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« Reply #1075 on: January 11, 2013, 02:17:41 AM »
I bought A Memory of Light today and I've already read the entire book jacket.

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« Reply #1076 on: January 14, 2013, 12:25:25 AM »
A Memory of Light - Finished! I doubt I'll ever think of it as one of the truly great books in the series (it's a bit hectic and not particularly character-driven) but it was still engrossing to read and a fitting end.

Still sorting out lots of thoughts.

Specific stuff I liked:
-Rand and the Dark One's war of worlds. The books have had some great scenes of this ilk before and the ones used here were very fitting.
-Androl and Pevara's stuff in general. A bit more character-focused than most of the book, and it was fun/tense in general.
-The Shadow's plot to mindfuck with all of the Light's generals was pretty damn effective and probably the most oh-shit moment of the book. The war seemed to go well at first and then derailed entirely because of this, along with the entrance of the Sharans. Less certain what I think of them... yeah, they're hinted, but still feel like a bit of an evil equivalent of the deus ex machina.
-Egwene is still in badass mode.


Overall I'm happy with it, lots of stuff wraps up in a fitting way, lots of characters get moments to shine. I'll need to re-read it again at some point when I'm less rushed to see how it all ends, probably.

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« Reply #1077 on: January 14, 2013, 06:53:16 AM »
A Memory of Light:  finished.  It was Good (TM).

Androl is my new favorite character.  Egwene was good also.

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« Reply #1078 on: January 14, 2013, 07:08:50 AM »
Really?  I was expecting like just first name or last name at least.
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« Reply #1079 on: January 14, 2013, 12:49:07 PM »
Bitch ain't you heard bro got his name changed.  His first name is now Super, his last name is Aielman.  His middle name? Disappointment.

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« Reply #1080 on: January 14, 2013, 04:03:25 PM »
I am rather amused that after all these years, Super makes it into the books as... an aielman. How prophetic.

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« Reply #1081 on: January 14, 2013, 04:45:27 PM »
I guess Sanderson couldn't resist the pun? Kinda hilarious to know that there is a gag in WoT that only a few dozen people will get.
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« Reply #1082 on: January 14, 2013, 09:57:18 PM »
I guess Sanderson couldn't resist the pun? Kinda hilarious to know that there is a gag in WoT that only a few dozen people will get.

Nah, it's just my last name in the book. Even better: I am the Aiel version of a cop.
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« Reply #1083 on: January 17, 2013, 02:54:52 PM »
Finished the Mistborn trilogy. Everything comes full-circle pretty nicely (if a bit too neatly and with a lot of "that previous event was just part of $ENTITY's plan!"). Looking forward to Alloy of Law.

Also read Hunger Games, which has a fun (if totally absurd) setup but ends up as what you get when you remove all the moral quandaries and other such unpleasantness from Battle Royale. So, kinda pointless.
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« Reply #1084 on: January 18, 2013, 08:08:51 AM »
A Memory of Light- Poetic rendition of the best moment in the book.


<Egewene> Damn you!
<M'Hael> Why do you hate me so?  Simply because I killed that human?  Oh well.  Now is your chance to fight me!  Perhaps then you shall feel at peace.
<Egwene> I will not fail!
<M'Hael> You have already failed!  Yes, use all the power for yourself!  Try to protect the others and you will only guarantee your own death!
<Egwene> This power... it is from all of you!
<M'Hael> The power of creation!?  This cannot be!
<Egwene> Yes!  Now I have total power!
<M'Hael> What is the power of creation?  I have but to crush you and the world will come to an end!  *Balefire*
<Egwene> Impossible!  Now I have the power to defend all!!  *Flame of Tar Valon*

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« Reply #1085 on: January 19, 2013, 12:31:09 AM »
That works shockingly well.

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« Reply #1086 on: January 19, 2013, 03:41:04 AM »
Anyway, more scattered thoughts.


- Demandred.  So after 13 books the dude shows up for real and... actually seriously pays off the wait.  It's the first time a Forsaken shows up and no, we're not winning this with a lucky balefire or because he's underestimating us or because of Forsaken politics.  He's here to kick ass int he name of evil and unless we take drastic measures he's damn well going to win.  It's impressive, I honestly kinda expected him to show up and be chumped in favor of Moridin or M'Hael's asha'men.
- Yay world's that might be.
- Bringing back Lanfear as much as they did was an unexpected treat.  She didn't do a whole lot but it's nice her role in the last battle was so in character.
- Tiny thing, but I can't remember if we'd ever had the wolf name of Graendal before but I really like it.
- That said having Slayer as such a major force during the Last freaking Battle was odd.  The payoff isn't bad but still, not a character I'd have expected this late in the game.
- Meanwhile Padan Fain was completely punked.  I'm not sure what the point of him was with the way this was wrapped up, leading me to wonder if Sanderson didn't really have any notes on the matter and just had to figure something out.
- The Black Tower arc.  I like the idea of it but the pacing everythign for maximum suspense presentation of it wore me down a bit.
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« Reply #1087 on: January 19, 2013, 04:32:15 AM »
Hmm.

-Demandred gets taken out by something way less impressive than "random balefire" so I'm not sure I agree. I found him more comical than impressive, though his army is of course no joke. The way he prattles on about Lews Therin before inevitably being killed without Rand/Lews ever giving two fucks highlights how pathetic he is. At least it took a sa'angreal and a previously unknown balefire counter to down Taim, while Lanfear felt like her gambit came closer than any other forsaken's to winning things, and Graendal was deviously effective. Moghedien was useless but what else is new?
-Slayer's role in 14 felt kinda irrelevant to me (he felt there to give Perrin something to do), still wish he'd died earlier although I did like his one PoV, suitably creepy look at a Dark One-ran place. Of course it's still more relevant than Padan Fain, yeah. I'm not sure if Padan Fain was intended to be the ultimate red herring or if your theory is correct. When the dust settles the last relevant thing he did was in book 9.
-Moiraine is probably the thing that bugs me most about the book as far as "endgame relevance" goes. She was brought back for... what exactly?

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« Reply #1088 on: January 19, 2013, 05:17:35 AM »
Oh, yeah.  He's a joke as a character.  But he's the first Forsaken since Lanfear took out Moiraine in book 5 where it seemed like, no, the heroes are completely fucked.  And yeah, that really is more his showing up with the Sharan, not his own feats, but it's worth noting that for all the treachery of Taim or the machinations of Graendal or Mesaama hurt the Light, he's the guy that shows up in a battle, forms a full circle, and basically wipes out half the Aes Sedai in a single attack.

I guess a better way to put it might be, while Demandred himself isn't as interesting or threatening as some other Forsaken (and hell, even in Memory of Light, Lanfear manages to swoop in and come a hair's breadth from winning it for the Dark One), his use in the Last Battle felt like it actually payed off having him almost entirely off screen, unknown, for the entire series.
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« Reply #1089 on: January 19, 2013, 06:10:31 AM »
Oh, I do agree with that, yes.

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« Reply #1090 on: January 19, 2013, 06:41:09 AM »
I'm of the opinion that bringing Moiraine back is nothing but fan wish fulfillment.  Her "death" is one of the major turning points in the series and having her return cheapens it terribly.

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« Reply #1091 on: January 19, 2013, 06:44:19 AM »
I agree with that, too, although for what it's worth there's a lot to suggest her return was planned all along. However I guess Jordan didn't leave many notes about her role post-return, nor did Sanderson add much.

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« Reply #1092 on: January 19, 2013, 08:42:18 AM »
I don't know why none of you are mentioning the ginormous amount of cock that awaits Rand in the afterlife.  Dude is going to need to strap a bucket over his butt because his bowels aren't going to function properly for long
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« Reply #1093 on: January 20, 2013, 06:15:31 AM »
Re: Captain's point:

I don't think it was fanservice. For better or worse, it was something that had been planned out before Moiraine even vanished off camera.  It could have worked if Jordan was alive, but Sanderson got left the short end of the stick.

There are so many small mistakes in tone and characters (IE: Dem thinking that Lan was Asmodean; Asmodean was a terrible swordsman. The awkward way Elayne asks about rebonding Birgdette,etc). Sanderson is a brilliant author but he was given an impossible task here.  Moliraine... ugh. yeah,  That has to be lack of notes. She had to come back for a more important reason than what she was given. I don't think her filling the circle is valid enough, thanks to Rand getting over his trust issues.

Fain is more of a victim of how large the books got.


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« Reply #1094 on: February 04, 2013, 01:31:25 AM »
The Awakened Mage - Definitely the weaker of the two books other than the large amount of supervillain POV. Ah, the restrictions of possession, always amusing.

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« Reply #1095 on: February 05, 2013, 08:37:48 AM »
A Memory of Light- Finished. Book took a while to come together for me. The 4 front thing got a bit repetitive early because some of the stories were too similar (Elayne's battle is going okay, then a stealth army comes and they have to run away. Egwene's battle is going okay then a stealth army comes and they have to run away).

Around the middle things started to pick up (not surprisingly when characters seemed to at least come into the same vicinity, which is a big flaw of the back half of the series in general). Generally pleased overall with how things turned out. Probably in the middle of the series overall. Too bad that it was not really able to hit any of the amazing of "The Gathering Storm"

General Thoughts on a few characters (This is not to say that these characters were even the ones that stood out the most)
Demandred- Just not personally scary, but he was effective in what he had been doing for 14 or so books.
Dress Descriptions- Not a single one, I think. Also, no woman sniffed.
Graendal- Combined with Demandred to actually have Forsaken be scary for once. Pretty awesome plan she had going (and also made that 4 way story split). At one point in the story she seem ubiquitous.
Min- Got more interesting things to do after an eternity being useless. Probably one of the more interesting sets in terms of interaction for the book.
Moiraine- Don't think bringing her back was fanservice (been hinted at the whole time). I hope Jordan's notes just said "RAFO" because he did not really have a plan
Moggy- Ending felt a bit unsatisfying if only because Elaida and Liandrin already both had the same ending. Otherwise she was mostly a non-entity, but that was her style. Spent a chunk of the book wondering what exactly she was doing.
Rand- Already generally covered. The general plot thread was a nice callback. Decent enough for "final battle" of a fantasy book, which is generally the hardest part to write (especially so with so much build-up). Did not stand out enough to be anything above good though. Use of Callandor felt more Sanderson like than Jordan like.
Taim (and the Black Tower in general)- Taim ended up being very unscary in this book himself (Similar to Demandred, he was effective in what he had been doing for the last several books, but not as scary in person). Black Tower arc was probably the highlight (character development, actual element of things going wrong felt truly present) although it wrapped up very quickly. Felt like it climaxed a bit quickly.

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« Reply #1096 on: February 05, 2013, 03:48:40 PM »
Callandor: I think I disagree there. Sanderson wrote that bit, but the actual implementation fits what Jordan had hinted at since like book three.
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« Reply #1097 on: February 06, 2013, 09:00:58 AM »
The Awakened Mage - Definitely the weaker of the two books other than the large amount of supervillain POV. Ah, the restrictions of possession, always amusing.

Gonna start AMOL next~

I think I like Miller's other series better. How did you stumble upon these books (kind of obsure, I think)?

Oh, not saying that Sanderson came up with that part (don't really think he came up with much himself), just that it really felt like it could have been his.
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« Reply #1098 on: March 18, 2013, 07:01:28 PM »
Been reading a lot lately. Well, three re-reads and one new book, specifically.

Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone - It's certainly a page-turner which is a bit of an accomplishment for a book which is obviously aimed at a much younger reader than I am. I'd say that someone should study these books and figure out what quality they have makes them so good at grabbing hold of a reader, but I'm sure it's been done given the books' stature. They lose a little knowing the key mystery but still fun.

Nineteen Eighty-Four - I haven't read this book since I'm in high school which is terrible since I would consider it easily one of my favourite books of all time. Anyway, no shock to anyone here, the book is still wonderful. The description of Oceania's tyranny, propaganda, and philosophy remains truly frightening. I love how even the dusty, gritty details of the setting which at first appear to be nothing more than there for mood are in fact an essential part of how The Party operates. I also really like how the book avoids going the cliched resistance-fighter route and instead turns the tale into a look at The Party's handiwork firsthand. I have lots of love for most things in the novel, but my favourite is probably the sequence with O'Brien in Part 3. "Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to became sane." Chills, man.

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - When I first read this book it put me off the series and I never read past this one. I actually liked it a bit better this time though. It's still significantly worse than the first, the opening is still terrible (the Dursleys worked as a fairytale-level exaggerated rotten family once, we didn't need to start a second book with them), and Tom Riddle, aka the interesting thing about the book, needed to appear more than twice. But maybe because I went in with lower expectations I was able to get past the weak parts and by the end it had adopted that page-turner thing the first had, so this time I have the momentum to go further.

City of Dragons - Third book in Hobb's Rain Wilds series. Fun fact, I actually thought the series was a trilogy, because all of Hobb's recent works were. It was only when I got to around a hundred pages left and I thought "wow, there is no WAY this is getting finished by then" that I actually glanced at the start of the book and noticed that it was called "Rain Wilds Chronicles" instead of "___ Trilogy" like all the rest. So yeah, it is four books apparently. Anyway, I continue to like these books, even though they're a bit different in terms of storytelling than most. There's a lot more emphasis on small-scale interactions and characters' internal struggles. Most of the "big" conflicts which usually dominate fantasy are resolved shockingly quickly (e.g. Malta is kidnapped by bad guys, but resolves the situation over the space of a few pages). I was a bit leery about the book since it felt like most of the key conflicts had been resolved by the end of the second but there's enough left, and the big overarching problem comes to the fore a bit more in this book (some good scenes there). Also one of my favourite characters from the Liveship Trilogy returns in this one, yay.

Next up is Prisoner of Azkaban; I'm intending to alternate Harry Potter (which I've been meaning to read for years) and other stuff for the next few months.

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« Reply #1099 on: March 18, 2013, 07:53:49 PM »
The Awakened Mage - Definitely the weaker of the two books other than the large amount of supervillain POV. Ah, the restrictions of possession, always amusing.

Gonna start AMOL next~

I think I like Miller's other series better. How did you stumble upon these books (kind of obsure, I think)?

Oh, not saying that Sanderson came up with that part (don't really think he came up with much himself), just that it really felt like it could have been his.

Sorry, missed this! I just was at a fantasy novel bookstore and saw the books and read the cover and grabbed them. I actually have Empress right now but been too busy with thesis writing to read it. I wanted to finish Wheel of Time first and that hasn't even happened yet.
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