack Power)
Earth Attack- 100 Earth Magic to Riou (240 Magic Power)
Earthquake- 130 Earth Magic (270 Magic Power)

Comments: To be fair, Gorudo is fighting two of the more evasive characters in the game, Jowy and Riou. I don't think he's any worse than any other Suikoden 2 boss (in terms of accuracy) when it comes down to it. Still, Hungry Friend and Forgiver Sign take off ~3500 HP.

Lucia
Lucia
6500 HP
100 Defense
120 Magic Defense

PC HP: 550-560
PC Damage: Quite easy to produce 1000 damage a character for the first turn, she at the beginning of the dungeon too.

Attacks/Abilities
---
Triple Acts
Physical- 180 Physical Damage (420 Attack Power, average Defense is probably 240ish). She has better accuracy than most, but she still misses Riou a bit (who, to be fair, has ~180 TECH).
Dancing Flames- 160 Fire Magic (~280-290 Magic Power)
FLAMING NINJASTARS!- 200 Fire Magic (330 Attack Power)

After Luc (~160)- 1 SD above average
After Jowy (~140)- About 0.5 SD above average
After Flik (~120-130?)- About 0.5 SD below average

Culgan
~3800 HP
100 Defense (nothing special)
135 Magic Defense
Halves Lightning and Holy spells

PC HP: 550-560
PC Damage: 1000+ ST, 800 MT

Attacks/Abilities
---
Acts twice
Physical- 210 Damage (450 Attack Power)
Thor Shot- 150 Thunder Magic (280 Attack Power)
Healing Rain- 600 HP healed.

First Turn is about 1-1.5 SD above average
Second Turn is below average speed

Seed
4200 HP
110 Defense
~100 Magic Defense
Halves Fire spells

PC HP: 550-560
PC Damage: 1000+ ST, 800 MT

Attacks/Abilities
---
Double Acts
Physical- 240 Damage (480 Attack Power)
Flaming Arrows- 140 Fire Magic (260-270 Magic Power)
Silent Lake- Prevents Magic use for 3 rounds.

Both Turns are About 1 SD above average
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Re: Suikoden 2
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 01:13:40 AM »
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Suikoden 2 RPGDL characters

MP
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Level 2: 2/0/0/0
30 mag: 3/1/0/0
45 mag: 4/1/0/0
55 mag: 4/2/0/0
60 mag: 5/2/1/0
75 mag: 6/3/1/0
95 mag: 7/3/1/0
100 mag: 7/4/2/1
115 mag: 8/4/2/1
125 mag: 8/5/2/1
135 mag: 9/5/2/1
140 mag: 9/5/3/1
150 mag: 9/6/3/1
160 mag: 9/6/3/2
175 mag: 9/7/4/2
200 mag: 9/8/5/3
220 mag: 9/9/6/4
240 mag: 9/9/7/4
250 mag: 9/9/7/5
Same deal here, but people are less likely to get crucial charges since it's not S1.

Abizboah
HP: 823
STR: 523
TECH: 80
MAGIC: 67
SPEED: 51
PROT: 228
M DEF: 70
LUCK: 137
ATK: 523
DEF: 228
Blue Drop Rune*
Blue Drop- Damages all Es Ruins Balance

Physical- 523
Level 1 Blue Drop- 785

Amada
HP: 687
STR: 138
TECH: 98
MAGIC: 83
SPEED: 95
PROT: 131 (136)
M DEF: 99
LUCK: 118
ATK: 283
DEF: 219
1 Rune Slot
Earth Rune on Weapon (+5 PROT)
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

20% Critical Rate

Physical Damage Average- 396

Anita
HP: 578
STR: 134
TECH: 151
MAGIC: 122
SPEED: 131
PROT: 122
M DEF: 134
LUCK: 123
ATK: 284
DEF: 247
1 Rune Slot + Falcon Rune*
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Capes

Falcon Rune- 560
Falcon Critical- 1420
Falcon Critical Rate- 20%

Ayda
HP: 513
STR: 122
TECH: 142
MAGIC: 98
SPEED: 152
PROT: 115
M DEF: 119
LUCK: 150
ATK: 269
DEF: 198
2 Rune Slots (Great Hawk)
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

Physical- 269
Great Hawk- 132

Physical Average: 366

18% Critical Rate

Badeaux
HP: 561
STR: 115
TECH: 117
MAGIC: 98
SPEED: 119
PROT: 120
M DEF: 119
LUCK: 100
ATK: 280
DEF: 240
1 Rune Slot + Howling Rune*
Full Helmet, Knight Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

8% Critical RAte

Physical Average: 325

Bob
HP: 634
STR: 120
TECH: 123
MAGIC: 100
SPEED: 136 (~176 as Werewolf)
PROT: 136
M DEF: 155 (233 as Werewolf)
LUCK: 79
ATK: 285 (570 as Werewolf)
DEF: 219 (438 as Werewolf)
1 Rune Slot + Rabid Fang Rune*
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

Rabid Fang Rune- The Rabid Fang Rune bestows a speed boost in the vein of S2 healing and support spells (if you didn't know, S2 healing and lots of earth magic gets a hefty speed boost. ~40 SPD points). This makes his first turn transformation come out pretty quickly. The speed boost seems to carry over during the transformation as well. Bob's ATK and DEF are doubled. Bob's Magic Defense is multiplied by 1.5.

Bob stays as as a Werewolf for three rounds (he gets three rounds of physicals, and he reverts at the end of the third round). While in this form, he has no choice but to attack (OR SHIFT ROWS!).

16% Critical Rate

Physical Average: 376
Werewolf Physical Average: 752

Bolgan
HP: 630
STR: 167
TECH: 79
MAGIC: 69
SPEED: 67
PROT: 135
M DEF: 97
LUCK: 155
ATK: 302
DEF: 227
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

Fire Breath Rune*- 600 damage (fire element, I suppose). Causes Unbalance.

20% Critical Rate

Physical Damage Average- 423

Camus
HP: 508
STR: 137
TECH: 137
MAGIC: 114
SPEED: 133
PROT: 134
M DEF: 114
LUCK: 121
ATK: 277
DEF: 260
Charges: 7/4/2/1
1 Rune slot + Rage*
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 2 Crimson Capes
Locked Crimson Cape
8/4/2/1 (not that it matters, but I just pushed Camus to the next tier. It's just an extra level 1 spell point, and he would have it by level 56).

Rage Rune
---
1. Fire Wall- 264
2. Dancing Flames- 414
3. Explosion- 814
4. Final Flame- 1015

16% Critical Rate

Physical Damage Average- 366

Chaco
HP: 462
STR: 114
TECH: 115
MAGIC: 106
SPEED: 133 (169)
PROT: 122
M DEF: 151
LUCK: 152
ATK: 254
DEF: 220
3 Rune Slots
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Wing Ornaments

10% Critical Rate

Physical Damage Average: 305

Chuchara
HP: 294
STR: 61
TECH: 135
MAGIC: 80
SPEED: 102
PROT: 301
M DEF: 77
LUCK: 152
ATK: 61
DEF: 301
1 Rune Slot

Physical: Ha ha.

Clive
HP: 510
STR: 117
TECH: 186
MAGIC: 86
SPEED: 150
PROT: 100
M DEF: 119
LUCK: 81
ATK: 257
DEF: 191
1 Rune Slot
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes
This is another form Clive can use, if he so chooses.

12% Critical Rate

Physical Damage Average: 319

Eilie
HP: 507
STR: 121
TECH: 138
MAGIC: 124
SPEED: 133
PROT: 113
M DEF: 135
LUCK: 137
ATK: 261
DEF: 196
2 Rune Slots
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

14% Critical Rate

Physical Damage Average: 334

Feather
HP: 690
STR: 412
TECH: 136
MAGIC: 101
SPEED: 137
PROT: 178
M DEF: 106
LUCK: 120
ATK: 412
DEF: 178
1 Rune Slot + Shining Wind Rune*

Shining Wind- 206 against ground. 412 against flyers.

Physical Average: 418

Flik
HP: 577
STR: 148
TECH: 150
MAGIC: 152
SPEED: 135
PROT: 136
M DEF: 120
LUCK: 81
ATK: 298
DEF: 261
2 Rune Slots (Lightning)
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Capes
Spells: 9/6/3/1

Lightning Rune
---
1. Angry Blow- 272
2. Thunder Runner- 296
3. Bolt of Wrath- 872
4. Thor Shot- 1352

20% Critical Rate

Physical- 417.2

Freed Y
HP: 512
STR: 120
TECH: 120
MAGIC: 102
SPEED: 113
PROT: 113
M DEF: 120
LUCK: 166
ATK: 270
DEF: 230
2 Rune Slots
Locked Water Amulet
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 2 Crimson Capes, 1 Water Amulet
Lightning on Weapon- 25% more damage. Nulled if the target is lightning immune (the extra damage is nulled, not the regular physical, I think).

20% Critical Rate

Physical Damage Average- 473 (from Lightning)

Futch
HP: 516
STR: 116
TECH: 134
MAGIC: 99
SPEED: 147
PROT: 94
M DEF: 100
LUCK: 152
ATK: 256
DEF: 220
2 Rune Slots
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Capes

22% Critical Rate

Physical Average- 369

Gabocha
HP: 458
STR: 103
TECH: 155
MAGIC: 103
SPEED: 135
PROT: 100
M DEF: 102
LUCK: 153
ATK: 243
DEF: 191
1 Rune Slot
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

16% Critical Rate

Physical Damage Average: 321

Gadget
HP: 515
STR: 259
TECH: 135
MAGIC: 52
SPEED: 122
PROT: 365
M DEF: 116
LUCK: 96
ATK: 259
DEF: 365
No Rune Slots

6%

Physical Average: 290

Gantetsu
HP: 514
STR: 127
TECH: 104
MAGIC: 117
SPEED: 103
PROT: 134
M DEF: 137
LUCK: 123
ATK: 227
DEF: 217
2 Rune Slots (Resurrection)
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Robes

Scolding- 56 damage
Yell- Revival
Charm Arrow- 574 damage
Scream- Heals 537

8%

Average Physical- 263

Gengen
HP: 517
STR: 118
TECH: 139
MAGIC: 98
SPEED: 111
PROT: 124
M DEF: 84
LUCK: 152
ATK: 268
DEF: 250
1 Rune Slot
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Capes

12% Critical Rate

Physical Damage Average: 332

Genshu
HP: 509
STR: 136
TECH: 137
MAGIC: 104
SPEED: 139
PROT: 119
M DEF: 99
LUCK: 133
ATK: 296
DEF: 205
Swallow Rune*
Silver Hat, Thunder God Garb, 3 Crimson Capes

Swallow Rune- 300. 30% ID. Unbalanced

10%

Physical Average- 355

Georg
HP: 637
STR: 190
TECH: 172
MAGIC: 51
SPEED: 152
PROT: 151
M DEF: 50
LUCK: 135
ATK: 350
DEF: 268
1 Rune Slot (Killer)
Locked Silver Armor
Full Helmet, Silver Armor, 3 Crimson Capes
40% critical rate

Physical Damage Average: 630

Gijimu
HP: 616
STR: 154
TECH: 100
MAGIC: 88
SPEED: 122
PROT: 136
M DEF: 104
LUCK: 125
ATK: 329
DEF: 256
1 Rune Slot (Double-Beat Rune)
Full Helmet, Knight Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

14% Critical Rate

Physical Damage Average- 842

Notes: Gij strikes twice, due to Double-Beat.

Hai Yo
HP: 515
STR: 101
TECH: 98
MAGIC: 98
SPEED: 115
PROT: 121
M DEF: 103
LUCK: 120
ATK: 266
DEF: 212
2 Rune Slots
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

8%

Physical Average- 309

Hanna
HP: 580
STR: 136
TECH: 135
MAGIC: 85
SPEED: 102
PROT: 155
M DEF: 95
LUCK: 112
ATK: 286
DEF: 281
1 Rune Slot
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Capes

8%

Physical Average- 332

Hauser
HP: 634
STR: 169
TECH: 116
MAGIC: 94
SPEED: 99
PROT: 151
M DEF: 98
LUCK: 100
ATK: 329
DEF: 243
1 Rune Slot
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

20%

Physical Average: 461

Hix
HP: 503
STR: 116
TECH: 135
MAGIC: 101
SPEED: 138
PROT: 121
M DEF: 117
LUCK: 150
ATK: 266
DEF: 246
1 Rune Slot
Exertion Rune on weapon
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Capes
Notes: The Exertion Rune increases Hix's attack by about 50 each turn (I don't remember if this includes the first or not), for up to 4-5 rounds. This could leave him with a 200 or so attack boost.

16% Critical Rate

Physical Damage Average: Depends.
1st Turn- 417
2nd Turn- 483
3rd Turn- 549
4th Turn- 615

Hoi
HP: 460
STR: 104
TECH: 135
MAGIC: 81
SPEED: 147
PROT: 99
M DEF: 83
LUCK: 167
ATK: 269
DEF: 190
1 Rune Slot
Technique Rune on weapon
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

24% (rather high for this game)

Physical Average: 398

Humphrey
HP: 688
STR: 172
TECH: 127
MAGIC: 70
SPEED: 84 (99)
PROT: 180
M DEF: 102
LUCK: 73
ATK: 332
DEF: 307
1 Rune Slot
Locked Windspun Armor
Full Helmet, Windspun Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

Notes: If you don't allow the Windspun Armor, he gets the Knight Armor, which is a bit worse defensively (doesn't really hurt him), and he loses 15 points in speed.

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 412

Jowy (Happy Jowy)
HP: 519
STR: 136
TECH: 172
MAGIC: 165
SPEED: 149 (159)
PROT: 134
M DEF: 149
LUCK: 148
ATK: 306
DEF: 225
Charges: 9/6/3/2

2 Rune Slots + Black Sword Rune*

Serious Jowy
ATK: 286
DEF: 238

Black Sword Rune
---
Flash Judgment- 279
Twinkling Blade- 259
Piercing One- 859
Hungry Friend- 1359

Notes: Serious Jowy has the same stats as Happy Jowy, but he has a special set of equipment: Wind Hat, Silver Armor, Goldlet, Winged Boots, and 4 Kindness Rain charge scrolls. Serious Jowy and Happy Jowy have different weapons (Serious Jowy uses a Sword, Happy Jowy uses a staff, which is much stronger). I hope people don't actually start adopting my silly names.

Kahn
HP: 571
STR: 119
TECH: 134
MAGIC: 134
SPEED: 120
PROT: 121
M DEF: 135
LUCK: 104
ATK: 284
DEF: 213
Charges: 8/5/2/1
3 Rune Slots (Resurrection)
Magic Drain on weapon
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes
9/5/2/1

Resurrection Rune
---
Scolding- 176
Yell- Revival
Charm Arrow- 554
Scream- 694 Healing.

Notes: Charm Arrow and Scolding do double damage against the undead.

22% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 409

Karen
HP: 514
STR: 122
TECH: 118
MAGIC: 120
SPEED: 118
PROT: 101
M DEF: 120
LUCK: 135
ATK: 287
DEF: 184
1 Rune Slot + Twin Ring Rune*
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes
Twin Ring- 574. Causes unbalance sometimes.

22% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 414

Kasumi
HP: 517
STR: 121
TECH: 148
MAGIC: 98
SPEED: 191 (231)
PROT: 103
M DEF: 135
LUCK: 136
ATK: 256
DEF: 177
1 Rune Slot + Shrike Rune*
Comes with Ninja Suit, Speed Ring, and Winged Boots
Speed Setup: Silver Hat, Ninja Suit, Speed Ring, Winged Boots, Crimson Cape

Defense Setup: Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Robes
DEF: 186

Notes: For insanely high speed, Kasumi can opt for her speed equips at expense of defense.

Shrike Rune- 512

Killey
HP: 511
STR: 119
TECH: 125
MAGIC: 105
SPEED: 133
PROT: 136
M DEF: 137
LUCK: 122
ATK: 284
DEF: 227
Charges: 7/4/2/1
3 Rune Slots (Fire)
Poison Rune on weapon

Fire Rune
Flaming Arrows- 189
Fire Wall- 315
Dancing Flames- 525
Explosion- 1085

10% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 341

Kinnison
HP: 513
STR: 123
TECH: 150
MAGIC: 97
SPEED: 135
PROT: 119
M DEF: 137
LUCK: 136
ATK: 270
DEF: 210
2 Rune Slots

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 335

Koyu
HP: 516
STR: 105
TECH: 115
MAGIC: 100
SPEED: 204 (136)
PROT: 100
M DEF: 138
LUCK: 119
ATK: 280
DEF: 191
1 Rune Slot (Gale Rune)

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 370

L.C. Chan
HP: 791
STR: 135 (155)
TECH: 170
MAGIC: 102
SPEED: 147
PROT: 119
M DEF: 118
LUCK: 149
ATK: 290
DEF: 196
1 Free Rune Slot + White Tiger
Lightning Rune on weapon- 25% more damage.
Comes with Power Ring and Belt of Strength
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, Power Ring, 2 Crimson Capes

Physical- 363
28% Critical RAte
Physical Damage Average: 566

White Tiger Rune- 600. 20% chance of Unbalance. Negligible critical rate.

Lorelai
HP: 509
STR: 118
TECH: 157
MAGIC: 121
SPEED: 136
PROT: 118
M DEF: 153
LUCK: 123
ATK: 293
DEF: 205
Locked Thunder Amulet
1 Rune Slot + Draining Rune*
Sleep Rune on weapon
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, 2 Crimson Capes, Thunder Amulet

24%

Physical Average- 434

Lo Wen
HP: 562
STR: 133
TECH: 117
MAGIC: 102
SPEED: 123
PROT: 120
M DEF: 117
LUCK: 132
ATK: 273
DEF: 212
Charges: 7/4/2/1
1 Rune Slot (Water)
Down Rune on weapon
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 339

Luc
HP: 456
STR: 50
TECH: 138
MAGIC: 188 (203)
SPEED: 154 (169)
PROT: 52
M DEF: 170
LUCK: 53
ATK: 150
DEF: 124
Charges: 9/7/4/2
3 Rune Slots (Wind and Pixie)
Comes with Magic Ring and Locked Speed Ring
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, Magic Ring, Speed Ring, Crimson Cape

Wind of Sleep- Put enemy to sleep
Healing Wind- Full Healing
The Shredding- 833
Storm Warning- Reflect magic

Makumaku
HP: 354
STR: 147
TECH: 99
MAGIC: 121
SPEED: 139
PROT: 173
M DEF: 124
LUCK: 101
ATK: 147
DEF: 173
1 Rune Slot

Mazus
HP: 512
STR: 97
TECH: 113
MAGIC: 166
SPEED: 119
PROT: 82
M DEF: 186
LUCK: 64
ATK: 197
DEF: 190
Charges: 9/6/3/2 (I think)
Locked Robe of Mist. Comes with Magic and Guard Rings.
1 Rune Slot (Fire) + Blue Gate* + Thunder*

Blue Gate
---
Open Gate- 220
Kings Road- 320 (365)
Pale Palace- 670 (645)
Empty World- (1066) 1240

Thunder
---
Thunder Runner- 334
Bolt of Wrath- 1000
Thor Shot- 1570
Thunder Storm- 1850

Fire
---
Flaming Arrows- 250
Fire Wall- 376
Dancing Flames- 586
Explosion- 1146

Combo
---
Blazing Camp- 2200 (1500 to those around him)
Uses two level 4 spell charges

Meg
HP: 463
STR: 99
TECH: 136
MAGIC: 104
SPEED: 118
PROT: 102
M DEF: 134
LUCK: 167 (187)
ATK: 239
DEF: 185
Charges: 7/4/2/1
1 Rune Slot (Water) + Trick Rune*
Trick Rune- 720. Usable once.

Water
---
Kindness Drops- Full Healing
Protect Mist- Repel Magic
Kindness Rain- Heals 404
Silent Lake- Blocks magic use for 3 turns.

Trick Rune- 717.

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 294

Mekumeku
HP: 411
STR: 222
TECH: 101
MAGIC: 84
SPEED: 118
PROT: 189
M DEF: 81
LUCK: 137
ATK: 222
DEF: 189
1 Rune Slot

Miklotov
HP: 576
STR: 150 (165)
TECH: 125
MAGIC: 101
SPEED: 119
PROT: 153
M DEF: 120
LUCK: 124
ATK: 325
DEF: 266
1 Rune Slot + *Knight Rune
Wind Rune on weapon- 5% chance to repel magic
Full Helmet, Knight Armor, Fire Emblem*, 2 Crimson Capes

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 403

Mikumiku
HP: 399
STR: 173
TECH: 104
MAGIC: 78
SPEED: 166
PROT: 187
M DEF: 83
LUCK: 100
ATK: 173
DEF: 187
1 Rune Slot

Millie
HP: 456
STR: 79
TECH: 96
MAGIC: 116
SPEED: 122
PROT: 100
M DEF: 151
LUCK: 168
ATK: 219
DEF: 183
2 Rune Slots + Groundhog*

Groundhog Rune- 440. Usable once.

8% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 254

Mokumoku
HP: 517
STR: 259
TECH: 69
MAGIC: 65
SPEED: 101
PROT: 259
M DEF: 94
LUCK: 108
ATK: 259
DEF: 259
1 Rune Slot

Mondo
HP: 580
STR: 134
TECH: 135
MAGIC: 100
SPEED: 132
PROT: 135
M DEF: 121
LUCK: 125
ATK: 269
DEF: 218
1 Rune Slot + Mayfly Rune*
Comes with Ninja Suit
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

8%

Physical- 312

Mukumuku
HP: 398
STR: 220
TECH: 96
MAGIC: 78
SPEED: 134
PROT: 169
M DEF: 103
LUCK: 102
ATK: 220
DEF: 169
1 Rune Slot

Dur..

Nanami
HP: 457
STR: 116
TECH: 143
MAGIC: 101
SPEED: 166
PROT: 122
M DEF: 135
LUCK: 137
ATK: 281
DEF: 213
2 Rune Slots

Don't have her at the moment.

Nina
HP: 511
STR: 118
TECH: 102
MAGIC: 137
SPEED: 119
PROT: 123
M DEF: 167
LUCK: 126
ATK: 283
DEF: 206
2 Rune Slots

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 374

Oulan
HP: 681
STR: 131 (151)
TECH: 116
MAGIC: 71
SPEED: 102
PROT: 171
M DEF: 166
LUCK: 66
ATK: 286
DEF: 265
1 Rune Slot + Angry Dragon Rune*
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, Power Gloves*, 2 Crimson Capes
Angry Dragon- 572. Usable only once, unless she's Furied. She can only be furied after several turns of getting hit.

24% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 424

Pesmerga
HP: 565
STR: 191
TECH: 136
MAGIC: 106
SPEED: 106
PROT: 136
M DEF: 155 (165)
LUCK: 65
ATK: 351
DEF: 299
1 Rune Slot (Counter Rune)
Rage on Weapon- 50% more damage (fire)
Horned Helmet*, Knight Armor*, Chaos Shield*, Guard Ring*, Iron Boots*, Crimson Cape

15% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 685

Rikimaru
HP: 763
STR: 153
TECH: 113
MAGIC: 84
SPEED: 99
PROT: 134
M DEF: 80
LUCK: 99
ATK: 313
DEF: 226
1 Rune Slot
Full Helmet, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

8% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 363

Rina
HP: 462
STR: 101
TECH: 125
MAGIC: 150
SPEED: 117
PROT: 99
M DEF: 147
LUCK: 120
ATK: 241
DEF: 182
Charges: 9/6/3/1
3 Rune Slots (Fire)
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

Fire
---
Flaming Arrows- 204
Fire Wall- 294
Dancing Flames- 444
Explosion- 844

12% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 299

Riou
HP: 581
STR: 155
TECH: 161
MAGIC: 138
SPEED: 154
PROT: 126
M DEF: 140
LUCK: 175
ATK: 325
DEF: 217
Charges: 9/5/2/1
2 Rune Slots + Bright Shield Rune*
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

Bright Shield
---
Great Blessing- 208 healing.
Shining Light- 270
Battle Oath- 438 healing. Has a chance of berserk.
Forgiver Sign- 2138, if full. ITD. If Riou is injured, it heals damage, and takes (2138 - damage healed).

24% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 481 (722 after Fury)

Rulodia
HP: 814
STR: 418
TECH: 104
MAGIC: 101
SPEED: 82
PROT: 204
M DEF: 108
LUCK: 115
ATK: 418
DEF: 204
Blue Drop* and Flowing Runes

Sasuke
HP: 515
STR: 120
TECH: 155
MAGIC: 101
SPEED: 169
PROT: 119
M DEF: 99
LUCK: 123
ATK: 260
DEF: 202
1 Rune Slot (Killer)
Comes with Ninja Suit
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

7/25
28%

Physical Average- 406

Sheena
HP: 516
STR: 138
TECH: 135
MAGIC: 114
SPEED: 117
PROT: 114
M DEF: 132
LUCK: 117
ATK: 288
DEF: 233
Charges: 7/4/2/1
3 Rune Slots (Earth)
Locked Star Earrings

Clay Guardian- Defense 1.5x
Revenge Earth- 100% Counter Rate
Canopy Defense- Repel Magic
Earthquake- 748

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 380

Shilo
Shilo
HP: 514
STR: 122
TECH: 197
MAGIC: 98
SPEED: 122
PROT: 108
M DEF: 101
LUCK: 151
ATK: 262
DEF: 191
1 Rune Slot
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

12%

Physical Damage Average- 332

Shin
HP: 519
STR: 137
TECH: 164
MAGIC: 111
SPEED: 117
PROT: 100
M DEF: 80
LUCK: 162
ATK: 297
DEF: 191
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes
*Spider Slay
Spider Slay- 900

Shiro
HP: 519
STR: 277
TECH: 131
MAGIC: 102
SPEED: 170
PROT: 231
M DEF: 135
LUCK: 138
ATK: 277
DEF: 231
1 Rune Slot

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 366

Sid
HP: 512
STR: 119
TECH: 128
MAGIC: 97
SPEED: 134 (170)
PROT: 130
M DEF: 136
LUCK: 135
ATK: 259
DEF: 228
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Wing Ornaments
3 Rune Slots (Waking)
Waking- Sid starts off asleep. Once he is hit, he awakens, Furied.

8% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 300

Sierra
HP: 508
STR: 117
TECH: 120
MAGIC: 150 (165)
SPEED: 138
PROT: 96
M DEF: 133
LUCK: 80
ATK: 252
DEF: 172
Charges: 9/6/3/1
2 Rune Slots (Darkness)
Thunder* on Weapon- 50% more damage (lightning)
Comes with Magic Ring

Darkness
---
Finger of Death- ID.
Stealer of Souls- 585 dark damage + Parasitic healing.
Final Bell- ID or 865 damage
Black Shadow- 865

Sigfried
HP: 700
STR: 471
TECH: 117
MAGIC: 137
SPEED: 99
PROT: 175
M DEF: 153
LUCK: 89
ATK: 471
DEF: 175
Charges: 9/5/2/1
1 Rune Slot + White Saint Rune*

Shining Pupil- 272
Moonlit Forest- 368
White Priestess- 608

Simone
HP: 515
STR: 118
TECH: 134
MAGIC: 123
SPEED: 125
PROT: 103
M DEF: 155 (165)
LUCK: 103
ATK: 258
DEF: 188
1 Rune Slot
Locked Cape of Darkness and Gold Emblem
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Cape of Darkness*, Gold Emblem*, Crimson Cape

4% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 279

Stallion
HP: 515
STR: 119
TECH: 135
MAGIC: 101
SPEED: 184 (194)
PROT: 98
M DEF: 139
LUCK: 103
ATK: 259
DEF: 189
1 Rune Slot + True Holy Rune*
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Crimson Capes, Winged Boots

24% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 383

Tai Ho
HP: 511
STR: 137
TECH: 149
MAGIC: 99
SPEED: 126
PROT: 118
M DEF: 135
LUCK: 116
ATK: 277
DEF: 201
1 Rune Slot (Killer)
Silver Hat, Magic Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

32% critical rate
Physical Damage Average: 454

Tengaar
HP: 514
STR: 102
TECH: 119
MAGIC: 153
SPEED: 120 (130)
PROT: 98
M DEF: 137
LUCK: 134
ATK: 242
DEF: 179
Charges: 9/6/3/1
2 Rune Slots (Earth)
Locked Wind Amulet
Silver Hat, Magic Armor, 2 Crimson Capes, Wind Amulet*

Clay Guardian- Defense 1.5x
Revenge Earth- 100% Counter Rate
Canopy Defense- Repel Magic
Earthquake- 1107

Tir McDohl
HP: 586
STR: 149 (164)
TECH: 170 (185)
MAGIC: 167
SPEED: 136 (146)
PROT: 152
M DEF: 152
LUCK: 149
ATK: 329
DEF: 258
Charges: 9/6/3/2
2 Rune Slots + Soul Eater*
Comes with Winged Boots and Master Garb
Silver Hat, Master Garb, Winged Boots, 2 Crimson Capes

Soul Eater
---
Deadly Fingertips- ID.
Black Shadow- 867
Hell- ID to all
Judgement- 2267

Tomo
HP: 513
STR: 136
TECH: 153
MAGIC: 106
SPEED: 134
PROT: 116
M DEF: 116
LUCK: 115
ATK: 276
DEF: 202
1 Rune Slot + Unicorn*
Silver Hat, Thunder God Garb, 3 Crimson Capes

16%

PDA- 364

Tsai
HP: 509
STR: 120
TECH: 168
MAGIC: 100
SPEED: 123
PROT: 137
M DEF: 119
LUCK: 161
ATK: 260
DEF: 220
1 Rune Slot + Unicorn Rune*
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 343

Tuta
HP: 299
STR: 81
TECH: 99
MAGIC: 86
SPEED: 134
PROT: 73
M DEF: 97
LUCK: 138
ATK: 221
DEF: 156
1 Rune Slot + Medicine Rune*
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

16%

PDA- 256

Valeria
HP: 576
STR: 155
TECH: 149
MAGIC: 100
SPEED: 151
PROT: 118
M DEF: 121
LUCK: 135
ATK: 305
DEF: 243
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Capes
1 Rune Slot + Falcon Rune*

Falcon Rune- 610
Falcon Rune Critical- 1525
Falcon Rune Critical- 20%
Falcon Average: 793

Viki
HP: 464
STR: 84
TECH: 137
MAGIC: 149 (164)
SPEED: 83
PROT: 81
M DEF: 121
LUCK: 187
ATK: 184
DEF: 157
1 Rune Slot + Blinking Rune*
Comes with Magic Ring
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 2 Crimson Capes, Magic Ring

Ready!- Bye
Set!- 337
Go!- Bye

Viktor
HP: 633
STR: 170
TECH: 117
MAGIC: 68
SPEED: 120
PROT: 166
M DEF: 113
LUCK: 136
ATK: 340
DEF: 257
2 Rune Slots
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 3 Crimson Capes

30% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 544

Vincent
HP: 519
STR: 118
TECH: 156
MAGIC: 99
SPEED: 115
PROT: 97
M DEF: 152
LUCK: 97
ATK: 268
DEF: 222
Charges: 7/3/1
1 Rune Slot (Wind)
Locked Rose Brooch
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, Chaos Shield, 3 Crimson Shields

Wind Rune
---
Wind of Sleep- Sleep. Dunno % rate.
Healing Wind- Full healing.
The Shredding- 450
Storm Warning- Reflects magic.

16% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 354

Wakaba
HP: 696
STR: 139
TECH: 153 (173)
MAGIC: 105
SPEED: 153
PROT: 117
M DEF: 124
LUCK: 153
ATK: 274
DEF: 195
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 2 Crimson Capes, Skill Ring
Comes with Skill Ring

1 Rune Slot + White Tiger*
Fire on weapon- 25% more damage (fire)

20% Critical Rate
Physical Damage Average: 480

Yoshino
HP: 512
STR: 107
TECH: 118
MAGIC: 123
SPEED: 116
PROT: 98
M DEF: 112
LUCK: 135
ATK: 247
DEF: 173
2 Rune Slots
Locked Water Amulet
Silver Hat, Dragon Armor, 2 Crimson Capes, 1 Water Amulet

16%
PDA- 326

Zamza
HP: 584
STR: 135
TECH: 122
MAGIC: 136
SPEED: 107
PROT: 136
M DEF: 133
LUCK: 78
ATK: 270
DEF: 219
1 Rune Slot + Locked Fire Dragon
Silver Hat, Magic Robe, 3 Crimson Capes

Fire Dragon Rune- 550. 275 to self

12%

Physical Damage Average- 335
...into the nightfall.

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Re: Suikoden 2
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2008, 11:54:06 PM »
Bosses from old forum.

From Gourry

Same deal as the other one. A lot of the time, I was forced to use less than ideal parties for the sake of finding elemental resistances.

In general, Suikoden 2 bosses have impressive offenses, mainly due to double/triple actions.

The important bosses are Seed, Culgan, Lucia, Luca, Gorudo, and Neclord.

I have some data on the Beast Rune, but it's incomplete because
A. I'm lazy.
B. His magic defense makes me want to stab stuff.

Mist Shade
~800 HP
~0-2 Defense
6 Magic Defense
Faster than Bolgan

Switches forms.

Attacks/Abilities
---
Physical: 60 Attack Power. He does this three times in a row. Yes, that means if there's only one person in your party, they'll eat the physical three times. Mist Shade for Godlike.
Thunder Attack: ~35 Magic Power. MT.

Lv5 Riou/Jowy/Bolgan/Rina/Eilie
HP: 61/53/66/46/54 (56)
ATK: 31/30/35/30/34
DEF: 33/32/34/22/29 (30)
MDEF: 25/27/20/25/25 (24.4)

Comments: The Mist Shade's a complete pushover in game. Because of various magic scrolls you get and the Circus Unite, s/he bites it pretty quickly. However, when you're alone, it can do its physical on the same person three times. It hurts.

Rowd
3000 HP
~75 Defense?
~55 Magic Defense
Faster than Nanami

Attacks/Abilities
---
Physical: 80 Attack Power
Water Spell: Heals 100 damage.

Riou6/Mukumuku3/Nanami5
HP: 70/27/46
ATK: 34/35/31
DEF: 35/33/31
MDEF: 28/16/25

Comments: Tankier than Luca, with more damage and healing, lol.

Bonaparte
600 HP
~15 Defense
~20 Magic Defense?
~25 Speed
Weak to Fire?

Attacks/abilities
Eat Character: ~70 Attack Power
    
Lv6-7 Riou/Jowy/Gengen/Mukumuku/Nanami/Mille
HP: 79/70/64/44/54/57
ATK: 37/35/34/48/34/26
DEF: 38/42/35/44/36/36
SPD: 31/32/24/28/35/27

Comments: Har. Suck.

Flik vs. Riou
~240 HP
~80 ATK
~30 Defense

Lv9 Riou
96 HP
44 ATK
43 DEF

Double Head
2500 HP
~10 Defense
~40 Magic Defense
Slower than everyone

Weak to Fire
Strong to Holy

Attacks/Abilities
---
MT Physical: ~75 Attack Power
Red Pillar Thing: ~90 Magic Power
Iceknife Rain Thing: ~80 Magic Power

Riou/Jowy/Gengen/Kinnison/Millie/Nanami
HP: 142/130/131/127/116/113
ATK: 68/62/60/59/59/63
DEF: 66/75/63/63/60/70
MAG: 50/62/39/38/47/39
MDEF: 52/57/32/51/54/51

Comments: I got a suckass party for this section. Oh well.

By now, Jowy should have a level 3 charge, so he should be able to take just leess than 1/3 of his life off in one shot. Its physical offense isn't overly impressive, and its magic damage isn't that great in general. Great Blessing should cover all and any damage this thing does, easily.

Star Dragon Sword
2500 HP
~25 Defense
~70 Magic Defense
Acts first after Kahn.
Acts again before Freed.

Neutral to Lightning, Holy, Resurrection, Wind, and Fire
Couldn't test earth, but he floats, so I assume it wouldn't work.

Attacks/Abilities
---
Double Acts
MT Thunder Attack: ~110 Magic Power
Black Ball Thing: ~125 Magic Power. MT
Sword Slash: ~140 Attack Power. Hits middle column.

Viktor/Freed Y/Riou/Nanami/Eilie/Kahn
HP: 308/211/232/185/208/244 (231)
ATK: 175/76/97/89/92/85
DEF: 138/103/102/95/101/94 (106)
SPD: 76/67/80/90/73/68
MAG: 43/54/73/55/64/73
MDEF: 67/68/75/73/73/76 (72)

Comments: He's not overly impressive, but he's the first boss to act twice. Zuh.

Viktor's level 27 here (he got the 5 level bonus), so his stats are a bit better. The difference in levels tapers off around here, though.

Abomination
4500 HP
~20 Defense
~40 Magic Defense

Weak to Resurrection and Fire
Couldn't test Earth.

Acts first after Viktor (~75?)
Acts again before Freed Y (~70)

Attacks/Abilities
---
Double Acts
Physical: ~220 Attack Power
Purple Breath: ~160 Magic Power. MT
Jump on Party: ~170 Attack Power. MT

Viktor/Freed Y/Riou/Nanami/Eilie/Kahn
HP: 320/221/243/194/217/254 (242)
ATK: 181/77/99/90/94/86
DEF: 141/105/104/97/102/96 (108)
SPD: 77/69/82/92/75/69
MAG: 44/55/75/56/66/75
MDEF: 69/70/77/75/75/78 (74)

Comments: Decent damage. Kahn's Charm Arrow smashes it up pretty badly.

Amada vs. Riou
~250 HP
~130 ATK
~45 Defense

Lv26 Riou
265 HP
108 ATK
108 DEF

Amada vs. Riou 2
340-350 HP
~175 ATK
~65 DEF

44 vs. 66

Lv26 Riou
265 HP
108 ATK
108 DEF

Pest Rat
3500 HP
~35 Defense
~35 Magic Defense

After Riou (~85-90)
After Mukumuku (~75-80)

Attacks/Abilities
---
Double Acts
Rush: ~200 Attack Power. Has some accuracy issues, but it was also against my highly skilled frontline.
Rockfall: ~190 Magic Power. MT
Green Gas: ~165 Magic Power. MT. Poisons?

Riou/Shiro/Nanami/Rina/Luc/Mukumuku
HP: 287/257/229/224/238/188 (237)
ATK: 112/149/97/92/59/136
DEF: 112/140/103/88/66/118 (105)
MAG: 83/62/60/96/119/53
SPD: 91/105/102/74/111/81
MDEF: 85/84/83/91/106/62 (85)

Comments: Yes, my choice of a party was a lapse in judgment, but it was the best way to test all of its elemental resistances. And the two animals have Fury or Double-Beat. Still, he probably has 3HKO damage, and if he does Rockfall and Green Gas for his turns, you're in for some hurting. Bright Shield Rune saves the day. I used to say that he was the best Suikoden 2 boss, but now I dunno.

Harpy
7400 HP
~40 Defense
~80 Magic Defense

Immune to Earth

First turn: ~125 SPD
Second turn: ?

Attacks/Abilities
---
Double-Acts
Physical: ~240 Attack Power. Accuracy issues.
Pick Up + Drop: ~205 Attack Power. Can unbalance.
The Shredding: ~235 Magic Power.
Wave: ~300 Magic Power.

Riou/Humphrey/Shiro/Luc/Futch/Rina
HP: 383/483/341/307/356/300
ATK: 175/226/176/96/178/159
DEF: 159/236/171/81/124/115
MAG: 101/53/73/140/75/114
SPD: 109/80/126/130/112/91
MDEF: 103/76/101/136/77/122

Comments: If not for that stupid wave attack, Humphrey could probably solo this fight. Windspun Armor makes him laugh at The Shredding, and he's taking single-digit damage from her physical.

Worm 1
4200 HP
~55 Defense
~120 Magic Defense

Attacks/Abilities
---
Jump: ~200 Attack Power. Hits a column.
Lightning: ~245 Magic Power.

Viktor/Freed Y/Sheena/Stallion/Luc/Riou
HP: 426/342/384/342/325/403
ATK: 220/155/177/154/98/209
DEF: 166/166/150/115/83/162
MAG: 51/73/94/72/146/105
MDEF: 85/91/106/103/141/107

Comments: This guy sucks ass.

Luca Blight
6500 HP
55 Defense
80 Magic Defense
Halves all Damage

Attacks
---
Triple Acts
Triple Slash- 280 Attack Power
Flame Slash- 220 Magic Power (Fire)
Row Slash- 200 Magic Power (Fire)

First Attack After Futch (~110)
Second Attack after Flik and Camus (~100)
Third Attack After Rina and Sheena (~90)

Comments: It's quite easy to underestimate his damage due to Fire Emblems, which halve his fire damage (and they're probably the best accessory for males in this battle. 1 Fire Emblem and 2 Guard Rings [+10 MDEF], if you're really dedicated to making Luca's damage suck. 3 Guard Rings for girls). Average Magic Defense is ~95-100. Average Defense is ~160 (possibly more if fully decked out). These are rough estimates, since I'm too lazy to list 18 people.

As for speed, speedy characters like Futch, Riou, Nanami, Shiro, Valeria, etc go before his first attack, relatively fast characters like Flik and Camus go before his second, and the average go before his third. The sluggish (Humphrey) go after his third. Sorry I couldn't be more concise about this. I'm lazy, and I have a save.

Luca Blight vs. Riou
~500 HP (This is a very rough estimate. I have a bad eye for stuff like this. I think he starts out with ~150 or so)
~280 ATK
~100 DEF

Lv43 Riou
447 HP
172 ATK
168 DEF

Worm 2 
2800 HP
~55 Defense
~120 Magic Defense

Goes after Nanami
2nd After Tir

I think this is the same as the other one, except with less HP.

Poison Moth
6800 HP
~25 Defense
~135 Magic Defense

Immune to Earth

Attacks/Abilities
---
Double Acts
Pick Up and Drop: ~350 Attack Power
Lightning: ~350 Magic Power. MT
Pollen: ~290 Magic Power. MT.

Riou/Viktor/Valeria/Nanami/Luc/Tir
HP: 447/462/438/331/350/434
DEF: 168/203/172/139/95/205
MAG: 113/52/84/79/154/134
MDEF: 115/90/99/107/138/131
SPD: 122/96/123/130/142/116

Comments: Yowch. If he double-Lightnings, you're fucked. Thankfully, you win this battle even if you lose, so it's nothing too bad. He doesn't really fall that fast, but Tir should get off a Judgment, at least.

Sierra
2800 HP
~90 Defense
~140 Magic Defense
Strong to Darkness, Fire, Lightning
Weak to Holy and Resurrection.

Fast (after Riou. Sometimes goes first)
2nd before Viktor

Attacks/Abilities
---
Double Acts
Physical: ~250 Attack Power
Bat Physical: ~325 Attack Power
Row Slash: ~265 Attack Power

Valeria/Riou/Viktor/Nanami/Luc/Kahn
HP: 449/447/473/339/350/482
ATK: 230/200/261/188/123/177
DEF: 203/168/212/140/100/170
MAG: 87/113/53/80/154/115
MDEF: 101/115/91/109/148/118
SPD: 125/122/98/132/142/105

Comments: Nothing much to say here. Charm Arrow should easily clear a third to one half of her life, but she does have some inconvenient resistances.

Stone Golem
7500 HP
~100 Defense
~50 Magic Defense
Weak to Lightning

Goes last (<101)

Attacks/Abilities
---
Spiky Rock Attack: ~235 Magic Power. MT
Punch: ~390 Attack Power. Hits Frontrow.
Laser: ~360 Magic Power. MT

Valeria/Riou/Viktor/Nanami/Luc/Kahn
HP: 460/458/496/355/358/482
ATK: 232/202/262/189/123/177
DEF: 205/170/217/144/100/170
MAG: 88/115/54/83/157/115
MDEF: 103/117/95/112/151/118
SPD: 127/124/101/137/145/105

Comments: He lasts a long time, but he to be around solely to waste your charges.

Neclord
4500 HP
~100 Defense
~130 Magic Defense
Weak to Resurrection
Strong to Earth and Fire

1st Act: After Valeria (~130)
2nd Act: After Riou (~125?)

Attacks/Abilities
---
Double-Acts
Physical: ~280 Attack Power
Purple Magic Attack: ~200 Magic Power. MT
Purple Lightning: ~380 Magic Power. MT
Laser: Causes ID. IIRC, Niu said this was 70%. Dragged out the battle, and it went 3 for 3. He rarely ever uses it.

Valeria/Riou/Viktor/Nanami/Luc/Kahn
HP: 481/481/530/380/384/502
ATK: 237/204/267/192/126/181
DEF: 208/174/224/148/103/173
MAG: 91/119/57/87/166/119
MDEF: 106/121/100/118/158/122
SPD: 131/129/104/143/151/109

Comments: This form isn't actually that bad for damage (or that ID), but he can be one turned so easily that it isn't funny (Tir's Judgment, Thor Shot, Viktor with Double-Beat/Fury). Neclord 1 has respectable durability, but not the ID, which is something he might opt for. Maybe.

Lucia
1500 HP
100 Defense
~100 Magic Defense

Attacks/Abilities
---
Physical: ~250 Attack Power.
Fire Magic: ~230 Magic Power

Lv47 Riou
491 HP
221 ATK
136 MAG
123 MDEF
178 DEF

Comments: The battle ends after a few turns. It's funny to see how Lucia progresses after each battle (she gains an attack after each one).

Lucia
4700 HP
~100 Defense
~100 Magic Defense
Acts after Nanami (~140)
2nd act after Riou (~130)

Attacks/Abilities
Double Acts
Physical: ~305 Attack Power.
Fire Attack: ~310 Magic Power. MT
Fire Attack 2: ~250 Magic Power. MT

Riou/Valeria/Nanami/Luc/Kahn
HP: 491/491/389/393/502
DEF: 180/210/150/104/173
MAG: 136/93/89/169/119
MDEF: 123/108/120/161/122
SPD: 131/133/145/153/109

Comments: She comes with some Karayan fodder.

Bone Dragon
8900 HP
~75 Defense
Weak to Holy, Wind, Resurrection
Strong to Darkness, Fire
Immune to Lightning
Slower than everyone (<112)

Attacks/Abilities
---
Physical: ~600 Attack Power.
Purple Breath: ~365 Magic Power. MT
Meteor: ~500 Magic Power. MT

Lv49 Riou/Valeria/Nanami/Luc/Kahn
HP: 512/513/407/410/523
ATK: 225/244/196/128/185
DEF: 182/213/154/105/177
MDEF: 127/111/124/165/126
MAG: 140/95/92/174/123
SPD: 135/137/149/157/112

Comments: For the last two bosses, I used Anita (who is bugged in my game. The level 99 one), so that's why I only listed 5 people.

Anyhow, the Bone Dragon is badass.

Gold Wolf
3500 HP
~60 Defense
~100 Magic Defense

Strong to Darkness, Holy, Fire, Wind, Earth, Lightning, and Resurrection

1st goes before Nanami.
2nd goes after Nanami.

Attacks/Abilities
---
Double-Acts
Physical: ~380 Attack Power
ST Lightning: ~300 Magic Power.
MT Purple Flying Things: ~270 Magic Power.

Lv50 Riou/Valeria/Lv46 Viktor/Luc/Nanami/Kahn
HP: 522/524/530/419/416/523
ATK: 227/246/267/129/198/185
DEF: 184/214/224/106/156/177
MDEF: 129/113/100/167/126/126
SPD: 137/139/104/159/151/112
MAG: 142/97/57/177/94/123

Gorudo
4500 HP
120 Defense
~85 Magic Defense
Slow.

Attack/Abilities
---
Physical- 350 Attack Power.
Earth Attack- 240 Attack Power.
Earthquake- 270 Attack Power.

Riou
HP: 566
ATK: 236
DEF: 191
MDEF: 137
MAG: 150
SPD: 146

Comments: To be fair, Gorudo is fighting two of the more evasive characters in the game, Jowy and Riou. I don't think he's any worse than any other Suikoden 2 boss (in terms of accuracy) when it comes down to it. Still, Hungry Friend and Forgiver Sign take off ~3500 HP.

Lucia
6500 HP
100 Defense
120 Magic Defense

Attacks/Abilities
---
Triple Acts
Dancing Flames- ~280-290 Attack Power
FLAMING NINJASTARS!- 330 Attack Power
Physical- 420 Attack Power. She has better accuracy than most, but she still misses Riou a bit (who, to be fair, has ~180 TECH).

After Luc (~160)
After Jowy (~140)
After Flik (~120-130?)

Levels ~53-57
Riou/Flik/Valeria/Jowy/Luc/Tir
HP: 599/581/590/493/469/586
DEF: 213/260/243/223/123/256
MDEF: 143/116/124/152/170/152
MAG: 141/153/105/157/192/168
SPD: 152/134/151/140/172/144

Comments: ... yeah, she's pretty nasty. With triple turns and an impressive physical, she can deal death as good or better than most of the others. Good HP, too. She does miss a bit, but not nearly as bad as Seed or Culgan. Still, in game, having Fire Emblems around lessen the impact of her damage (which would be insane if she used the Flaming Ninjastar attack three times).

I guess it wouldn't kill me to use slower characters to get more accurate numbers on her speeds.

Han vs. Riou
~500? Blah.
~340 ATK
~210 Defense

Lv58 Riou
609 HP
322 ATK
215 DEF

Culgan
~3800 HP
100 Defense (nothing special)
135 Magic Defense
Halves Lightning and Holy spells

Attacks/Abilities
---
Acts twice
Physical- 450 Attack Power
Thor Shot- 280 Attack Power
Healing Rain- 600 HP healed.

Seed
4200 HP
110 Defense
~100 Magic Defense
Halves Fire spells

Attacks/Abilities
---
Double Acts
Flaming Arrows- ~260-270? Attack Power (dunno why it fluctuates. I made sure not to have any fire-resisting equips)
Physical- 480 Attack Power.
Silent Lake- Prevents Magic use for 3 rounds.

Thunder + Physical Unite- 550 Attack Power (It uses defense in the equation, despite the presence of Thunder. I know that it's useless in the DL)

Riou/Flik/Valeria/Jowy/Luc/Tir
HP: 609/603/613/523/477/607
ATK: 322/305/310/299/155/332
DEF: 215/264/246/229/124/260
MDEF: 145/119/126/160/172/156
MAG: 143/157/107/163/194/163
SPD: 154/138/156/147/174/148

Turn Order
---
Luc > Culgan > Valeria > Riou > Seed > Tir > Seed > Jowy > Flik > Culgan
Luc > Valeria > Riou > Culgan > Culgan and Seed > Tir > Jowy > Flik > Culgan and Seed
Luc > Valeria > Riou > Seed > Tir > Seed > Culgan > Jowy > Flik > Culgan

Goddammit, I hate these two when it comes to speed.

Beast Rune
Triple Acts (The heads can act three times. The legs count as an action, and the unite is the BR's entire turn).

Left Head
4800 HP

Green Magic Thing: ~390 Magic Power. ST
More Green Magic Things: ~310 Magic Power. MT.

Right Head
4800 HP
Goes after Flik

Sword: ~355 Attack Power. MT

Left Leg
4500 HP
~200 Defense

Purple Ball: Causes random statuses (sleep, unbalance, poison)

Right Leg
5700 HP
~200 Defense

Revives Rune (at half HP).

Rune
3300 HP
~200 Defense

2 Heads + Rune Attack: Damage on this wildly fluctuated. ~550-600 Magic Power. MT
While this is around, the Heads are immune to physicals.

Riou/Flik/Valeria/Jowy/Luc/Tir
HP: 624/626/628/542/500/628
ATK: 325/309/313/303/158/336
DEF: 217/268/247/233/126/264
MDEF: 147/122/128/165/177/161
MAG: 146/161/110/168/200/178
SPD: 156/142/159/151/178/151

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Re: Suikoden 2
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2009, 04:32:12 AM »
Going on the idea of allowing Suikoden PCs storebought runes if they have a high affinity for the matching  element. Here's a list of all the A-ranked affinities.

Gantetsu   Resurrection
Jowy     Dark
Kahn     Resurrection
Killey    Dark, Fire, Lightning
Luc      Dark, Earth, Water, Wind
Mazus    Fire, Lighting, Resurrection
McDohl   Dark
Meg      Lightning, Wind
Millie    Pale Gate, Fire, Lightning
Nina     Fire
Sierra    Dark, Lightning
Stallion   Wind
Tomo    Earth
Tuta     Water
Yoshino   Water
Zamza   Fire

Notable changes: Killey and Luc get access to the Darkness Rune's ID hax. A few runeless mages pick up some much-needed magical offense (Meg, Millie, Nina, Stallion). Sierra gets a Lightning Rune!

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Re: Suikoden 2
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2010, 02:00:32 AM »

There's an error in the OP's listed L4 average kill point numbers.

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Straight (No More Runes) Scale: 492 (519 with Temps) (1230/1298 KO Points)
Fire Emblems & Straight Scale: 524 (550 with Tempes) (1310/1375 KO Points)
L4 Average: 550 (575) (1350/1438 KO)
L4 and Fire Emblems: 576 (600) (1440/1500 KO)

550 x 2.5 is 1375, not 1350.

Just wanted to point that out.
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Re: Suikoden 2
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2010, 08:39:28 PM »
From GameFAQs:

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the White Tiger Rune, for instance, never randomly criticals - it ALWAYS criticals when the user is red health.

He also questioned if Anita's Falcon Rune can crit. I vaguely recall Gourry saying it could, but it just lacked an animation... still, can anyone confirm this?

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Re: Suikoden 2
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2013, 08:10:14 PM »
Per the Elf's request: the support spells from the Earth Rune (Clay Guardian, Revenge Earth, Canopy Defense and that other one I can't remember because there are no ranked S2 Mother Earth users), along with Silent Lake, have a 40 speed bonus for the turn they're cast.
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Re: Suikoden 2
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2013, 08:56:15 PM »
Great Blessing and Battle Oath also fall into that category, as do Kindness Drops, Protect Mist and Kindness Rain.

EDIT: They don't get +40 speed, though. I believe it is 35.

EDIT2: Yes, the speed boost is 35 speed, not 40.

EDIT3: Scream also falls into this category. I believe we can pretty safely say any defensive spell or healing spell gets this bonus.
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Re: Suikoden 2
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 09:36:03 PM »
Oh, so it's 35? Roughly the standard deviation for the game!
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Re: Suikoden 2
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2013, 03:56:54 AM »
Lucia's FLAMING NINJASTARS appears to be non-elemental (or possibly some non-fire element) despite all appearances/logic; it did 270 damage to Georg wearing fire-resistant equips (who did resist Dancing Flames as expected). This could probably use confirmation beyond this one isolated observation.

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Re: Suikoden 2
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2013, 10:52:45 PM »
One more thing: boss stats. Gourry has all their attacks listed, as well as better estimates on their speed (due to multi-acting messing with things) than raw numbers can provide, but this may be useful, in particular for Tec.

S2 statuses are death, sleep, silence, poison, and stun. Boss resistances to these usually aren't too great. S2 poison really sucks though (20 damage a turn!) so ymmv if you want to see far better poisons having their full effect here. It might depend on game of origin for me.

(credit to Suikosource for all numbers here)

Luca
Str 210, Mag 95, Def 62, MDef 82, Tech 115, Spd 115, Luck 72
Halves all damage (save ITD via hacking?), immune to sleep/death, halves silence

High tech, for the time, meaning good accuracy and a noticeable pinch of evasion. The PCs probably gain about 40 points of tech between now and Seed/Culgan (a bit less by Lucia), so scaled he clearly beats every other boss listed here.

Neclord
Str 270, Mag 137, Def 95, MDef 130, Tech 82, Spd 125, Luck 36
Halves fire/earth, weak to holy, immune to sleep/death

I believe his physical is ITE for what it's worth. That accuracy would be awful otherwise.

Gorudo
Str 300, Mag 98, Def 107, MDef 87, Tech 115, Spd 98, Luck 57
No listed immunities or resistances. If you could ID him with a Darkness Rune that'd be hilarious, I'm skeptical that this might be a typo though...

His speed is bad, and not just because he's fighting two fast PCs.

Lucia the 3rd
Str 320, Mag 135, Def 108, MDef 117, Tech 128, Spd 147, Luck 110
Immunes death, resists sleep

Culgan
Str 300, Mag 156, Def 103, MDef 135, Tech 129, Spd 146, Luck 117
Halves lightning/holy, immunes death, resists sleep

Seed
Str 320, Mag 127, Def 117, MDef 98, Tech 127, Spd 155, Luck 125
Halves fire, immunes death

Sleep! You can hit him with it. Too bad S2 sleep kinda sucks.
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Re: Suikoden 2
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2016, 09:57:12 PM »
So, I'm working on a new S2 topic, but I wanted to get some opinions on one thing specifically:

Thunder Amulets- I'm thinking of limiting these to 1-2 per person. The reasoning is that basically 3 would be much more useful in game compared to the DL (in game generally if you have 2, you are very reliably hitting against most things), they come pretty late towards the end and the way the accuracy mechanics work, your PCs already get a good boost at endgame compared to midgame and earlygame. As such, I'm thinking that only allowing 2 at least keeps some semblance of the curve you see in game most of the time. Thoughts?
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