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Re: Touhou Mafia - Main Topic
« Reply #750 on: January 24, 2008, 12:41:19 AM »
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« Reply #751 on: January 24, 2008, 12:43:20 AM »
Okay, reading over Nitori's posts, the thing that stands out most is on Day 1, where...uh, yeah, I'm not liking the voting pattern one bit. He's a charter member of the Strago lynch train and calls it a lurker vote but only pulls off after Tom's cop claim - and in the same post announces his intent to hammer Tom. Except for Tonfa and Andrew/Excal, every single person he voiced serious suspicion of on Day 2 has flipped town (and not just the ones we lynched) - and, like Yakko said, if Andycal is a third party, the scum want him dead as much as town - hell, probably more.

He's been on board each of the lynches so far, throwing a serious vote at Strago late, hitting Mia mid-late, and being in favor of killing QR over Tai more or less from the start of Day 3. He's also been lurky in a Nitori-like fashion, not hugely shocking but also not a point in his favor. Also he seems a bit fixated on the possibility that both were telling the truth, which would be self-evident to scum.

Corwin stuff in next post, want to get this out there though.
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« Reply #752 on: January 24, 2008, 12:44:26 AM »
Except I have been participating so I'm not sure what he's talking about. My thoughts on the situation have been clearly outlined in previous posts, and without new information to process, there's no reason for me to reiterate what I have to say just so I can raise my post count.
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Re: Touhou Mafia - Main Topic
« Reply #753 on: January 24, 2008, 12:45:55 AM »
Let's Play Danmaku Detective Game! Vote Count:

Tonfa (1): Halbarad
Corwin (2): Yakumo, Nitori, Gatewalker, Yakumo, El Cideon
Excal (1): Otter, Ran, Ciato
Alex/Ran (1): Excal
Ciato (1): Shale, OblivionKnight
Nitori (6): Otter, Carthrat, Smodge, Corwin, Tonfa, Taishyr

Love Count:

Chen (2): Yukari, Ran
Everybody (2): Taishyr, El Cideon
Marisa (2): Arisu, Ran
QuietRain (1): OblivionKnight

Discipline Count:

Ran (1): Yukari

With 16 people still alive, 9 votes is a majority.

About 4.25 hours to go, so you better make up your minds soon. If people want to start sending me night actions, that'd be great.


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« Reply #754 on: January 24, 2008, 12:52:53 AM »
*sigh*  I never intended to say that OK should watch anyone in particular, I was hoping Corwin was still around, I'm not sure when he's here but I've seen him post while I was at the library before.  Apparently he wasn't, so we've just got to go with what evidence we've got.

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« Reply #755 on: January 24, 2008, 12:53:58 AM »
So uh speaking of not being around, friendly neighborhood callout:  Hal has not posted since here, right when Nitori/Cor started and hasn't commented on it at all. 



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« Reply #756 on: January 24, 2008, 12:58:20 AM »
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Gate... same, vaguely. Not as 100% on this, but... mrgh, I dunno here.

My character's unmemorableness is rubbing off on me, I swear. Tai, you're the third person to make note of me being "uuhhhh" without any specifics. Well, you do say my content, at least. What about it? Just like I said to Ciato and Tonfa, if you've got any questions, want to hear me take a stance on anything in particular, just let me know. I'm doing the best I can to respond to anything directed towards me, but it's really hard to respond to "uuhhhh, Gate's kinda weird?" and such, y'know?

Anyway, I should probably come down with a vote as this will lilkely be my last post before deadline.

With both Nitori and Corwin figured by OK as potential scum, and both claiming the same role(quack issues notwithstanding), it comes down to behaviour. Corwin has come down strong on a pro-town issue(anti-rolefishing) and even if he may have been a bit overboard on it at times, at least he's taking stances and getting involved when he's around. Nitori has pretty much lurked. Fingered by a watcher + LAL = ##Vote:Nitori

Also, whargle to Excal.

And with that, I'm out for the night folks.
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« Reply #757 on: January 24, 2008, 01:06:16 AM »
Alright, I've got to be heading out to work soon, so, no way I'm going to be caught up.  Hell, no way I'm going to be able to sound moderately coherant.

That said, I have noticed a few things.  I came across one of Ciato's rants.  It looks...  remarkably similar to the one she gave at the end of FFT, so I'd honestly be willing to give her a pass because I'm not sure she can act well enough to put emotion like that in if she were knowledgable of what's going on behind the scenes.

Secondly, while I'm not sure about Alex.  I'm also not going to leave a vote on him when I don't know the reasons just because he was gunning for my predicessor.  So, given that it really does look like we've got a confirmed bead on, well...  someone.  I'll follow the crowd here and give a vote to Nitori.

On a side note.  I still haven't found what I've been most interested in.  What Andrew said about my role.  So, I'll just say what I need to make things clear.

I am a ninja.  This means that I get to, OPG, flip out and kill someone.  Apparently the someone in this case was Quiet Rain, which is a bloody shame.  She's a good thinker and dangerous player.  It also means that my ninja stealth means that I am one with the night, and untouchable in its embrace.  Seeing as that's already been drawn out, I've got no problems with it being mentioned again in more explicit terms here and now.

Regardless, I need to go now, and will not return before day ends.  So, farewell, and we'll meet again when the sun rises once more.

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Re: Touhou Mafia - Main Topic
« Reply #758 on: January 24, 2008, 01:08:41 AM »
Warning: Nitori is one vote away from lynch!


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« Reply #759 on: January 24, 2008, 01:12:31 AM »
Corwin. Is the first person to highlight how quickly vote trains pile up in this game, here:
As a side note, the quickness votes piled on here is a bit unnerving, but possibly just day 1 stuff, given there are no targets in sight so far aside from the usual slow posters/lurkers.

He says frequently on Day 1 that Tom seems to be just a townie playing poorly, but votes him anyway, claiming there's no better candidate and no reason to think Tom will shape up later. Makes an argument in favor of lynching bad players even if it doesn't catch scum, particularly as a way to get rid of smokescreens that protect lurkers. Stick on the Tom vote after the cop claim. Minor derailment on OK "speculating on town roles" leaves a bad taste in my mouth, as I still think it's self-evident that that wasn't what happened. But it dropped quickly, so eh.

Posts less day 2, but what he does post has a rather absurd word count and not much of it is fluff, so at the least there's no lurker argument. Comes out strongly against the Mia lynch, and gives good reasons for it. Gets into the entire Andrew thing, in part with Confirmed Townie™ Taishyr. He goes after the point too doggedly for my tastes when most of what he quotes could apply to conflicting investigation results, not a flat roleclaim like Tom made.

More coming, but I just checked the thread and the kappa is at -1, so I want to get something out before hammer.
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« Reply #760 on: January 24, 2008, 01:21:24 AM »
Nitori: Doc powers couldn't effect Andrew(Excal? Fuck it, Sakuya) because of his claimed immunity to such powers. There were two NK attempts last night, if we believe Sakuya; did you or did you not receive information saying that your doc attempt had failed? By omission, I'm going to assume you didn't.

Therefore you WOULD, unlike OK, have some kind of kill-power (given that OK said he got blocked as a watcher somehow. Sakuya-san~ can you confirm whether or not people using roles on you would get messages to this effect or not? Andrew hasn't weighed in and both OK and Cor have said they would get such things, so.. this could clear things up!)

Meanwhile, Cor couldn't penetrate that, so presumably your kill went through and Sakuya dodged it. But then there's the kill on Chisa to consider.

Chisa strikes me as an odd NK target. However, his flip- martyr- implies that he sacrifices himself, probably very similarily to a bodyguard role. I can't be certain on this but I think it's really likely to be true. Therefore, he took himself out and it's probable that he did so to protect another.

Who? Well, honestly, I was thinking that Sakuya had two kill attempts against her, but rereading his posts earlier- he only saw/dodged one. So... I think there were indeed two kill attempts last night; one for Sakuya (possibly from you or Cor, but I'm thinking you) and one to someone else, who Chisa decided to protect. It may also be that Chisa WAS NK'd, but I just find him a really unlikely target (he was seeming kind of bad to me, he wasn't exactly a strong, argumentative townie, he hadn't claimed and Sakuya had, etc. etc.)

What you flip as may well shed some light on things. It could be killdoc, but... I think it's more likely to be scum. Regular/ineffectual doc is still possible and will likely lead me after Cor, but killdoc is going to take me to a very different place. Where? I don't want to speculate on this too much until tomorrow, but suffice to say that if this is true, I'm going to be wondering where the night 1 scumkill actually went, and I'll be significantly less suspicious of Cor than I would be if you flipped regular doc. (And yes, I know we don't necessarily find out information on flip. We'll just have to wait and see.)

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On Cor.. urgh. I just don't know. I really don't feel like I should buy that he would target Tom with a docshot, not with how he was talking about him before and after the fact. But he explained that it might be possible? If you're voting for someone, then it seems unlikely that you'd doc them, but he DID claim cop, and using up a docshot is something of a crapshoot anyway- I can see him reconciling Tom playing badly with Tom still being town (I mean, he said a couple of times on day 1 that he DID think Tom was town.)

I'm gonna stick with Nitori anyway mainly on the basis of Cor's other posts looking more solid and contentful than Nitori's. Argument from lurkering again.

So... anyone for hammering? Anything else we want to discuss before night?
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« Reply #761 on: January 24, 2008, 01:24:12 AM »
There's always the possibility that there's a vig who killed Chisa thinking he was scum too. Or it could have been Andrew fibbing, which I mentioned earlier.
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« Reply #762 on: January 24, 2008, 01:25:00 AM »
Too meaning "like I did" in that context.
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« Reply #763 on: January 24, 2008, 01:25:37 AM »
Reading his Day 3 votes, I'm not really seeing anything I can tear down there, and he speaks up a suspicious of Smodge, who has also caught my eye recently. Votes QR, pointing to her claim being worse-timed than Tai's and less believable, both of which I find hard to fault since I said the same things. More or less a wash with Nitori's own Day 3 views, except he goes to a lot more pains to back them up. I tend to agree with Rat here; Cor just has more content in his favor, and given a choice between the two, LAL alone points heavily at Nitori.

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« Reply #764 on: January 24, 2008, 01:25:49 AM »
I will confirm that I received no mention of my doc protect on Andy failing.
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« Reply #765 on: January 24, 2008, 01:28:56 AM »
Excal, Andrew claimed one shot of 50% immunity to nightkills, and permanent 100% immunity to all other night actions.  Is this correct, whenever you get to answer?

-1, and no realistic chance of getting people to go for Excal/Andrew now.  Blah.  I'm leaning towards Nitori myself, but... not sure, not nearly enough to hammer him unless it's absolutely necessary. 

I'd like to talk with Excal more, but he's gone.  I'd like to talk with Cor, but he's apparently gone. 

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« Reply #766 on: January 24, 2008, 01:37:09 AM »
I'd like to wait for Corwin myself, except judging from previous days there's not much chance of him getting back before deadline brings the hammer down for us.
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« Reply #767 on: January 24, 2008, 01:47:14 AM »
There's always the possibility that there's a vig who killed Chisa thinking he was scum too. Or it could have been Andrew fibbing, which I mentioned earlier.

I'm strongly considering the latter possibility, myself. It fits with Andrew/Excal possibly being third-party, as such a statement would (and clearly has, judging by the amount of debate over what actually happened during night two) sow massive confusion amongst the other players. This is always good for someone not aligned with the town. Although I think Alex overstresses the likelihood of Andy being a dangerous third-party, it is a distinct possibility that I'll look into on day four.

Right now...I don't know if there's anything I can add that matters at this point. It's been a tiring and tiresome day and I want it to end. "We're all waiting for the hammer to faaallll!" [/Freddie Mercury] So, I'm ready when you lot are.

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« Reply #768 on: January 24, 2008, 02:02:43 AM »
Gah the stupid WIFOM, now i see why you guys dislike thinking along circular logic.

Here has what i have been thinking
Hypothetically lets assume Nitori IS a quackdoc
Night 2 would probably look like this (if Andrew is telling the truth)
Chisa Protects Andrew
Mafia target Andrew
Chisa takes the hit.
Nitori "Docs" Andrew
Andrew dodges the kill.

Now here is the Hypothetical where Corwin is the Doc and Nitori the scum
Corwin Targets Andrew.
Chisa Targets Andrew.
Scum Target Andrew with a possible doc buster
Chisa Takes the Docbust
another 3rd party target Andrew?.......

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« Reply #769 on: January 24, 2008, 02:05:12 AM »
just wanted to get that out there before Hammer.

The only way for Corwin to be telling the truth is if there is a 2nd kill Night2, the question is IF there was a 2nd kill, then where was it night 1?.

Nitori however is possible it explains why there is only 1 kill night 1, and 2 possible ones night 2.

This is all Assuming Andrew/Excal is telling the truth.

Excal AND Nitori lying, or just Corwin?

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« Reply #770 on: January 24, 2008, 02:08:57 AM »
From their post content i would think Nitori scum.

But the possibility of Corwin being a Doc it means there would have to be 2 nightkills which there wasn't night 1, so i'm going with the actions that make night 2 make sense to me instead of what post content would show.

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« Reply #771 on: January 24, 2008, 02:14:28 AM »
##Unvote: Corwin
##Vote:Nitori

Just noticed, IF andrew is immune to all night actions, Chisa couldn't Martyr for him.
Therefore the Corwin being Doc theory has to work.

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« Reply #772 on: January 24, 2008, 02:18:51 AM »
That's...an interesting leap of logic, but okay.

Last call. Anybody else got a post they're working on?
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« Reply #773 on: January 24, 2008, 02:20:09 AM »
Warning: Nitori is one vote away from lynch!


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« Reply #774 on: January 24, 2008, 02:25:27 AM »
lol this is what happens when i don't think things through properly.
Basically neither of those theories about night 2 work now except there HAS to have been 2 kills if Andrew was being truthful.
So because i can't analyze night 2 to work out who is sucm, i'm reverting back to Post content from Ntori/Corwin, and when it comes to the content Nitori looks scummier.