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« Reply #725 on: September 27, 2010, 09:08:28 AM »
Middle of book 4 of the Dark Tower- Think I'm tabling this for a while. Really unfond of the following teenager section of the book/seeing teenage puppy love lead the main character around by the nose into idiocy. Not to say the story is bad, but it's a frustrating read when you already have a pretty decent idea how will it kind of all fall out.
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« Reply #726 on: September 27, 2010, 04:27:45 PM »
Skim Mejis until shits starts happening there in that case; the end of the arc is a good read. Sadly, 90% of the book is a flashback- while the actual story is good, it moves pretty damn slowly and is King buying time because he has no idea where to take Roland's main story.

Edit: Read the final Atlantis book from turtledove. There is some lazy turtledove in here, but the basic concept is enjoyable enough that I can't complain too much.
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« Reply #727 on: October 04, 2010, 12:02:49 AM »
Kate Elliot- Cold Magic. Kate Elliot is generally fun, and this is no exception. Unlike the first book of her last trilogy, this feels like it gets off to a much more solid start. What I unfortunately didn't realize was that there wasn't actually a hardcover version, so the paperback version I bought that came out only a month ago was the first release and that the second book isn't anywhere near out.
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« Reply #728 on: October 04, 2010, 04:40:53 AM »
Finishing Green Mars was a struggle - not because it's not a good book, just because I lost interest in science fiction in the middle of reading it. Liked it, like the way it ended, but felt a little overwhelmed with the insistence on science and politics. Did not enjoy it quite as much as Red Mars, but I loved Nirgal and his role.

Started and finished Way of Kings this week. Whee, 1000 pages of epic! I had read the first few preview chapters that were posted online prior to the release, and I wasn't terribly impressed. However, I figured since I'd paid $30+ for it and gotten it signed, I may as well read it, and, well... Yay! Glad I did.

Nothing really coherent to say about it right now (I'm goddamned exhausted today for some reason), but: you can tell it's Sanderson (characters, themes), but he's DEFINITELY toned down the Sanderson Avalanche. I can see why it will take 10 books to write, and I'm looking forward to it! The most interesting part is in the elements within it that mark it as part of the same universe as his other books, which is very cool.

I recommend that if you like Sanderson, you read this one. It's quite a commitment (I'm serious, it's about 1000 pages in hardcover), but worth it. He built another interesting world and another intriguing magic system.
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« Reply #729 on: October 04, 2010, 08:55:57 AM »
All Star Superman - Holy shit.  This really is as good as advertised.  It isn't exactly going to make me go out and buy and love Superman comics or anything, but I kind of understand where people who do enjoy it are coming from a bit better.

Quintum is toooootally Luthor though yeah.
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« Reply #730 on: October 04, 2010, 04:53:16 PM »
I can't decide if I'm looking forward to the movie or dreading it. the book's still amazing, though. Especially the Clark vs. Luthor and Jimmy Olsen issues.
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« Reply #731 on: October 04, 2010, 08:40:46 PM »
All Star Superman - Holy shit.  This really is as good as advertised.

Grant Morrison, man.  Knows his shit.  Just picked up the first volume myself.  Impressive.
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« Reply #732 on: October 05, 2010, 09:27:49 PM »
Elantris - Pretty good. Not the best Sanderson novel by any stretch, but still an enjoyable read with some quite likable characters (in particular, I liked both Hrathen and Sarene, though if you didn't see the latter coming you really don't know my biases very well). Magic system is -not- up to Sanderson standards but fortunately it barely exists. The New Elantris sub-plot itself was quite well-done, Arelon stuff also good, etc. There are a few more twists than are really justified (it feels like just about -every- secondary character had some big drama-bomb secret, most not relevant to the main plot even) but really that's my biggest complaint.

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« Reply #733 on: October 06, 2010, 05:24:57 AM »
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« Reply #734 on: October 06, 2010, 05:51:01 PM »
Read Cry Wolf. It's book 2 in a romance series by Patricia Briggs that isn't the Mercy series. It's werewolves. It's a romance. Need I say more? (Yes? Okay. It was terrible, very cotton candy.) For the record, I still like werewolf stories, and I still hate romance, and I especially hate that werewolf stories are, lately, all romance.

Coming up... let's see. I have The Windup Girl, that one that won some awards this year. I have Robin McKinley's Sunshine. I have Tom Holt's Who's Afraid of Beowulf? I have Blue Mars. I can probably finish two or three of those by the time Towers of Midnight comes out (November 2), and also Side Jobs, the Dresden Files short collection that comes out October 26. And then there's that zombie story collection with something by Neil Gaiman that comes out October 16...

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« Reply #735 on: October 09, 2010, 10:39:59 PM »
Way of kings got. Let's see how it is!
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« Reply #736 on: October 09, 2010, 11:09:19 PM »
Only now?! Despite what I said previously, I'm about 2/3 of the way through it.
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« Reply #737 on: October 10, 2010, 12:07:42 AM »
That was my fault. Brandon Sanderson was here in SF so I got super's copy signed. Then I took forever to actually send it to him. <_<

Reading The Windup Girl now, and it's... interesting. It's one of those books you expect will go down in SF/F canon simply because of the way it's written. Does that make sense? It doesn't feel "genre." It's just... a book, with a background that takes some getting used to. It's not to say the background isn't interesting -- it's set in Thailand, in the near-ish future, dystopian -- just that it isn't what makes the story. And yet it's not character driven. It's... literary.

Anyway.

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« Reply #738 on: October 10, 2010, 07:00:26 AM »
Slogging through Cryptonomicon.  Slowly.  About 400 pages in and I'm still not sure what to think about it; the book keeps hinting at some sort of plot or tie-together, but doesn't really deliver, just keeps on with Vignettes About Things That Happen in People's Lives.  The prose is neither bad nor particularly enjoyable, though it does strike a nice balance of density. 

Plotwise... SPOILERS, the allies are going to win WW2!  So there is that, and Randy's story is... just terribly uninteresting so far, so eh.  And yet we are already up to Yamamoto's death in the war timeline but less than halfway through the book.  Hm. 

Obviously this all has been enough to keep me going on it so far, but I really expected... more, in general, from all the hype Stephenson's gotten, and in particular some payoff for all the crypto ramblings in this one beyond "crypto is cool if you are a wartime codebreaker or paranoid business mover and shaker!"  But there is a lot of book left so we'll see.


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« Reply #739 on: October 13, 2010, 08:53:39 AM »
The Way of Kings- This was fun! Starts out very slow paced, but the characters and setting are both generally well done. I just think that I think Sanderson's a competent enough writer where that I just feel I'd like most fantasy he'd write! Maybe it just because now I'm trying a Tad Williams book and despite liking his last two massive series, something on this one isn't connecting.
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« Reply #740 on: October 14, 2010, 09:06:02 AM »
Finished Cryptonomicon.  The second half of the book is immensely better than the first half in terms of having things actually happen such that the reader not only pays attention but cares about what is going on, italicized to highlight the utter, utter lack of this in the novel's first half.  Unfortunately, it remains astoundingly poorly written, replacing the first half's lack of action with a sudden and quite abrupt lack of continuity or coherence.  A non-comprehensive list of offenses follows, there are spoilers but given the madcap nature of the book I don't care and neither should whoever reads this.

- 90% (if not more) of the important events in the book happen "offscreen," with POV segments constantly cutting out right before something interesting might happen, or starting right after something interesting has happened and proceeding as though the reader should already know what's going on, playing coy and maybe bothering to actually state that, say, a massive earthquake wiped out a character's house once in an offhand sentence several pages later.

- I am unconvinced that Neal Stephenson has ever had a meaningful platonic social interaction with a female human being, much less an interaction that might be construed as a romantic relationship.  Despite a number of female characters being important to the novel, not a single one of them gets a POV chapter.  Ever.  Women get a couple of POV paragraphs at most, and when these occur they always inhabit a strange space halfway between narration and the imagination of the current male focus.  This would not be offensive, or even particularly notable, were it not for the fact that all the women who do appear are portrayed as incapable, unintelligent harpies or baby factories.  Bitches and whores, to the bone.  Even Amy Shaftoe, who seems like a strong character at first, takes a sudden fall from competence the instant Randy takes a serious romantic interest in her and spends the latter two thirds or so of the novel doing absolutely nothing of consequence, being upstaged by her father (who inherits all of the badass ability she first displayed), and finally getting shot and having to be carried while every other (male) character around her fights back.  Most of it is displayed as willful incompetence, to boot.  I only watched Denpa Teki no Kanojo a week ago and already this has supplanted it as the most shockingly misogynist modern work I've encountered.

- Plot threads and characters are picked up and dropped like rocks in a labor camp, in a crescendo of turnabouts culminating in the ending.  What the hell happened to the Dentist?  He's a major antagonist and driving force throughout the book, he visits Randy in jail for reasons unknown, then poof, he's never heard from again and everyone somehow manages to just quit and walk away from that whole Epiphyte business!  But SUDDENLY, Andrew Loeb appears as a crazed maniac in the jungle!  Remember him?  No?  Probably for the better because if you do your brain will break even more trying to figure out why and how he wound up there.  What about the Sultan, or Kinakuta in general?  What happened to Bischoff and Rudy, did they make it?  Did Wing and Goto really never bother talking to each other about setting up some sort of joint venture?  Why does the entire book suddenly do a 180 and turn the focus to a search for this gold bunker, which IS hinted at and talked about and IS NOT AT ALL important in the first half of the book?  What exactly is Enoch Root's society, and for that matter who is he anyway?  Oh wait, he is actually a world-weary repentant immortal alchemist-deity appearing as a crossover from Stephenson's other novels like a bad White Wolf character.  I wish I was making that up but that is actually what he is.

- Prose techniques on the other hand are a little too consistent.  The entire book, cover to cover, is written in a monotone of drolly ironic narration, and employs the same devices over and over again.  Look, here comes an upbeat side character providing contrast to our grim, world-weary POV man!  One sentence to two pages later, upbeat side character is suddenly and arbitrarily killed, and the text provides a helpful zoom-in on how arbitrary, swift, and inevitably brutal the poor man's death is.  Just in case the reader hasn't quite gotten the WAR IS HELL thing jammed entirely down their throat yet, you know.  Also, any striking detail or event described in one or two sentences will inevitably resurface, while anything that takes pages to describe can be safely skipped as it will turn out to be of no importance whatsoever later on.  And then there's Stephenson's oh-so-random-it's-clearly-meaningful-and-deep method of suddenly breaking into ridiculously overdetailed description for no apparent reason, like the two pages taken to describe a human as a collection of fleshy sacs and chemicals, or the infamous Cap'n Crunch breakfast that puts Death Note's potato chips to shame.

This book is completely terrible.  It tries to be The Da Vinci Code and winds up as poorly articulated, contrived, misogynist WW2 fanfiction with a Marty Stu fantasy crossover cameo to put the icing on the cake of crap.  Dan Brown's writing is artistically superior to this, and that is a statement I had hoped never to make.  I am left with zero desire to read anything else by Stephenson and a sense of utter bewilderment.  Is there some sort of joke I am missing out on?  Is there a final part of the book encrypted somewhere that at least ties up some of the plot holes?  I just don't know what else to say.

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« Reply #741 on: October 14, 2010, 02:18:05 PM »
Nobody should start reading Stephenson with Cryptonomicon. That book is a concentrated mass not only of his own writing flaws, but new ones he'd apparently seen other people use and wanted to try out for himself, all combined with his (then-brand-new) hobby of writing three times as many words as any reader would actually care about.

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« Reply #742 on: October 17, 2010, 02:30:35 PM »
Finished the Fruits Basket manga.   Sigggghhhhhhhh *romancegasm*

Starting Way of Kings.  It's quite enjoyable so far.

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« Reply #743 on: October 23, 2010, 07:07:53 PM »
Way of Kings finished.  Loved it.  I daresay I liked it better than Mistborn, which is high praise indeed.

Actually I do have one complaint:  the chapters ended.  No I don't want to read about Shallan, I want to read more Kaladin!  Wait, don't switch to Dalinar, this Shallan thing is interesting!  Gah, Kaladin already?  But I'm so engrossed in this bit about Dalinar!

So yeah, it's a story that you don't want to end.

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« Reply #744 on: October 23, 2010, 07:24:43 PM »
Yeah, that's always been my biggest problem with multi-perspective books. It's a good problem to have, sure -- for the author. The reader just gets frustrated. I think Sanderson handled it pretty well, though, as the toughest way to keep the reader going is to show them that things are still happening and NOT make them remember every little detail about where they last left off (or, gasp, make them turn back to the previous chapter because they can't remember why everyone's standing around looking serious!).
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« Reply #745 on: November 04, 2010, 04:50:58 AM »
Towers of Midnight- Done! Enjoyed it, but less than I enjoyed book 12.

Mega spoilers, absolutely do not read:

My problem is some this book is predicable. Some of the events (Berelain/Galad, Mat losing his eye, Moiraine's rescue, GRENDAEL KILLING ASMODEAN THANKS FOR COMPLETELY DRAWING THAT OUT WAY LONGER THAN NEEDED) have been so hinted at and foreshadowed that some of the impact was lost. There was also some rehashing with a twist- Nynaeve's testing in particular stands out there. Enough bitching, time to list favorite scenes. 

I'm also not sure what the fuck to make of new Rand.


Epilogue was pretty awesomse!
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« Reply #746 on: November 04, 2010, 08:09:29 AM »
None of that needed to be spoiler warninged, all been straight up told or hinted at for so long it doesn't matter or no one cares anymore.
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« Reply #747 on: November 07, 2010, 07:14:37 PM »
Finished Towers of Midnight.

It definitely has that "middle child" feel to it, considering its place as Book 2 of the three book final book (hah). None of the excitement and set-up of the first one, none of the finality of the last one. It was pretty much a space to tie up anything that needed to be resolved before they could move on to the final book.

That said, I did enjoy it! There were some characters I really didn't want to hear from anymore (Elayne, ugh), and some scenes and character PoVs which felt completely thrown in. The information divulged in them was useful, just the presentation left much to be desired.

This one felt so much like something Jordan wrote, both good and bad. I think Sanderson handles characters better (mostly), but Jordan's got this thing for convoluted plots and Xanatos gambits that really showed up here. There was plenty of meandering and moments where I stopped and thought, "Is this really necessary? Can I skip ahead?" (that's when I first noticed the Jordan-ness <_<), but overall it felt like a throwback to the bits and pieces that make Wheel of Time something I willingly slog through.

One more year and Robert Jordan's magnum opus is over. I feel pretty similar to how I felt when I read Harry Potter number 6 (SHUT UP, no one asked you - besides, I also just admitted I willingly read Wheel of Time, so you've got nothing). You've spent so much time with these characters and stories and all the speculation, and in one or two short years it's just going to be ... over. I mean, dude. Twenty years in the making. The guy died before he could see it out. That's pretty epic.
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« Reply #748 on: November 10, 2010, 06:39:18 AM »
Towers of Midnight - Halfway through this. Better than I expected, honestly - the book jacket makes it sound like it'll be the most boring in the series. Probably because half of it talks about Perrin doing things that are dull retreads of plot arcs from literally 9 books ago. And, truth be told, whenever I read about Perrin in a wolf dream I do start wanting to skip pages. On the other hand, the scene with Elayne and Mat is one of the most hilarious in the series - those two have such a wrong chemistry it's great, Sanderson and/or Jordan clearly enjoys writing both. Generally I'm enjoying all the perspectives except Perrin's (and even then, Perrin's are spliced with those of Galad, which are surprisingly good) and those in Saldaea, which are weakly written and involve a character to whom we just have zero attachment.

Way too soon to say where it fits in the order of books, but I'm very glad I got my hands on it.

More spoilerful stuff:
Aw yeah more Graendal. I had zero problem with the "retcon" because I was suspicious that something like this is exactly what happened, it's just so -her-. I kinda get the feeling she's on borrowed time and will be gone by the end of the book, which is kind of a shame because outside maybe Moridin she's the only remaining Forsaken I feel a strong connection to, as well as the most threatening one to the good guys because she isn't a total moron like Dem or as powerless as Cyndane/Moggy.

Trying to puzzle out who the assassin in the white tower is... thinking it's Shiaine? Since Egwene's (and Min/Rand/Nynaeve's) chapters are clearly happening chronologically after Elayne's (and Mat's/Perrin's), and Shiaine did escape... rest does fit. The assassin doesn't seem to channel, is either a woman or a decidedly short man, is connected to Alviarin/the Black Ajah, and Shiaine one of the most notable Darkfriend assassins if my memory serves.

I loved the fight scene with Elayne solo versus the three Black Ajah members and Hanlon. Throwing the medallion copy at someone to disrupt her weaves = priceless. Also the best darkfriends are the ones who are on fire. Although Elayne has the shittiest luck with dealing with them, the one instant she chooses to interrogate Chesmal (loved this too, fun plan), her friends are executing a prison break? That's even crazier than what happened in Knife of Dreams. Oh well, looks like it made her less silly about Min's vision, which was a long time coming.

Also Mat's letter to Elayne. I swear, Sanderson is going to have me outright -liking- Mat at this rate. My world is crumbling! He does need to man up and open Verin's letter already, though.

Also MAJOR CHARACTERS ACTUALLY SEEKING EACH OTHER OUT AND TALKING TO EACH OTHER. Mat and Elayne kinda speaks to this, but also Gawyn and Elayne (-finally-), Rand and Egwene... these are all very overdue. Making the Light totally less screwed than it was before. Now if only Perrin would join this new trend, and fucking leave the Ghealdan area fucking finally for the first time since book fucking seven that would make me happy. Or in the words of Ciato, we could just have NO MORE PERRIN. That would also work.


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« Reply #749 on: November 10, 2010, 08:33:26 AM »
So yeah you should end up liking him under Sanderson, it is a character type he writes well.
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