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Season 50, Week 1
« on: March 07, 2009, 06:39:29 AM »
Godlike:
Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs)
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs Naesala (FE9)
Fujin (FF8) vs Valvalis (FF4)
Lulu (FFX) vs Van Grants (TotA)

Heavy:
Hugo (S3) vs Mario (SMRPG)
Lang (LoL2) vs Mia (FE9)
Kornell (G3) vs Dehuai (SH1)
Maria Traydor (SO3) vs Sabin Rene Figaro (FF6)

Middle:
Nina (BoF5) vs Pip (CC)
Koromaru (Pers3) vs Guy (Lufia 2)
Orlha (CC) vs Eliwood (FE7)
Colm (FE8) vs 3-Charizard (PKMN)

Light:
Camus (S2) vs Lino en Kuldes (S4)
Razzly (CC) vs Miki (CC)
Dorcas (FE7) vs Louise (FE7)
Big Joe (XG) vs Hawkeye (FE7)
...into the nightfall.

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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2009, 06:44:02 AM »
Godlike:
Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs)- VP 2 Lenneth has an argument at least (Think she just avoids being KOed+lots of healing...).
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs Naesala (FE9)- Luther against someone not great at chipping
Fujin (FF8) vs Valvalis (FF4)- Fujin comes not far from a win here (relatively. For Fujin in Godlike)
Lulu (FFX) vs Van Grants (TotA)- Leaning this way.

Heavy:
Hugo (S3) vs Mario (SMRPG)
Lang (LoL2) vs Mia (FE9)- His best magic should 2HKO, and even if I see her evading it, 28% isn't kicking it until turn 3.
Kornell (G3) vs Dehuai (SH1)
Maria Traydor (SO3) vs Sabin Rene Figaro (FF6)- Turn 1 Paralysis, I think.

Middle:
Nina (BoF5) vs Pip (CC)
Koromaru (Pers3) vs Guy (Lufia 2)- Koro IDes in 3. Guy...seems like he drops a lot of damage to hit Holy weakness. Throw in being slower/Koro's evasion/high Counter, and Koro gets the turns he needs.
Orlha (CC) vs Eliwood (FE7)- Boss form crushes, although PC form should win anyways minus the evils of free counters.
Colm (FE8) vs 3-Charizard (PKMN)- Or was Colm the one that struggled to double anything above average?

Light:
Camus (S2) vs Lino en Kuldes (S4)
Razzly (CC) vs Miki (CC)
Dorcas (FE7) vs Louise (FE7)- Dorcas has 50% more HP and damage, which feels like it's better than doubling (Especially since the damage gets split a little more thanks to defense!)
Big Joe (XG) vs Hawkeye (FE7)
...into the nightfall.

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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2009, 07:03:13 AM »
OMG, SEYMOUR DOWNGRADED?
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Godlike
Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs)
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs. Naesala (FE9) - Shame, I wanted Naesala to get atleast 1 win in Godlike before being sent packing to Heavy. ;p
Fujin (FF8) vs Valvalis (FF4) - Sadly enough, I'm not entirely sure here. <.<
Lulu (FFX) vs Van Grants (TotA) - Uhh... Lulu might take this? Not sure, don't remember clearly Van's durability.

Heavy:
Hugo (S3) vs Mario (SMRPG)
Maria Traydor (SO3) vs Sabin Rene Figaro (FF6) - Turn 1 paralysis? Don't see it happening.

Middle:
Nina (BoF5) vs Pip (CC)
Orlha (CC) vs Eliwood (FE7) - Boss form works.
Colm (FE8) vs 3-Charizard (PKMN) - No idea, better check up on Charizard.

Light:
Camus (S2) vs Lino en Kuldes (S4)
Razzly (CC) vs Miki (CC)
Dorcas (FE7) vs Louise (FE7) - Louise wasn't a great prepromote, but Dorcas speed is a thing of legends. But I'll go with Dhyer on this one.
Big Joe (XG) vs Hawkeye (FE7) - Lawl, Big Joe.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2009, 07:05:25 AM by ThePiggyman »
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2009, 07:05:12 AM »
OMG, SEYMOUR DOWNGRADED?

Dorcas (FE7) vs Louise (FE7) - Louise wasn't a great prepromote, but Dorcas speed is a thing of legends. But I'll go with Dhyer on this one.

The downgrade pools are kind of funky. I believe Kato and Wren did, but I'm not 100% sure on that.

And hey, you can only be doubled once so matter what your speed!
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2009, 07:11:46 AM »
Godlike:

Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs) - Autobold blah blah
Fujin (FF8) vs Valvalis (FF4) - FUJIN FOR CHAMP *spins~ spins~ spins~* ok never mind
Lulu (FFX) vs Van Grants (TotA) - Van doesn't quite have enough HP to work the whole limit boss thing in Godlike

Heavy:

Lang (LoL2) vs Mia (FE9) - Does something or another, probably magic

Middle:

Koromaru (Pers3) vs Guy (Lufia 2) - aiel and Ko hacked the game and put in a Holy weapon EDIT: Oh right, DOG evasion hype! I also played FES: The Journey instead of vanilla P3, where he gets Mudo Boost instead of Fire Break, which means he probably only needs to dodge once. Eh, sure.
Colm (FE8) vs 3-Charizard (PKMN) - FE for infinitely champing every division at once every season

Light:

Camus (S2) vs Lino en Kuldes (S4) - Lino should be Chidori
Dorcas (FE7) vs Louise (FE7) - More axes
« Last Edit: March 07, 2009, 08:43:57 AM by Nitori »
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2009, 07:20:30 AM »
The pools are automated and they shat themselves because of a 3 way tie, apparently. The fact that the actual loser, Kato, stayed in godlike should be a big hint that something went wrong. Even though a change to heavy was automatically applied to seymour, you should probably ignore that until Hal shows up and sorts this mess out.

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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2009, 07:47:58 AM »
Yeah, I will IM Hal about that.

Godlike:
Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs)- still don't allow the VP2 status blocker.
Fujin (FF8) vs Valvalis (FF4)- Fujin has no gravity defense, Dhyer. Weak gets her at worst.
Lulu (FFX) vs Van Grants (TotA)- Not enough speed for this/not OHKOing.

Heavy:
Hugo (S3) vs Mario (SMRPG)- Just better.
Kornell (G3) vs Dehuai (SH1)

Middle:
Nina (BoF5) vs Pip (CC)- ID.
Koromaru (Pers3) vs Guy (Lufia 2)- Guy does about 30% PC HP with a Gladius, for those that don't allow P3 to be auto locked down.
Orlha (CC) vs Eliwood (FE7)- Don't recall Orlha's PC form being especially scary though I'll stat topic to be sure. Boss form is a joke. Very strong kneejerk of CC hating FE style fighters tips my vote this way though.
Colm (FE8) vs 3-Charizard (PKMN)- Evade.

Light:
Camus (S2) vs Lino en Kuldes (S4)- Camus is going to champ.
Razzly (CC) vs Miki (CC)- It's Razzly.
Dorcas (FE7) vs Louise (FE7)- Dorcas 2HKOs, don't see Louise having any kind of argument to stop or get around that.
Big Joe (XG) vs Hawkeye (FE7)
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2009, 07:56:52 AM »
Godlike -

Fujin (FF8) vs Valvalis (FF4) - Valvalis is competant.


Heavy:

Maria Traydor (SO3) vs Sabin Rene Figaro (FF6) - Berserk + paralysis is definitely hitting.


Light:

Razzly (CC) vs Miki (CC) It's Razzly - Miki's actually pretty good.
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2009, 08:02:08 AM »
Godlike:
Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs) - Don't normally consider the ID blocker legal, but also an extremely strong preference against annoyingly high godlikes and returning champs.  Not sure Ghaleon's damage is quite as good as advertised to take down much more than 80% of Lenneth's HP.  Hmm.
Fujin (FF8) vs Valvalis (FF4) - FF8 scaling is a mess, but even if you give Fujin reasonable HP and damage, Val is still way faster.  Though not really buying Weak working; I think that's FF8 Diablos and the like being awesome, not the bosses having a weakness.

Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs Naesala (FE9)
Lulu (FFX) vs Van Grants (TotA)
Addressing these two together, as they both involve action-RPG characters.  I prefer to try and evaluate action-RPGs as best as possible from the way they work in-game...  Luther's stuff is dodgeable, but fairly tricky to dodge unless you run entirely behind him or the like.  So I don't normally give tons of credit in the DL to people evading his attacks (I'd see them working maybe 75% of the time?).  However Naesala is one of the most evasive characters in FE9, has insane speed, and flies.  In SO3, that'd be a dynamite combination.  I can certainly see him evading Luther's later attacks.
Lulu, however...  I got nothin'.  Dodging MAs in Tales of the Abyss is not like hitting the block button; generally you dodge by running away.  But Lulu is very slow, so that should be nigh-impossible...  yet her evasion stat in-game is hugely high, er, just because.  I can see sticking with how Lulu functions in-game and giving the match to her, or arguing that evading a Tales MA is harder and requires a different skillset than normal evasion.  Ugh.  Will think on it.

Heavy:
Kornell (G3) vs Dehuai (SH1) - Yes Dehuai is tough, but Kornell is definitely the better slugfester here to me.  First, as I think I mentioned before, I find it completely arbitrary to deny multi-part bosses their actions from the other parts but let, say, Ghaleon or Empyrea cheerfully double-act away.  Why should flavoring the double-act as two "pieces" make it illegal?  It seems that the Iron Fist is clearly part of Kornell, not a summoned ally.  So he gets credit for that, at least from me, which nearly doubles his offense.
Second.  Kornell's HP.  I actually worked this out awhile back for the RPGMon tournament...  Kornell has 9600 HP (and the Iron Fist 7200 HP), but you should knock about 3000 off right away for Drak's Orb (there are no bosses later to save it for, you just got it, the game seems to encourage you to try it out).  So 6600 HP.  According to the stat topic, average PC damage is around 700.  700*4 = 2800, and (6600/2800) / 2.5 = .94 PCHP for those who use 2.5 rounds of damage for average HP.  Except...  Kornell fights with extremely noteworthy support in Violetta.  Since the Inverse Ninja Law actually applies in RPGs, I certainly give Kornell support credit, so that's more like 1.8 PCHP.
Kornell is, if you allow him double actions, going to go WOW / Buster for .7 PCHP damage or so, then starts going Megaton Punch / Buster for 1.1 PCHP damage a round (and cancels off the Buster, for those who let that do something, though the Buster is also lagging his turns a bit due to slow recharge time).  Dehuai has, according to the stat topic...  4.63 PCHP taking literally (!!!).  That sounds really high.  Okay, so it'll take 5 rounds to kill Dehuai if you use that number, 4 rounds if you use 4 PCHP or lower.  If you don't let Kornell double act, then it takes one WOW + 7 rounds of damage = 8 rounds total.
On Dehuai's side...  he's got a choice of an MT magic attack that might kill the Fist a round early, or his physical which does erratic damage due to the fact that he apparently sucks at the Judgment Ring.  Let's suppose he goes with the magic, since it his Kornell's eh resistance.  That does...  .326 PCHP damage, augmented to .36 PCHP against Kornell's resist.  His initiative is only Jet-style as far as moving first, not Tidus style as an "extra round" according to the stat topic.  So it takes Dehuai 3 rounds to kill Kornell if you don't give support credit, but 6 rounds to kill Kornell if you give him full credit.  The Iron Fist might not be there for the last round, so it could knock down Kornell's damage a bit (but not hugely, the Busters are still the main damage source).
Anyway, I definitely give Kornell the interpretations that he wants, and generally respect him more from in-game memories than Dehuai (He's tough, but that tough?!), so Kornell cleans up in 4 rounds and dies only after 5-6 (5 for not quite full support credit).  That's my math, at least.
Maria Traydor (SO3) vs Sabin Rene Figaro (FF6) - Bit of a coinflip.  Not inclined to give FF6 speed that much credit, but I suppose it works for initiative somewhat, and Sabin seems like the type able to avoid the full brunt of Energy Burst, and Bum Rush sure looks like it can get inside on Triple Kick easily enough.  Good match.

Middle and most of Light are eh, but one other match note:

Big Joe (XG) vs Hawkeye (FE7) - I'd just like to point out that Hawkeye doesn't want a Hand Axe here.  Why?  When the crowd throws stuff at Hawkeye, he'll have to counter them, and then he'll be disqualified.  But as long as he's smart enough to use a Silver Axe, he's probably good.

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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2009, 08:19:53 AM »
Godlike:

Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs) - Lenneth2 -does- have an argument, but... nah, I think Ghaleon just manages to overwhelm the healing here, especially considering it -does- take a decent bite out of Lenneth's offense.
Fujin (FF8) vs Valvalis (FF4) - God, Fujin, you really need a mercy kill.
Lulu (FFX) vs Van Grants (TotA) - Lulu has absolutely no trouble chipping through Van's unimpressive HP, and her evade makes a mockery out of nearly everything scary he has (not to mention he can't 2HKO Lulu with anything magical, so it's facing the evade or bust. This does -not- work well against Lulu). I find voting the other way sorta egregious given stacking chipping -and- massive evade against Van makes him fail kinda horribly.

Heavy:

Hugo (S3) vs Mario (SMRPG) - Hmmmm, yeah, leaning Hugo's way. ID, if nothing else.
Kornell (G3) vs Dehuai (SH1) - Durability difference is enough here.
Maria Traydor (SO3) vs Sabin Rene Figaro (FF6) - Yeah, I'd rather kneejerk against the paralysis being turn one here.

Middle:

Koromaru (Pers3) vs Guy (Lufia 2) - Oooooooooh, this is a neat match. With the evade+counter, Koro has a good chance to dodge turn one... but it's not necessarily enough. However, if Guy's speed is below 75% average, Guy lets Koro double... and then, the ID probably finishes the job by its third shot. So, Guy needs to kill before that double happens... or hit turn one or be above 75% average speed. Interesting. I'll mull ths over a bit.
Orlha (CC) vs Eliwood (FE7) - Orlha boss form hype falls on deaf ears here. Her durability fails, her damage is limit-bound (and that works SOOOOOOOOOOOOO WEEEEEEEEEELL off CC scrub boss durability) and she's hitting Eliwood's rather good evade here. The damage outside the spell isn't even special, so. PC form gets owned by the evade as well, and now has to contend with counters.
Colm (FE8) vs Charizard (PKMN) - Colms it up.

Light:

Camus (S2) vs Lino en Kuldes (S4) - Man, this is awful.
Razzly (CC) vs Miki (CC) - Razzly is rather horrible.
Dorcas (FE7) vs Louise (FE7) - Okay. First, paragraphs, since this is kind of a block.

So, Dorcas 2HKOs Louise. However, Louise also two-turns Dorcas, and he's in a disadvantage if he goes first, since now he can't try to get into countering strategies.

So, let's assume he goes last. He equips a Silver Bow against Louise to counter, then tries to finish her off with Silver Axe... buuuuuuuut Louise evade is decent (37% using 125 Hit) and Dorcas' accuracy is about average (0.3 below average with Silver Axe, actually, although it's 5.3 above with a Silver Bow).

This means that Louise, on average, is dodging turn two, which more or less makes the threat of a 2HKO difficult to stick, and if Dorcas tries a Silver Bow if he goes first, he dies first too. Dorcas evading doesn't seem to be a real risk, since his evade is bad and Louise accuracy is slightly above average. And, if you don't allow Silver Bow secondaries, things actually get worse: Dorcas may lose the 2HKO and...

*Looks at Louise durability.*

What the hell, 1.44? Christ, this is fucking awful. This means Dorcas 2HKOs with Iron weapons and has a chance to circumvent that dodge turn two. Which... actually, I'm not sure he does. I'm waiting on this match a bit, but this does not look too good for Louise.

Big Joe (XG) vs Hawkeye (FE7) - Big Joe.
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2009, 08:24:24 AM »
Eh, Fujin absorbs Wind, so if you see Weak as a wind attack, then she's better than fine.  If you see it as Gravity...  then Fujin has no resistance whatsoever, and FF8 does have Gravity resistance, so it's not just the beings that use it being awesome.

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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2009, 08:28:41 AM »
Eh, Fujin absorbs Wind, so if you see Weak as a wind attack, then she's better than fine.  If you see it as Gravity...  then Fujin has no resistance whatsoever, and FF8 does have Gravity resistance, so it's not just the beings that use it being awesome.

Wait, you mean that, even ignoring how Valvalis just outslugs Fujin with her awesome borderline 4HKO physicals, you could sensibly argue Fujin being hittable by Weak? In the words of that wise, weary vice-president: FAIL, FUJIN.
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2009, 08:29:36 AM »
Orlha (CC) vs Eliwood (FE7) - Orlha boss form hype falls on deaf ears here. Her durability fails, her damage is limit-bound (and that works SOOOOOOOOOOOOO WEEEEEEEEEELL off CC scrub boss durability) and she's hitting Eliwood's rather good evade here. The damage outside the spell isn't even special, so. PC form gets owned by the evade as well, and now has to contend with counters.

Boss Orlha is turn-based not limit-bound, and given how most of the similar bosses aren't penalized, not sure why should be either. Unless you mean the limit of her inability to spam her magic, except she only needs 1 2HKO Iceberg + 2HKO Punch Drunk to finish Eliwood off. That also means that she's ITE while having notable evasion herself. Granted, her durability is nothing special (Although certainly more useful for her divisions than say Miguel's is for his), but should be enough to get off the attacks she needs.
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2009, 08:33:50 AM »
Her durability is fine maybe if you fight her ASAP. I certainly wouldn't take her against that kind of party (ridiculously variable window where you can fight her, I tend to assume that she'll face a competent party rather than a weak one. Same applies for the likes of Godo), and the only memory I have of her is that she got downed in a round and a half while not even 2HKOing with anything (and hell, this was true in the like four playthroughs of CC I did). The fact that it's turn-unlocked only makes it worse unless it's turn one, given the fact she's not living longer than two of Eliwood's turns.

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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2009, 08:42:58 AM »
Godlike:
Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs)
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs Naesala (FE9)
Fujin (FF8) vs Valvalis (FF4)
Lulu (FFX) vs Van Grants (TotA): Has enough HP to get 2 of his 3 MAs off, and 1 of them's landing through that overrated evade of Lulu's. I don't think anyone's going to argue that she can tank an MA.

Heavy:
Hugo (S3) vs Mario (SMRPG)
Lang (LoL2) vs Mia (FE9): LoL2 magic doesn't 2HKO anything, ever, even in the dregs of light. 4 or 5 is probably a more reasonable guess against Mia. Physicals, of course, get Lang shredded by Vantage.
Kornell (G3) vs Dehuai (SH1)
Maria Traydor (SO3) vs Sabin Rene Figaro (FF6)

Middle:
Nina (BoF5) vs Pip (CC)
Orlha (CC) vs Eliwood (FE7): I'd scale that boss form to an endgame party since Orlha's an endgame PC. So... not much she can do here.
Colm (FE8) vs Charizard (PKMN): OHKOs with something or other, if I'm remembering Colm's RES right.

Light:
Meh.

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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2009, 08:50:47 AM »
Well, I guess you could take her as late as possible, which I can accept. I can always rail against a mainly pure SR fighter getting false-free counters against another SR fighter. Unless of course more people are going by the magic allowing, no-recharge averages! Otherwise Orlha has a 2HKO off above average speed.
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2009, 08:58:08 AM »
Lang (LoL2) vs Mia (FE9): LoL2 magic doesn't 2HKO anything, ever, even in the dregs of light. 4 or 5 is probably a more reasonable guess against Mia. Physicals, of course, get Lang shredded by Vantage.

Four of Lang's best spell (if he had the MP for it) is almost the same level of damage as the weakest MAs, and 5 of them is equal to the strongest MA.
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
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Energy Burst
X: 494*70 (34580) HP Damage, 99*70 (6930) MP Damage; hits 1 times per fury at level 0 up to a max of 2 times per fury at level 10; 500 HP, 30 Fury
O: 592*40 (23680) HP Damage, 118*40 (4720) MP Damage; hits 1 times per fury at level 0 up to a max of 2 times per fury at level 10; 10% HP, 60 Fury
*Inflicts paralysis at ~10% per hit

X Slot since Maria doesn't have to worry about Sabin triggering AAA - Maria starts with 100 Fury - 30 Fury to start off an Energy Burst - she has 70 fury left to work with - Energy Burst costs an extra one fury per tick - that's 70 hits at 10%  ... yeah. How exactly is Sabin avoiding this? This is *without* Berserk even. Hell if she's not hitting with paralysis :D
« Last Edit: March 07, 2009, 09:02:38 AM by Clear Tranquil »
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2009, 09:06:49 AM »
Godlike:
Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs): Lenneth is close, but in the end Ghaleon has a bit too much damage.
Luther Lansfeld (SO3) vs Naesala (FE9): Naesala can't deal with Perfect Symmetry at all. Or the doubleturn that accompanies it.
Fujin (FF8) vs Valvalis (FF4): Weakpoke.
Lulu (FFX) vs Van Grants (TotA): Man, I dunno. First of all, Lulu mocks MAs, her evade is certainly good enough. Problem is that Van does have low 2HKO magic, and he'll doubleturn  quickly enough... but then, Lulu has 0.86 mdur. That may be enough to drop Van to 3HKO (2400 -> 2086 damage). And if Van doesn't 3-2, he may be 3HKOed by Flare (with Lulu healing herself opening round). Feels like average of assumptions favours Lulu.

To Monkey, the form of Van that doesn't suck only has 2 MAs, and everyone in Godlike can dodge the second (25% mHP). If for some reason you want to vote on the form that sucks, the middle of the two MAs can't kill so it's irrelevant.

Heavy:
Hugo (S3) vs Mario (SMRPG): Mario either blocks sleep, and gets outslugged due to no Ghost Medal, or fails to block sleep and gets handled by that. ID is also possible.
Lang (LoL2) vs Mia (FE9): I dunno. Kneejerk is Lang - he's certainly the better dueller - but Mia and her Vantage nonsense may prove to be a spoiler here.
Kornell (G3) vs Dehuai (SH1): May start allowing bosses all parts soon, but I'm not there yet. So for now: Kornell's more of a Middle.
Maria Traydor (SO3) vs Sabin Rene Figaro (FF6): Could see going either way with paralysis calls here (I've used full Energy Bursts with Berserk, they're not 100%), so I'll vote for the one I consider a better Heavy and the one who creates a more interesting week 3 match. If someone wants to provide numbers for why I should reconsider, please do.

Middle:
Nina (BoF5) vs Pip (CC): Yawn.
Orlha (CC) vs Eliwood (FE7): Meh, later, stupid CC.
Colm (FE8) vs 3-Charizard (PKMN): Charizard doesn't OHKO much of anything.

Light:
Camus (S2) vs Lino en Kuldes (S4): Boom.
Razzly (CC) vs Miki (CC): Better.
Dorcas (FE7) vs Louise (FE7): What Snow said seems correct, too lazy to crunch details right now.
Big Joe (XG) vs Hawkeye (FE7)
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2009, 09:12:27 AM »
Did you use it against the randoms with fail SA resistance NEB? What is Sabin's SA (status abnormality resistance) exactly? If he doesn't have any then yeah it's hitting.
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2009, 09:19:18 AM »
I'd see Sabin as having average SO3 enemy status resistance, not 0 or anything like that, from what I recall of the game's system there (the numbers for status resistance were distributed all over the place).

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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2009, 09:23:32 AM »
Arguably somewhat below average given the subpar Mblock?
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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2009, 09:26:07 AM »
No, I mean above average because any MBlock is better than zero.

Really, you know by now what my opinion on that is. I don't see any reason to have this argument again.

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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2009, 12:08:19 PM »
Godlike:
Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs) - Given my HP (dis)respect, need to calc this out.
Fujin (FF8) vs Valvalis (FF4) - . . . lemme think.

Heavy:
Hugo (S3) vs Mario (SMRPG) - Pretty badly.
Maria Traydor (SO3) vs Sabin Rene Figaro (FF6) - Aaaand I need to think on ARPGs a bit here. Cute match either way.

Middle:
Nina (BoF5) vs Pip (CC) - BUT BUT PIP RESISTS ID WITH DARK/BLACK INNATE
Koromaru (Pers3) vs Guy (Lufia 2) -  Guy can't pump out the damage fast enough! Doesn't matter too much, Nina uses Mimic: Steamroller, but.
Orlha (CC) vs Eliwood (FE7) - I remember her being pretty accurate/fast. Good enough? ...mmm...feh. Cognitive dissonance with DL here. Thinking.
Colm (FE8) vs 3-Charizard (PKMN) - Should 2HKO and I don't see Colm getting around it? Cute match, I'd need to look at it to make sure, but kneejerk is this way.

Light:
Razzly (CC) vs Miki (CC) - Not thinking about it.
Dorcas (FE7) vs Louise (FE7) - Following Snow on this one, I can't be arsed to wade through the topic and math something out.

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Re: Season 50, Week 1
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2009, 01:38:02 PM »
Godlike:
Fujin (FF8) vs Valvalis (FF4) - Even without the gravity weakness, I have like no respect for Fujin's durability or damage anyway.

Heavy:
Lang (LoL2) vs Mia (FE9) - As far as I'm concerned, in-game, if a FE character attacks and it's not a killing blow, they're getting countered on their turn.  If they want the privileges without fighting someone that can do the same thing (another FE character, Disgaea characters), then they're taking a durability penalty.  Not like I can legally vote, but I'm thinking Lang wins here.

Middle:
Orlha (CC) vs Eliwood (FE7) - Rooting for Orlha.
Colm (FE8) vs 3-Charizard (PKMN) - Rooting for Charizard.  Why the hell is there so much FE in here, anyway?  (Don't answer that.)

Light:
Camus (S2) vs Lino en Kuldes (S4) - If Lino could equip Shields, he could've possibly maybe had an argument.  The reason I bring this up?  Dragon Set.