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« Reply #900 on: August 24, 2011, 03:57:56 AM »
Kevin Costner in Dances with Dragons:  Finished.  Continues the tradition of the odd-numbered books in the series being good.  Hmm, actually...

1 (Fabulous) > 3 (Great) > 5 (Good) >>> 2 (Poor) > 4 (Bad)

Which means book 6 should be the coming of the apocalypse.

The split narrative started in book 4 was a colossally bad idea, and the beginning of this book shows exactly why.  When Jon and Sam are having a conversation, you are reading the exact same damn thing you read in the last book.  Luckily, Martin realizes he made a mistake, and corrects it quickly.  You're into "new" material by the halfway point.  And it works for the most part.

I don't like the "dwarfmance"; it's too forced.  And it's evident there's too many plotthreads started at this point.  I mean, we haven't seen Rickon since book 3?

And alas, poor Kevan.  It's always the competent ones that get shafted.

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« Reply #901 on: August 24, 2011, 03:13:58 PM »
Oh right. I also forgot I read Aftermath out of Side Jobs (the short that directly follows Changes). Also can't talk much about it.

I guess I should comment. Butcher continues to improve generally every book. Changes was a really great use of the Dresden Files' rogue gallery, although I would have liked to see more of a few folks. It may just be that I haven't reread the series recently enough, but the writing did generally seem... quippier? I kind of wavered back and forth on my opinion regarding it but ultimately decided, given the cast and characters and situation, that it made enough sense.

Served well as a season finale for the series up to this point.

Aftermath was pretty much filler, but amusing enough. Fun to see him use another character for a prespective character in a short piece. That's what connected shorts are for!

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« Reply #902 on: August 27, 2011, 12:54:47 AM »
Gauntlgrym.

The latest Dark Elf Book (in paperback, anyhow), and one of the better ones in the series, in my opinion. Gauntlgrym is the first book in what is the new era of Drizzt's life. It is a very nice, very dwarfy (EXCELLENTLY Dwarfy) book that stands quite well as a Drizzt book. It's kind of a shame that they're using it to hawk their new videogame, because the book itself doesn't need to be attached to something else. It is a good book.

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« Reply #903 on: September 02, 2011, 02:30:00 PM »
So I was foolish enough to spend money on a "Best of The Spirit" collection at a used bookstore.

Not that the book wasn't worth the money, mind you. But because I'd managed to avoid reading The Spirit before and now I'm going to have to spend all of my money buying the complete reprints.
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« Reply #904 on: September 07, 2011, 03:32:42 PM »
Full Dark, No Stars- Finished this last night.  This is Stephen King's best work since... hell, Hearts in Atlantis before his accident? (That I've read, I've heard good things about Duma Key).  I think the second story about the author was my favorite. Though man. Fair Extension's main character managed to offend/piss me fof more than the villains in the other stories, which says something.
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« Reply #905 on: September 07, 2011, 05:41:37 PM »
Not quite back to Sherlock Holmes yet. Picked up a short story collection to read on the plane, edited, in part, by Neil Gaiman. They were taking a literary view on typical science fiction & fantasy stories, a selection that was far more interested in the fantastical answer to the question "And then what happens?"

They were good, on the whole. Some were a little too arty for my tastes, but definitely not all. They had the pull of a good story, the gripping page turners that make you want to read until the end without stopping because you just can't bear to have to wait to see how it ends.

Picked up Best Science Fiction & Fantasy of 2011 yesterday, so that's my next jump. Short stories are the perfect pace setter for longer dives into novels. I might get back to Sherlock Holmes, finally, after I finish with this one. Maybe not, though, as November looms nearer.
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« Reply #906 on: September 15, 2011, 02:59:45 PM »
Actually started reading Red Mars during my vacation.

Not actually liking it much so far.  I don't especially like any of the characters so far (excluding Hiroko, I guess, but she has little screen time).  I don't have a lot to say about them--most of them aren't awful, but there's just very little there that makes me interested in them.

Some of the math is horrendous; like...there was an equation where they were measuring the sustainability of a farm, and they had

s = K - m/M

Where K was some made-up constant that could have been dropped from the equation completely, and you'd think m/M was amount produced over amount used, but it sounded like m was already a ratio.  And they were saying the upper limit on the equation was 1, but realistically it's totally possible to produce more food than you eat.

I mean, some of the stuff is technically true; if the gravity of a moon is too low, technically you could construct train tracks around the entire moon, and run the train at fast speeds, and then walk around on the roof of the train.  That sounds prohibitively expensive, though.  Especially since you'd have to manufacture the train tracks in such a way that the entire train doesn't go flying off the moon.  Although, I guess Phobos is small enough that you wouldn't have to go -that- fast (like...140 m/s, so 509 km/h...okay, that's pretty fast, but doable).  But even though the author is technically right here, why wouldn't you just make yourself a centrifuge so that you don't have to go around the entire moon and fight against the existing gravity?

I really wish the author would stop trying to talk about math and science, and spend more time developing the actual characters.  But...eh, I'm only like 100-200 pages in or so; maybe it gets better.

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« Reply #907 on: September 15, 2011, 10:30:27 PM »
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« Reply #908 on: September 16, 2011, 07:00:40 AM »
The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood, by Howard Pyle

To pay off my Kindle, I'm reading several free books first, and this was an old favorite from Jr. High.

Some things worth noting:

EVERYONE in these books is a dick. Everyone. Suffer a minor insult? It's time to fight each other with clubs. Suffer a moderate insult? Maybe you'll use swords. Holy shit, people in the Robin Hood legends will fight each other over almost nothing. It's ridiculous.

Will Scarlet, in modern versions of the story, seems to be more of Robin Hood's good lieutenant, Will Stutely. Stutely is the sneaky, fast-mouthed clever guy that Robin trusts to lead the band when he and Little John are away. He's basically the third man in charge. Media does sort of get it right in making Scarlet handsome, because he's kind of a fop, but they forget the part where foppish Will Scarlet is FREAKISHLY STRONG. As in "I joined Robin Hood's band because I accidentally killed a guy by punching him in the head" strong. Will Scarlet is hardcore.

Maid Marian: May as well not exist. She's not a noble. (For that matter, Robin Hood isn't a fucking Noble, either. Just a Yeoman.) She's some chick that Robin Hood messed around in his youth. That's.... about it, honestly.

Guy of Gisborne: I've seen a couple of things that make this guy look noble, or in love with Marian, or god knows what else. This guy is none of those things. He's not even particularly cleanly. He is a guy that walks around wearing a dead fucking horse. He is a stone-cold killer that is hired to fight Robin Hood, and Robin breaks his stance on killing people because, well, Guy of Gisborne really badly needed killing.

King Richard/King John:
Robin did fight in the crusades with Richard----long after his other adventures. His association with John was really not too much, there's no "I'll restore the rightful king to the throne" bullshit with Robin Hood. Robin does most of his shit while their father, Henry, is on the throne. Henry dies after trying to have Robin Hood killed, Richard comes in, thinks about taking care of Robin himself, meets Robin, thinks "This is a swell guy", pardons him, and invites him to be one of his soldiers. They go to the crusades, Richard eventually dies. John takes the throne, Robin goes back to Sherwood, and then John sends an army after him. The Merry Men kill the shit out of the army and the Sheriff's men, (and the Sheriff---no epic duel there. Arrow into the brain to start the fight.) because Robin is a changed man after the crusades.

Then he gets sick, and goes to get his blood let by his cousin. She doesn't want to be associated with the outlaw, so she bleeds his arteries instead of his veins. He bleeds out and dies. The End.


All in all, I love these stories. Somehow don't think you'll ever see a modern take on Robin Hood that's actually accurate to the legends, though.

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« Reply #909 on: September 16, 2011, 09:32:15 PM »
Finally got around to reading Hunger Games. Just the first book. But I liked it enough I'm getting books 2 and 3 next week.

It's very definitely a YA book. I'm trying to recall book 1 of Harry Potter now, since that series started the whole "adults can read YA too!" thing, but I do think this one was even more firmly YA than that. It's a very, very simple story. It's told from the point-of-view of a young adult. There is romantic tension of a rather clever sort, but it is not prurient or overwhelming - quite appropriate for a YA reader, if maybe even too puritanical. The plot is very straight-forward.

None of this takes away from the enjoyment I got from reading it. It's not going to go down into the annals of literature, I'm sure, but it was plenty enjoyable and I can definitely see why Hollywood's picked it up for a film adaptation. I don't want to call the plot "inventive" because I know the concept has been done before, but it was clever and refreshed enough to be interesting in its own right. The main character is one of my favorites: not always socially perceptive, but a survivor. The environment of the story is a perfect fit for a character of her type, and she really got to show it off.

I'm looking forward to see whether there's any advancement for the character in books 2 and 3, and I'm afraid they'll go the way of Jane Yolen's Pit Dragon Trilogy -- that is, insufferably embroiled in politics. In my opinion, that would absolutely destroy everything that made book 1 work so well. While it's obvious they can't just rehash book 1, I feel like there's plenty of life left in the world, and in the characters, to put them convincingly into a more complex problem. Making politics a primary concern would be extremely out of line with the main character's personality, too.

So we'll see. Can't wait!

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« Reply #910 on: September 21, 2011, 09:14:44 PM »
So, I lied, they absolutely can rehash what made book 1 work! They just happened to do so in a way that felt absolutely natural for the world in which the books take place.

It remains a very YA series. There is no major maturation of material; this isn't suddenly a book about teenagers discovering sex or anything like that. The master stroke of genius from the author is that I can't tell if she lucked out and happened to write a character who would naturally obsess in the details the author likes to write, or if the author is that subtle. For example, Katniss (the main character) is a slums girl who grew up knowing starvation. When she visits the Capitol, the amount of time spent describing food and eating and excess is the amount of time you'd expect a character with that background to spend noticing food. Same with all the material excess.

THAR BE SPOILERS AHEAD, LIKELY!

It does descend into politics, necessarily, but it doesn't turn into Rebel Meetings HQ the way the Pit Dragon series does. THANK GOD. Katniss remains Katniss, and I think the great strength of the series is that she is a genuinely interesting, likable-but-flawed teen who just happens to be pulled into the midst of greater happenings. It's all but blatantly stated in the books themselves, too. They don't suddenly turn a 16-year-old girl into the military leader of their uprising -- because that makes no sense -- but they do exploit what she's become to their movement. There are definite Idiot Ball moments where some other character has to have a complete lapse in brainpower for the ultimate lightbulb to shine over Katniss's head, but that's a hard enough thing to avoid (and it wasn't that overwhelming or out-of-character) that I forgive it in this series.

END OF SPOILERS, PROBABLY

In the end, I would recommend anyone who's a fan of YA pick these books up. It also may be of interest to those who like strong female protagonists, hints of romance that avoid bogging the story down in sexual tension, dystopian futures, and watching/reading about children fighting to the death (ie, if you like Lord of the Flies but thought there was too much serious stuff in the middle of all that delightful child on child violence).

Interested to see how they turn this into a movie. It's got plenty of potential. It's also probably one of the few books I've read where I feel they could do it better in a movie.
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« Reply #911 on: September 26, 2011, 06:16:56 AM »
The books for one of my classes:
Modern Art in the USA
Pollock and After
Abstract Expressionism
Art in Modern Culture
Making the Modern
Art Workers: Radical Practice in the Vietnam War Era
Twentieth Century American Art
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I have to read *all* of these this semester. Ho shit.

Two books I picked up in light of influencing possibly my Master's paper (hopefully related to a potential thesis):
Black Art: A Cultural History
How to See a Work of Art in Total Darkness
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A catalog I found very vital to my African seminar course: Gold in Africa, by Timothy Garrard. Other books related to this tbd, as it is it quite difficult to find solid contemporary published sources on Mali goldsmithing, fulani, etc. But. Yeah.

Very excited about How to See a Work of Art in Total Darkness. Loving Francis Frascina's Art in Modern Culture. I feel an oncoming sensory overload.

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« Reply #912 on: September 26, 2011, 10:50:22 AM »
The Belgariad:  Read all five books in collection format.  I'd classify it as children's literature.  It's a nice coming-of-age story, but not particularly deep.  The characters are all amusing and it was a pleasant read throughout.

The problem with stories centered around prophecies is that, well, you know how they're going to turn out.  There's a distinct lack of suspense throughout.  The author even jokes in the foreword about how it isn't a spoiler to tell you the good guys win.

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« Reply #913 on: September 26, 2011, 10:42:47 PM »
For my book club:

Reality is Broken - Jane McGonnigal

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« Reply #914 on: September 28, 2011, 12:51:29 AM »
I just started Darby English's How to See a Work of Art in Complete Darkness.

My face hurts.

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« Reply #915 on: September 28, 2011, 05:48:57 PM »
I just started Darby English's How to See a Work of Art in Complete Darkness.

My face hurts.

I think maybe we should review how one reads a book. "Apply your eyes" is not literal.
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« Reply #916 on: September 28, 2011, 11:00:57 PM »
If your face hurts that means it wasn't a stroke at least.
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« Reply #917 on: October 05, 2011, 07:32:55 PM »
Been between books. Reading bits and pieces of things, but nothing's really grabbed me yet. Occasionally picking up Terry Pratchett's Feet of Clay, but it's not doing much for me.

Reading Paradise Lost. More specifically, right now, I'm reading the academic introduction. OH MY GOD. Academic writing is terrible. Feeling good about not bothering with graduate school for the moment. I'm much happier reading the literature than the papers about the literature, that's for certain. Also have The Inferno on hand, with facing page originals. I took Italian early in my college career specifically because I wanted to read Dante in the original, so this is nice!

I'll get back to Sherlock Holmes, I swear.
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« Reply #918 on: October 05, 2011, 08:24:02 PM »
So. Been reading in the past three months or so. Lots. Might as well reflect on some...

Mostly I've been reading the Vorkosigan Saga by Lois McMaster Bujold. Through:

Shards of Honor
Barrayar
The Warrior's Apprentice
"The Mountains of Mourning"
The Vor Game
Cetaganda
Ethan of Athos
"Labyrinth"
"The Borders of Infinity"
Brothers in Arms
Mirror Dance

About to start Falling Free, which is a far-flung prequel to the series explaining some backstory. The series is, in a word, excellent. Very good sci-fi. Very FUN sci-fi. While nothing groundbreaking, it is the sort of quality that sets a benchmark to the entire industry. The character work is superb. My favorite of the bunch to this point is still Cetaganda, followed by Barrayar (because Cordelia is bestest Mom ever and a prudent shopaholic). If you like good sci-fi, I HIGHLY recommend picking up the first omnibus (Cordelia's Honor) and going from there. I have most of the rest, but not everything is contained in the omnibus editions so I'm waiting on the holes I need to patch ;-; It is a painful, painful wait.

Early on in my devouring of books (mostly inspired by Borders closing...) I picked up Simon Morden's Metrozone trilogy. Sci-fi, post-apoc pulp, but yummy pulp none-the-less. Just very fun. The main character is almos too perfect though. If he didn't suffer heart attacks every five feet and lose body-parts more often than a leper, he'd be nigh-unstoppable. But I guess thats what makes it fun. Fairly solid resolution, if actually sort of sad. I will admit though that what first drew me to it were the fairly groovy optical illusions it uses for covers.

Same deal is Jack Campbell's 6 book Lost Fleet series. More pulp, of a different sort. The space combat here is very thoughtfully executed here. I honestly consider it the most "realistic" I've ever seen it implemented, akin to what Battletech does for mecha. The most important thing is accounted for: Relativity, which makes for a very different take on tactics and strategy for space combat and puts it in stark contrast to Star Wars and even the more reasonable ones I've read/seen like Elizabeth Moon. The story/characters were okay at first until I realized that aspect of the books were incredibly formulaic. The one nicely implemented bit is eventually subsumed for something more predictable, but still a decent read.

More recently, I started up Dresden Files. Through the first two (Storm Front and Fool Moon). Good stuff, can see why people like it. Chomping at the bit to read more but it's not Vorkosigan level where I can justify getting more while still having such a huge pile of books to read. Andy is totally right. Dresden is such a Sopko character...

Rounding out what I've been reading is Ann Aguirre's Grimspace series. Through the first two of four I have. Fairly well executed first-person sci-fi. The main character is borderline neurotic, but ever so much fun. The main problem with the series is the breakneck pacing, which I honestly think holds it back. The first-person perspective helps internalize events well enough and keeps it from totally failing, but if a third-person book tried it it'd be incoherant. Maybe I just like slow, plodding stuff... still glad I picked up as much as I could. Also picked up a Dresden-type setting series by the same author, so looking forward to that as well.

Also got the first volume of Incorruptable. It is as Grefter said, good stuff.

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« Reply #919 on: October 14, 2011, 12:44:42 PM »
The Belgariad is excellent, but the mythos behind it is a bit to clunky for me to call it Children's lit. I'd say it more than holds its own as adult Fantasy, given that most of the genre is really abominably bad and it's rather charming.

Lessee...

The Rampage of Haruhi Suzumiya:
Finally a book in the series that covers events that I have not yet seen in the anime, albeit only for the last "third" of the book. Rampage is excellent, but it and Disappearance are where, I feel, you can definitely see how much more the author seems to love Nagato more than the titular character or perhaps even Kyon. Which is good on one hand, because Nagato is an excellent character, and bad on another hand, because she doesn't have the RIGHT STUFF to be a main character. It's also bad because we need more Koizumi. Koizumi is wonderful, and him and Asahina have kind of been tossed to the side over the last four stories/two books.

The Three Musketeers
Sort of scatterbrained, actually. A book that jumps all over the place between chaotic humor and one or two truly horrific scenes. It's a very human story at its core, which is why I feel like it has endured to be a classic. And hey, it's based on a story that's based on a true story! So maybe in all of thi---oh, who are we kidding.
It's an excellent read, by the way. It's long and in some parts dry, but not so much that you aren't compelled to finish. It's nice because the main villain is truly odious and unlikable, but at the same time, doesn't harbor a specific or ground-breaking goal. She's just a very nasty person that continually crosses people and eventually goes too far. Some very solid villain work.

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« Reply #920 on: October 18, 2011, 02:06:48 AM »
I finished Steven Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen series a while back and was recently reminded in chat that I never got to rambling about it here as I meant to. So let's get on with that.

Erikson is the most frustrating author I've read in years. He's capable of being a great writer, but often forgets this. He is addicted to glaring bad habits like few prominent writers I've encountered. However, there is some great material in this series and it is at the least worth checking out the first book or two to see if anything clicks. I was personally underwhelmed with the technical merits of his writing in the first couple books (see below) and as a result found the middle entries of the series more satisfying, but the introductory volumes are enough to get a sense of what he's about. Book two has some fairly brutal audience gutpunches, so if even the Chain of Dogs isn't getting to you, you probably don't need to continue.

Let's start with the cons, since I'm a negative kinda guy and that's easier for me. There'll be some spoilers herein, but if I don't bother to put something in small font, it's either information the books are very up-front about, or it concerns people and events that no sane person could like anyway.

-First couple books really do feel like journeyman work. Much of the approach to internal action in the first volume is to flat-out describe how someone feels. I find this approach dry and lazy. He gets much better about this in time, instead focusing on mental monologues to capture internal movement. As someone who spends a great deal of time engaged in rambling internal monologues, I find this a fine approach to characterization. But internal development was fairly lacking at first due to the way it was presented, and this made it tough for me to latch onto many of the initial characters.

-Rampant abuse of pointless apostrophes in names. This is kind of a personal pet peeve when it comes to fantasy writing. Names sometimes feel as much an awkward keyboard mash as you might find in the Star Wars EU. And there are a lot of names, as Erikson seems bent on outdoing Jordan/Martin for Loads and Loads of Characters madness.

-Bloat. This is really the main strike against him. It's a liability with any longrunning fantasy series, but I feel like a great deal of it could've been avoided here since, for once, this fantasy writer knew exactly where everything was going from the start (although that may have been the problem--we'll come back to this). The later in the series we get, the more editorial freedom he must have had, because the last books are chock full of unnecessary asides that ramble on and on without adding constructively to the plot or even focusing on characters worth caring about. Book eight is the embodiment of this problem and I feel certain he must have fired his editor before working on it.

-As an extension of the above, structure and focus. The Malazan books don't have a consistent, central POV. This is fine, really. Plenty of books jump around between perspectives, we're all used to it, and there's a certain amount of merit in doing so, especially in a setting this expansive. The problem is that Erikson rarely notices any barrier between what we need to see and what is superfluous. He has a bad habit of throwing in random asides from one-off characters we'll never see again, goons who we immediately realize are only there to get killed by the important character who's about to make an appearance, diving into sub-plots that don't add appreciatively to the overall narrative and only serve to hammer home themes long since made manifest many times over...

Why is this such a problem? Because the first two-hundred and fifty pages of book four are seen purely through the eyes of a single character, and it's a blazing spectacle of psychological damage that the series never quite reproduces. We see that this is what he can do when he sits down and focuses on a single thread, so we wonder, why doesn't he do it more often? Books eight and nine are particularly bad about their needless diversions. Book nine has about three hundred pages dedicated to a meandering army of uniformly unlikable barbarians who ultimately just get killed off--without impacting the plot in any way--by a character we've been waiting to see the entire book. Book eight is a needless diversion in its totality.

-Although I'm certain Erikson knew where the story as a whole was going from the get-go, there are plenty of events that seem to come out of nowhere in ways that are more headscratchingly random than they are shocking surprises. Reality is Unrealistic may aptly be cited here, yes, but we expect a certain amount of reliable, narrative flow in novels. Instead, sometimes things just crash the party and happen whether it is useful to the story or not. This is very much an Anyone Can Die series, which isn't always to the benefit of the overall narrative.

All of the above made it sometimes difficult for me to keep a handle on the material when it would surprise me by suddenly doing something praiseworthy. He does improve technically as a writer as time goes on--dialogue gets sharper, description more colorful and efficient. But there is an undisciplined feel to the work as a whole that never quite goes away.

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The primary upside to all this is: A) worldbuilding; B) 'tis no man, 'tis a remorseless writing machine, pumping out a mammoth fantasy novel on almost a yearly basis (alongside spin-offs!) and actually finishing his epic in the predicted number of volumes, for which I give him a great deal of credit; C) there's a lot of great character work on display when he chooses to focus on the more intriguing characters around. This doesn't always turn out to be where you expect it be, either. Erikson isn't really a man concerned with shocking twists, although I suppose there are a few present in these books, but he can prove very good at subverting expectations. This world is full of contradictions, sometimes even with the author's obvious personal views (although he's not immune to the dreaded Author Tract), and a stronger construction for it.

This is the only series I can think of where The Empire is, if not quite heroic, then easily still the most admirable society in the world. By the time we encounter it it's rusting under the stewardship of an upstart empress with a Stalinesque paranoia and love of purges, and starting to crumble from political intrigue, but it's plain that it has (even if sometimes through violent methods) brought a level of peace, security, and prosperity to its subject holdings that few of them experienced while they remained bickering, provincial principalities. This isn't a point that's hammered home with force; we see outside cities and compare for ourselves. None of this is the standard tack for epic fantasy to take. The Malazan army is a curiously democratic organization wherein incompetent officers, or those appointed solely by virtue of noble birth (largely overlapping categories there) are generally ignored, circumvented, or occasionally disappeared; it was founded with the express purpose of being a meritocratic enterprise where race/gender/religion matter not and personal skill dictates one's success.

A large portion of our central characters hail from marine detachments of this organization. (Indeed, if there is one message to draw from these books, it is to never mess with a marine. Even if you're a god. Especially if you're a god.) They spend a great deal of time in the first half of the series at war, subduing recalcitrant city-states. Throughout this, one somehow never gets the impression that Erikson is making an effort to either glorify or demonize imperialism (although the latter does happen, in other circumstances...we'll come back to this); for most of the soldiers involved, it's their means of earning a living, and he's very straightforward about presenting it in that manner. In time, Erikson becomes exceptionally good at developing a sense of camaraderie between them, such that by the final volume I was more entertained by their collective bitching than by the central plot.

He has a nasty habit of taking something that on the surface we should wholly object to and somehow making it an object of sympathy. The first thing we learn about Karsa Orlong is that he hails from a backwater where intertribal murder, rape, and genocide are everyday events; the first thing we learn about Adjunct Tavore is that she sold her sister into slavery for political gain; the first thing we learn about Cotillion is that he's the patron god of assassins. Ultimately these prove to be some of the most humane and empathetic characters in the world (in varying proportions of such, and sometimes in perverse ways, but I don't think their intentions can be denied by the end). It takes a special kind of writer to do something like this. He is capable of producing brilliant character work when he sets his mind to it.

The presence of a deity in the cast may be noted in the above paragraph. Gods plainly exist in the world of Malaz, and regularly make direct interference in mortal affairs. They don't always call themselves gods, but there's a multitude of beings as good as such floating at the edges of the world and the sliding scale of individual power ramps up to some pretty extreme heights. Yet we spend at least as much time focusing on the daily travails of army grunts. So is it high fantasy or low fantasy? Erikson aims for both. Personally I feel he succeeds more at the latter. His worldview is much more suited to it. These books are frequently stories of graphic brutality, but I can't say Erikson ever seems to rejoice in the violence. Certainly plenty of characters internally lament how commonplace it is and how casually people accept it. I like that there are quieter ways of reinforcing this, however: there are a great many individuals of immense power loose in the world, but hardly anyone to whom I would attach the label of stereotypical Badass. Great power more often comes with a kind of stoic persistence. In the world of Malaz, braggarts die young.

If I had to make a gamble as to Erikson's personal outlook, it would be that of an old-fashioned secular humanist, observing great potential in humanity while regularly being disappointed with it but insisting on celebrating the small victories, and detached from organized belief structures. Indeed, he seems to find ideology self-congratulatory and inherently suspect (in the above regard we share headspace). There is a discussion midway through the series between a man and an eldritch being of extreme age, concerning the state of the world and whether there is such a thing as an ideal society. The latter entity concludes the conversation with (paraphrased): "Would it offend you terribly to hear that humans aren't the answer? Don't worry, though--no one else has been, either."

As book five is an extended deconstruction of an overseas empire with an active worship of material acquisition and practical enslavement of the indebted, it can also be safely assumed that Erikson is not greatly enamored of modern capitalist society. This is where Author Tract rears its ugly head: one of the central characters of this book is a financial genius who decides the system he lives in is too corrupt to be worth supporting any longer, and sets to engineering its economic collapse. He's the primary candidate for author mouthpiece, and this should really be a problem...and it would be if he weren't so goddamn hilarious. There is no character trope Erikson loves more than Obfuscating Stupidity, and it is played to perfection here as Tehol wanders about town in a blanket, sleeps on his roof, chases chickens, has witty/inane conversations with an elder god pretending to be his manservant, and generally carries on a lively Marx brothers act while merrily using the greed of financiers as a weapon against them behind the scenes. On principle, I find the active insertion of author politics of deleterious effect to a work of fiction, but it is difficult to object when the perpetrator is so thoroughly charming.

(The above is contrasted with an alien culture collapsing in on itself from ossification of ritual and tradition. The two nations eventually go to war, and I actually quite like how this played out, so to spoiler tags we go: The expansionist Empire of Lether engages in a war of acquisition against its less sophisticated neighbor, and ultimately succeeds...by losing and being conquered in return. In a move that demonstrates to me that Erikson knows his history better than many fantasy writers do, the occupying forces are subverted by being invited into the existing social system, Lether's new "masters" ultimately drowning in unaccustomed luxuries until they've become addled figureheads and life goes on as it was. This kind of development has happened more than once in real life and it pleases me to see it in a work of fantasy.

Erikson's an anthropologist by training, and it informs the whole of his work. Although his personal preferences are clear, he seems to actually understand how societies work and rarely shies away from the uglier details. There is an obvious sympathy for primitive tribal cultures that would make his professional background apparent just from how much time we spend with such people and the care and detail applied to the circumstances of their lives. However, it would be greatly inaccurate to assume any kind of juvenile, Avatar-like reverence for living close to nature. Although he possesses a clear skepticism about whether the material benefits of civilization sufficiently outweigh its more heinous innovations such as slavery, social stratification, economic inequality and gender subjugation, we get far more illustrations than we could actually want to see that primitive peoples are just as capable of casual brutality. Advocating a retreat form modernity as a cure for the modern world's ills does not occur; individual characters might seem to be of this opinion, but it's clear that anyone trying to do so is doomed.

I will give Erikson that much credit: he doesn't really play favorites, and no one is held up as embodying a perfect and ideal way of life. Human beings are made of flaws. Although the adversaries in the final volume are barely known to us beforehand, I suppose they ably represent the forces that Malaz's antagonists always had in some stock: dogmatic thinking, extremism, an emphasis on ideals or acquisitiveness over individual lives. These seem to be the real enemies.

I assume Erikson is also a geologist by inclination, both from the care demonstrated in descriptions of natural structures and from the way he uses this to demonstrate the history of the world. He has a very firm grasp of Deep Time that contributes greatly towards making this feel like lived-in world with an extensive life for which humanity is but a recent affectation.

The other primary element behind the world's construction is, I believe, also what led to the series's glaring structural flaws: it was developed as part of a game with co-creator Ian Esselmont (who has also written novels in the same world) during the eighties. Although thematically the series doesn't pursue the traditional heroic goals of P&P RPG, the trappings of such are everywhere apparent: multitude of strange races with ancient histories, extensive pantheon of grasping deities, alien dimensions a-plenty waiting just next door (we don't spend a great deal of time gallivanting through other worlds in these books, but they do exist), consistently-implemented magic system...So ultimately what we have here is a recreation of someone's killer gaming campaign. This doesn't inherently bother me, I suppose. But the net result is that Erikson had the plot of these books so thoroughly mapped in advance because, well, they'd already happened, and I theorize that ultimately most of the books' problems with plot and pacing are there because of this. Whether through stubbornness or lack of consideration that novel format might require significant changes in storytelling, I don't know, but I think most of the structural flaws can be traced to the fact that Erikson was essentially echoing what was, to him, an old story.

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So yeah, it was an interesting read, sometimes even when it failed. I have some significant issues with the series, but I don't regret reading it or anything. Erikson would be a crackerjack writer if he could just clean up his plotting and ease back on the Author Voice.

Favorite character: pretty easily Tavore. Stoic lesbian general = oh my god can you guys spell Cid-bait?

Honorable mention to Karsa for wildly turning around expectations (from his introduction, I was sure I would hate him forever).

Most Improved Odor award: Ganoes, for starting out a really bland milquetoast and ending his run by bitchslapping gods left and right without losing humanity or humility. Damn, man.

Jean Grey award for revolving-door resurrection/butt monkey of the universe goes to Toc the Younger (did I mention Erikson has trouble letting important characters stay dead?)

Best book? I enjoyed the middle portion of the series most because the writing had picked up by then and the bloat hadn't yet overwhelmed. I'll say The Bonehunters because that's where the 14th army got together and they are the source of all fun in the latter half of the series. Worst book is easily Toll the Hounds, in which the only promising plot element turns out to be Zeromus, and the otherwise endearing Kruppe (the definition of "entertaining in small doses") is ruined by being given narration duties.

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« Reply #921 on: October 18, 2011, 05:16:32 AM »
Hmm, I remember book 8 not being horrible (At least, I'll auto rate anything over the first three books, which I found to be systematic messes), although...I don't remember much at all (And I found the Tiste Andii (?) offspring grouping to be a really interesting read). Flip side was that I didn't mind him meandering much (And yes, Kruppe can easily get annoying, but half the characters in the book seem to speak in similar- if unaccented- banter).
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« Reply #922 on: October 18, 2011, 08:36:53 PM »
The Andii kids were alright. More interesting than any of the other sub-groups floating around in that book, which is why I was so annoyed that Clip turned out to be possessed by a fragment of some dead character from the first book and maybe a piece of a god or something and fuck man I don't even know anymore, and Rake wasn't even home when he got where he was going! There was Karsa/Samar banter, which is always fine. Other than that, there was virtually nothing about the book that I enjoyed. Envy and Spite seemed fun in their previous appearances but they show up here seemingly just to be tremendous bitches at the end of the book.

Basically I didn't need to see Darujhistan again, much less right before gearing up for the grand finale which takes place on a completely different continent.

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« Reply #923 on: October 19, 2011, 05:31:33 AM »
There was Karsa/Samar banter, which is always fine.

There is always banter! Because he made half of the characters snarky. That said, I literally remember nothing else that happens in that book, which confirms how badly off track he goes. I think he's the only author where I completely forget about a large number of characters unless their reintroduction.
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« Reply #924 on: November 09, 2011, 04:03:55 AM »
How to Live Safely in a Science Fictional Universe by Charles Yu:  It is a book for people who enjoy physics, regret, and nonexistant dogs named Ed.

Also, after years of bitching about it, my wife read the first Twilight book.  She finished at 4:00 am.  Bwahaha, another mindless thrall is created.