Season 49 Rankings: Naesala, Mana Khemia, Mega Man X Command Mission

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

More or less. It lets him lap average speed people, which is relevant, or slightly above, but nothing too impressive.

[Pyro]

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Naesala: High Heavy. The durability/damage/evade combo is pretty good.

Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis

MK Anna Lemouri: Middle. ID, speed, pushes a 2HKO if she burns all her resources.
MK Flay Gunnar: Low Heavy. He's slow and doesn't OHKO, so not much of a Heavy slugger in that regard.
MK Isolde: Godlike. I think several of her moves have a QH like effect, but this will need to be tested more and Sword Creation is the big one anyway. Still has timed cards/Mdef busting at high HP.
MK Jessica Philomele: High Middle. She is good at the whole healing thing.
MK Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII: Middle/Heavy. I think Change! works to prevent you from spending time rather than retreating. Well, I'll have to think on it.
MK Nicole Mimi Tithel (Nikki): Heavy. She is good at what she does and what she does is hurting things.
MK Pamela Ibis: High Heavy. Godlike is a mage division so she gets reamed there. Her silence is too close to borderline to be relied on against most mage enemies, who typically have high Mdef.
MK Renee: High Middle.
MK Roxis Rosencrantz: Middle. Several tricks but nothing overpowered at all.
MK Tony: Heavy. 2HKOing boss rar.
MK Vayne Aurelius: Heavy. Overrealm is good at what it does. Durable enough to get that slowish effective turn, certainly. I don't think he's as raped by evade whores as others do, personally.

[Vortex Infinitum]

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Naesala - Heavy/Godlike

Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis

MK Anna Lemouri - Middle
MK Flay Gunnar - Middle/Heavy
MK Isolde - Godlike
MK Jessica Philomele - Middle
MK Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII - Light
MK Nicole Mimi Tithel (Nikki) - High Heavy
MK Pamela Ibis - Heavy/Godlike
MK Renee - Low Heavy
MK Roxis Rosencrantz - Middle
MK Tony - Heavy
MK Vayne Aurelius - Heavy

[Talaysen]

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Naesala - Low Godlike - I allow FE10 form but not shifting on initiative.  IIRC, FE9 form autoshifts in the final battle so no problem there.

Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis

MK Anna Lemouri - High Middle - Fast, ID, 2-rounds average.  Evade whores kind of hurt as well as healers and people she miss the 2HKO on/can't ID.
MK Flay Gunnar - Middle/Heavy - Kind of slow, but the late battle damage he can rack up is pretty nuts.
MK Isolde - Godlike - Not too big on durability hype here, but being defence focused rather than HP focused helps her quite a bit to me.
MK Jessica Philomele - High Middle - A healer that can't be heal locked!  Runs screaming from blitzers/elemental resistance though.
MK Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII - Middle - Change!  Too bad he's kind of slow and fails outside of that.
MK Nicole Mimi Tithel (Nikki) - Heavy - Fast 2HKO/ID.  Simple yet effective.
MK Pamela Ibis - High Heavy - Something keeps telling me that she gets destroyed in Godlike and doesn't completely own Heavy (look at her NR/ToI performence).
MK Renee - High Middle - Takes too long to get going.
MK Roxis Rosencrantz - High Middle - Magical Flay with less durability and more damage, I think?
MK Tony - Low Heavy - I think Path of Evil is time unlocked and Master Combo doesn't do as much damage before then.  Should still 2HKO off the bat though.
MK Vayne Aurelius - High Heavy - OHKO or eat overkill damage.  Nice trick but not much else outside of it.

Mega Man X: Command Mission

MMXCM Axl - Middle/Heavy - Haha no to Ninetails.  But it looks like he can KO average with that invincibility.  Just, lightning resistance and healing screws him over.
MMXCM Cinnamon - High Light - I think this is right.
MMXCM Marino - Godlike - Well, if Marino gets all six of those turns before the enemy, she does about 2xPCHP to me.  Ouch.
MMXCM Massimo - Heavy - Really tanky, and the AT hurts like hell.
MMXCM X - Godlike - Tank game plus a "holy crap" AT later on.
MMXCM Zero - Godlike - Less tanky than X but the damage is far better.  Which says something.

[Luther Lansfeld]

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Naesala- Heavy/Godlike

Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis

MK Renee- Heavy
MK Tony- Middle/Heavy

Mega Man X: Command Mission

MMXCM Axl- Middle/Heavy
MMXCM Cinnamon- Light
MMXCM Marino- Low Godlike. STOOOOP HITTING MEEE
MMXCM Massimo- Low Middle.
MMXCM X- Godlike.
MMXCM Zero- High Heavy

[Sierra]

Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis

MK Anna Lemouri: Middle
MK Flay Gunnar: Heavy
MK Isolde: Godlike
MK Jessica Philomele: Middle
MK Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII: High Light
MK Nicole Mimi Tithel (Nikki): Heavy
MK Pamela Ibis: High Heavy
MK Renee: Heavy
MK Roxis Rosencrantz: Middle
MK Tony: Middle/Heavy
MK Vayne Aurelius: Middle/Heavy

Mega Man X: Command Mission

MMXCM Axl: Middle
MMXCM Cinnamon: High Light
MMXCM Marino: High Heavy
MMXCM Massimo: High Middle
MMXCM X: Heavy/Godlike
MMXCM Zero: Heavy/Godlike

[VySaika]

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Naesala - High Heavy

Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis

MK Anna Lemouri - Middle
MK Flay Gunnar - High Middle
MK Isolde - Godlike
MK Jessica Philomele - Middle
MK Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII - Middle
MK Nicole Mimi Tithel (Nikki) - Heavy
MK Pamela Ibis - High Heavy
MK Renee - Heavy
MK Roxis Rosencrantz - Middle
MK Tony - Heavy
MK Vayne Aurelius - Heavy

Mega Man X: Command Mission

MMXCM Axl - Middle
MMXCM Cinnamon - Light
MMXCM Marino - High Heavy
MMXCM Massimo - Middle
MMXCM X - Godlike
MMXCM Zero - Heavy

[DomaDragoon]

MMXCM Axl - Low Middle
MMXCM Cinnamon - Light
MMXCM Marino - Heavy
MMXCM Massimo - High Light
MMXCM X - High Heavy
MMXCM Zero - High Heavy

[SnowFire]

FE9 Naesala - Godlike (4.8?).  Just use the FE10 form.  I guess I see why people can be leery of the FE9 form straight up, as his damage isn't nearly as good as I'd kneejerk it according to the stat topic (maybe because he's being rated against all +5 Silver weapons, which tends to hurt Laguz and Ragnell a bit?).  But even FE9 PC form straight up is borderline at absolute worst.  (And, of course, the boss form is nightmarish for those who vote on it.)  Looking at Ephraim and Eirika's old matches...   Naesala beats Tidus in the finals (Vortex whittles Tidus down while he buffs, Evade & Counter doesn't stop N's counters once Tidus actually attacks, Tidus is practically doing no damage at all vs. N's defense), and also beats Presea (Pow Hammer DX probably doesn't hit weakness vs. him?).  Though amusingly enough Cait Sith goes from solid win for Ephraim to coin flip since FE9 Naesala probably doesn't OHKO Cait and has to rely on evading his status lest he become a Frog-Laguz.  So yeah, he'd be upgrade bait anyway, even if durable Heavies with unevadable status could be problematic.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Heh, I have the opposite problem - FE9 Naesala's damage is higher than I kneejerk, since he does 4 damage to the only enemy I've ever seen him fight. That said, of course he's better than Ephraim; Eph's a slightly above average Heavy at best. He's not better than Eirika - he'd have not only lost to the people she lost to, but he'd have a good deal more trouble with both Suicune and Jenova (depending on interp for the latter). He also loses to Tidus if you see Haste stopping his doubles (undoubled Vortex doesn't even scare Tidus, he triggers a bunch of Magic Counters while Tidus Cheers -> Blitz Ace without triggering counters). I don't, granted, but I think some do?

I do think he's being a bit overrated, but with FE10 issues around I don't especially care. I find it utterly bizarre that he might make Godlike while Marino falls short, since the latter just feels so much better at the same game (ID and ITE > weak wind magic; above average speed > average; overkill damage > OHKO, for almost any durability difference). The token FE10 votes explain the difference, as I mentioned, but yeah.

[VySaika]

Edited Naesala and Marino one step down and up respectively to High Heavy.

[Sir Donald 3.2]

MMXCM:

Axl:  Middle.  Fire, Ice/Water, and Lightning are common but not Ubiquitous.  Axl would probably get better millage from Manhunter's Crit-vs-Human rate.
Cinnamon:  Tough Call.  She halves ALL Elements in-game, so I extend that to most Elements in the DL, and can use her Armor to get 2HKO Damage.  She can still be Heal-Locked, though... High Light.  Let her earn a Championship.
Marino:  Said well by others before, Basically Feena on Swords Dance.  Heavy/Godlike, and hope you can Status/ID her on Turn 1!  Maybe Extreme Speedsters like Alena can get through the chain.  "Next!"
Massimo:  Slow.  But if he gets that 2nd turn... It's just too bad he cries at ALL Elements except Water and Ice.  And Status.  Well, until you turn the Glint on as far as the Elements go.  Still fits right in at Middle.
X:  Yeah, Heavy/Godlike.  Just barely misses 2HKO with Ultimate Armor (though Sub-Weapons take care of that nicely.)  Still has excellent Damage on Turn 3, and is the only Hunter with a long enough Hyper Mode to do it one more time.  (Plus the Armor halving Damage allowing him to use it an extra cycle.)
Zero:  High Heavy.  2HKO with just Heat Haze; OHKO with just Black Armor.  Massive Damage when you combine the two!  "Hardly a fight" indeed.  Until you get to guys that can OHKO at average speed (which Zero falls just short of).  Again, let him earn a Championship.

BTW, Marino has 112% Average Speed with the Chakram (Speed Equip).  What does Feena's Speed Options rate her?

Also, Dwyer:  Hawkeye costs 5 WE.  Marino can still Slot on 1st turn if you allow her 50%, but she'll definitely need to wait for 4th "Turn" to get her 2nd Slot in.  Which brings her down by about 4650/2000 vs OK's post... and right in line with mine.  (I have her slotting at 75%+, but would probably consider 70%.  60%'s... quite Iffy to me...)

EDIT:  Changed my votes to align with the system on Elfboy's Intro Post.  Still thought it was the old 25% standards...

[Lance]

Bumped Marino up to High Heavy after some sweet-talking by Dhyer.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Thanks to everyone who posted ranking updates in the topic.

I should really start posting this at the start of each topic: please make a new post if you make a ranking change!

[Dhyerwolf]

BTW, Marino has 112% Average Speed with the Chakram (Speed Equip).  What does Feena's Speed Options rate her?

Also, Dwyer:  Hawkeye costs 5 WE.  Marino can still Slot on 1st turn if you allow her 50%, but she'll definitely need to wait for 4th "Turn" to get her 2nd Slot in.  Which brings her down by about 4650/2000 vs OK's post... and right in line with mine.  (I have her slotting at 75%+, but would probably consider 70%.  60%'s... quite Iffy to me...)

Feena doesn't really have speed options. Actually, her DL duelling move comes out so slowly so I'd see Time Gate as being below average speed.

I didn't think she could have 50 WE on turn 1, but since her AT is just a slots game with no time limit (Right?) if doesn't seem like she'd really have any problems using it at 50 WE unless the game stacked it against you (Which the stat topic says it doesn't!). I do seem to remember her having one of the only ATs that didn't literally screw up both my fingers and my controller. Granted, if you see Cinnamon 2HKOing in any way, Marino is not going to care about losing 5000 damage over 6 turns because it means that you're kill point is less than 11,000.

[Sir Donald 3.2]

Each Chara has an innate WE.  Marino's is highest at 32.  (Cinnamon's is lowest at 10.)  Each Chara gets +25 WE at the start of each turn, including Turn 1.  So she can trigger slots, even with Hawkeye, on Turn 1.  (X and Axl can also use their Triggers on Turn 1, but Axl and Marino might not get their actions off at 50/52% (not enough time/slots too fast IMO), and if you can do it then more power to you.  X has his own reasons not to Trigger at 50%.)

BTW, Cinnamon's 2500, as I saw it, was 500 each hit for 5 hits.  (I saw her do more like 3000 total, but that was to Ch. 8-9 Preon Defenses.)  The kill point is still below 11k, though.  Basically whether you consider Cinnamon to be 4HKO or 5HKO depends on whether you factor limits and/or allow Ninetails.  (Zero becomes OHKO with Black Armor+Heat Haze, and everyone else except Axl get that way when they reach Limits.  Which, with Marino, is Turn 1...  Heck, even X with Ultimate Armor can break OHKO at 50% (Turn 1).)

[Dhyerwolf]

Edited rankings for Tony, Renee, Marino, and Massimo.

[Lady Ashe]

MK Anna Lemouri - Middle
MK Flay Gunnar - Heavy
MK Isolde - Godlike
MK Jessica Philomele - High Middle
MK Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII - Middle/Heavy
MK Nicole Mimi Tithel (Nikki) - Heavy
MK Pamela Ibis - Heavy/Godlike
MK Renee - High Middle
MK Roxis Rosencrantz - High Middle
MK Tony - Heavy
MK Vayne Aurelius - Heavy

[Dark Holy Elf]

Thanks for everyone who participated! The results:

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

FE9 Naesala 4.56 Godlike

Mana Khemia: Alcheists of Al-Revis

MK Anna Lemouri 3.30 Middle
MK Flay Gunnar 3.71 Middle
MK Isolde Schelling 4.95 Godlike
MK Jessica Philomele 3.43 Middle
MK Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck VII 3.20 Middle
MK Nicole Mimi Tithel (Nikki) 4.17 Heavy
MK Pamela Ibis 4.44 Heavy
MK Renee Kearse 3.81 Heavy
MK Roxis Rosencrantz 3.45 Middle
MK Tony Eisler 3.88 Heavy
MK Vayne Aurelius 4.02 Heavy

Mega Man X: Command Mission

MMXCM Axl 3.31 Middle
MMXCM Cinnamon 2.67 Light
MMXCM Marino 4.54 Godlike
MMXCM Massimo 3.29 Middle
MMXCM X 4.70 Godlike
MMXCM Zero 4.28 Heavy