Author Topic: 2009 NFL season: Poor Yakumo. (Read 7600 times)

superaielman · « **on:** February 28, 2009, 06:08:44 PM »

Blah blah news, but the big story right now: That speculation from a few days ago was correct. Matt Cassel was just traded to Kansas City.

The Patriots are about to make out like bandits.

Oh yeah, Haynesworth got a 100 dollar contract and Dawkins was signed by the Broncos.

Scar · « **Reply #1 on:** February 28, 2009, 06:56:31 PM »

Kellen Winslow!!!!!!

superaielman · « **Reply #2 on:** February 28, 2009, 08:36:06 PM »

Assuming his knees don't explode, that was a nice pickup for the Bucs.

Vrabel+Cassell was traded for KC's second rounder. *Whistles* Nice deal for KC, it looks like.

NotMiki · « **Reply #3 on:** February 28, 2009, 09:19:47 PM »

Quote from: superaielman on February 28, 2009, 08:36:06 PM

Vrabel+Cassell was traded for KC's second rounder. *Whistles* Nice deal for KC, it looks like.

Yeah, what the hell? Talk about giving away the farm.

EDIT: a little analysis:

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/02/trade_compensat.html

Upshot: due to his high price tag plus market conditions, there may not have been as much of a market for Cassel as many believed. I think if that is the case, the Pats should possibly have held out longer before trading him, but maybe they thought it was better to clear that cap space early on.

Shale · « **Reply #4 on:** March 01, 2009, 10:23:46 PM »

Quote from: superaielman on February 28, 2009, 06:08:44 PM

Dawkins was signed by the Broncos.

I go away for ONE FUCKING WEEKEND.

Scar · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2009, 04:11:49 AM »

Ward, Clayton and Winslow...oh my!

Now all we need now is Cutler and we are set!

Luther Lansfeld · « **Reply #6 on:** March 05, 2009, 05:28:35 AM »

Buh-bye, TO!

Don't let the door hit you in the ass drama queenie.

Anthony Edward Stark · « **Reply #7 on:** March 05, 2009, 05:30:08 AM »

Well if the Packers are gonna go to the 3-4 they had better find a beefy nose tackle.

Shale · « **Reply #8 on:** March 05, 2009, 05:38:12 AM »

Quote from: Ciato on March 05, 2009, 05:28:35 AM

Buh-bye, TO!

Best NFL news ever.

Who picks him up, I wonder? The Browns, desperate for anything that looks like talent? The Broncos, as part of the "blow up the entire goddamn team, and then pee on the ashes" strategy they seem to like so much this year? The Bengals, because it would be the funniest thing in human history? I can't wait.

superaielman · « **Reply #9 on:** March 05, 2009, 12:12:20 PM »

Quote from: Rob the Stampede on March 05, 2009, 05:30:08 AM

Well if the Packers are gonna go to the 3-4 they had better find a beefy nose tackle.

Ryan Pickett's tough enough to play NT, just has no time in the 3-4 and is in a contract year. BJ Raji's the best NT in the draft, I bet the Packers pick him up. They also badly need a 3-4 end with Jolly's suspension and him being in a contract year as well.

Anthony Edward Stark · « **Reply #10 on:** March 05, 2009, 10:14:24 PM »

Quote from: Shale on March 05, 2009, 05:38:12 AM

Quote from: Ciato on March 05, 2009, 05:28:35 AM
Buh-bye, TO!

Best NFL news ever.

Who picks him up, I wonder? The Browns, desperate for anything that looks like talent? The Broncos, as part of the "blow up the entire goddamn team, and then pee on the ashes" strategy they seem to like so much this year? The Bengals, because it would be the funniest thing in human history? I can't wait.

The Raiders, duh. "The NFL's equivalent of a sink unit."

Scar · « **Reply #11 on:** March 06, 2009, 02:11:34 PM »

Fuck it. Let the Bucs pick him up!

edit: whoops! Hit the notify button instead of the modify one.

*whistles*

NotMiki · « **Reply #12 on:** March 07, 2009, 11:33:04 PM »

TO to Buffalo. Hey, that rhymes!

superaielman · « **Reply #13 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:50:26 AM »

It was commented in chat by me, but how the fuck did the Eagles get something of value for Greg Lewis?

Hunter Sopko · « **Reply #14 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:53:33 AM »

Cinci signs J.T. O'Sullivan. Like they need someone who can throw INTs better than Palmer?

I wanted to believe in O'Suillivan last year. It was a great story with how he got picked up by San Fran. Too bad he completely fouled it up by not doing very well.

Scar · « **Reply #15 on:** March 14, 2009, 06:35:00 PM »

Now all the bucs need is Tory Holt and Jay Cutler!

Shale · « **Reply #16 on:** March 19, 2009, 06:37:22 PM »

L.J. Smith is a Raven.

Excuse me, I have to go throw a party now.

superaielman · « **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2009, 06:45:13 PM »

Donte Stallworth: A man of good judgement.

Shale · « **Reply #18 on:** March 19, 2009, 08:29:14 PM »

This is old, but I didn't see it before.

Quote from: NotMiki on February 28, 2009, 09:19:47 PM

Yeah, what the hell? Talk about giving away the farm.

EDIT: a little analysis:

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/02/trade_compensat.html

Upshot: due to his high price tag plus market conditions, there may not have been as much of a market for Cassel as many believed. I think if that is the case, the Pats should possibly have held out longer before trading him, but maybe they thought it was better to clear that cap space early on.

"Many" meaning "particularly stupid Patriots fans." It was obvious to anyone who passed fourth-grade math that the Pats could afford to actually pay Cassel a franchise contract, which meant they weren't exactly negotiating from strength. They're lucky they got such a high pick, IMO.

superaielman · « **Reply #19 on:** March 19, 2009, 10:10:37 PM »

The wildcard there was Brady's recovery. If his knee was really fucked up, the Patriots may have had no choice but to hold onto him. It gave them some strength, and several teams (KC, Detroit) had nothing at QB.

NotMiki · « **Reply #20 on:** March 19, 2009, 11:06:42 PM »

I don't think it's entirely unfounded. Cassel's a decent QB. If your organization is weak at QB, you're not exactly in a strong trading position either. So the Pats couldn't afford to keep him, but they might justifiably have expected that there was a market (and if the Broncos had been less coy, apparently there would have been.)

Shale · « **Reply #21 on:** March 19, 2009, 11:51:06 PM »

Oh, there was, but not at a price where the second pick in the second round is a disappointment. They were pretty much assured to be able to move him, but the idea that they'd get high or multiple first-rounders was pie-in-the-sky.

NotMiki · « **Reply #22 on:** March 20, 2009, 12:01:00 AM »

I think that disappointment was more about losing Vrabel in the deal as well. I'm still not convinced that was necessary to make a trade happen, and consensus in Boston is the Pats are weaker without him (although, like any consensus in Boston regarding the Pats, this one ends with 'Belichick is always right and if we think he's wrong we're just not seeing the big picture').

superaielman · « **Reply #23 on:** March 20, 2009, 12:16:47 AM »

I bet that was cap related. Vrabel is getting up there and didn't play his best football last year. Think it's a really good pickup for KC, especially since they're switching to a 3-4.

Edit: Belicheck spoke about this today. Here's the rotoworld blub.

Bill Belichick, speaking on WEEI in Boston, said he never received an offer for a first- and third-round pick for Matt Cassel.
"They never made that offer to me," Belichick said, indicating there were no official late offers in the Cassel dealing. Without getting too specific, Belichick said he was in contact with multiple teams after Cassel signed his franchise tender and he took the best offer he got. He also indicated that the complexities of a three-way trade (presumably including Jay Cutler) could have taken a long time to play out, largely because it would have been contingent on new contracts. Reading between the lines, it seemed like the Patriots didn't have a firm offer or the patience to wait for one because they needed cap relief.

NotMiki · « **Reply #24 on:** March 20, 2009, 12:27:45 AM »

Sounds about right. Apparently the Broncos only got serious after Vrabel was traded, by which point it was too late.

By three-way trade they probably meant with the Lions, who were apparently after Cutler.

I misspoke a bit about Vrabel. There's no consensus as to whether he was worth the cap space (which seems to have been the issue, yes), but there is a consensus that he's got some years of good football left in him and that it's a shame to see him go.

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Author Topic: 2009 NFL season: Poor Yakumo. (Read 7600 times)