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##Vote: Ran/Alex/Sir AlexThis puts Ran at -2 to lynch, as a benchmark.
While I want to hear a bit more, my gut definitely is telling me there is a problem here.
There is one other, amusing thing:
OKAY! Finally. Here's the long-awaited post wherein I list folks.
All of these things are my notes of what I see as relevant factoids.
Tai - "Eh." Moves, late, to Zenny. Sick, irritable, says the attack on Smodge had no ground, first.
Tom - Gone for day 1. Agrees w/me re Smodge, votes. "Oh no, minus one!" Then hammers Zenny later. Votes Tai for lurking. Is voted on by Excal, votes for Excal back. Goes to Smodge later.
Dhyer - L A L on Zenny, says the Otter matter is WIFOM, agrees with QR but no vote, doesn't say much. Goes to Smodge. No more.
Yakumo - Second vote on Otter, votes for Tom. Nothing else day 3?
Ciato - Says I'm too aggressive, Smodge plays bad. Reply 59, she reacts quite harshly. First to vote Otter for lurk. Reply 66, negates 59 without further commenting. LOTS of one liners.
Reply 130, speaks from hypothetical scum viewpoint. Does this-
A quick interruption here: Uh. Not... so much, as she theorizes why Carthrat was killed. ...this is scummy/from scum perspective how, again?
Link -multiple times in later posts. 152, says the Smodge debate is town vs town, but can't say why. Is noncommittal much. Votes Andrew, reply 173. I find this post intriguing. Takes Zenny at word. Votes me with little comment, post 239.
Meeple - agrees, hops on with me day 1, then moves to the Otter. Says "I'll come up with something soon." Agrees on Smodge. Lots of summaries. Wavers between Smodge and Excal, then hammers Smodge.
Andrew - "Hi, I am lurking, no vote now". Was unvoted by Otter. Votes Otter quite late. "Hammering scum is good!" (how did you know he's scum?) Then goes hard on Smodge. Consistent attack on Smodge.
That's everybody. Now what does this mean? First of all, lurkers. Taishyr, Dhyer, Yakumo, I have nothing on. Tai and Yakko both haven't posted much at all. Dhyer has said more, but his posts mostly are just summaries and such, and he rarely votes. Meeple has mostly been in line with my Smodge hate, and otherwise quiet. But Ciato, now, she sets off my alarm bells. Simply? Lacks content. Her first flipflopping, 59 and 66, was remarked on by Quietrain, back when it happened. I found it odd, but let it go then. This is one of the things I did not want to talk about earlier. I wanted to see if she would actually come out with something thick before Smodge was lynched, or if she'd leave her 'case' there. She left it at that. All or nearly all of her posts have been too short, and lacking content. Her two line vote post said I was far too narrow, but she's not better. She voiced concern on Excal, Andrew, and myself, and thought Smodge not wrong.-
...while you focused on Smodge. And Smodge. And oh hey Smodge. Yeah, she's better, if not by much! Also, bolded line amuses me. I thought there was nothing relevant to talk about other than Smodge day 1. Perhaps a misinterpretation of what you said; however, bringing it up now makes it look far more bizarre; if you see something suspicious, say something, don't just sit on your laurels. (Says the 'lurker', yes. There's a reason I like slightly longer deadlines - I CAN ACTUALLY TALK MORE THAN ONCE, UNLIKE DAY 3. -.- But continuing on.
Now, Excal was scum, and her other arguments have never been backed. Lots of gut feeling, lots of "I'll post more later," yet nothing later. She's talked a lot from scum's viewpoint, which I always find eyebrow raising. Also telling, this is not the way she played back in the Phoenix Wright game. There, she attacked me on intuition (was right), but then backed it up. This game feels more like she's trying to play on that, and KNOWS who's town/scum. She definitely tops my suspect list right now. So ##Vote: Ciato I want to hear more, lots more, from the other three mentioned. Time to talk!
Okay. Actual interesting comment, with something resembling a case (I have yet to fully backcheck each of his comments, but I've done it for a fair bit).
Ciato, if you were against lynching Smodge, then why were you silent? You posted hammer counting, so you were right there, but you said no more. If I was preying on easy targets, I would not be voting you! Smodge was rightly lynched. He acted scummy. This was agreed by many. He was at the top of nearly everybody's suspect lists all game. The only people who could have KNOWN he was town are scum.
On Ciato's views: Reply number 130: "I want to say Rat seems like an awkward kill for that reason. Although he can't really be tied to others, which I guess was the rationale." Then, 152: "I think this Andy
vs. smodge thing reeks of not being town vs. town to me for some reason, although I can't place my finger on why I believe this." Then, 173: "Hounding someone who twists their words around themselves at times is profit for scum." "The focus on smodge seems like exactly what scum want to me! And I find Andrew's pressing off in some manner." 179, again, she claims gut on Zen. Scum knew Smodge and I were town all along, and so I find it likely that one went pro-Smodge but not TOO hard, declining to defend further when hammer approached!) in order to look good and get a lynch on me.
This "tunnel vision" I have explained lots before. Should I do so more? If someone comes up on day one, and asks you to make a megalist, do you do it? Or do you look at them funny and ask them "Why are you asking me to make cases on other people out of thin air, now?" There was no case to be made on anyone but Smodge, on prior days.-
To repeat myself, admittedly far less than you have, uh. Otter. Otter NOT ACTUALLY BEING INACTIVE, WHICH YOU KNEW AND ADMITTED TO. Zenthor. Zenthor's little "lol pretend to be silenced" routine. Neither of these deserved your attention? Why not? THEY WERE ON THE BLOCK. SMODGE WAS NOT. So you refused... to actually discuss the issues at hand? Mmmkay.
NOW, yes, it is time to look around and poke at everyone. Not then. I would like to see lots of discussion from Tai, Yakko and Dhyer.
'k.
Regarding Excal, I'm co-modding the Discworld game, where he was scum. Knowing this made me more inclined to buy into his excuses of being distracted by that game, though of course I could not say that here. For that reason I dismissed the fuss over him - at that time, at least. I think Tom was sort of overreacting there, not enough to call. In retrospect, though, he has a point on Yakko. Not for the reasons he states, exactly, but regarding reply two hundred and sixteen. This is quite the odd attack for Yakko to make. He mentions that Tom "gave Excal a pass" but Tom voted for Excal just two posts above. Tom made a misstep with the "vanilla townie" comment, for dang sure, however it is a comparative statement, makes sense to me thus. Yakko's main cited reason for his vote there was Tom's attack on Tai. But the cases on both Taishyr and Excal were lurking, and Tai had not posted, while Excal had.
Again, referencing the fact that I wasn't really around to post, but whatever. I acknowledge my fault, here. Moving on.
And Tom went for both of them, sure nuff. Yakko's vote is odd. There may be something to what Tom is saying here. Or, it could be more smoke and mirrors, the dangers of case invention when there is nothing on which to base lynch cases, save for red herrings.
O....kay. Uh. So everything aside from which you have focused on is a magical red herring? Just to get this clear, here. Since, you know. -Only the scum would know precisely what the red herrings are-. Or did you get a Magical Red Herring Detector for Christmas?
...if so, can I touch it? Please? I won't break it, really!
This will be my last post for some time, as I must sleep now and will be gone all tomorrow till evening. As I am apparently the top target for a lot of people for reasons I find shaky, I will say this: Stop.
Think. If you are inclined to vote me for "tunnel vision" earlier, "Tunnel vision is bad!" is a false platitude. Think hard and try to articulate clearly how exactly focus on one lynch target hurts town, when there are no more clear cases to hunt. Tell me another case I should have been talking on extensively. I haven't seen one. I don't think there was one, and I think inventing cases for the sake of inventing more cases and chasing more tails without evidence to sustain such cases is much more town-harmful. Do not buy into "tunnel vision is bad!" when diffusion is worse.
Okay. We call it tunnel vision because you aren't just focusing, dude. You're overfocusing on one target at a time (though I seem to be creeping into your vision! Impressive, I was wondering how much -that- would take), without regards to any of the lynches, nightkills, statements or anything else going on. In other words, you are missing forest for the trees, to use anothe rote quote. Otter vs. Zenthor was an invented case? One of the two was scum. I'm not sure how the problems there were, ah, invented. I have more to say on this, but it will come at the end of this post.
*eyes Taishyr much* "Sorry for my cliffhanger, now here's another"? Please do your best to come up with whatever you're looking for soon, now.
Doing so, my little puffy-tails!
So, by Ciato, I'm personally to be held accountable for the noted lack of other early cases, because I "refused to hear anything else?"
Uh, no, you're earning ire for not really chipping in on any discussion but the Smodge one and now the case you're establishing on Ciato. When uh three days passed, other people went to the gallows, and you did little about it.
This is the most damning thing she's said to date, even more so since in the same post she admits to not pursuing anything else cause "There wasn't a heck of a lot to discuss" then.
Reference this, since I very much do not see this at -all-.
Way back in the first Newbie game, Super came out off the bat on me trying to claim that a skilled single player could dominate all talk. That was a false and scummy attitude then, and I promptly caught him.
The same holds true now. You can't ascribe magical discussion control powers to me (or anyone else).
Yelling Birds do have a tendency to distract, however. But even beside that, guess what? No one did attribute magical discussion control powers to you! Your case was, in fact, pretty much commented around and debated for the first three days. As well as other cases! Which uh you stayed mostly on the sidelines of. (Pot to kettle, reporting in!)
Nobody was forced to focus on Smodge alone at any time. I did urge for caution when talking of Smodge-related consequences, but never any other talk.
See above comment.
Especially she can't claim intimidation, with how she's posted... Or claims to have done. She says she posted why she thought Smodge was truthful, and just didn't want to restate that. But, uh, where?Wasn't on day 3. No posts from her there save her glib vote against me and some wonderings that don't read like much. Looking back further, further, quite a bit further... One single one-line mention of how Andrew and I concern her, and....173, she attacks Andrew for his focus on Smodge, but... still no reasons seen. 152, she says that Andy vs Smodge ain't town versus town, but she can't give reasons why. And that's all there is. Defense of Smodge? Not found. Thinking Smodge is telling the truth? Still not found. Near zero useful content on Smodge past day 1. The two posts mentioned as flipping is *ALL*, all else is accusations against Andrew/me (and mostly Andrew) for never-backed gut instinct and the vague feeling that "focus is bad."
A "vague feeling" shared by everyone but you, it seems to me. Still, this is a good point regarding Ciato.
Which, for what I hope will be the last time, is false. Day one, day two, and day three by game terms is "what I have done", quite so, but as I have said repeatedly, the nature of the day 1 and 2 self-lynches made that entire span equal day 1, info-wise.
...yeah, no. Also, reference where you said day 2 and 3 equalled day 1, please.
That said, Tai's looking worse to me as I think more. Like Excal, I gave him a bit of slack due to Discworld endgaming, but that's now run out, and he's using a common mainstay scum tactic. Promising "later," failing to follow through, apologizing for something bad and then doing the same thing again in the very same post. I don't like it. I've seen this before with Andrew in Wheel of Time, and other cases. The more I think on it, the worse I feel. His post had better be good. Edit for Tom - be careful. I'm not so convinced that there's just one left. Likely? Well, perhaps, but that's no reason to get cocky at this time. If there should be two remaining, hopefully their vote record today will spill the beans, so it's even more important that people weigh in.
Fair enough; here's your commentary. I apologize that I tend not to post on your schedule though! If you pay $700 for a ticket back home, perhaps that can change. But until then, give it a bloody rest. I have things to do even on break, and while I acknowledge how bad it sounds with the way I posted it, hey. I can't edit it to make it all pretty and proper, so you get what you get.
Oh, but there's one burning question to me! A reason I reference all your posts today, a reason I quoted and commented and looked through each one. For, you see, there is one glaring problem;
what does this have to do with Smodge? Or, put more pointedly, why was Smodge's lynch neccesary for the attack on Ciato? None of your argument relies on Smodge's flip. There was no acknowledgment of what Smodge's flip told us. There is, in fact, deucedly little that we have even managed to conclude from his flip of Town.
...In other words, what has your tunnel vision on a now-confirmed townie done for us? There -is- no info you have gleamed and shown us from Smodge's lynch, anywhere in your commentary. And that is what I find the most peculiar. We lack anything from these posts on this issue, and it concerns me greatly.
Do I suspect Ciato as well? Yes. There is a definite lack of detailed commentary from her this game, I feel. But I find even the one-liners she has posted a bit more useful than the baleful gaze at Smodge and everything he said. You have neglected to show or detail or anything that demonstrates how Smodge's flip impacted anything or any cases. And it is for this, amongst the rest of the problems I see, that you truly have earned my vote thus far.
