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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #400 on: April 01, 2009, 01:02:34 AM »
Yeah, I dropped the ball a bit.  Twice when I was posting (which was late at night), hammer fell before I posted.  And then day 3 ended before I got back from work (the hammer fell on day 1 and day 3 while I was making posts...gah, and day 2 I hurriedly posted in between running home and running to clinic).  I got a student last minute for this rotation, which made an assload of changes to my previously thought to be free schedule.  So yeah, my stupidity on that was awful, though I still stand by investigating what I did when I did. 

I think the final conclusion is OK should not play mafia, since his schedule is never conducive.  Oh well.  It was fun to watch. 
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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #401 on: April 01, 2009, 01:54:18 AM »
I was wondering why scum killed me. But now I see who was responsible and question no more.

Honestly, my enthusiasm for this game was shot the second I saw my role. Regular bus driver survivor would've been interesting. Omni-insane-whatever bus driver survivor? Really? Come on, there's no way to exploit that! My own role has a non-trivial chance of killing me and there's nothing I can do about it, as opposed to regular driver where I can at least try and second-guess scum! I have to ask why this thing existed.

I didn't have a clue whether or not snowfire was scum, and stuck with him simply because I was too lazy to come up with a real case.
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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #402 on: April 01, 2009, 02:46:09 AM »
Reading this for the first time....

There were three scum left alive on the last day, and one townie. And town won. Because it was Pokémafia, and the townie was Meeple.

In hindsight, was there any other possible outcome?
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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #403 on: April 01, 2009, 03:09:11 AM »
'Tom being Tom'? I picked out 3/4 scum on day 1, and I was pretty damn sure about Alex and Excal thankyou very much  :P

- Snow's claim felt very believable because I had a similar role, and I didn't see why he would make the One-shot claim unless it was true (I didn't know at that time that most roles were one-shot).
- Tom immediately believed Snow's claim, and I was pretty sure it was for the same reason as me. So that basically cleared him for me as well. The way Alex attacked him nonetheless caught my attention as well.
That was almost it.
I was a one-shot watcher, so when I saw him claim one-shot tracker, it wasn't a big step to assume "watcher/tracker one-shot pair!"

I was pretty sure Bard was town and was going to be targetted that night (which he was, by roleblock)! Oh the irony of watching the doc protecting me get roleblocked whilst I get NKed...

Interesting game, something a bit different. It turned out to be role-madness (I'm honestly surprised town won, go Meep) but it was still fun, so GG.

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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #404 on: April 01, 2009, 03:27:51 AM »
I still want to know why on Earth you would put someone you practically had role confirmation was town at L-1.


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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #405 on: April 01, 2009, 03:38:20 AM »
Bloody hell. That was before he claimed!

Why do people believe Alex's lies, even now ;-;

Edit: And yes, I did say that in my defence, but people ignore my perfectly legitimate defences.
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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #406 on: April 01, 2009, 04:01:47 AM »
Bwahahahaha

In retrospect, with Alex having rolecopped me early and me just falling neatly in step, I could probably have sailed on to victory via scum win... Alas.
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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #407 on: April 01, 2009, 06:34:47 AM »
Because it was my "lie", Tom.  If it makes you feel better, you were the only Townie that we killed for being a townie.  Everyone else we killed we killed because we figured they were Team Aqua, who we figured would be the larger threat to us (oddly enough, we were right.  Only OK actually caused us any inconvenience from town).  As opposed to the Rolecopping, where we copped them because we figured they were Townies that wouldn't be lynched or night killed too soon.  Naturally, not a one of them survived that long after our rolecopping.  And Rat truly was a shame.  You had better believe that Team Magma mourned Rat's passing.  Even more so after we found out he was third party.

I also find it amusing that the two things that people found scummy about my behaviour were, well...  things I'd have done as Town.  Hell, I'd probably have been more aggressive about not lynching Alex if I had been town and not worried about being tied to him.  After all, better to at least have some say over how things end than to just leave it to a night time crapshoot.  Especially when the operating logic isn't Meeple's if I want to win I need to do this, but instead if the other guy wants to kill me, I'm screwed anyways.  So since I can't control whether or not I win, I might as well focus on what I can control.  Namely, who do I want to lose.

Snow, I can appreciate that you did find scum on Day 1.  In fact, there may have been reasoning there that wasn't OMGUS.  But notice the fact that even after you flipped nobody paid any attention to your arguments.  Also, that the fact that you flipped Town didn't really cause any rush to look at the people you named scum either.  Hell, it took a cop claim to do that, and even then the cop was seen as scummier until he actually flipped.  Take a look at why people thought the way they did, and learn from that.

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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #408 on: April 01, 2009, 07:09:42 AM »
Excal: Chatted with you over IRC on this, but while I've said myself I messed up in presentation on Day 1, I'm not going to feel sorry at all about the later days.  I won't make any illusions that my arguments had anything approaching a "conviction" on Day 1, I still was not entirely sure myself.  Days 2, 3, and 4 were all colored by copclaims, so Day 1 arguments should have been downplayed, mine included.  I do stand by my much mocked-logic about Sylon being town, though. 

(Also, I can at least take some solace that only 2/6 of my voters were townies (though you've a point that had you been town, you likely would have voted me anyway).)

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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #409 on: April 02, 2009, 06:13:13 PM »
...Man. I didn't actively follow this one (just checked in on day endings/beginnings), but two scum killing each other on the final night, leaving Meeple the only survivor? That is awesome.

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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #410 on: April 02, 2009, 06:29:20 PM »
If Rat had been alive at the end, that would have been even more awesome, if a bit annoying with the randomness of course.

Also, rat, I only killed you because Xanth told me to. I wanted to kill Bard night one.
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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #411 on: April 02, 2009, 07:43:59 PM »
Why the hate, man? I've consistently protected and safe-guarded you every mafia game here and -that- is how you repay me?

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« Reply #412 on: April 02, 2009, 07:47:42 PM »
Every minute of this game was designed to stress me out. Given that we were supposedly 'secret', I was expecting us to be a less powerful faction than Magma, so had to maintain a really daft balance to maintain myself against both town and Magma. Kilga gets Most Awesome Person award for keeping me sane, as what really frustrated me was getting constantly hit for stuff I would have done either way (I spent most of my time scum hunting) and having my arguments ignored out of hand. I stand by every last thing I said on the matters at the time (Meeple's day 2 case on me in particular was rageworthy), and would have gone crazy by now had it not been for Kilga hitting the right buttons. I'm only surprised that the decisive blow against me (Excal rolecopping me) was from being balanced too far towards town than scum.

It's all good now. Water under the bridge and all that.

My plan for the game was always doomed to failure, as it had been for me to go down in flames relatively early on, taking a Magma member out with me if one hadn't already gone, and have Delta trained to act sufficiently well to pull out the win at the end on the basis that people overlook him far too much. Unfortunately for this plan, Delta was ill for practically the whole time and we were barely in contact enough to get the NK out in time, let alone discuss long term tactics, I didn't account for Delta's scum tells to be quite so apparent, and as well as I thought I had attached myself to Alex, who I actually suspected of being Magma a fair bit (albeit hardly sure, and I had nothing on Excal), and thought he'd go down if I did, he very neatly saw through that and axed the link directly. I'd hoped to make it to day 3 before overbalancing, but hey.

Rat: I was looking for the cop, who at that point I still expected to have multiple shots. I'd harbored really irrational beliefs that Bardiche was the cop (but not attacking anyone on the basis of a scan) that started when he used the phrase 'cop out'  (I know I know I know I know) and grew in a hideous paranoid twist over the day, but convinced myself by the end of the day that it wasn't actually likely. I know you've been quieter in the last few games, but you best fit the profile I was looking for, with the off-chance that you might have been Magma as well, which tweaked it over the other choices.

Bard ninja: for what little it's worth, I never told Delta about my paranoid idea about you being cop, so his rationale is unrelated to the above (this is the first I've heard of him wanting to kill you night 1).

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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #413 on: April 02, 2009, 07:51:12 PM »
Wait, what did I do? >_>


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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #414 on: April 02, 2009, 08:00:02 PM »
I'm not actually angry, just curious.

And man I was trying to tread the thin line of feigning madness while keeping my sanity except I was majorly stressed out for the entire game until Alex was like HO STOP BREAK TIME.

Which I appreciate man because like, yeah. My family dropped a BAD NEWS BOMB right in the middle of Mafia but I was like MUST CONTINUES THE PLAYS because that's what real manly men do so my kill really worked out for me except that I had plotted and am rambling on now.

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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #415 on: April 02, 2009, 11:53:09 PM »
Well, yeah. Xanth told me to Kill you first, then switched his mind to Rat.

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Re: PokeMafia - Day 4
« Reply #416 on: April 03, 2009, 05:33:01 PM »
Comp troubles are moooostly over now... I think?  Maybe?  Sort of?

Anyhow, good game all around, was very fun.

Town caught a lot of really bad breaks early on with no crosskills and modkills and timing and everything.  The deaths really put them out of the actual gameplay, mostly.  Setup wasn't kind to them either, since most people blew all their one shot abilities early on and had nothing for the lategame.  Turned out not to matter, but

Aqua... well, we basically screwed ourselves out of a win by not believing Delta could really be the other Aqua, so.

OK vs me was pretty bullet-sweating all the way.  He mentioned time issues, but really I think what sunk him there was tacking on the charges of me lying about shots and trying to direct Meeple.  That allowed me to run a lot of hustle on him.