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« Reply #475 on: December 01, 2009, 12:24:06 AM »
Correct. A lot of the last battle is written out (The entire final book), it's book 11 and the later parts of 10 where it's sketchier.
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« Reply #476 on: December 01, 2009, 04:37:53 PM »
I was speaking, generally, of what these last three books are supposed to be: the end of the series. I know Jordan wrote things himself, but Sanderson's in charge of getting us there. We shall see how that goes. ;)
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« Reply #477 on: December 01, 2009, 05:33:50 PM »
Can't be any worse than Jordan by himself!

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« Reply #478 on: December 01, 2009, 07:21:58 PM »
Hard to say. He hasn't ended something before.
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« Reply #479 on: December 01, 2009, 10:01:09 PM »
Finished The Gathering Storm. I can't imagine how Jordan anticipated fitting this and two more into a single volume, but I am glad it was split up and I suspect Jordan would have come to the same conclusion as well. I fear it suffers from the "1 of 3" syndrome (a la The Matrix Trilogy, Song of Ice and Fire, etc.) in that it loses some impact because it is not truly complete, but it does have some awesomeness all its own that manages to distract, for the moment, that you won't be able to finish reading this "last book" for years yet.

I do see Sanderson in how the characters were written and how pivotal moments are spotlighted in dramatic floodlight. Holy crap but does Sanderson know drama *jazz hands*. <_< But I also see Jordan in the intricate plot lines, in things coming together after 11 goddamn long books of threading to prove that he really did need at least a large chunk of that meandering waffle he created. Then again, that is also something Sanderson did with Mistborn. To be honest, separating the two is difficult: Jordan had a fetish for foreign cultures, Sanderson has one for drama and religion, but the two really are matched in what they write and why they write it. It helps, of course, that Jordan is why Sanderson does what he does.

**I am too lazy to separate them out, so be wary of spoilers below.**

This is definitely the book leading up to the climax, the Big Battle against the Dark One. You can see it in the darkness creeping into just about every character, in the way they justify actions, speech, relationships, etc. Death is lighter than a feather, duty is heavier than a mountain is sort of the catch phrase of this book. Rand uses it as a mantra (to his detriment, unfortunately). Egwene pushes aside her love of Gawyn and friendships in order to see the Tower healed. The two of them are the focal point, but you can see it in Verin when she makes her final choice; in Nynaeve and Lan when they do what they feel must be done in sending him to the Borderlands; in Perrin who gives up everything in search of Faile and begins the hard road of getting it back no matter what it takes; in Faile who does what she feels she must for Perrin; in Siuan for being, well, Blue. You don't see it as much in Elayne in part because she is a very peripheral character here, but also in part, I think, because what she does is so mundane next to the magnitude of what every other character is entangled in. In fact, she seems to be the only one not in the middle of preparing for Tarmon Gai'don. Curious.

** End of maybe spoilers. **

I think Jordan and Sanderson balance one another out fairly well. I'm interested to see how the last two go. And goddamnit, if Sanderson starts taking as long as GRRM, I'm going to be pissed. >:( I hope they stick to their proposed release schedule, though I also hope (of course) that they don't have to push out sub-par novels to do so.



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« Reply #480 on: December 02, 2009, 12:22:07 AM »
She's 16, it is the right age for it.


There is no right age to read what is apparently creepy Mormon propaganda masquerading as bad vampire porn.

She's 16, it is the right age for it.


There is no right age to read what is apparently creepy Mormon propaganda masquerading as bad vampire porn.

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« Reply #481 on: December 02, 2009, 01:35:28 AM »
She's 16, it is the right age for it.


There is no right age to read what is apparently creepy Mormon propaganda masquerading as bad vampire porn.

She's 16, it is the right age for it.


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Well, that's the UK education system failing, then.

I can only assume that it was shown in class as part of a lecture on abusive relationships and Battered Housewife syndrome. Really, Twilight is an amazing portrayal of how horrible relationships can be romanticized in a victim's mind.

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« Reply #482 on: December 02, 2009, 07:03:38 AM »
I can only assume that it was shown in class as part of a lecture on abusive relationships and Battered Housewife syndrome. Really, Twilight is an amazing portrayal of how horrible relationships can be romanticized in a victim's mind.

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« Reply #483 on: December 02, 2009, 07:07:37 AM »
Your mom is a joke made in bad taste.

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« Reply #484 on: December 02, 2009, 07:13:22 AM »
And your mum isn't a joke but she does taste damned fine.
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« Reply #485 on: December 02, 2009, 06:44:11 PM »
So I received "Sans Famille" for my birthday, bought myself "Deltora Quest" (all 8 books in one) and found a Chinese novel called "1/2 Prince" in English... man, I guess I've enough to read until Christmas at least.

The chinese novel is actually pretty funny. Girl gets male avatar in massive online game with 99% realism (including the senses), and has to fend off masses of girls trying to date her. Somewhere along the road she becomes a rockstar.

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« Reply #486 on: December 03, 2009, 07:33:03 AM »
Unseen Academicals: Good stuff. Not great; the idea that football's been going on in Ankh-Morpork for decades without ever being mentioned before never stopped nagging at me. But it's new Pratchett, and I'm not complaining about that. Hopefully he brings Nutt back, or writes a book about the Dean. Or both.

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« Reply #487 on: December 05, 2009, 07:28:58 PM »
So I am finally finishing up the Sword of Truth series. Can't say that I have been overly dissapointed, but the majority of the people here seem to look down on the series.  I've been plowing through "Confessor" ever since my friend let me borrow it and I must say, things are finally happening and it is awesome.

If I were to rate the books on how I like them, this is how it would look!


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11. Pillars of Creation - It was Wizard's First Rule only with Jensen playing the part of Richard. Sorry to say, but I had seen it all before. Plus, Jensen just was plain retarded through half the book. Oba was ill used and when he did get used it was kinda rushed. The end of the book became interesting, but that's only because Richard showed up and saved the story!

10. Naked Empire - The Slide should have been a much cooler villian, but once again was used poorly. Also, I hated the group that were pacifists yet poisoned Richard to do their bidding. That makes sense! Then they become ruthless murderers at Richard's request, even though throughout the entire book you are under the impression they are without any combat experience and abhor any form of violence. Richard for President!

9. Blood of the Fold - Only this low because I can only remember a couple plot points about this book. Crazy guy of the Order wants to get rid of magic and uses his magical sister as means to accomplish that goal?

8. Soul of Fire - You are forced to watch the lives of these slaves of this empire for a good portion of the book. And what are they used for, fodder? Their only goal is to retrive the Sword of Truth for plot convenience. I honestly thought they these charders would be used better. Oh well after five books I should have figured new characters never last the long in this series!

7. Faith of the Fallen - I like this book, but for some reason this was the book that I had stopped reading midway through. I took a good two years to get back into it. Kinda glad I did as Nicci became an interesting character.

4, 5, and 6. Chainfire, Phantom, and Confessor - I lump these books together because they all go together pretty much. Though if I had to say, I liked them all individually. Chainfire was good because richard finally had to question himself and his sanity. It took him to the brink, but of course he was right. Richard is ALWAYS right! Phantom was the typical middle book in a trilogy type setting. Confessor had Ja'La. I fucking love Ja'La. Also, I'm not done with Confessor, but I do like to see things get wrapped up and after 11 books it good to see things starting to do just that.

3. Temple of the Wind - Need I say it? The sex scenes that were required for entrance to the Temple. Priceless.

2. Stone of Tears - This one had it all. Metal Gear Richard. Demons raping women. Sexually depreived Wizards, The introduction of Nathan fucking Rahl (my favorite character in the series. Oh hwo I wish they used him more. >_> ), Richard single handedly taking down an organization that had been around for a thousand years, and so much more.

1. Wizard's First Rule - What can I say, this one started it all. If not for some girl I was trying to get with's contant declaration of how good this series was, then I might have missed this series all together! So thank you Kriss, you dirty bitch! 
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« Reply #488 on: December 05, 2009, 11:08:49 PM »
You missed the part where nothing other than the highest ranking one there is worth reading.  Got up to Faith of the Fallen myself as a teen and when a 16 year old is picking up that the book is nothing other than blatant strawman against Communism (written in 2000 for fucks sake, you missed that boat by JUST A LITTLE) then you have a book that is so poorly veiled allegory that you don't deserve to be published.  Because you see that is TOTALLY what I want to read in my high fantasy, how like Marx was totally the devil who wanted to have sex with EVERYTHING and felt NOTHING (because that is NOTHING AT ALL LIKE RICHARD because Richard doesn't WANT to have sex with everything, he just does and deals with the tragic hardships).

Edit - Fixed up some typos and think this needed some context for people not aware of how badly this is handled.  The NOT JOHN GALT main character gets kidnapped and take to NOT COMMUNIST country where people have their assigned job and no one is allowed to do anyone elses job because the government says so, so helping an old lady who is an apple cart loader to load the cart full of apples that NOT JOHN GALT does shocks and makes people worry for his safety (this is not an exact scene, I haven't read the book for the better half of a decade also note that THIS IS NOT HOW COMMUNISM FUCKING WORKS).  Then NOT JOHN GALT makes an amazing stunning stand against NOT THE MAN by carving an idealised half naked statue of himself and his wife (Rape victim who he had to have sex with while she was on the rag to enter a temple where he could learn all of everything ever and then forget it for some fucking reason in a previous book) and the power of their love (SHE ISN'T EVEN IN THE COUNTRY, THIS IS ALL JUST A STATUE) convinces the people that LOVE IS THE WAY and to abandon all Communist notions and that it is alright to help your neighbour, but to not help your neighbour to much or they will be to weak to look out for themselves (So presumably you should be charging for it and then raping them because this is Randian bullshit).  All this presumably leads on to the seeds of a revolution against the all powerful NOT STALIN who is IMMUNE TO MAGIC BECAUSE HE BELIEVES NOTHING who can KILL PEOPLE IN THEIR DREAMS.  But you see the book ends after he unveils the statue and shows everyone the POWER OF LOVE AND FREEDOM AND NAKEDNESS.

Seriously, whenever I talk about the series I start off going to be reasonable and then just degenerate into rage and swearing.  Fuck these books.  Go read some Weiss and Hickman instead.  Dark Sword Trilogy is more nuanced than that shit.

Edit - Having talked more about the books I have to reiterate FUCK THESE BOOKS.  SO FUCKING MUCH.

Edit 2 - To go into FURTHER detail though, this all tails on after a book where we watched the main characters firebomb and invade another country because they were intending to be neutral in a war between the Main Characters perfect country of Dominatrix Soldiers and the EVIL COMMUNIST EMPIRE.  The country is lead by the Heroines cousin.  Because if NOT SWITZERLAND isn't with Dominatrix Land then they are against them.  Ignore that this is a small country that can contribute almost nothing to the cause, they didn't side with the psychotic heroes and therefore deserved to be firebombed into oblivion.  Oh yeah and all this is perpetuated by the Heroine, the main character is off (once again) having a crisis of conscience but once again has it reinforced that WHATEVER HE THINKS IS RIGHT AND JUST and that everyone else is evil by default.

FUCK. THESE. BOOKS.
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« Reply #489 on: December 07, 2009, 06:44:15 PM »
Reading Firebrand (Marion Zimmer Bradley) and Flatland now.

Flatland is not at all what I expected, but it's intriguing. But then, I like defamiliarization exercises, and this most definitely is one.

Firebrand is one of my favorite books from when I was younger (12-14, I think, is when I first read it). I do like MZB*, but the heavy-handedness of the feminism is sometimes a bit much for me. I actually read this far before becoming acquainted with the Aeneid, etc., so I was rather confused about how events actually played out once I got to the "real" version of the fall of Troy. I still mentally default to Firebrand's version.

I also have Mists of Avalon, The Forest House and Lady of Avalon which I will probably get to soon.

I have Green Rider (Kristen Britain) and will be reading up to High King's Tomb. I read the first two when they were new and just sort of forgot when the new one came out.

Also have Siddhartha in a feeble effort to get back to reading what English majors are supposed to be reading. I figured I'd start by going with something a little more my speed, and "spiritual journey" kind of obviously fits the theme there.

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« Reply #490 on: December 07, 2009, 09:15:59 PM »
Siddhartha? Man, Ash, if you're going to read Hermann Hesse, I'd recommend you just go to either Der Steppenwolfe or Demian. 
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« Reply #491 on: December 07, 2009, 09:37:34 PM »
Seconded. I liked Demian.

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« Reply #492 on: January 02, 2010, 04:42:47 PM »
Fairie Tale by Raymond Feist- Flipped through it again today after reading it as a child. Pretty screwed up stuff on the whole but was a fascinating read.
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« Reply #493 on: January 04, 2010, 07:15:27 PM »
Finished Firebrand, Flatland and Mists of Avalon. I think I read another book in there somewhere, but it was (obviously) filler and I can't remember what it was.

Am currently reading and re-reading a self-help book. I am not usually the nonfiction type, but I am a huge sucker for pretty speeches and inspirational mumbo jumbo -- hence this book. It has some methods and ideas that really resonate with me, so I'm going to send my idealistic self on a metaphoric journey and see where it takes me.

On the fiction front, I'm going to end up with more classics. Maybe I will hit Siddhartha, but I also have a few other things I've been meaning to read that I found lurking on my shelves, so we'll see.
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« Reply #494 on: January 04, 2010, 08:34:06 PM »
Demian/Der Steppenwolfe first if you're hitting Hermann Hesse is a better bet. But I already said that. That and it's quite possible you don't have those other books.  >_> <_<
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« Reply #495 on: January 04, 2010, 08:37:59 PM »
...heeeee, flatland. Such a misogynistic work it's almost ludicrously funny, though I confess I like the phallic inversion that occurs there.

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« Reply #496 on: January 04, 2010, 09:59:44 PM »
I own neither Demian nor Steppenwolfe. I might pick them up, but I really need to go through the crap I have ALREADY that I haven't read. There's some interesting and off the wall stuff I've collected over the years and haven't yet read.

Flatland was horrifically misogynistic, an ironic point. I need to keep reminding myself that it was written in 1884. It was interesting. I like defamiliarization exercises, and boy was this a doozy.
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« Reply #497 on: January 04, 2010, 10:05:16 PM »
Yeah. Very interesting, at the same time as being very, very much a product of its times.

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« Reply #498 on: January 05, 2010, 08:29:38 AM »
Snow suggesting Hesse, let me try and contain my shock.
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« Reply #499 on: January 05, 2010, 01:48:31 PM »
Snow suggesting Hesse, let me try and contain my shock.

She expressed interest in Hesse first. I'm just trying to steer her differently within that. But that's mostly because Siddharta didn't impress me a ton.
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