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« Reply #1125 on: May 01, 2013, 09:09:50 PM »
More a similar plot element.  Uther Doul has the "might" sword which enables him to strike everywhere he "might" strike, but that seems to be the lesser weapon in his arsenal.  It's not 100% clear because all we have are Bellis's suspicions, but she clearly thinks that Doul runs the entire of the plot of the book with his possibility-modifying musical instrument - an organ, was it?  Anyway, he's manipulating everything that he wants to happen to happen, and sometimes apparently even mixing in a dash of alternate realities into this one, such as with the "survivor" who returns from the Scar.  BlazBlue:CT is a little different, as clearly there's a time loop constantly going on with only Rachel being aware of this fact, but the end result is similar - at the start of the game, there are 30 different ways that the plot CAN proceed, but with enough prodding from the sidelines (Rachel?  Hazama?  Noel???) and subtle shifts in possibility, they eventually get Ragna to not screw up and jump into the time loop cauldron.  They pick the strand of possibility that they want from lots of options, pretty much, roughly similar to Doul.

The parallel with the other game is far more direct - it's basically a variant of Doul's power mixed with specific future sight - but spoilers.  You know the game if you've played it and if you haven't then I can't really say, because it's the final plot twist in the game.

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« Reply #1126 on: May 01, 2013, 09:39:45 PM »
In which case I believe I played it quite recently! So yeah.

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« Reply #1127 on: May 04, 2013, 02:16:02 PM »
Furies of Cauledron: About 75% of the way through. Not sure what to think of it yet. I will say that Fidelias is a highly effective villain. Bernard's spiel about him in the jail cell was dead on.
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« Reply #1128 on: May 24, 2013, 07:50:54 AM »
The Handmaid's Tale - Not sure how much awareness this novel has outside Canada, here it's one of our big novels and I'd never read it, so sure. Anyway it's quite good. Very, very reminiscent of 1984; it is a chilling portrayal of a near-future dystopia except with a different focus on sex and gender which is good stuff. Grefter you should read this if you haven't. I don't have many more specific comments on characters or writing; I don't think the book quite succeeds as making you feel its world as 1984 but on the other hand it's a sight more realistic and still highly highly relevant as I'm pretty sure this is the dream society of some hardcore social conservatives. Squick.


Maus - Graphic novel about the holocaust with the key races drawn as anthropomorphised animals. I actually owned this years ago but I couldn't get into it because I found the animal gimmick a bit offputting (Nazis = cats also hits a bit of a sore spot for me!), and to be perfectly honest, I still do a bit, not really sold on the artistic value of the decision. That said otherwise it is extremely effective. I'm not a big fan of the graphic novel format in general but this is a story that makes, at points, extremely good use of the imagery when describing one of the great horrors of the 20th century through the eyes of a survivor. Beyond that, I dunno, it's just a well-told tale.


Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix -
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince -
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Y'know I'll just talk about these three as a group, although there are some major differences. Spoilers for the whole series in the spoiler text; only really big stuff though so if you are super-spoiler allergic don't read at all.


Order of the Phoenix is the best of the three (best of the seven?) overall most likely. The Ministry in general and Dolores Umbridge in particular are just so baaaad in this book, it's great. Also I loved Voldemort using his shared consciousness to manipulate Harry, that was wonderful. Kinda saw it coming but it's still a good plot twist since it's nice to see our golden boy be horribly wrong about things now and then! The climactic battle itself is kinda weak but that's my only really strong complaint about the book.

Half-Blood Prince... mm. So now the shit has really hit the fan. This book is a fair deal of endgame setup but it has some good stuff in isolation. I liked Slughorn well enough, this is his book and he is pretty good, I think he does a pretty good job of a flawed but ultimately sympathetic character (sad how this is probably the most worthwhile a Slytherin is portrayed in the entire damn series with one possible exception). Both sequences involving the luck potion where actually quite good if for different reasons. The half-blood prince stuff itself feels... I dunno... kinda irrelevant? Like you could strip out the entire plot involving that book (edit: that is, the potions book) and it wouldn't change much; it doesn't even shed that much light on "the prince" him/herself.

Deathly Hallows - Good start, oh god oh god we're screwed. And then... a lot of boring stuff. Interminable camping trips with Ron/Hermione drama and when stuff happens it often seems to happen for little reason (points for actually learning why the doe sequence happens when it does). It's like Rowling said "uh not sure how to segue to the next plot arc here, oh we'll just have Harry say ____ for no reason", as one example. Then stuff starts happening and it's pretty good. Then spoiler time for the rest.
So I got to the bit where Voldemort kills Snape and I wanted to throw the book across the room. Snape always threatened to be the series' best character but in book 6 we see him being all Death Eatery and then he gets his ironic death courtesy of Voldemort and I just wanted to puke at the waste of it all. And then immediately after that we get the best damn plot twist in the series, I had THOUGHT Snape as death eater had a few too many holes in it but Rowling had actually convinced me she'd changed her mind about the character or something like that. Very deftly done. Prince's Tale is possibly my favourite chapter in the series, so much slides into place and while you can never call Snape a wonderful person (he's a bit too creepy and he is an appalling teacher) he does end up indeed as a pretty great character.
Anyway the last third of the book or so is pretty solid, we get a suitably conclusive showdown. The deathly hallows felt like a bit of a red herring if not a total one, which makes some of the book's middle chapters even more of a waste but otherwise there's a fair bit to like here.

So yeah. Good overall series, has a bunch of nagging plot construction issues here and there but it is certainly a good page-turner and it's very easy to see why it is as popular as it is despite being a bit older than its target audience.
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« Reply #1129 on: May 24, 2013, 09:26:47 PM »
Snape is the best. (I was always vastly more interested in the teachers than the students.)

The Handmaid's Tale - Not sure how much awareness this novel has outside Canada, here it's one of our big novels and I'd never read it, so sure. Anyway it's quite good. Very, very reminiscent of 1984; it is a chilling portrayal of a near-future dystopia except with a different focus on sex and gender which is good stuff. Grefter you should read this if you haven't. I don't have many more specific comments on characters or writing; I don't think the book quite succeeds as making you feel its world as 1984 but on the other hand it's a sight more realistic and still highly highly relevant as I'm pretty sure this is the dream society of some hardcore social conservatives. Squick.

Yes. I brought this as a suggestion for a local book club I was briefly part of, mostly because it's an excellent book, but in part to share my amazement/disgust that wow there are actually people who would like something like this to be reality. That is terrifying and we shouldn't forget it. (They went for the ghost story instead.) Atwood has always been very insistent that the book is no ways science fiction (as it has sometimes been classified) as nothing that occurs therein has not genuinely been done to women at some point in history.

Currently working my way through All Clear (second half of Connie Willis' most recent effort, first being Blackout). I'm not all that impressed. We have three time-traveling historians who are stranded in London during the Blitz, right? And they're all pretty sketched-in. It wasn't 'til they all finally found each near the end of the first book that I started getting a feel for personalities or anything. Obviously this is a problem! They just spend too much of their internal monologue thinking oh I'll be back home in no time and trying to puzzle out ways to arrange this or wondering why it hasn't happened yet, but we as the audience can pick up pretty quick that no you guys broke the space-time continuum and you're here for the duration, so it gets redundant pretty fast. Reading about daily life in the Blitz is pretty neat, though? I'm especially intrigued by all the little ways British intelligence misled the Nazis throughout the war. Some of this stuff I knew about (battalions of fake tanks and the like to inflate Allied troop numbers in the eyes of aerial recon), other stuff I didn't (public, large-scale fraudulence in mainstream U.K. newspapers to convince the Nazis their bombs were missing their targets and recalibrate them so that they actually would). It makes me want to go find a history book specifically about the intelligence war.

So, nice as a historical document, not so much as a narrative. One of the protagonists just got hit by a bicycle-mounted Alan Turing though. I guess that's a thing.

Doomsday Book:  Didn't click with me.  Nothing wrong with the writing; I just never felt interested in it.  May have been the setting.  I found the future segments with the Pandemic particularly boring.  Also ends damned abruptly.  I'd like a teensy bit of wrap-up at the end.

Future segments are probably a valid complaint. I didn't mind them, but I can see why someone would. They're really there for contrast though. In the mid-14th century, disease wiped out the majority of Europe. Nowadays a few dozen people die of the same thing and it's an epidemic.

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« Reply #1130 on: May 24, 2013, 10:24:39 PM »
Not a book but do recommend Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy if you like that kind of Intelligence story.  It is amazingly well done and is compelling as fuck if you dig that kind of story.
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« Reply #1131 on: May 24, 2013, 10:37:23 PM »
"Not a book but do recommend Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy"

Was that a joke about movie adaptations?
(I only saw the movie)
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« Reply #1132 on: May 24, 2013, 10:50:15 PM »
Picked up the first volume of Locke & Key since it's on sale at Comixology for three bucks. It's pretty great.

(Also Kieron Gillen's Journey Into Mystery, but of course that's awesome)
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« Reply #1133 on: May 24, 2013, 11:32:06 PM »
Legit recommendation of the movie because I can vouch for it.
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« Reply #1134 on: May 24, 2013, 11:36:16 PM »
Legit recommendation of the movie because I can vouch for it.

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« Reply #1135 on: May 25, 2013, 02:01:28 AM »

Currently working my way through All Clear (second half of Connie Willis' most recent effort, first being Blackout). I'm not all that impressed. We have three time-traveling historians who are stranded in London during the Blitz, right? And they're all pretty sketched-in. It wasn't 'til they all finally found each near the end of the first book that I started getting a feel for personalities or anything. Obviously this is a problem! They just spend too much of their internal monologue thinking oh I'll be back home in no time and trying to puzzle out ways to arrange this or wondering why it hasn't happened yet, but we as the audience can pick up pretty quick that no you guys broke the space-time continuum and you're here for the duration, so it gets redundant pretty fast. Reading about daily life in the Blitz is pretty neat, though? I'm especially intrigued by all the little ways British intelligence misled the Nazis throughout the war. Some of this stuff I knew about (battalions of fake tanks and the like to inflate Allied troop numbers in the eyes of aerial recon), other stuff I didn't (public, large-scale fraudulence in mainstream U.K. newspapers to convince the Nazis their bombs were missing their targets and recalibrate them so that they actually would). It makes me want to go find a history book specifically about the intelligence war.

So, nice as a historical document, not so much as a narrative. One of the protagonists just got hit by a bicycle-mounted Alan Turing though. I guess that's a thing.

Saw Connie Willis last Thursday, and someone asked her how she did her research. She said that for something like Blackout/All Clear, "research" was 50 years of fascination with the topic, and some key moments spent getting the details right. The trick was not so much to make the background 100% accurate, but to make the characters accurate. I haven't read this particular pair of novels yet, but I hope to, even with your review. I suspect approach has a lot to do with whether you like the books are not.
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« Reply #1136 on: May 25, 2013, 06:10:18 AM »
Judging by the forward of the book, hanging out with cool old people also contributed significantly to the detailed recreation of wartime London.

It's not bad, just not...as good.

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« Reply #1137 on: May 26, 2013, 01:22:09 AM »
For Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, watch the BBC miniseries.  It has Obi Wan Kenobi in it.  And it is very, very good.
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« Reply #1138 on: May 28, 2013, 12:13:56 AM »
Dresden files:  I bought the books for Mom to read for Mother's day. It gave me the chance to reread through things as well. I am about halfway through White Night.

Handful of thoughts on the reread:

1. I really, really like Lash.  The series does the 'Harry gets tempted with dark power' bit pretty often, and she strikes a much better balance than Harry the mad rapist of Cold Days or his quiet struggle against dark powers in the early books. It helps that his flirtation with darkness also includes Michael, who is a pretty cool version of the Paladin character.

2. Butcher seeded the stuff with Nemesis pretty early on- by book 3, I think. I'm not sure what to think of that overarching story and agree with Shale's criticisms there, but hey. I do have faith in Butcher to produce a coherent enough story.

3. Piss or get off the fucking pot re: Murphy. My god, he's been hinting at her being a Knight of the Cross since book six.  I like the character but she's been spinning her wheels for so long in the series that I'm ready to start calling her Perrin. And I'm not even touching the relationship stuff with Harry. 

4. John Marcone needs to be in the books more often, but he doesn't really work as an enemy of Harry's and hasn't since like book 2. I'm expecting him to be a fairly major player in Skin Days, which is cool.
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« Reply #1139 on: May 29, 2013, 07:36:07 PM »
Finished my WoT re-read last night. I do think I benefited from having read them again close to one another, while knowing how it ends.

For the most part, I really enjoyed it. There is undeniably a slog right around book 8 where it gets unbearable and I had no qualms whatsoever with skipping entire sections. I pretty consistently skipped Ituralde's stuff, actually, and I feel like I didn't miss a thing.

The last three books are pretty definitively Sanderson. The final book is so Sanderson I'm a little worried it corrupted the vision Jordan had. From speaking to Sanderson and Harriet, though, I'm skeptical that Jordan had put together a comprehensive enough ending to shape how it would be written. Then again, it also just might be that Sanderson already was a writer so close to what Jordan was getting at that the transition was going to be as smooth as could be. Either way, I definitely saw echos of Mistborn in A Memory of Light.

* I am still dissatisfied with the ending. I am always dissatisfied with the endings of long series. It comes from being so invested in these characters, and makes it so that the resolution of the plot does not feel like a final resolution. I want to know how the characters live their lives after something like this! If the alternative to the ending is something like what happened in Harry Potter, well, I'd prefer this ending. Still. I hope that we get to see more stories about the world, like the one that's coming out in the anthology later this year.

* Perfect dialog can be so very distracting sometimes (usually manifests as quippy exchanges), but I forgive it in the case of my hands-down favorite character, Mat.

* The difference cell phones would have made in this world is utterly astounding. Thanks to the complex interweaving of "fate" and "happenstance," however, I think that even with cell phones the story would have managed to be complicated and somewhat unpredictable. This is a good thing! The bad thing is the number of times I caught myself thinking, "Ugh, why don't you just ask" or something similar.

* It is very obvious Jordan was heavily invested in yin-yang symbolism. Male vs female, positive vs negative, one weave vs its opposite -- he was really interested in perfect binaries. It's heavy-handed in the beginning, where the women are always complaining about how nonsensical the men are, and vice versa, but it smooths out toward the end. Mostly I think this has to do with character development. As the characters develop relationships, their own personalities, and preferences, they have to move past generalizations.

I think I've mentioned this before, but it took me an alarmingly long time to recognize that this was a King Arthur story. I like what Jordan did with it. I like that he's a horse person. Even though I hate reading battles, I like that he had a thing for military tactics and history. I liked the interactions of nations, and the people who both ran them and simply worked for them. I liked the balance it struck.

So, it's a long series. It has a lot of details. You could probably cut out quite a bit and not suffer too much for it. But the grand scope, and the long-term planning that comes to fruition by the end, are part of what make Wheel of Time so successful.

I think I'll take another year or two before I tackle re-reading it again.

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I also got my copy of digital extras for Scalzi's The Human Division (that serial release in the Old Man's War series I talked about).

I also randomly decided to read The DaVinci Code again. I am reminded why I hate popular fiction. It's about on part with my distaste of popular music. Nevertheless, I consume both.
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« Reply #1140 on: June 17, 2013, 08:07:57 PM »
The Emperor's Soul- Good stuff. It's a novella that does some worldbuilding for Elantris. Good payoff for such a short story. Unlike most of Sanderson's works there isn't a giant twist in the end, just some cat and mouse between Shia and the Emperor's advisers.
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« Reply #1141 on: June 18, 2013, 03:37:56 AM »
The Rithmatist- Did you know Brandon Sanderson wrote a YA novel?  Would you be surprised to learn that it involves magical geometry?  if you answered no to both these questions, you have about my reaction to the book.
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« Reply #1142 on: June 20, 2013, 06:54:29 PM »
Ocean at the End of the Lane.

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« Reply #1143 on: June 20, 2013, 07:29:14 PM »
I think a couple more meetings and you'll be officially eligible to add Neil Gaiman to your FB friendlist.
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« Reply #1144 on: June 27, 2013, 10:55:55 AM »
Powered through Snow Crash from where I stopped in my last post. The middle section with the religious history/theory and relation to Sumer and iconography (cake for an art historian) left me out of breath from laughing. I love the book that much. Nothing was boring, because I took the historical (although a bit densely organized with some holes--- ha) as a huge comedic relief section. I think it's best that way. Anyway, will share some of my favorite parts once I return to the States. I also haven't read a book for myself outside of art history in about... 3 years besides trudging through Les Mis in French.

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« Reply #1145 on: June 27, 2013, 11:09:02 PM »
Read some books recently!

My gf got me to read these zombie books entitled Rot and Ruin. They are real easy to read, since they are young adult novels, but they weren't bad. I read the first three books and now the last one hasn't been released yet.

Plus, I just purchased the first 4 game of throne books from Amazon. I finished the third season on HBO and I couldn't wait another year to find out everything.
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« Reply #1146 on: June 28, 2013, 05:10:26 AM »
Rot and Ruin? That the ones with the half Japanese brothers? Just read a short story set in that world, it was decent.
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« Reply #1147 on: June 28, 2013, 07:20:44 AM »
The Emperor's Soul - Short and decentish. Shai reminds me a bit too much of Sarene from Elantris in her perfect ability to read people but s'alright.
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« Reply #1148 on: June 29, 2013, 02:29:26 PM »
Rot and Ruin? That the ones with the half Japanese brothers? Just read a short story set in that world, it was decent.

That's the one.
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« Reply #1149 on: June 29, 2013, 09:31:53 PM »
I'm gonna separate the comics stuff into its own topic, ya'll.

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