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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2009, 11:44:04 PM »
Nope, you weren't included in the 15.
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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2009, 12:58:51 AM »
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (FW Naesala)
Yes.
No.
Need to boot an equal amount of ranked FE characters before I will agree to ranking any more.

Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis
No.
Abstain.

Mega Man X: Command Mission
No.
Abstain.
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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2009, 01:21:54 AM »
15/20 does include Tal, and I fail for not doublechecking my numbers there. Sorry. Response in a sec.

Edit: BoF5's good on internal and has always struggled. GS of all things has been the opposite. Why Saturos can succeed.. well, whatever.


<i>(b) The DL is a slow-moving community when it comes to RPG playing. We never rank things right after they come out - if something makes it under six months, it's likely been an unusually viral game in the group. Typically we're closer to a year wait, but we've gone much further in the past. SD3 was a decade, Pokemon GSC/RSE was half that, same with Legaia 2, etc. This has never seemed to affect DL success of a game.</i>

SD3 and GSC's issues keeping it out of the DL had nothing to do with age or drawing, and had to do with specific issues. If we were to rank KH this period, it'd be because enough people decided the interp issues didn't justify keeping it out. Legaia 2 was an internal ranking by and large.  It's age was a strike against it, but... it managed to do just well enough with the good internal to make it workable in the DL. Having an extremely memorable DL cast helps as well, which CM has going for it.

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Cross-referencing this with DL success, it's hardly a one-to-one thing (FF3, a well-known FF game, certainly has drawn better than DDS, which got a huge internal push to reach rankability), but generally, games with more internal do better. When we have tried to rank things with terrible internal on the basis of a good external, the results have not been good:


I've went back and looked hard at everything we've ranked since late 2004, and you're right. Every single title (BoF5 excepted, that game has issues with it's boss cast) has done well that's had the internal, even fairly hardcore ideas like DDS. Switching to a yes on MMXCM, abstain on bosses.

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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2009, 02:29:30 AM »
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Why Saturos can succeed.. well, whatever.

All of golden sun "succeeds." It's not one of those games where casuals antivote it, it always does as good as or better than you'd expect. When it loses, it earns its losses.

Face it, it's a popular game outside of the DL.
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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2009, 04:57:42 AM »
Quote from: Meeplelard on February 14, 2009, 03:24:48 PM
The "Cross Genre" thing is a weak argument.  Again, see Super Mario RPG with Sage.

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But I don't think this alone should hold a game back, but I have multiple small complaints that just started to add up.

We agree.

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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2009, 02:20:16 PM »
Naesala
1. Yup
2. Yup
3. We need more FE chars.


MK
1. Yup
2. Sure, PCs, Tony, Renee, Isolde.  Abstain on final boss.


CM
1. No
2. Abstain
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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2009, 05:01:47 PM »
Yes to all the games. Free hugs!

Naesala
Yes
Yes

MK
Partial
Yes, PCs, Tony, Renee, Isolde. No to everything else.


MMXCM
Yes
Yes
Rank the PCs, Botos, Ferham, Epsilon, the final boss (grrr). No to everything else.
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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2009, 06:39:58 PM »
Naesala
Yes
Yes (Though FE 10 form would make more sense once it gets ranked)

MK
No
Abstain

MMXCM
No
Abstain
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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2009, 12:24:28 AM »
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (FW Naesala)

No.
Abstain.
From what I understand, he was originally not ranked because of possible formsplit/interpretation issues. Having not played the game, I'm not in a position to evaluate this.

Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis

Yes.
Yes.
Rank all PCs, Tony, Renee and Isolde.

Mega Man X: Command Mission

Yes.
Yes.
Rank all PCs, Epsilon, final boss. I'm also obligated to support Ferham, because what about "flying robot whip girl" does NOT scream "Cid bait?"
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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2009, 06:39:06 AM »
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (FW Naesala)
No
Abstain

Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis
Yes
Yes
Rank PCs, Tony, Renee, Isolde, Crazed Eye

Mega Man X: Command Mission
Yes
Yes
Rank PCs except for Spider, Epsilon, final boss
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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2009, 03:50:03 AM »
FE's Naesala
Haven't Played
Abstain  (If this was a Beast Laguz we were talking about, this would be a "Yes" to grant representatives for all 3 races.)

Mana Khemia:
Haven't Played
Abstain

MMXCM:
Currently at Botos (Ch. 7 Boss)
Yes to the Game, Specifics below:
Endgame PCs:  Yes.  I don't really need to explain this one, do I?  Well, maybe the Italicized section...
Final Boss and the Cadre (Epsilon, Scarface, Ferham, and Botos):  Abstain.  Tal's wisdom guides me here, that until I see the issues for myself it would be better to just go with what I know (the PCs).
Shadow:  Also Abstain.  Here, I don't think it's right to let a mid-game boss (albeit with enough plot to justify) in when I'm not letting the Finals in.  The rest of the Cadre also outranks him in this regard, IMO.
Anyone not mentioned above:  No.  A BIG NO to Hippopressor.  I mean, we might as well have Croco and/or Belome (both from SMRPG) as FWs in 4 months.  (That having been said, Hippopressor deserves to be in NR, if we get that back up...)

Oh, and Spoilerish reasons for the Emphasis:

Okay.  Everything that I've read that deals with the endgame gives me a good reason not to rank a certain temp.  Which raises a question which I can ask because I have played Lufia 1:  "Why is Lufia (the Character) ranked when Erim is?"  My Nay vote in the case of that Temp is to prevent the DL from getting another "Lufia".  If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to Nom this guy as a FW.
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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #61 on: February 19, 2009, 05:47:12 AM »
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (FW Naesala)

Yes.
Yes.

Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis

Yes.
Yes.
Rank the PCs, Tony, Renee, and Isolde. No to the Final.

Mega Man X: Command Mission

No.
Yes.
Rank the PCs, Epsilon, and the Final. No to the rest.
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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2009, 08:04:38 PM »
Naesala

Yes
Yes

Mana Khemia

No
Abstain

Command Mission

No
Abstain
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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #63 on: February 19, 2009, 09:35:22 PM »
This closes tonight, get your votes in soon.
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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #64 on: February 20, 2009, 12:32:48 AM »
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (FW Naesala)

1. Played FE9.
2. Abstain. I don't mind Naesala but the potential for the stupid boss form could arise if ranked FE9 only and that bothers me a fair bit. I doubt I'd mind him though.

Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis
1. Played it.
2. Rank it. (PCs, Tony, Renee, Isolde)


Mega Man X: Command Mission
1. Played some of it.
2. Rank PCs, no to bosses.
3. I don't feel the game would be strong enough to support a boss cast offhand. I suppose I have to finish it now. That kinda sucks but I'll probably live.
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Re: Season 49 Rankings - Making the final cut
« Reply #65 on: February 20, 2009, 03:57:12 AM »
Naesala
Haven't played.
Rank.

Mana Khemia
Played.
Rank the PCs and those three other dudes.

MMXCM
Haven't played, but own.
Rank PCs, final, Epsilon, Scar, Ferham, Shadow, Bottos.
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