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Re: Miscellaneous Links 2009 - The Re-Vengeance
« Reply #425 on: April 29, 2009, 02:35:17 AM »
The high cost, low return games are the things that put studios out of business, so don't expect to sell many companies on making them - at best, they're prestige projects like Shenmue that arguably sell the system and build goodwill even if sales aren't as much as hoped.
Actually no: the majority of videogames don't make money.  4 years ago it was something like 90% of all games made fell below profit levels.  These days I'm guessing lower development costs and a broader casual market has made that number more reasonable (which is good; the industry probably would have crashed if the Wii and its ilk hadn't come along).  But...generally the current business model of the game industry is...try 10 things, 9 of them fail, one of them sticks and makes you ridiculous amounts of money, then you milk that franchise for the next several years.

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Re: Miscellaneous Links 2009 - The Re-Vengeance
« Reply #426 on: April 29, 2009, 02:36:15 AM »
<randomjab>I'm pretty sure NISA does "B-localizations" now too.</randomjab>

Them's fightin' words! >:(

NISA's been seriously slacking off as of late. Their translations always had a few glaring grammar errors and typos (*Waves to MK.*), but they've gone into "FFT beats up and yanks your lunch money in recess" with Rhapsody DS and, more notably, AT2, which even introduced gamebreaking glitches that didn't exist in the original because they were lazy.
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Re: Miscellaneous Links 2009 - The Re-Vengeance
« Reply #427 on: April 29, 2009, 02:56:31 AM »
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« Reply #428 on: April 29, 2009, 10:04:27 AM »
<randomjab>I'm pretty sure NISA does "B-localizations" now too.</randomjab>

Them's fightin' words! >:(

NISA's been seriously slacking off as of late. Their translations always had a few glaring grammar errors and typos (*Waves to MK.*), but they've gone into "FFT beats up and yanks your lunch money in recess" with Rhapsody DS and, more notably, AT2, which even introduced gamebreaking glitches that didn't exist in the original because they were lazy.

If anything, giving them a B-rating after AT 2 is being way, way too nice.
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« Reply #429 on: April 29, 2009, 02:25:35 PM »
<randomjab>I'm pretty sure NISA does "B-localizations" now too.</randomjab>

Them's fightin' words! >:(

NISA's been seriously slacking off as of late. Their translations always had a few glaring grammar errors and typos (*Waves to MK.*), but they've gone into "FFT beats up and yanks your lunch money in recess" with Rhapsody DS and, more notably, AT2, which even introduced gamebreaking glitches that didn't exist in the original because they were lazy.

If anything, giving them a B-rating after AT 2 is being way, way too nice.

Seriously.  Why exactly are you defending them after the disasters in localization their last couple games have been?  I mean, I enjoyed AT2 a lot but that localization job was fucking pathetic.  It's like they didn't hire any editors OR playtesters.

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« Reply #430 on: April 29, 2009, 03:18:21 PM »
<randomjab>I'm pretty sure NISA does "B-localizations" now too.</randomjab>

Them's fightin' words! >:(

NISA's been seriously slacking off as of late. Their translations always had a few glaring grammar errors and typos (*Waves to MK.*), but they've gone into "FFT beats up and yanks your lunch money in recess" with Rhapsody DS and, more notably, AT2, which even introduced gamebreaking glitches that didn't exist in the original because they were lazy.

If anything, giving them a B-rating after AT 2 is being way, way too nice.

Seriously.  Why exactly are you defending them after the disasters in localization their last couple games have been?  I mean, I enjoyed AT2 a lot but that localization job was fucking pathetic.  It's like they didn't hire any editors OR playtesters.

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« Reply #431 on: April 29, 2009, 03:32:09 PM »
I dunno. Would dubious achievements in otaku vocabulary make you more or less of a B-game?

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« Reply #432 on: April 29, 2009, 04:58:46 PM »
http://notalwaysright.com/preserving-life-1-up-at-a-time/1880

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« Reply #433 on: April 29, 2009, 11:59:15 PM »
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Re: Miscellaneous Links 2009 - The Re-Vengeance
« Reply #434 on: April 30, 2009, 02:39:54 AM »
<randomjab>I'm pretty sure NISA does "B-localizations" now too.</randomjab>

Them's fightin' words! >:(

NISA's been seriously slacking off as of late. Their translations always had a few glaring grammar errors and typos (*Waves to MK.*), but they've gone into "FFT beats up and yanks your lunch money in recess" with Rhapsody DS and, more notably, AT2, which even introduced gamebreaking glitches that didn't exist in the original because they were lazy.

If anything, giving them a B-rating after AT 2 is being way, way too nice.

Seriously.  Why exactly are you defending them after the disasters in localization their last couple games have been?  I mean, I enjoyed AT2 a lot but that localization job was fucking pathetic.  It's like they didn't hire any editors OR playtesters.

I haven't been in the country since Rhapsody DS and AT2 have been released... I haven't played them.

It's a shame to hear that the quality of their localizations has gone down... I'm a big fan of their older releases.

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« Reply #435 on: April 30, 2009, 03:03:29 AM »
It's worth recapping what they did to AT2 then, since it was really bad.

First, as there apparantly wasn't enough room for two complete voice tracks, they removed large portions of the JP dubbing (including some important stuff too, I think? Tal should know the details). The English track is similarly incomplete, meaning large segments of the game that were voiced in the original are unvoiced no matter what language you pick.

Second, the game has a significant number of spelling and grammatical mistakes.

Third, there's some sort of save-corrupting glitch that killed Snow's file permanently.

Fourth, there's a game-freezing bug that forces you to beat a certain boss before the end of the third defense phase, whatever that means. Said boss is both required to complete the game *and* is fought 15 times in an aftergame sidequest with increasing difficulty each time, making that sidequest impossible to complete.

On, and NISA refused to do anything to fix these issues, especially the last one.

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« Reply #436 on: April 30, 2009, 03:27:04 AM »
A little while ago, mc linked Bulbous Bouffant, a sketch by some top-notch Canadian Comedians named The Vestibules (nee Radio Free Vestibule).  I didn't know their stuff was still kicking around, but I've loved these guys since I was a kid.  Here are three things of theirs that are even more infinitely awesome.

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« Reply #437 on: April 30, 2009, 05:00:38 AM »
It's worth recapping what they did to AT2 then, since it was really bad.

First, as there apparantly wasn't enough room for two complete voice tracks, they removed large portions of the JP dubbing (including some important stuff too, I think? Tal should know the details). The English track is similarly incomplete, meaning large segments of the game that were voiced in the original are unvoiced no matter what language you pick.

Second, the game has a significant number of spelling and grammatical mistakes.

Third, there's some sort of save-corrupting glitch that killed Snow's file permanently.

Fourth, there's a game-freezing bug that forces you to beat a certain boss before the end of the third defense phase, whatever that means. Said boss is both required to complete the game *and* is fought 15 times in an aftergame sidequest with increasing difficulty each time, making that sidequest impossible to complete.

On, and NISA refused to do anything to fix these issues, especially the last one.

There are also segments where the Japanese VA is still in the game even if you picked the English one, and one commonly recurring segment has an intro that was never translated so the text still shows up in Japanese.

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Re: Miscellaneous Links 2009 - The Re-Vengeance
« Reply #438 on: April 30, 2009, 06:56:24 AM »
That is pretty heinous...

Are all of NISA's recent localizations this bad?

I mean, even one bad release kind of lowers my once-spotless opinion of them, but I'd like to figure out if there's some reason for the sudden drop in quality...


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« Reply #439 on: April 30, 2009, 07:04:28 AM »
I distinctly recall Dis2's translation needing at least a month extra with an editor 'cause it was kinda unpolished. AT2 is just plain special though.


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« Reply #440 on: April 30, 2009, 08:47:11 PM »
First, as there apparantly wasn't enough room for two complete voice tracks, they removed large portions of the JP dubbing (including some important stuff too, I think? Tal should know the details). The English track is similarly incomplete, meaning large segments of the game that were voiced in the original are unvoiced no matter what language you pick.

Specifically, the original JP track had about 10k lines, while the COMBINED TOTAL of the JP/US tracks on the US version has about 9k, that is, 4.5k or less than half of the original each.  Things taken out also includes basically the entire ending and a bunch of late cosmosphere stuff.

Third, there's some sort of save-corrupting glitch that killed Snow's file permanently.

To be fair, I'm not sure this is a localization issue, and am partially convinced that it might be Snow's memory card.  Gust games have always had weird save mechanics in general, and there's nothing NISA can do about that anyway.

Fourth, there's a game-freezing bug that forces you to beat a certain boss before the end of the third defense phase, whatever that means. Said boss is both required to complete the game *and* is fought 15 times in an aftergame sidequest with increasing difficulty each time, making that sidequest impossible to complete.

Think Valkyrie Profile style battle system.  Third defense phase would be the third time the enemy side attacks, so you get three turns before then (unless their speed stat is higher or something).  It's not hard to kill the boss in three turns in the required fight (I could've done it in two if I unleashed my charged magic on turn 2 but I was going for overkill for lulz).  The optional fights are doable by abusing an oversight in the battle mechanics, but that's too much of a pain and boring anyway.

Are all of NISA's recent localizations this bad?

They're... more just really halfassed.  For Rhapsody DS they just yoinked the old Atlus translation and used it word for word, complete with grammatical errors.  The extra content exclusive to the DS version was never translated because I guess they were just too lazy.

And really, as people have said, all of their releases in the last while have had grammatical errors all over the place.  I assume they don't have a proofreader and in the case of Ar tonelico 2, they just had some third graders translate it (actually I think third graders would have done a better job grammatically at least).

Personally, I don't find these game ruining, but NISA has become really really lazy as of late.  It's really frustrating because these are actually good games they're dealing with.  I really wanted to see the extra content in Rhapsody DS...  (Also, Cherie ranking hype!)

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Re: Miscellaneous Links 2009 - The Re-Vengeance
« Reply #442 on: May 03, 2009, 01:40:39 AM »
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Re: Miscellaneous Links 2009 - The Re-Vengeance
« Reply #443 on: May 03, 2009, 07:31:12 AM »
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/playback/playback-42/1310463 (Video)

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« Reply #444 on: May 03, 2009, 12:11:49 PM »
Actually, I don't know why they brought that up as something new, that's been around for ages.  I've seen it linked on Dreamcast homebrew sites for years.

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« Reply #445 on: May 03, 2009, 12:58:44 PM »
Yahoo is a horrible news source for game information.

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« Reply #446 on: May 03, 2009, 01:17:21 PM »
Me? Not being up to date on something?

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« Reply #447 on: May 03, 2009, 01:59:09 PM »
More like the existence of cheap Dreamcasts only being noteworthy during a recession is not shocking.  I mean I had fun with the one I used to play, but fuck me it isn't worth giving a shit about enough to be up to date on the going rate of them.
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« Reply #448 on: May 04, 2009, 01:42:19 AM »
That's not even cheap.  New Dreamcasts sold for $30 at the end of their run.  And I still didn't buy one.

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« Reply #449 on: May 04, 2009, 01:44:25 AM »
Hell, Gamecubes sell for $30 right now, and it has ports of half of the DC's good games.
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