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Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« on: January 07, 2008, 02:07:14 PM »
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here...

No, not really.  Due to the above line, I figured it might be a good idea to compose this topic once more into a more concentrated, easier to read (and smaller, more organized) topic, compiling the most important aspects people likely care about if they're looking for damage numbers and the like.  

First off, insane thanks to Neph and Captain K., as well as Niu and Clear Tranquil, and anyone else I'm fogetting, for their work on the original ones.  Captain K. provided extreme assistance with character base stats, while Neph worked on figuring out skill multipliers and resistance information.  Niu, as always, assisted in helping with the extremely esoteric features of the game.  Clear Tranquil pretty much went insane on Peppita and figured out how her weird skills worked, which was a major help.  

Anyway...this is a typical Star Ocean game with some small differences.  I'll get to those later...stats first

HP: Die if these reach 0, used for some skills
MP: Die if these reach 0, used for some skills
ATT: Strengthens physical damage
DEF: Unstrengthens physical damage
HIT: Allows a physical attack to overcome AGL
AGL: Similar to evasion, if this is high enough, physicals kind of don't hit the mark
INT: Strengthens magic damage; does not act as magic defense

Like most Star Ocean games, this is an action RPG, where characters move in a 3D space.  In terms of attacks, there are 2 types, X and O.  X attacks are weak attacks.  O attacks are strong attacks.  Either can be used from medium/long-range or short-range, and the effects are usually a bit different.  In addition, all battle skills have the same stipulations (must be set to an X or O slot, long-range or short-range, etc.), which can affect canceling.

What is canceling?  In Star Ocean 3, characters have a gauge called the Fury Bar.  The Fury Bar ranges from 0 to 100, and dictates how often a character can attack.  If a character has 100 fury, they can use it to make an attack costing any amount of fury.  If the bar is only filled up to 20, only attacks that use 20 or less fury can be used.  In addition, cancel-combos work by utilizing the filled fury bars.  If a character uses an X attack, followed by an X skill, followed by an O skill, as long as the character has fury, they will chain each of those actions together in a combo.  In addition, each skill used will bestow a damage bonus on subsequent attacks as follows:

100% - 125% - 175% - 225% - 300% - 300% - ad infinitum

The first attack will be at normal power, second chain at 125% power, etc.  A character must have the requisite fury and (if necessary) HP/MP to attack.  If a character is running, and not attacking, their fury is 99 - if standing still, it's 100.  Moving requires 1 fury total for the character to move.  Completely random, but for 100% fury bar damages, I'll be using 99, not 100.

O attacks break enemy guard.  At full fury, characters get a fury shield effect that basically prevents X attacks from connecting.  O attacks break this.  You could argue them breaking evade, I suppose.    

Levels are taken at level 65.  Equipment is assumed to be the best storebought stuff from Ruddle and Rumina, except in the case of Albel (Crimson Scourge for his weapon) and Adray (The Immortal for his weapon).  Equipment stats will be listed with the characters.  Additional pieces of equipment will be listed in a second post, along with other miscellaneous information.  

All damage numbers listed are HP damage, unless otherwise noted.  For the mages (Adray, Sophia) who can set spells as battle skills, the X listing for the spell is how the spell would work if cast from the menu and not as a battle skill.

Damage numbers assume that Berserk is off and enemy defense is set at 100.  All attacks are assumed to connect fully with all their hits.  All attacks are considered to be at level 0 for simplicity's sake.  This hurts the spellcasters a bit, but simplifies things a lot.  I'll get to them eventually.  Skills that rise with level I will note in the character profiles.  I'm ignoring Charge and Aerial for the characters at the moment.  I'll add them later if pressed.



Fayt Leingod
"Be warned, I won't hold anything back!"
HP: 14482
MP: 2082
ATT: 256 (1056)
DEF: 188 (393)
AGL: 317 (407)
HIT: 371 (421)
INT: 128 (138)

Mithril Sword: +800 ATT, +50 HIT
Battle Armour: +200 DEF, +80 AGL
Maiden of Irisa: +5 DEF, +10 INT, +10 AGL, Escape Speed +20%

Short X: 956x2 (1912); 5 Fury
Long X: 956x2 (1912); 5 Fury
Short O: 1530; 12 Fury
Long O: 2294x2 (4588); 13 Fury

Symbology
Lightning Blast: 59x8 (472); 10 MP, 20 Fury Wind Element
Deep Freeze: 201x4 (804); 80 MP, 30 Fury Water Element
Stone Rain: 214x6 (1284); 80 MP, 40 Fury Earth Element
Explosion: 132x5 + 264x5 (1980); 300 MP, 40 Fury Fire Element

Blade of Fury
X: 765 + 908 + 1338x3 (5687); 20 HP, 20 + 5 + 5 Fury
O: 994 + 1185 + 1740x3 (7399); 5% HP, 47 + 10 + 10 Fury

Blazing Sword
X: 574 HP Damage, 143 MP Damage; 10 MP, 10 Fury
O: 1147 HP Damage, 287 MP Damage; 5% MP, 20 Fury
Fire Element
*This skill adds the listed damage to Fayt's basic physical attacks; it is dispelled upon use of any other battle skill

Side Kick
X: 765x3 (2295); 30 HP, 10 Fury
O: 918x3 (2754); 6% HP, 37 Fury

Ice Blade
X: 956 HP Damage, 124 MP Damage; 12 MP, 10 Fury
O: 1434 HP Damage, 191 MP Damage; 6% MP, 20 Fury
Water Element
*This skill adds the listed damage to Fayt's basic physical attacks; it is dispelled upon use of any other battle skill

Shotgun Blast
X: 765x5 (3825); 25 HP, 20 Fury
O: 1147x5 (5735); 6% HP, 47 Fury
Fire Element

Lightning Blade
X: 478 HP Damage, 163 MP Damage; 16 MP, 10 Fury
O: 956 HP Damage, 325 MP Damage; 7% MP, 20 Fury
Wind Element
*This skill adds the listed damage to Fayt's basic physical attacks; it is dispelled upon use of any other battle skill

Air Raid
X: 478x7 (3346); 300 HP, 40 Fury
O: 717x7 (5019); 10% HP, 67 Fury
*This skill knocks enemies onto the ground upon completion; enemies on the ground in SO3 cannot be attacked until they get up again

Dimension Door (Strayer Void)
X: 57x7 + 3155 (3554); 200 HP, 20 Fury
O: 86x7 + 4732 (5334); 8% HP, 47 Fury
*Inflicts paralysis at ~5% per hit for the first 7 hits, and ~20% per hit for the last, stronger hit
**This skill will drain 1 Fury for every hit beyond 7 of the weaker initial ones - 20 Fury is the cost for 7 hits + 1 hit as noted above: Fayt can continue to inflict weaker hits beyond 7 at 1 Fury per hit, until he reaches 0 Fury, whereupon he will automatically inflict the final, stronger hit

Divine Blade
X: 669 HP Damage, 239 MP Damage; 150 MP, 30 Fury
O: 1138 HP Damage, 411 MP Damage; 15% MP, 70 Fury
*This skill adds the listed damage to Fayt's basic physical attacks; it is dispelled upon use of any other battle skill

Ethereal Blast
X: 860*15 (12900) HP Damage, 96*15 (1440) MP Damage; 500 HP, 70 Fury
O: 1291*15 (19365) HP Damage, 143*15 (2145) MP Damage; 15% HP, 90 Fury



Sophia Esteed
"Lookin' good, if I do say so myself"
HP: 11115
MP: 2769
ATT: 232 (732)
DEF: 64 (194)
AGL: 301 (381)
HIT: 367 (427)
INT: 315 (465)

Adept's Staff: +500 ATT, +150 INT, +60 HIT
Wizard's Robe: +130 DEF, +80 AGL

Short X: 632; 5 Fury
Long X: 316 HP Damage, 126 MP Damage; 5 Fury
Short O: 1770x2 (3540); 12 Fury
Long O: 632 HP Damage, 190 MP Damage; 12 Fury

Symbology
Healing: Heals 35% of a target's max HP, rising by 5% per level to a max of 85% max HP; 20 MP, 20 Fury
Antidote: Cures poison; 10 MP, 20 Fury
Silence: Silences target ~20%, rising by 5% per level to a max of ~70%; 10 MP, 20 Fury
Acid Rain: Lowers targets' defense by 20%; 15 MP, 20 Fury
Protection: Raises defense by 50%; 30 MP, 20 Fury
Cure Condition: Heals negative status; 15 MP, 20 Fury
Restoration: Revives an ally, healing 10% of their max HP and MP, rising by 5% per level up to a maximum of 60% of their max HP and MP; 60 MP, 60 Fury
Power Up: Raises attack by 50%; 30 MP, 20 Fury
Crush: 865x2 (1730); 25 MP, 20 Fury Earth Element
Fairy Light: Heals 35% of all targets' max HP, rising by 5% per level to a max of 85% max HP
Reflection: Reduces magic damage received by 50%; 30 MP, 20 Fury
Dark Sphere: Inflicts instant death to targets ~100% when target is below 10% HP, rising by 5% below max HP per level up to a maximum of ~60%; 200 MP, 40 Fury
Gravitation: Reduces targets' movement speed by 50%; 30 MP, 20 Fury
Angel Feather: Raises all stats by 20%; 30 MP, 20 Fury

Firebolt
X: 263 at level 0 up to a max of 263x4 (1052) at level 9 and above; 10 MP, 20 Fury
O: 342 at level 0 up to a max of 342x4 (1368) at level 9 and above; 5% MP, 42 Fury
Fire Element

Ice Needles
X: 155x5 (775) at level 0 up to a max of 155x10 (1550) at level 8 and above; 10 MP, 20 Fury
O: 202x5 (1025) at level 0 up to a max of 202x10 (2020) at level 9 and above; 5% MP, 42 Fury
Water Element
*Inflicts freeze at ~10% per hit

Lightning Blast
X: 194x8 (1552); 10 MP, 20 Fury
O: 252x8 (2016); 5% MP, 42 Fury
Wind Element

Earth Glaive
X: 263x3 (789); 10 MP, 20 Fury
O: 342x3 (1026); 5% MP, 42 Fury
Earth Element

Efreet
X: 256x4 (1024); 35 MP, 30 Fury
O: 333x4 (1332); 8% MP, 60 Fury
Fire Element

Thunder Flare
X: 191x5 + 698 (1653); 40 MP, 30 Fury
O: 248x5 + 716 (1956); 8% MP, 60 Fury
Wind Element

Deep Freeze
X: 336x4 (1344); 80 MP, 30 Fury
O: 437x4 (1748); 10% MP, 60 Fury
Water Element

Stone Rain
X: 383x6 (2298); 80 MP, 30 Fury
O: 498x6 (2988); 10% MP, 72 Fury
Earth Element

Laser Beams
X: 433x6 (2598); 150 MP, 40 Fury
O: 563x6 (3378); 12% MP, 72 Fury

Explosion
X: 216x5 + 433x5 (3245); 300 MP, 40 Fury
O: 281x5 + 563x5 (4220); 12% MP, 72 Fury
Fire Element

Lightning Strike
X: 583x8 (4664); 300 MP, 50 Fury
O: 758x8 (6064); 12% MP, 86 Fury
Wind Element

Blood Scylla
X: 506x3 (1518) HP Damage, 163x3 (489) MP Damage; 300 MP, 40 Fury
O: 658x3 (1974) HP Damage, 212x3 (636) MP Damage; 12% HP, 72 Fury
*All damage dealt from this move is restored to Sophia, both HP and MP

Southern Cross
X: 433x6 (2598) HP Damage, 74x6 (444) MP Damage; 120 MP, 30 Fury
O: 563x6 (3378) HP Damage, 96x6 (576) MP Damage; 8% MP, 60 Fury

Gremlins
X: 260x6 (1560) HP Damage at level 0 up to a max of 260x10 (2600) at level 8 and above, 93x6 (558) MP Damage at level 0 up to a max of 93x10 (930) at level 8 and above; 50 MP, 30 Fury
O: 338x6 (2028) HP Damage at level 0 up to a max of 338x10 (3380) at level 8 and above, 121x6 (726) MP Damage at level 0 up to a max of 121x10 (1210) at level 8 and above; 6% MP, 60 Fury
Earth Element
*There is a 10% chance per hit that the damage inflicted on that hit will be tripled

Meteor Swarm
O: 533*4*3 (6396) HP Damage at level 0 up to a max of 533*8*3 (12792) at level 10; 15% MP, 96 Fury
Fire Element
*This skill summons 12 meteors that strike randomly around the screen; each meteor that strikes a target hits 3 times; on average, 4 meteors will strike a target at level 0, with 8 striking at level 10; max damage assuming all hits is 44388 at level 0 and 88776 at level 10



Peppita Rossetti
"I'll sign autographs...later"
HP: 12086
MP: 2291
ATT: 263 (1043)
DEF: 108 (268)
AGL: 316 (381)
HIT: 377 (467)
INT: 143

Lunatic's Shoes: +780 ATT, +90 HIT
Ablative Shield: +160 DEF, +65 AGL

Short X: 943; 5 Fury
Long X: 660x2 (1320); 5 Fury
Short O: 2640x3 (7920); 12 Fury
Long O: 1886; 12 Fury

Magic Hook
X: 1415x2 (2830) HP Damage, 47x2 (94) MP Damage; 15 HP, 15 Fury
O: 2122x2 (4244) HP Damage, 75x2 (150) MP Damage; 5% HP, 47 Fury
*Inflicts confusion at ~20% per hit

Frozen Daggers
X: 754x4 (3016); 10 HP, 20 Fury
O: 981x4 (3924); 5% HP, 47 Fury
Water Element
*Inflicts freeze at ~10% per hit

Power Dance
X: Raises ATT by 1.75x at level 0 up to a max of 2.85x at level 10; 20 MP, 15 Fury
O: Raises ATT by 1.75x at level 0 up to a max of 2.85x at level 10; 6% MP, 35 Fury

Instanto Blast
X: 566 HP Damage, 130 MP Damage; 50 HP, 25 Fury
O: 736 HP Damage, 170 MP Damage; 8% HP, 52 Fury
*Inflicts instant death at ~5% per hit

Panic Dance
X: Inflicts Confusion at a 50% rate, rising by 5% per level to a max of 100%; 20 MP, 15 Fury
O: Inflicts Confusion at a 50% rate, rising by 5% per level to a max of 100%; 6% MP, 35 Fury

Kaboom
X: 566*5 (2830); 100 HP, 20 Fury
O: 849*5 (4245); 10% HP, 47 Fury
*Inflicts instant death ~5% per hit
**This skill requires closing within range to hit the target with the spinning aura that appears around Peppita when using this skill

Healing Dance
X: Heals 45 HP per second at level 0 up to a max of 450 HP per 0.2 seconds at level 10; 100 MP, 15 Fury
O: Heals 45 HP per second at level 0 up to a max of 450 HP per 0.2 seconds at level 10; 10% MP, 35 Fury

Fairie Friend
X: 943x10 (9430) HP Damage, 94x10 (940) MP Damage; 80 HP, 20 Fury
O: 1415x10 (14150) HP Damage, 141x10 (1410) MP Damage; 8% HP, 47 Fury

Magical Dance
X: Heals 23 MP per second at level 0 up to a max of 185 MP per 0.2 seconds at level 10; 250 MP, 15 Fury
O: Heals 23 MP per second at level 0 up to a max of 185 MP per 0.2 seconds at level 10; 12% MP, 35 Fury

Dream Hammer
X: 754*39 (29406) HP Damage, 75*39 (2925) MP Damage at level 0; hits 0.5 times per fury at level 0 up to a max of 1 time per fury at level 10; 120 HP, 22 Fury
O: 1509*24 (36216) HP Damage, 151*24 (3624) MP Damage at level 0; hits 0.5 times per fury at level 0 up to a max of 1 time per fury at level 10; 12% HP, 52 Fury
*This skill requires constantly pressing a button and closing to a close enough range to hit the target with the giant fucking hammer that appears



Cliff Fittr
"Moron.  Know your enemy before you strike the first blow"
HP: 15753
MP: 1850
ATT: 308 (1208)
DEF: 161 (361)
AGL: 357 (437)
HIT: 382 (427)
INT: 104

Crest Gauntlet: +900 ATT, +45 HIT
Battle Armour: +200 DEF, +80 AGL

Short X: 665; 10 Fury
Long X: 1108x2 (2216); 10 Fury
Short O: 3102 + 2216 (5318); 15 Fury + 10 Fury
Long O: 3102; 15 Fury

Sphere of Might
X: 443x4 (1772); 20 HP, 15 Fury
O: 665x4 (2660); 6% HP, 35 Fury

Hammer of Might
X: 1994x2 (3988) HP Damage, 22x2 (44) MP Damage; 15 HP, 20 Fury
O: 2992x2 (5984) HP Damage, 33x2 (66) MP Damage; 5% HP, 47 Fury
Fire Element

Electric Fists
X: 776x3 (2328); 20 HP, 9 Fury
O: 1163x3 (3489); 5% HP, 40 Fury

Fiery Tackle
X: 1773; 20 HP, 12 Fury
O: 2659; 5% HP, 35 Fury
Fire Element

Aerial Assault
X: 3878 HP Damage, 587 MP Damage; 80 HP, 20 Fury
O: 5817 HP Damage, 886 MP Damage; 8% HP, 47 Fury

Fists of Fury
X: 222x21 (4662); 300 HP, 20 Fury
O: 266x21 (5586); 10% HP, 47 Fury

Uppercut
X: 665*11 (7315); uses 8 fury per additional hit after activation; 200 HP, 15 Fury
O: 997*6 (5982); uses 12 fury per additional hit after activation; 8% HP, 35 Fury

Acrobat Locus
X: 443x15 (6645); 400 HP, 20 Fury
O: 576x15 (8640); 10% HP, 50 Fury

Infinity Kick
X: 443x11 (4873) HP Damage, 55x11 (605) MP Damage; 600 HP, 30 Fury
O: 576x11 (6336) HP Damage, 78x11 (858) MP Damage; 15% HP, 60 Fury

Max Shockwave
X: 1496x7 (10472) HP Damage, 55x7 (385) MP Damage; 700 HP, 30 Fury
O: 2249x7 (15743) HP Damage, 89x7 (623) MP Damage; 12% HP, 60 Fury



Nel Zelpher
"Death awaits the overconfident.  Remember that"
HP: 12928
MP: 2412
ATT: 301 (1021)
DEF: 148 (328)
AGL: 360 (450)
HIT: 387 (482)
INT: 181

Ice Falchion: +720 ATT, +95 HIT
Battle Chainmail: +180 DEF, +90 AGL

Short X: 921x4 (3684); 10 Fury
Long X: 921; 8 Fury
Short O: 1566; 12 Fury
Long O: 1842; 12 Fury

Symbology
Healing: Heals 35% of a target's max HP, rising by 5% per level to a max of 85% max HP; 20 MP, 20 Fury
Firebolt: 121 at level 0 up to a max of 121x4 (484) at level 9 and above; 10 MP, 20 Fury Fire Element
Ice Needles: 69x5 (345) at level 0 up to a max of 69x10 (690) at level 8 and above; 10 MP, 20 Fury Water Element *Inflicts freeze at ~10% per hit
Lightning Blast: 80x8 (640); 10 MP, 20 Fury Wind Element
Thunder Flare: 77x5 + 272 (657); 40 MP, 30 Fury Wind Element
Lightning Strike: 441x8 (3528); 300 MP, 50 Fury Wind Element

Shockwave
X: 368x4 (1472); 12 HP, 20 Fury
O: 479x4 (1916); 5% HP, 47 Fury

Shadow Wave
X: 645x3 (1935) HP Damage, 92x3 (276) MP Damage; 12 HP, 20 Fury
O: 967x3 (2901) HP Damage, 138x3 (414) MP Damage; 6% HP, 47 Fury

Ice Daggers
X: 921x3 (2763); 30 HP, 40 Fury
O: 1197x3 (3591); 6% HP, 62 Fury
Water Element
*Inflicts freeze at ~25% per hit

Poison Cloud
X: 276x3 (828) HP Damage, 92x3 (276) MP Damage; 12 HP, 10 Fury
O: 332x3 (996) HP Damage, 111x3 (333) MP Damage; 5% HP, 35 Fury
*Inflicts poison at ~70% per hit

Whirlwind
X: 461*50 (23050); 80 HP, 30 Fury
O: 599*50 (29950); 8% HP, 72 Fury
Wind Element
*This skill requires getting very close to a target to hit them repeatedly with a short-lived shield that appears around Nel

Flying Guillotine
X: 276x7 (1932) HP Damage, 46x7 (322) MP Damage; 60 HP, 30 Fury
O: 414x7 (2898) HP Damage, 74x7 (518) MP Damage; 7% HP, 67 Fury

Lightning Chain
X: 276*4 (1104) at level 0 to 276*8 (2208) at level 8; 40 HP, 30 Fury
O: 332*4 (1328) at level 0 to 332*8 (2656) at level 8; 8% HP, 62 Fury
Wind Element

Mirror Slice
X: 553x10 (5530); 100 HP, 30 Fury
O: 829x10 (8290); 10% HP, 62 Fury

Divine Wrath
X: 553x18 (9954); 250 HP, 25 Fury
O: 829x18 (14922); 15% HP, 50 Fury

Splitting Sky
X: 461*35 (16135) HP Damage, 92*35 (3220) MP Damage; hits 0.5 times per fury at level 0 up to a max of 1 time per fury at level 10; 160 HP, 30 Fury
O: 599*20 (11980) HP Damage, 120*20 (2400) MP Damage; hits 0.5 times per fury at level 0 up to a max of 1 time per fury at level 10; 12% HP, 60 Fury
Wind Element



Adray Lasbard
"Frustrated?  Get stronger!"
HP: 12848
MP: 2599
ATT: 256 (1106)
DEF: 106 (266)
AGL: 354 (419)
HIT: 422 (432)
INT: 267 (367)

The Immortal: +850 ATT, +100 INT, +10 HIT
Ablative Shield: +160 DEF, +65 AGL

Short X: 1006; 5 Fury
Long X: 151 MP Damage; 5 Fury
Short O: 2822; 5 Fury
Long O: 252 MP Damage; 12 Fury

Symbology
Healing: Heals 35% of a target's max HP, rising by 5% per level to a max of 85% max HP; 20 MP, 20 Fury
Antidote: Cures poison; 10 MP, 20 Fury
Silence: Silences target ~20%, rising by 5% per level to a max of ~70%; 10 MP, 20 Fury
Acid Rain: Lowers targets' defense by 20%; 15 MP, 20 Fury
Protection: Raises defense by 50%; 30 MP, 20 Fury
Cure Condition: Heals negative status; 15 MP, 20 Fury
Restoration: Revives an ally, healing 10% of their max HP and MP, rising by 5% per level up to a maximum of 60% of their max HP and MP; 60 MP, 60 Fury
Power Up: Raises attack by 50%; 30 MP, 20 Fury
Efreet: 217x4 (868); 35 MP, 30 Fury Fire Element
Fairy Light: Heals 35% of all targets' max HP, rising by 5% per level to a max of 85% max HP
Thunder Flare: 152x5 + 551 (1311); 40 MP, 30 Fury Wind Element
Deep Freeze: 297x4 (1188); 80 MP, 30 Fury Water Element
Reflection: Reduces magic damage received by 50%; 30 MP, 20 Fury
Dark Sphere: Inflicts instant death to targets ~100% when target is below 10% HP, rising by 5% below max HP per level up to a maximum of ~60%; 200 MP, 40 Fury
Stone Rain: 334x6 (2004); 80 MP, 40 Fury Earth Element
Gravitation: Reduces targets' movement speed by 50%; 30 MP, 20 Fury
Explosion: 192x5 + 383x5 (2875); 300 MP, 40 Fury Fire Element
Laser Beams: 384x6 (2304); 150 MP, 40 Fury
Angel Feather: Raises all stats by 20%; 30 MP, 20 Fury
Lightning Strike: 534x8 (4272); 300 MP, 50 Fury Wind Element

Fatal Fury
X: 504 HP Damage, 151 MP Damage; 50 HP, 20 Fury
O: 756 HP Damage, 232 MP Damage; 6% HP, 47 Fury

Titan Fist
X: 2016 HP Damage, 202 MP Damage; 150 HP, 20 Fury
O: 4032 HP Damage, 403 MP Damage; 8% HP, 47 Fury
Earth Element
*Inflicts confusion at ~50% per hit, paralysis at ~10% per hit, and petrification at ~5% per hit

Sea Gate
X: 1512 HP Damage, 151 MP Damage; 200 HP, 25 Fury
O: 2268 HP Damage, 232 MP Damage; 10% HP, 52 Fury
Water Elemet

Sirocco (Spicule)
X: 504x7 (3528) HP Damage, 302x7 (2114) MP Damage; 200 HP, 26 Fury
O: 756x7 (5292) HP Damage, 454x7 (3178) MP Damage; 10% HP, 55 Fury
Fire Element

Emotion Torrent
X: 1008x4 (4032) HP Damage, 101x4 (404) MP Damage; 250 HP, 20 Fury
O: 1512x4 (6048) HP Damage, 151x4 (604) MP Damage; 12% HP, 47 Fury
Randomly Fire/Water/Wind/Earth Element

Firebolt
X: 214 at level 0 up to a max of 214x4 (856) at level 9 and above; 10 MP, 20 Fury
O: 278 at level 0 up to a max of 278x4 (1112) at level 9 and above; 5% MP, 42 Fury
Fire Element

Ice Needles
X: 125x5 (625) at level 0 up to a max of 125x10 (1250) at level 8 and above; 10 MP, 20 Fury
O: 163x5 (815) at level 0 up to a max of 163x10 (1630) at level 9 and above; 5% MP, 42 Fury
Water Element
Inflicts freeze at ~10% per hit

Lightning Blast
X: 155x8 (1240); 10 MP, 20 Fury
O: 201x8 (1608); 5% MP, 42 Fury
Wind Element

Earth Glaive
X: 214x3 (642); 10 MP, 20 Fury
O: 278x3 (834); 5% MP, 42 Fury
Earth Element

Southern Cross
X: 384x6 (2304) HP Damage, 59x6 (354) MP Damage; 120 MP, 30 Fury
O: 499x6 (2994) HP Damage, 77x6 (462) MP Damage; 8% MP, 60 Fury



Roger S. Huxley
"I am sooooooo macho!"
HP: 15585
MP: 1872
ATT: 312 (1192)
DEF: 165 (365)
AGL: 338 (418)
HIT: 390 (450)
INT: 109

Saint's Halberd: +880 ATT, +60 HIT
Battle Armour: +200 DEF, +80 AGL

Short X: 764x2 (1528); 12 Fury
Long X: 1092; 12 Fury
Short O: 1747x4 (6988); 15 Fury
Long O: 2839; 15 Fury

Fiery Axe
X: 1632x2 + 437x2 (4138); 20 HP, 10 Fury
O: 2457x2 + 655x2 (6224); 5% HP, 35 Fury

Whirling Heat
X: 1092; 30 HP, 12 Fury
O: 1420; 5% HP, 42 Fury
*Inflicts confusion at ~20% per hit

Land Mines
X: 1529x4 (6116) at level 0 to a maximum of 1529x10 (15290) at level 8 and above; 25 HP, 15 Fury
O: 2293x4 (9172) at level 0 to a maximum of 2293x10 (22930) at level 8 and above; 6% HP, 57 Fury
Earth Elemet
*This attack involves laying down land mines that explode after several seconds or when an enemy draws near; it's not actually a targeted move
**Inflicts confusion at ~10% per hit

Flying Torpedo
X: 2184 HP Damage, 218 MP Damage; 50 HP, 20 Fury
O: 4368 HP Damage, 437 MP Damage; 6% HP, 57 Fury
Earth Element

Piercing Claw
X: 764x3 (2292) HP Damage, 76x3 (228) MP Damage; 30 HP, 15 Fury
O: 917x3 (2751) HP Damage, 87x3 (261) MP Damage; 6% HP, 40 Fury

Fiery Fury
X: 655x6 + 1092 (5022); 50 HP, 25 Fury
O: 852x6 + 1420 (6532); 8% HP, 57 Fury
Earth Element

Shield and Cannon
X: 437x3 (1311) at level 0 to a maximum of 437x9 (3933) at level 8 and above; 200 HP, 35 Fury
O: 568x3 (1704) at level 0 to a maximum of 568x9 (5112) at level 8 and above; 10% HP, 72 Fury

Raging Helmet
X: 764x6 (4584); 250 HP, 20 Fury
O: 1223x6 (7338); 10% HP, 47 Fury

Bug Triad
X: 437*4*2 (3496) HP Damage, 87*4*2 (696) MP Damage at level 0 to a max of 8 hits at level 8 and above; 300 HP, 30 Fury
O: 655*4*2 (5240) HP Damage, 131*4*2 (1048) MP Damage at level 0 to a max of 8 hits at level 8 and above; 10% HP, 65 Fury
*This attack summons 3 bugs that attack enemies - one of which will only attack if Roger is attacked, so only 2 of them will attack each time Roger attacks; the other will hit 5 times whenever Roger is attacked for the listed damages above

Star Fall
X: 360x5 + 240x10 (4200) HP Damage, 87x5 + 44x10 (875) MP Damage; 750 HP, 50 Fury
O: 546x5 + 360x10 (6330) HP Damage, 87x5 + 87x10 (1305) MP Damage; 15% HP, 92 Fury
Fire Element



Maria Traydor
"I am destined for greatness"
HP: 11174
MP: 2748
ATT: 287 (1087)
DEF: 108 (288)
AGL: 344 (434)
HIT: 403 (453)
INT: 190

Gravity Laser: +800 ATT, +50 HIT
Battle Chainmail: +180 DEF, +90 AGL

Short X: 987x2 (1974); 5 Fury
Long X: 987; 5 Fury
Short O: 1974; 20 Fury
Long O: 1974; 25 Fury

Symbology
Protection: Raises defense by 50%; 30 MP, 20 Fury
Power Up: Raises attack by 50%; 30 MP, 20 Fury
Reflection: Reduces magic damage received by 50%; 30 MP, 20 Fury
Angel Feather: Raises all stats by 20%; 30 MP, 20 Fury

Aiming Device
X: 1184 HP Damage, 158 MP Damage; 8 MP, 25 Fury
O: 1540 HP Damage, 207 MP Damage; 5% MP, 50 Fury
*Inflicts confusion at ~60% per hit

Scatter Beam
X: 494x5 (2470) at level 0 to a maximum of 494x10 (4940) at level 8 and above; 15 HP, 20 Fury
O: 642x5 (3210) at level 0 to a maximum of 642x10 (6420) at level 8 and above; 7% HP, 47 Fury

Magnetic Field
X: 1481 + 296 (1777); 20 HP, 10 Fury
O: 2961 + 592 (3553); 5% HP, 27 Fury
*Inflicts paralysis at ~25% for the first strong hit, and at ~10% for the second, weaker hit

Pulse Blast
X: 494x4 (1976) at level 0 to a maximum of 494x12 (5928) at level 8 and above; 60 HP, 25 Fury
O: 642x4 (2568) at level 0 to a maximum of 642x12 (7704) at level 8 and above; 7% HP, 50 Fury

Crescent Locus
X: 592x4 (2368); 50 HP, 20 Fury
O: 888x4 (3552); 5% HP, 47 Fury

Triple Kick
X: 987x3 (2961); 60 HP, 20 Fury
O: 1974x3 (5922); 6% HP, 47 Fury

Laser Blast
X: 691x3 (2073); 80 HP, 20 Fury
O: 898x3 (2694); 6% HP, 47 Fury

Gravity Bullet
X: 247x25 (6175); 300 HP, 40 Fury
O: 296x25 (7400); 12% HP, 80 Fury

Energy Burst
X: 494*70 (34580) HP Damage, 99*70 (6930) MP Damage; hits 1 times per fury at level 0 up to a max of 2 times per fury at level 10; 500 HP, 30 Fury
O: 592*40 (23680) HP Damage, 118*40 (4720) MP Damage; hits 1 times per fury at level 0 up to a max of 2 times per fury at level 10; 10% HP, 60 Fury
*Inflicts paralysis at ~10% per hit

Radiation Bots
X: 494x4 (1976) HP Damage, 49x4 (196) MP Damage; 150 MP, 50 Fury
O: 740x4 (2960) HP Damage, 79x4 (316) MP Damage; 15% MP, 77 Fury
*This attack summons 4 drones that attack whenever Maria does for the indicated damage (if she used an O Radiation Bots, each of her attacks would cause an O Radiation Bots attack to commence)



Albel Nox
"It doesn't matter how many maggots you've got - I'll crush them all!"
HP: 14240
MP: 2112
ATT: 296 (1096)
DEF: 171 (351)
AGL: 360 (450)
HIT: 387 (467)
INT: 129

Crimson Scourge: +800 ATT, Attack Decision +1, +80 HIT
*Attack Decision adds an extra hit to the basic attacks (not to battle skills) that does 50% of the previous hit's damage
Battle Chainmail: +180 DEF, +90 AGL

Short X: 598 + 299 (897); 8 Fury
*Albel's Short X can be chained incessantly after the initial hit, with subsequent hits costing 10 Fury each (9 additional hits for a total of 10), for a total damage of 897x10 (8970); 98 Fury
Long X: 996x2 + 498x2 (2988); 10 Fury
Short O: 1992 + 996 (2988); 10 Fury
Long O: 2789 + 1395 (4184); 12 Fury

Air Slash
X: 996; 20 HP, 10 Fury
O: 1992; 5% HP, 30 Fury
Wind Element

Shockwave Swirl
X: 697x5 (3485); 20 HP, 20 Fury
O: 837x5 (4185); 5% HP, 47 Fury
Wind Element

Palm of Destruction
X: 2490 HP Damage, 100 MP Damage; 25 HP, 20 Fury
O: 3237 HP Damage, 129 MP Damage; 5% HP, 47 Fury

Aura Wall
X: 30x28 (840) MP Damage; 50 HP, 25 Fury
O: 40x28 (1120) MP Damage; 10% HP, 52 Fury
Earth Element
*Inflicts confusion at ~5% per hit

Double Slash
X: 697x2 (1394); 20 HP, 20 Fury
O: 906x2 (1812); 5% HP, 40 Fury

Vampire Flash
X: 498*11 (5478) HP Damage, 50*11 (550) MP Damage; uses 8 fury per additional hit after activation; 500 MP, 20 Fury
O: 747*6 (4482) HP Damage, 80*6 (480) MP Damage; uses 12 fury per additional hit after activation; 20% HP, 40 Fury
*This attack drains the damage it deals as HP and MP healed to Albel

Hand of Doom
X: 697x6 (4182) HP Damage, 40x6 (240) MP Damage; 120 HP, 25 Fury
O: 906x6 (5436) HP Damage, 50x6 (300) MP Damage; 10% HP, 52 Fury

Dragon Roar
X: 299x18 (5382) HP Damage, 30x18 (540) MP Damage; 150 HP, 30 Fury
O: 448x18 (8064) HP Damage, 50*18 (900) MP Damage; 12% HP, 62 Fury

Air Slash of Fury
X: 598 HP Damage, 30 MP Damage; 600 HP, 20 Fury
O: 777 HP Damage, 40 MP Damage; 12% HP, 47 Fury
*Air Slash of Fury can be chained incessantly after the initial hit, with subsequent hits costing 5 Fury each for weak hits, and 10 Fury for strong hits (16 additional weak hits, 5 additional strong hits, a total of 17 and 6 hits, respectively), for a total damage of 598x17 (10166); 100 Fury and 777x6 (4662); 97 Fury

Double Slash of Fury
X: 598x2 (1196); 10 HP, 20 Fury
O: 777x2 (1554); 5% HP, 42 Fury
*Double Slash of Fury can be chained incessantly after the initial hit, with subsequent hits costing 5 Fury each for weak hits, and 10 Fury for strong hits (16 additional weak hits, 5 additional strong hits, a total of 17 and 6 hits, respectively), for a total damage of 598x17x2 (20332); 100 Fury and 777x6x2 (9324); 97 Fury



Mirage Koas
"What do you think of me now?"
HP: 13670
MP: 2024
ATT: 287 (1187)
DEF: 192 (372)
AGL: 360 (450)
HIT: 408 (453)
INT: 123

Crest Gauntlet: +900 ATT, +45 HIT
Battle Chainmail: +180 DEF, +90 AGL

Short X: 652x2 (1304); 10 Fury
Long X: 1087x2 (2174); 10 Fury
Short O: 3044 + 2174 (5218); 15 Fury + 10 Fury
Long O: 3044; 15 Fury

Sphere of Might
X: 435x4 (1740); 20 HP, 15 Fury
O: 652x4 (2608); 6% HP, 35 Fury

Hammer of Might
X: 1631x2 (3262) HP Damage, 54x2 (108) MP Damage; 15 HP, 20 Fury
O: 2446x2 (4892) HP Damage, 87x2 (174) MP Damage; 5% HP, 47 Fury
Fire Element

Electric Fists
X: 761x3 (2283); 20 HP, 9 Fury
O: 1141x3 (3423); 5% HP, 40 Fury

Aerial Assault
X: 3805 HP Damage, 576 MP Damage; 80 HP, 20 Fury
O: 5707 HP Damage, 870 MP Damage; 8% HP, 47 Fury

Crescent Locus
X: 652x4 (2608); 50 HP, 20 Fury
O: 978x4 (3912); 5% HP, 47 Fury

Triple Kick
X: 1087x3 (3261); 150 HP, 20 Fury
O: 2174x3 (6522); 8% HP, 47 Fury

Acrobat Locus
X: 435x15 (6525); 350 HP, 20 Fury
O: 565x15 (8475); 9% HP, 50 Fury

Avenger Charge
X: 511x11 (5621); 410 HP, 25 Fury
O: 772x11 (8492); 10% HP, 55 Fury
Fire Element

Infinity Kick
X: 435x11 (4785) HP Damage, 54x11 (594) MP Damage; 600 HP, 30 Fury
O: 565x11 (6215) HP Damage, 76x11 (836) MP Damage; 14% HP, 60 Fury

Blazing Cannon
X: 652*9 (5868); uses 8 fury per additional hit after activation; 550 HP, 30 Fury
O: 870*4 (3480); uses 12 fury per additional hit after activation; 11% HP, 60 Fury


Averages

HP: 13388
1) Cliff - 15753
2) Roger - 15585
3) Fayt - 14482
4) Albel - 14240
5) Mirage - 13670
6) Nel - 12928
6) Adray - 12848
8) Peppita - 12086
9) Maria - 11174
10) Sophia - 11115

MP: 2276
1) Sophia - 2769
2) Maria - 2748
3) Adray - 2599
4) Nel - 2412
5) Peppita - 2291
6) Albel - 2112
7) Fayt - 2082
8) Mirage - 2024
9) Roger - 1872
10) Cliff - 1850

DEF: 315
1) Fayt - 393
2) Mirage - 372
3) Roger - 365
4) Cliff - 361
5) Albel - 351
6) Nel - 328
7) Maria - 288
8) Peppita - 268
9) Adray - 266
10) Sophia - 194

X HP Damage: 7480
1) Fayt - 12900 (Ethereal Blast)
2) Cliff - 10472 (Max Shockwave)
3) Nel - 9954 (Divine Wrath)
4) Peppita - 9430 (Fairie Friend)
5) Mirage - 6525 (Acrobat Locus)
6) Maria - 6175 (Gravity Bullet)
7) Albel - 5382 (Dragon Roar)
8) Roger - 5022 (Fiery Fury)
9) Sophia - 4664 (Lightning Strike)
10) Adray - 4272 (Lightning Strike)

X HP Damage (without Maze of Tribulations or Sphere 211 skills): 6000
1) Peppita - 9430 (Fairie Friend)
2) Cliff - 7315 (Uppercut)
3) Mirage - 6525 (Acrobat Locus)
4) Maria - 6175 (Gravity Bullet)
5) Fayt - 5687 (Blade of Fury)
6) Nel - 5530 (Mirror Slice)
7) Albel - 5382 (Dragon Roar)
8) Roger - 5022 (Fiery Fury)
9) Sophia - 4664 (Lightning Strike)
10) Adray - 4272 (Lightning Strike)

X MP Damage: 739
1) Adray - 2114 (Spicule)
2) Fayt - 1440 (Ethereal Blast)
3) Peppita - 940 (Fairie Friend)
4) Cliff - 605 (Infinity Kick)
5) Mirage - 594 (Infinity Kick)
6) Albel - 540 (Dragon Roar)
7) Sophia - 444 (Southern Cross)
8) Nel - 322 (Flying Guillotine)
9) Roger - 228 (Piercing Claw)
10) Maria - 158 (Aiming Device)

X MP Damage (without Maze of Tribulations or Sphere 211 skills): 413
1) Peppita - 940 (Fairie Friend)
2) Cliff - 587 (Aerial Assault)
3) Mirage - 576 (Aerial Assault)
4) Albel - 540 (Dragon Roar)
5) Adray - 354 (Southern Cross)
6) Fayt - 325 (O Lightning Blade Physicals)
7) Nel - 322 (Flying Guillotine)
8) Roger - 228 (Piercing Claw)
9) Sophia - 190 (Long O)
10) Maria - 158 (Aiming Device)

99 Fury HP Damages: 31794
1) Peppita - 58711 (Short X-Fairie Friend X 125%-Fairie Friend O 175%-Fairie Friend X 225%) [9% HP loss]
2) Nel - 42240 (Short X-Divine Wrath X 125%-Divine Wrath O 175%) [17% HP loss]
3) Cliff - 42856 (Long X-Max Shockwave X 125%-Max Shockwave O 175%) [16% HP loss]
4) Maria - 42112 (Short X-Energy Burst X 125%) [4% HP loss]
5) Mirage - 35555 (Short X-Acrobat Locus X 125%-Triple Kick O 175%-Acrobat Locus X 225%) [13% HP loss]
6) Adray - 25702 (Short X-Emotion Torrent X 125%-Emotion Torrent O 175%-Emotion Torrent X 225%) [16% HP loss]
7) Fayt - 23026 (Short X-Side Kick X 125%-Side Kick O 175%-Side Kick X 225%-Side Kick O 300%) [12% HP loss]
8) Roger - 22392 (Short X-Piercing Claw X 125%-Raging Helmet O 175%-Piercing Claw X 225%) [10% HP loss]
9) Albel - 21827 (Short X-Double Slash of Fury X 125%) [Effectively 0% HP loss]
10) Sophia - 9990 (Short X-Lightning Strike X 125%-Lightning Blast O 175%) [5% MP loss]

99 Fury HP Damages (without Maze of Tribulations or Sphere 211 skills): 27112
1) Peppita - 58711 (Short X-Fairie Friend X 125%-Fairie Friend O 175%-Fairie Friend X 225%) [9% HP loss]
2) Cliff - 35653 (Long X-Acrobat Locus X 125%-Aerial Assault O 175%-Acrobat Locus X 225%) [8% HP loss]
3) Mirage - 35555 (Short X-Acrobat Locus X 125%-Triple Kick O 175%-Acrobat Locus X 225%) [13% HP loss]
4) Maria - 29214 (Short X-Triple Kick X 125%-Magnetic Field O 175%-Triple Kick X 225%-Magnetic Field O 300%) [10% HP loss]
5) Fayt - 23026 (Short X-Side Kick X 125%-Side Kick O 175%-Side Kick X 225%-Side Kick O 300%) [12% HP loss]
6) Roger - 22392 (Short X-Piercing Claw X 125%-Raging Helmet O 175%-Piercing Claw X 225%) [10% HP loss]
7) Albel - 20850 (Long X-Shockwave Swirl X 125%-Palm of Destruction O 175%-Shockwave Swirl X 225%) [Effectively 5% HP loss]
8) Nel - 20610 (Short X-Shadow Wave X 125%-Mirror Slice O 175%) [10% HP loss]
9) Adray - 15118 (Short X-Titan Fist X 125%-Titan Fist O 175%-Titan Fist X 225%) [8% HP loss]
10) Sophia - 9990 (Short X-Lightning Strike X 125%-Lightning Blast O 175%) [5% MP loss]

99 Fury MP Damages: 3692
1) Adray - 8204 (Short X-Sirocco X 125%-Sirocco O 175%) [12% HP loss]
2) Maria - 6930 (Energy Burst X) [4% HP loss]
3) Peppita - 5777 (Short X-Fairie Friend X 125%-Fairie Friend O 175%-Fairie Friend X 225%) [9% HP loss]
4) Cliff - 3605 (Long X-Aerial Assault X 125%-Aerial Assault O 175%-Aerial Assault X 225%) [8% HP loss]
5) Mirage - 3539 (Long X-Aerial Assault X 125%-Aerial Assault O 175%-Aerial Assault X 225%) [8% HP loss]
6) Nel - 3220 (Splitting Sky X) [1% HP loss]
7) Albel - 3010 (Short X-Aura Wall X 125%-Aura Wall O 175%) [10% HP loss]
8) Fayt - 2145 (Ethereal Blast O) [15% HP loss]
9) Sophia - 1968 (Short X-Gremlins X 125%-Gremlins O 175%) [6% MP loss]
10) Roger - 1255 (Short X-Piercing Claw X 125%-Piercing Claw O 175%-Piercing Claw X 225%) [6% HP loss]

99 Fury MP Damages (without Maze of Tribulations or Sphere 211 skills): 2167
1) Peppita - 5777 (Short X-Fairie Friend X 125%-Fairie Friend O 175%-Fairie Friend X 225%) [9% HP loss]
2) Cliff - 3605 (Long X-Aerial Assault X 125%-Aerial Assault O 175%-Aerial Assault X 225%) [8% HP loss]
3) Mirage - 3539 (Long X-Aerial Assault X 125%-Aerial Assault O 175%-Aerial Assault X 225%) [8% HP loss]
4) Albel - 3010 (Short X-Aura Wall X 125%-Aura Wall O 175%) [10% HP loss]
5) Nel - 1873 (Long X-Poison Cloud X 125%-Flying Guillotine O 175%-Poison Cloud X 225%) [7% HP loss]
6) Adray - 1402 (Long X-Southern Cross X 125%-Southern Cross O 175%) [12% HP loss]
7) Roger - 1255 (Short X-Piercing Claw X 125%-Piercing Claw O 175%-Piercing Claw X 225%) [6% HP loss]
8) Maria - 693 (Aiming Device X-Aiming Device O 125%-Aiming Device X 175%) [4% HP loss]
9) Fayt - 325 (O Lightning Blade Physicals) [7% MP loss]
10) Sophia - 190 (Long O)







« Last Edit: December 31, 2009, 01:06:48 PM by OblivionKnight »
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[19:27] <+Terra_Condor> Han Kicks First?
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Re: "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2008, 02:07:32 PM »
Miscellaneous information is a go!

Speeds

This all comes from Captain K., posted later in the topic.  Thank you very much for this assistance, Captain.  These are running speeds of the individual characters, with no modulations.  Lower is better here.

1) Fayt - 13.63
2) Mirage - 15.47
3) Nel - 15.56
4) Cliff - 16.03
5) Albel - 16.69
6) Adray - 18.16
7) Sophia - 19.09
8) Roger - 19.88
9) Peppita - 20.78
10) Maria - 25.00

Average - 18.029

Equipment

Fun synthed equipment time!  SO3, like the rest of the series, has an item creation system, which allows for fun weapons, armour and accessories to be created.  Yay!  This is the list of all of that cool stuff.  I didn't consider these up above, but these are here for your benefit if you want.

Weapons
Veinslay (Fayt): +900 ATT, +35 HIT
Rod of the Evil Eye (Sophia): +650 ATT, +130 INT, +40 HIT
Damask Cape (Peppita): +900 ATT, Attack Decision +1, +45 HIT
*Attack Decision adds an extra hit to the basic attacks (not to battle skills) that does 50% of the previous hit's damage
Mithril Gauntlets (Cliff, Mirage): +1000 ATT, +38 HIT
Ice Blades (Nel): +880 ATT, +45 HIT
Water Element
Paralyzer (Maria): +350 ATT, +32 HIT, Adds paralysis effect to all attacks (~10% per hit)
Claw of Judgment (Albel): +900 ATT, +45 HIT
Paladin's Helm (Roger): +1200 ATT, +40 HIT

In addition, the Maze of Tribulations and non-Sphere 211 optional dungeons have other available weapons that characters can use that aren't horribly cursed.  Some people might allow them, so here they are:

Heaven's Blade (Adray): +1400 ATT, +300 INT, +40 HIT, Nullifies fire damage
Helm of the Dark Eye (Roger): +1800 ATT, +45 HIT, Adds confusion effect to all attacks (~10% per hit)
Dark Fairie Claw (Albel): +1600 ATT, +49 HIT
Shadow Phase Gun (Maria) +1200 ATT, +41 HIT, +200 ATT (reproducible for a total bonus of +1600 ATT to the weapon's +1200 ATT base)
Elemental Ticklers (Nel) +1500 ATT, +55 HIT, +200 ATT (reproducible for a total bonus of +1600 ATT to the weapon's +1500 ATT base)
Raven Gauntlets (Cliff, Mirage) +1800 ATT, +42 HIT, +200 ATT (reproducible for a total bonus of +1600 ATT to the weapon's +1800 ATT base)
Efreet Cape (Peppita): +1600 ATT, Attack Decision +2, +48 HIT
Pumpkin Wraith Rod (Sophia): +1400 ATT, +500 INT, +45 HIT, +200 ATT (reproducible for a total bonus of +1600 ATT to the weapon's +1400 ATT base)
Divine Avenger (ClFayt) +1600 ATT, +40 HIT, +500 ATT (reproducible for a total bonus of +4000 ATT to the weapon's +1600 ATT base)

Armour
Astral Armour (Fayt, Cliff, Roger): +140 DEF, +80 AGL, Immune to freezing, Immune to petrification, 30% chance to nullify magic attacks, +20 DEF (reproducible for a total bonus of +160 DEF to the armour's +140 base)
Elemental Leather (Maria, Nel, Mirage, Albel): +115 DEF, +90 AGL, Halves fire damage, Halves water damage, Halves wind damage, Halves earth damage, +5 DEF (reproducible for a total bonus of +40 DEF to the armour's +115 base)
Elven Cloak (Sophia, Peppita, Adray): +4 DEF, +15 AGL, Absorb wind damage, +5 DEF (reproducible for a total bonus of +40 DEF to the armour's +4 base)
Mithril Dress (Sophia, Peppita): +91 DEF, 30 AGL, +5 DEF (reproducible for a total bonus of +40 DEF to the armour's +91 base)
Wizard's Robe (Sophia, Peppita, Adray): +130 DEF, +80 AGL

And just like the weapons, here are Maze of Tribulation Armours!

Reflecting Plate (Fayt, Cliff, Roger): +200 DEF, +90 AGL, Nullifies fire damage, Nullifies water damage, +20 DEF (reproducible for a total bonus of +160 DEF to the armour's +200 base)
Mystic Chain (Maria, Nel, Mirage, Albel): +180 DEF, +40 AGL, +10 DEF (reproducible for a total bonus of +80 DEF to the armour's +180 base)
Robe of Deception (Sophia, Peppita): +95 DEF, +40 AGL, +5 DEF (reproducible for a total bonus of +40 DEF to the armour's +95 base)

Accessories
Anti-Incapacitation Amulet: Immune to instant incapacitation
Amulet of Freedom: Immune to paralysis
Anti-Freezing Amulet: Immune to freezing
Anti-Poison Amulet: Immune to poison
Anti-Stone Amulet: Immune to stone
Anti-Silence Amulet: Immune to silence
« Last Edit: July 22, 2008, 04:46:26 PM by OblivionKnight »
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Re: "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2008, 02:07:44 PM »

Luther - Part One
"How dare you!"
HP: 200000
MP: 60000
ATT: 1100
DEF: 100
AGL: 160
HIT: 1200
INT: 400

Strong Physical: 1800 damage, drains 50% fury, hits the area around Luther (he has other physicals, but this was the most damaging one; the paralysis rate seems to be 10% at best)
Laser Beams: 6 hits of 1200 damage (void-based symbology); this attack is...uh...horribly easy to dodge, as it's telegraphed pretty damn obviously, though the AoE is larger than the targetting would indicate


Luther - Part Two
"Data should behave as such!"
HP: 400000
MP: 120000
ATT: 1300
DEF: 150
AGL: 250
HIT: 1500
INT: 600

Usable Initially
Strong Physical: 3 hits of 2300 damage, drains 50% fury, straight line target (he has other physicals, but this was the most damaging one; the paralysis rate seems to be 10% at best; note that the third hit tends to not actually connect unless you're close to him)
Laser Beams: 6 hits of 1400 damage (void-based symbology); this attack is...uh...horribly easy to dodge, as it's telegraphed pretty damn obviously, though the AoE is larger than the targetting would indicate
Expansion Force: 4 hits of 1800 damage (220 MP damage), inflicts confusion ~10%, hits the area around Luther (typically only 1-2 hits will strike, which might be why the confusion rate seems so low...same with his physical)

Unlocks after taking ~10% MHP damage
Flaming Divide: 5 hits of 1800 damage (110 MP damage)

Unlocks after taking ~25% MHP damage
Perfect Symmetry: 8 hits of 1800 damage (110 MP damage), paralysis is really high (it went 20/20 in the testing I did...I assume it can fail, though; also, it usually only hits 6 times unless you're standing right where he fires it...granted, easy for him to do once paralyzed)

Unlocks after taking ~50% MHP damage
Insanity Prelude: Each hit deals 2300 damage (250 MP damage), instant death rate is pretty solid (went 8/8); hits a metric assload of times, so much I'm inclined to say it's basically death in a nicely wrapped giftbasket; granted, the # if hits is semi-random, but generally hits pretty damn hard multiple times

From what I can tell, Luther has many attacks available earlier, but the AI doesn't seem to like to use them until later. For instance, I had fought him 3 times and didn't see Expansion Force until he lost some HP, then the 4th time, he used it right away. There are also 2 FAQs that say Insanity Prelude unlocks at 50% HP, so I think he's just loathe to use it until he loses more HP - which makes sense, as he likes to spam it at really low HP.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2008, 06:02:18 PM by OblivionKnight »
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[19:27] <+Terra_Condor> Han Kicks First?
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[19:27] <%Grefter-game> Touchdown and Alderaan explodes in the victory

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Re: "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2008, 12:03:15 AM »
These are some damage tests performed by MetalGearSolidBoy.  They're not in the format we normally use, but I'm archiving them here in case someone can gain some value from them.  Here's the full topic if you want to read it: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=536705&topic=42182728
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Here are the HP kill times of a bunch of Level 10 skillsets I used against a ~325,000 health Ravitch (petrified) in Sphere 211. She also has 300,000+ MP, so skills that would normally cause an MP kill could not interfere.

All characters had an equal ATK of 960 with the following weapon factors equipped:

Adds fire-based damage
-3 Fury use
-1 Fury use
-50% Battle Skill HP use
-50% Battle Skill MP use (where applicable)

Skillsets involving normal attack usage had a different weapon setup:

Adds fire-based damage
Raises normal attack decision by 3
-3 Fury use
-1 Fury use
Shoots powerful balls of ice when attacking
Emits balls of light when attacking
Shoots balls of light when attacking
Emits long-range shockwaves when attacking

The Ravitch halves all elements, so the characters' ATK was essentially reduced to 480. The firework factors used weren't the greatest combination in the world, but those ones are all obtainable pretty early in the game.

Since Power Dance also boosts the ATK of other party members, the sets involving it were for solo curiosity only.

*=best damage w/o Full Active Mode
~=best damage with Full Active Mode

Adray -

Charge -> Charge (FAM) (Adray) 1:23
Sea Gate -> Titan Fist 2:16
Aerial -> Aerial (Adray) 2:14
Titan Fist -> Titan Fist 2:56
Fire Bolt -> Emotion Torrent 4:59

Albel -

*Palm of Destruction -> Palm of Destruction 1:12
*Double Slash -> Double Slash of Fury 1:12
Albel + Short X 1:19
Hand of Doom -> Hand of Doom 1:29
Air Slash -> Vampiric Flash 2:42
Double Slash -> Dragon Roar (against small target) 3:20
Air Slash -> Air Slash 1:40
Aerial -> Charge (Albel) 1:43

Cliff -

~Charge -> Charge (FAM) (Cliff, Roger) 1:01
*Hammer of Might -> Hammer of Might (Cliff) 1:05
Cliff + Short O (FAM) 1:10
Cliff + Short X 1:12
Max Shockwave -> Max Shockwave 1:20
Sphere of Might (Cliff) -> Aerial Assault 1:21
Charge -> Charge (Cliff) 1:28
Sphere of Might -> Sphere of Might (Cliff) 1:34
Aerial Assault -> Aerial Assault 1:35
Fists of Fury -> Fists of Fury 2:01

Fayt -

*Ice Blade + Short O :54
Divine Blade + Short O 1:14
Blazing Sword + Short O 1:15
Blade of Fury -> Air Raid 1:38
Blade of Fury -> Ethereal Blast 1:08
Blade of Fury -> Shotgun Blast 1:16
Blade of Fury -> Blade of Fury (2-hit version) 1:45
Blade of Fury -> Dimension Door 1:46
Dimension Door -> Dimension Door 1:51
Lightning Blade + Short O 1:33

Maria -

*Scatter Beam -> Scatter Beam (SHORT) :31
Pulse Blast -> Pulse Blast (SHORT) :50
Crescent Locus -> Triple Kick 1:06
Scatter Beam -> Pulse Blast (LONG) 1:09
Pulse Blast -> Pulse Blast (LONG) (against stationary or heavily stunlocked target) 1:02
Magnetic Field -> Magnetic Field 1:19
Scatter Beam -> Radiation Bots 1:19
Crescent Locus -> Crescent Locus 1:20
Scatter Beam -> Energy Burst 1:39
Scatter Beam -> Scatter Beam (LONG) 2:00
Aiming Device -> Aiming Device 2:07

Mirage -

Crescent Locus -> Triple Kick 1:06
Mirage + Short O 1:11
Mirage + Short X 1:19
Hammer of Might -> Hammer of Might (Mirage) 1:19
Crescent Locus -> Crescent Locus 1:20
Aerial Assault -> Aerial Assault 1:35
Hammer of Might (Long X)/Charge (Short X) -> Avenger Charge 2:00
Hammer of Might (Long X)/Charge (Short X) -> Infinity Kick 2:28

Nel -

~300% Whirlwind (FAM) :46
*250% Whirlwind :50
Poison Cloud -> Divine Wrath 1:15
Ice Daggers -> Ice Daggers 1:15
Poison Cloud -> Splitting Sky (FAM or SHORT) (200% Cancel Bonus) 1:48
Charge -> Mirror Slice 1:20
Flying Guillotine -> Splitting Sky (175% Cancel Bonus) 2:16

Peppita

Power Dance -> Dream Hammer :24
Power Dance -> Short O :30
Power Dance -> Faerie Friend :31
Power Dance -> Kaboom (small target) :37
*Peppita + Short O :55
Healing/Magical Dance -> Dream Hammer 1:06
Healing/Magical Dance -> Faerie Friend 1:28
Healing/Magical Dance -> Kaboom (small target) 1:30

Roger -

Roger + Special O (FAM) 1:00
Charge -> Charge (FAM) (Cliff, Roger) 1:01
Roger + Short O 1:01
Roger + Special O 1:08
Bug Triad + Charge -> Charge 1:15
300% Bug Triad (FAM) + Special O (Increase HP/MP Damage) 1:15
Charge -> Charge (Roger) 1:05
Charge -> Raging Helmet 1:18
250% Bug Triad + Short O (Increase HP/MP Damage) (small target) 1:21
Bug Triad + Short O (small target) 1:24
Raging Helmet -> Raging Helmet 1:36
Whirling Heat -> Raging Helmet 1:40

Sophia -
Sophia + Short O (FAM) :55
Sophia + Short O 1:10

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Re: "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2008, 01:18:51 AM »
Character running speeds, tested by yours truly.  I had them run around the perimeter of an arena in the 2P versus mode.  I doublechecked the ones that were close to each other.

Fayt 13.63 seconds
Mirage  15.47
Nel 15.56
Cliff 16.03
Albel 16.69
Adray 18.16
Sophia 19.09
Roger 19.88
Peppita 20.78
Maria 25.00 (good thing she has a gun!)

Average 18.029 seconds

And no, Adray's speed is not a typo.  He takes a long time to start running, but once he's going he moves at a fair clip.  He's a marathon runner, not a sprinter.
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Re: "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2008, 09:47:02 AM »
o_o

>_______>

*Peppita uses ICBM and launches over the top of Adray's head* <_<

Heh always knew Adray was faster than people had him done as. Did tests against Sophia and Maria and he came out on top. Never knew about Peppita and Roger though >_>
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Re: "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2008, 02:32:15 PM »
Ok Cliff and Peppita wikis are updated -

http://www.rpgdl.com/wiki/index.php?title=Cliff

http://www.rpgdl.com/wiki/index.php?title=Peppita

All Peppita's HP damage for her offensive battle skills have been done (basic powerdanced damages w/o cancel combo bonuses) Just need to work on MP damages and some random stuff for her and that's pretty much it.

Cliff has his stats, his equipment and his basic battle skill info w/th Max Shockwave damage up at least~ For some reason I don't seem to have put up all of Cliff's HP damage in Neph's old topic along with all the other non Adray/Sophia characters ... so need to calculate and check the rest of that for him. Then I'll be starting the Mirage wiki and after that ... I don't know yet -_- There's Captain K's page for Adray related stuffs.

Hopefully having wiki links on hand will make things easier for people when looking for S03 info <_<
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Re: "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2008, 10:27:17 AM »
*pokes OK*

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*pokes OK*

... what? ^_^

Chat discussion on this brought up the fact that people would like to see cancel combo damage taken with Berserk ON since a) everyone learns it and b) most players use it - certainly damage dealers like Maria, Peppita and Nel *should* be using it since their DEF is crappy anyway so using Berserk to sacrifice DEF for more damage is win for them.

If that's too much work for you both Dyher and Tonfa have expressed interested on stat topicing for this game so there's help there (although if people are going to trust them when they don't trust Captain K and us I don't know ^_~ We're going to end up with like dozens of stat topics on this game 'cause nobody trusts anybody else with it >.>)

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Re: "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2008, 04:30:28 PM »
Not at all. 

This has just been me being very forgetful, busy, and completely stupid on several accounts.  I've had the stuff I was working on for the topic done offline for a while and haven't posted it (partly because...uh...I didn't realize I had posted it yet since I didn't recognize the name skimming the forum >_> - that's been changed!).  It's me completely forgetting to finish these up, which I'm working on changing.  I hadn't put this high up on my agenda, but when I get back, I'll finish that up and add what I have.

I do trust you and Capt.K a good deal - hence the thanks at the start of the topic >_>  Believe me, your Peppita work was and is outstanding, and Capt.K was absolutely vital to doing the topic in the first place (stat spreads, speeds, which I should thank him for again - THANK YOU!!!!).  I'm just a bit of a hard-ass (and have been one a bit recently) and like to check things a thousand times and verify again and again.  Nothing wrong with helping people do one stat topic, the more the merrier - making multiple ones about the same game without consulting someone  first or doing it because you think yours is better is what drives people insane (hey, anyone remember MMXCM!?). 
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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2008, 02:15:28 PM »
Holy freaking crap awesme update OK! =D Really like it, the character pics and the 99 Fury damages <(^^)> Averages up as well w00t *gives OK a cookie*

I'm happy with the way Peppita came out, she has damage, MP damage, teh evil S03 confusion and supportive skills. I allow her counters as well.

1) No idea on that one! I rarely use Sophia anymore.

2) 5 average is probably about right for Kaboom. Number of hits depend on the size of the enemy and max hits appear to be fifteen if Kaboom doesn't knock the enemy away vs Chimera sized enemies.
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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2008, 04:55:54 PM »
The biggest thing that still needs work are the final hits on some things (METEOR SWARM FUCK OFF AND DIE) and 100 proficiency damages (since...uh...Sophia sucks balls when taken at 0 proficiency like everyone else - even 50 makes a huge difference - then again, I standardized everything for simplicity, so...), as well as Berserk set-ups.  Equipment updated, stats mostly updated (need to verify Uppercut's fury cost with additional hits past the first), pictures need a little work, need to clean up Luther a bit, modulate one or two other things, but most of it's there. 

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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2008, 10:48:58 AM »
Here's Kaboom vs Chimera!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnFx4TFz8k0&feature=related

1) 100 profiency damages? >.> You mean using each move 100 times? <.< That really makes that much of a difference? o_o I mean I do skill level but I usually only take notice of it at min and max (L10)

2) Yeah ... I wouldn't worry about that Dream Hammer thing. How do you calculate 0.5 of a hit anyway >.> Don't do your head in over that. Peppita doesn't need it, she'd probably just destroy the averages again with it's damage with Power Dance + Berserk anyway and everyone would hate her again.

Those are the *non* Berserk 99 Fury damages? Wow.
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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2008, 02:17:59 AM »
I dont know if this was corrected in one of the posts but canceling is 100%(normal)-175%(first chain)-200%(2nd chain)-250%(3rd chain)-300%(final)
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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2009, 10:46:40 AM »
Dream Hammer - O 36216 HP damage

Averages - 

99 Fury HP Damages: 31794

**1) Peppita - 58711 (Short X-Fairie Friend X 125%-Fairie Friend O 175%-Fairie Friend X 225%) [9% HP loss])**
1) Nel - 42240 (Short X-Divine Wrath X 125%-Divine Wrath O 175%) [17% HP loss]
2) Maria - 42112 (Short X-Energy Burst X 125%) [4% HP loss]
3) Cliff - 41305 (Short X-Max Shockwave X 125%-Max Shockwave O 175%) [16% HP loss]
4) Peppita - 36216 HP damage
5) Mirage - 35555 (Short X-Acrobat Locus X 125%-Triple Kick O 175%-Acrobat Locus X 225%) [13% HP loss]
6) Adray - 25702 (Short X-Emotion Torrent X 125%-Emotion Torrent O 175%-Emotion Torrent X 225%) [16% HP loss]
7) Fayt - 23026 (Short X-Side Kick X 125%-Side Kick O 175%-Side Kick X 225%-Side Kick O 300%) [12% HP loss]
8) Albel - 21827 (Short X-Double Slash of Fury X 125%) [Effectively 0% HP loss]
9) Roger - 17670 (Short X-Star Fall X 125%-Fiery Axe O 175%) [10% HP loss]
10) Sophia - 9791 (Short X-Southern Cross X 125%-Southern Cross O 175%) [9% MP loss]

That's without Power Dance. I don't have the exact figures yet for Power Dance > Dream Hammer yet but it's possible Peppita tops 40'000+ with it.

Also I feel it's worth pointing out that even if people force Peppita alone to hit variance factors that Faerie Friend's damage modifiers are powerful enough that even missing a few hits she's probably still doing above average damage =-)
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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2009, 10:55:26 AM »
OK or CT, can either of you explain why some characters' damage changed so dramatically from the earlier version of the damage posted? Sophia/Roger nosedived in particular, but a number of other characters (Nel, Cliff) fell significantly too.

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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2009, 11:06:42 AM »
Did anybody save the other averages? From what I can remember different moves/skill sets were used for some of the characters (Maria - Scatter Beams, Roger - Land Mines, Sophia - Gremlins) than the ones here, that might explain some of the differences. Also irrc nobody was really sure how spell damage was calculated so were just working by ear.

In Roger's case in game he has to chain Land Mines to the desired % then run around placing the mines which explode after a certain amount of time. Maybe OK figured that would be Turn 2 damage or something, dunno.
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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2009, 12:51:59 PM »
Couple reasons -

1) Assumed defense in the damage equations this time compared to the previous topic (100 - doesn't drop by a huge amount, but drops it a bit).  For reference, this drops Max Shockwave down by about 1000 damage, and Divine Wrath by about 2000.

2) Assumed for the moment (when I did the thing) that all skills were level 0, since I couldn't get a consensus on what levels they should be.  Been meaning to correct that.  This makes a huge difference for spells (unless the equations are off) - Sophia should do shitloads with even 100 proficiency.  However, I'll just have to sit down some time and decide what I view as normal here - she stands to gain the most from this, as in, 100 proficiency should put Gremlins at around ~10500 HP damage and ~12500 MP damage (again, assuming level 0, and the equations are correct), with Blood Scylla dealing ~8k to HP and MP (and healing).  This is the biggest impact, as it raises the hits of a lot of skills (a lot of Roger's and Maria's skills in particular) by a good deal as the level goes up.

3) I ignored, as per others, really off-wall skills (Roger's LAND MINES) due to their nature as skills that aren't made to be in-your-face-combat skills.  Roger's best is Land Mines, but since it involves PLACING LAND MINES ON THE GROUND FOR PEOPLE TO WALK IN TO, I ignored that in the averages.

3) Guess the other thing needed is Berserk averages in there.  Guess I can take a break from Persona 4 for this >_>

Anyone have an issue if I just assume 100 proficiency?  I think that's level 2?
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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2009, 12:06:44 PM »
*nod nods*

I assumed as much, that all definitely makes sense.

L2 skills for all seems like the least work so if that works for you go for it ^_^ If you're going for the Berserks though perhaps Peppita would get more out of working Power Dance into the Faerie Friends. I don't know if you work from direct calculations or in game values but for Power Dance it increases ATK by something like an extra 5% per cancel bonus (after the initial 1.75% boost) I'm not sure exactly how much it increases per skill level though apart from the amount at L10! Another option would be L5/6 skills for all which seems like the most balanced option going by an in game playthrough but that would mean more work so we'll just have to eat it. It would give Maria higher level Scatter Beams though (her best in game skill) which she usually spams like crazy.

You don't have to take a break from P4 if you're really enjoying it. This isn't that a big deal I don't think. If you need any help with it though just say, I'm back to playing it again anyway >_>
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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2009, 04:50:30 PM »
Well, ideally, you'd find some way to scale characters based on how long you have them.  I've had some thoughts on this, but it's complicated.  So, Nel's Healing will be a higher level than Adray's, and Adray's higher than Sophia's, due to how long you have them.  Granted, that's a nightmare.  Some skills also won't be used as often, since they aren't that great, while others will be used more often.  I think 100 proficiency is fine - it matters mostly for spells.
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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2009, 02:45:13 AM »
I think a standardized average like 100 uses works pretty well here. Towards the endgame, L2-3 is about where my skills would have averaged out to, between the useless skills I never used, the useless characters I never used, and things like Hammer of Might which I maxed out before getting Sophia... >.>;;

I personally also prefer a standardized proficiency/experience level for characters in stat topics because  it's easier to extrapolate level advantages based on how early a character is available. If the level advantages are already figured into the averages, I find it harder to reverse-extrapolate to standardized proficiency/experience levels. I guess FE7 Nino is the normal example, here? It's easier for me to look at the stat topic with her level standardized to everyone else's and then think 'Oh, she was a late-joiner, so she's not as good as advertised' than to see her stats at some arbitrary disadvantaged level and then try to figure out where she'd be if I was judging her based on a standardized setting.

(And yes, I'm not quite decided where I stand on how I view characters who are late-joiners or high-starting-level types... so it waffles back and forth while I'm figuring it out. ATM, I'm leaning towards enforcing level advantages/disadvantages because it reflects in-game performance more closely, but still not sure...)

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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2009, 01:24:53 PM »
Thanks guys. Standardized works best then I think. I find with this game it's quality not quantity that counts (I know some people that picked up Roger at Duggus, never used him and he was still L6 with 0 skill proficiency at the end of disc one >_>) So one could have a character for ages and not do anything with them or stop to train a favourite character up when they join. This mainly applies to Sophia, Peppita and Mirage but it can apply to Maria too. When she joins you already have a worked on Nel with a better weapon but if you give Maria the same treatment she's soon breaking the game.

Djinn: RE level advantages/disadvantages - I usually solo Peppita/Sophia up to the level average of when they join myself but mileage will very. Moonbase and Styx are ripe for EXP and often gamers end up high levelled if they stop there a while. Sometimes I get Faerie Friend, depends on how much abuse I feel like giving the enemy >_>

I ended up with a L3 Blood Scylla and L3 Gremlins from the messing around I did the other night. Within 100 proficiency with each. Power Dance also ends up at L3 (104 proficiency raises the spell/dance level to L4) I think it's just spells/dances that can be higher than L2 within 100 proficiency but there might be others like Fayt's Side Kick irrc.
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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2009, 07:02:56 PM »
Well, for the DL, you must assume the character in question has been used as part of the main team, no matter how bad. It's not fair to double penalise a character for sucking (not only are you bad, but we're going to make you worse because people won't use you and you'll be underlevelled!). So the comments about Roger don't really apply.

Similarly, you shouldn't show preferential treatment to a character over another. You want to give Peppita/Sophia 100,000 (warning: made-up number) Experience in Moonbase/Styx? Give that to everyone else in the party, too, so they will always maintain some semblance of a level lead, although it shrinks because higher levelled characters need more Exp to level up.

Granted, I currently consider everyone in RPGs at equal levels anyway, but have been considering switching over to not doing so. (I'm actually a bit more inclined to cut Nino a little slack because the game rewards raw Exp gain... but even so she'll dive to Light with even, say, 5 levels taken away.) For some RPGs it can make a pretty big difference. It's just very difficult, often, to calculate what the levels should be (except for games like Phantasy Star 4 where the differences are due to level gain rate). I do intend to do it for the Fire Emblem games when I'm not lazy.

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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2009, 08:23:11 PM »
Well, for the DL, you must assume the character in question has been used as part of the main team, no matter how bad. It's not fair to double penalise a character for sucking (not only are you bad, but we're going to make you worse because people won't use you and you'll be underlevelled!). So the comments about Roger don't really apply.

Oh yeah, of course. I actually use Roger myself since I don't see the point of taking along an optional if I'm never going to use them, besides I'm probably in the minority here but I don't think he's really that bad early on.

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Similarly, you shouldn't show preferential treatment to a character over another. You want to give Peppita/Sophia 100,000 (warning: made-up number) Experience in Moonbase/Styx? Give that to everyone else in the party, too, so they will always maintain some semblance of a level lead, although it shrinks because higher levelled characters need more Exp to level up.

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Yeah, that's what I did the first time I took along Peppita (Cliff/Albel/Peppita team - Cliff and Albel were L50+ from trying to do the optional part of Mosel on disc one >_>) and like you said the level lead shrinks in the end.

I suppose I should have made it clearer that depending on what type of game I'm playing I'll level up all characters not just Peppita/Sophia up to the party average when they join >_> So when Roger joins I build him up, then Maria and so on <_< Trying to keep things balanced like that definitely isn't the standard way of playing a game I guess but I find that to be the most fair when trying to compare between the characters.


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Granted, I currently consider everyone in RPGs at equal levels anyway, but have been considering switching over to not doing so. (I'm actually a bit more inclined to cut Nino a little slack because the game rewards raw Exp gain... but even so she'll dive to Light with even, say, 5 levels taken away.) For some RPGs it can make a pretty big difference. It's just very difficult, often, to calculate what the levels should be (except for games like Phantasy Star 4 where the differences are due to level gain rate). I do intend to do it for the Fire Emblem games when I'm not lazy.

Good luck with that =-)
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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2009, 11:41:29 AM »
Hrnn, I suck at explaining things. Sorry about that.

I was thinking of an alternative big damage option for Peppita (and this effects Maria too to an extent)

Power Dance modifies attack/damage by 1.75 at L1 right so how about she does this? -

Turn 1 - Power Dance
Turn 2 - 63378 HP Damage (Dream Hammer - O)

Maria -

Turn 1 - Power Up
Turn 2 - 63168 HP damage (Short X-Energy Burst X 125%)

Does that mean they OHKO on turn 2?

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Re: Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2009, 02:47:31 PM »
Certainly not, given how the SO3 average is somewhere in the 40k area with Berserk IIRC. That would get them 2HKOing after the buffing, at least (That's around 1.5x average damage? Not a great 2HKO, but passable enough).
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