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[Smodge13]

Smodge... has disappeared since the shitstorm, hasn't he?

Sorry i said 18 hours which turned into 24.
Just woke up i got back at midnight last night and had legal issues to deal with so didnt have time to post before bed.
Reading things now, Tom greatly disturbs me at the moment.

[Shale]

QR: If you're not going to vote Tom, Strago is pretty much the only thing going. I'm sure there's scum on the train, but mainly because there's going to be scum on just about any train ever, especially Day 1.

Also, while I've already said I don't see a great case for Tom, I also get a weird vibe from Alex's strong...well, not defense of him, precisely, but caution-urging. I figured we'd get a "don't trust roleclaims too much" post, personally, and this is almost the opposite. If a cop claim is all it takes to call off the hounds on Day 1, I suspect we're going to see a lot more of them in the future.

[Ranmilia]

The way I've always played mafia and will continue to play mafia is to vote for the person who seems scummiest.  I will not give a free pass to scummy behavior because someone yells cop.  Tom's ability to smokescreen the scum with his behavior has cost us in previous games and it's already begun here.  So, my vote will stay until someone seems scummier to me than him.

And... you don't think trying to hammer someone claiming cop day one is scummy?  o_O

[Smodge13]

Okay, i haven't read too much in depth but have gotten the jist of things.
Personally i don't believe Tom's claim and think he's scum trying to cling to life (just think, scum knows his neck is on the chopping block, so could claim something like cop/doc to get out of it, if the real cop/doc came out and contested it, well he/she wouldn't live until morning). This however is pure gut so i guess i won't vote for him.

i can see it this way (im sure one of you will correct whatever flaws are here)
IF he IS a cop tomorow he will have info on at least 1 person, or be Dead/Roleblocked.
Us knowing he is the cop we can use his information from the start.
IF he IS scum, well hey, he's going to need to get a right investigation within the next few days. So if he offers a scum buddy to help prove his innocence well then hey at least we got 1 scum out of it, OR investigation turns up someone who is supposedly innocent and then that means we get 1 more person in town who is innocent.
Or he claims a scumbuddy is innocent, but the thing is whichever person is called out by Tom will be under the knife at almost all times because we tend to not believe him, so if they are scum, someone would probably pick it up pretty quickly.

[QuietRain]

And... you don't think trying to hammer someone claiming cop day one is scummy?  o_O

Can it look scummy?  Yes.  Am I willing to take the chance to prove that I believe him to be wrong?  Yes.  Because I don't play on Team QR.  I play on Team Town.  And if it causes my death to prove that I believe it that strongly, then so be it.  I certainly hope not and I will continue to play with the same fervor I always have.  I do NOT BELIEVE that Tom is an asset to town with the way that he plays IF HE IS town.  If he is not town, the point only means more.  Right now, no one appears more scummy to me than Tom regardless of his roleclaim.  

Can you give me one good reason to give someone who seems so scummy in his playstyle a free pass because he says cop right before deadline?

QR: If you're not going to vote Tom, Strago is pretty much the only thing going. I'm sure there's scum on the train, but mainly because there's going to be scum on just about any train ever, especially Day 1.

Also, while I've already said I don't see a great case for Tom, I also get a weird vibe from Alex's strong...well, not defense of him, precisely, but caution-urging. I figured we'd get a "don't trust roleclaims too much" post, personally, and this is almost the opposite. If a cop claim is all it takes to call off the hounds on Day 1, I suspect we're going to see a lot more of them in the future.

I conceed this, but here is my lgoic:

ASSUME TOM IS SCUM: The first chance that someone suggests caution and a landslide vote on someone else saves one of their own.

ASSUME TOM IS TOWN: Scum see thier chance to lynch one townie fail, they will jump onto the next most likely candidate.

[Ranmilia]

Missed reading Shale there.  I will indeed agree that claiming cop day 1 is enough to call off the hounds.  The risk of losing a real cop, especially at the start of the game before they've even had a chance to make and breadcrumb investigations, and especially on day 1 cases - and a day 1 case that isn't even better than usual in this case, we were basically defaulting to "lynch the worst player!" - is just far too great.  I don't really see how this is controversial.  I play on Team Town, too, and I like cops.  I like cops a lot. 

Would someone kindly enlighten me as to why you are so incredibly convinced Tom is scum as to take this risk?

[VySaika]

Kilga doesn't seem to be around, and I think it's time for one, so....

Unofficial Votecoute:

Taishyr (0): Shale
Otter (0): Strago, Yakumo, , OblivionKnight, Halbarad, Gatewalker, EvilTom, Taishyr
Shale (0): Yakumo
Yakumo (0): Gatewalker
Strago (8): , patchcloud, Nitori, Gatewalker, AndrewRogue, El Cideon, EvilTom, Anonymous, Ran, Ciato, Nitori, Chisa
Gatewalker (0): QuietRain
AndrewRogue (0): Sir Alex, Corwin, Chisa, Gatewalker, QuietRain, patchcloud
Nitori (1): El Cideon, Yakumo, Taishyr
Corwin (0): Halbarad, Carthrat
Smodge13 (0): EvilTom, Carthrat, Tonfa
El Cideon (0): Chisa
EvilTom (8): Smodge13, Ran, Chisa, Otter, QuietRain, Corwin, Halbarad, Yakumo, Tonfa, Carthrat, Strago
Chisa (0): Tonfa
Ciato (0): patchcloud
OblivionKnight (0): El Cideon
QuietRain (0): AndrewRogue
Tonfa (1): OblivionKnight, Ciato
patchcloud(2): Shale, Andrew

Love Count:

Chen (2): Ran, Yukari
Strago (0): OblivionKnight
Everyone (1): Taishyr
Work-Interrupting Snow (1): El Cideon
Mokou (1): Kaguya
Ran (1): Yukari
Nitori (1): Nitori

With 21 people alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch.

Here's hoping I didn't miss anything. Someone smack me if I have, please.

[QuietRain]

'So incredibly convinved that Tom is scum'

I have said nothing of the sort.  It's Day freaking 1.  I'm not convinced anyone is scum at this point.  If I were, it would be because it was so blatantly obvious that everyone would agree and we'd have lynched said person long ago.  I said he is the most scummiest.

Do I have my doubts that he's scum?  Yes.  But do I give those doubts credence on the basis of a last minute 'please don't kill me I have a role' despite so many scum tells that it's just sad?  I'm not going to re-iterate each one.  I think that my huge sum up post 140 went over my thoughts on him and everything that I had a problem with did not magickally go away because he said the magic word cop.

Am I going to kick myself if he turns out to be one?  Of course I am.  But I have to choose the scummiest person, not the one with the best sense of timing.

[Smodge13]

Ok, out of time again, will have low post count today.
I'll vote just before deadline if at all probably revert to LaL.

[QuietRain]

And in re-reading that comment, the last line didn't read like I meant it to read.  What I was trying to say is that just because someone has a good sense of timing, it does not negate the fact that I find them the scummiest person.  We're using Day 1 criteria here which is always a cr**-shoot at best.  The fact that we ever hit scum Day 1 is a testament to pure luck or gross bad play by the scum in question.  It has nothing to do with our ability to ferret them out.

So, I will wait for someone to break the tie one way or the other or for Kilga to pull out the random choice to see which dies, but I will not change my vote off of the person who seems the scummiest to me.

[AndrewRogue]

I'm going to be clear here. This is a bad time to lynch someone calling out as cop, and I will stop the lynch if it comes to that. And yes, that is a threat, and no, I won't elaborate further at this point. I'm just laying it out there. I will defend Tom at this point, and at the end, nobody will be happy.

We risk killing a cop when waiting one day could give us evidence to the contrary.

This isn't just bad play, it is outright stupid at this point in the game.

[VySaika]

Alright, having made my unofficial votecount, it's time for me to actually vote.

At this point in time, a vote for someone besides Tom or Strago isn't going to mean much. If I had genuine suspicions of someone else, I'd probably lay down the votage on them anyway, but I don't. So, I need to choose between the two.

Tom...could be the cop. As I said before, my gut says he is what he says he is. My head says he's desperate and lieing. Then again, while I was reading random mafia the other day, my head had been sayign all along that Alex was scum and he turned up town. My head's been wrong lately. My gut...time to give it another shot, I think.

Strago, you lurked for awhile, came in to make a case on Tom that is now getting picked at. And...that's really it. I've got no real read on you, but you're not the one who could be the cop. Sorry man, but I've got to ##Vote:Strago. You'll forgive me if I hope you're a scumbucket pushing for a cop lynch.

[Sierra]

Do note that I haven't read up on the past two pages yet. It took me a good forty-five minutes to catch up on half of what you people said while I was at work today. But we're nearing the deadline here and I wanted to have my thoughts down at least in incomplete form before the day ended.

Anyway, ##Unvote Strago first off. I've seen what I wanted from him for the moment.

Buuut the reason that it dominates discussion in all these games is because we allow it to. I think it's just as much 'bad play' to overreact to harmless things as anything. Step back and analyze just how scummy you think the person is instead of trying to cruicify them for minor mistakes. The fact that everyone takes what he says to this overblown level means that maybe we should take in account the personlities of the lynchee before we railroad them. Just my thoughts on the matter.

Ciato summarizes my thoughts on the present Tom debacle pretty nicely. There's something to be said for taking things in context. I've seen Tom in several games and he pretty much does act the same way. This isn't a pass, or a suggestion to just ignore him. I'm just saying that after a while it seems like a better approach to think "How does this behavior seem unusual for this particular individual?" It's metagaming, yes, but with a closed group like this, that's nearly impossible to avoid. What I see here is the usual day one Townie clusterfuck.

Granted, these were my thoughts before the cop claim. This throws a wrench into things and oddly makes me a little suspicious. I concede the possibility that he is a cop, but it's also a very convenient claim to make. My kneejerk reaction is to say "Give him a couple days to prove his claim," but this is more difficult to do than we'd like. How do we work that? He announces who he investigated at the beginning of each game-day and we lynch that person to test him out? We might sacrifice a townie the first time to do so, and it could be argued that it's a fair trade, but how long would scum let him live once it appeared we had a confirmed cop on our side? And that's assuming he is town. Still...I admit the risk of killing a cop day one is a compelling enough reason to hold off on the lynch. If we don't lynch him, it should be illuminating whether or not he lives through the night.

...Hell. You know, as much as I've insisted that we can just ignore distractions like this and focus on someone else, look what I spent all my time thinking about in the above paragraph. I'm still holding off because my misgivings about the start of this whole mess though, and the cop claim...does warrant some caution on our part, even though I'm not sure I believe it.

*sigh* Two more pages to get through still. I do want to have a vote in before the deadline, so hopefully Hammer won't happen first.

[Kilgamayan]

Let's Play Danmaku Detective Game! Vote Count:

Taishyr (0): Shale
Otter (0): Strago, Yakumo, Taishyr, OblivionKnight, Halbarad, Gatewalker, EvilTom
Shale (0): Yakumo
Yakumo (0): Gatewalker
Strago (8): Nitori, patchcloud, Gatewalker, AndrewRogue, El Cideon, EvilTom, Anonymous, Ran, Ciato, Nitori, Chisa, Chatewalker
Gatewalker (0): QuietRain
AndrewRogue (0): Sir Alex, Corwin, Chisa, Gatewalker, QuietRain, patchcloud
Nitori (1): El Cideon, Yakumo, Taishyr
Corwin (0): Halbarad, Carthrat
Smodge13 (0): EvilTom, Carthrat, Tonfa
El Cideon (0): Chisa
EvilTom (8): Smodge13, Ran, Otter, QuietRain, Corwin, Halbarad, Chisa, Yakumo, Tonfa, Carthrat, Strago
Chisa (0): Tonfa
Ciato (0): patchcloud
OblivionKnight (0): El Cideon
QuietRain (0): AndrewRogue
Tonfa (1): OblivionKnight, Ciato
patchcloud (2): Shale, AndrewRogue

Love Count:

Chen (2): Ran, Yukari
Strago (0): OblivionKnight
Everyone (1): Taishyr
Work-Interrupting Snow (1): El Cideon
Mokou (1): Kaguya
Ran (1): Yukari
Nitori (1): Nitori

With 21 people alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch.

36 minutes to go.

[AndrewRogue]

Out of time to get votes from Patch, and time is running out for a shifting lynch train.

##Unvote: Patchcloud
##Vote: Strago

[OblivionKnight]

My original thoughts on Tom were not to hit him with a vote.  As I said in my initial post on the subject, I think things were blown out of porportion based on some emotional attacks.  There's a reason I didn't vote on that - there was no major scum activity on Tom's part I could see, in addition to it being how he always plays (while I do see Corwin's point that this does cloud judgment and general voting prowess and makes a great cover no matter what side the person plays, I still think it's really harsh to nuke them every game based on how they play - yes, they should change to cut the pressure, but hitting them right off the bat...suggesting they should just because...almost makes me think there's some ulterior motive).  

My thoughts on scum shield with the general cop claim were mostly being thrown out there as random general thoughts.  I really don't think that's enough reason to nuke him - as I said before, no case really existed.  I still think it's important to not be too trusting of roleclaims, but...day 1?  There's plenty of time to watch what happens and...well:

Tom said he's unlikely to live very long -

1) If people vote to lynch him, dead
2) Scum will want to kill him very soon if he's cop (or possibly keep him alive and mess with him to get town to myslynch later?  Not sure how viable that is)

Alex also makes good points for him surviving -

1) If he's cop, awesome
2) If he's not, he'll dig his own grave

I suppose the most important thing for him surviving would be...well, the fact that there's no huge, strong scum case for him (and...how could there be on day 1, barring something so blatantly obvious a monkey could pick up on it?  See, look at the pretty monkey!).  

Tom's set himself up to be taken care of either way - if he's town, we want him alive as a cop.  If he's scum, he needs to play perfectly to not, well, die by a lynch.  

I suppose there's the off chance Tom is pulling of some type of crazy gambit and trying to draw attention to himself for some reason or another, but I doubt it, as it's mostly just the way he plays.  

That all being said, I wasn't in huge support of lynching him anyway to start with based on the weak-nonexistent case for him, and Alex...is right.  There are a lot of potential bad things that could come from killing off Tom (lost cop, whatever crazy roles might exist) and the only good thing that can come out of it is a dead scum (which...no real leads on him, and the possibility in a large game is not high).  There just aren't strong scum reads or tells, especially on day 1.  If he had claimed this say...later?  Like when we're down 8 people?  Then that would be something to question harder about the roleclaim, as we'd be far into everything with more data to go off.  But...this is day 1.  

As for what to do with the small amount of time left...(wow...what a good smokeshield either way...)

In terms of Strago...mmm...I'm not getting a strong scum vibe, though...he is pushing for the kill on Tom.  And has disappeared a bit (but. real life does that sometimes, so I can't take that too seriously).  He could be either highly convinced that Tom is scum (he doesn't seem trusting of roleclaims, which is...true, but this early not as important), or...blah.  His last paragraph seems perfectly logical, and I see what he means with everything.  I can't in good conscience throw a vote on him at the moment.  

So what to do with my vote?  I don't believe either Strago or Tom are scum.  Mia... isn't giving out strong vibes on either of the major pushes (which could be a real life thing again), but I don't get a scum read on her.  

And that leaves me out of cases I really feel strongly on.  I'm going to have to re-read everything and see if I can come up with something before deadline.  

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[OblivionKnight]

WARNING: 14 NEW REPLIES SINCE YOU POSTED!!![/color]


LACK OF EDIT MAKES MY OCD GO CRAZY

[OblivionKnight]

...fuck it.

[Sierra]

Okay, finally caught up on things, and...I think holding off on a Tom lynch really is the best idea at the moment. I'm highly skeptical of his claim, but what's the alternative? I can't instantly assume a copclaim made by an endangered player is a lie. It's just a bad precedent to set. So is unquestioningly believing it, obviously, but that's hardly what I'm doing. As others have noted, we can afford to take a day or two to think about this. And...

...to ensure there's time for this, I'm going to have to go back on my previous unvote and ##Vote: Strago. I believe words don't mean a lot if you can't back them up with a vote, so here's to hoping we're right about this. Strago himself hasn't set off many alarms for me, but...the lynch is the only weapon we know we have. I feel I should commit to something by day's end, and this is the only option that'll make a difference for this day (that is, saving a possible cop).

I think this is -1 to Hammer, so if anyone has last-minute comments, now's the time.

[Kilgamayan]

Let's Play Danmaku Detective Game! Vote Count:

Taishyr (0): Shale
Otter (0): Strago, Yakumo, Taishyr, OblivionKnight, Halbarad, Gatewalker, EvilTom
Shale (0): Yakumo
Yakumo (0): Gatewalker
Strago (10): Nitori, patchcloud, Gatewalker, AndrewRogue, El Cideon, EvilTom, Anonymous, Ran, Ciato, Nitori, Chisa, Gatewalker, AndrewRogue, El Cideon
Gatewalker (0): QuietRain
AndrewRogue (0): Sir Alex, Corwin, Chisa, Gatewalker, QuietRain, patchcloud
Nitori (1): El Cideon, Yakumo, Taishyr
Corwin (0): Halbarad, Carthrat
Smodge13 (0): EvilTom, Carthrat, Tonfa
El Cideon (0): Chisa
EvilTom (8): Smodge13, Ran, Otter, QuietRain, Corwin, Halbarad, Chisa, Yakumo, Tonfa, Carthrat, Strago
Chisa (0): Tonfa
Ciato (0): patchcloud
OblivionKnight (0): El Cideon
QuietRain (0): AndrewRogue
Tonfa (1): OblivionKnight, Ciato
patchcloud (1): Shale, AndrewRogue

Love Count:

Chen (2): Ran, Yukari
Strago (0): OblivionKnight
Everyone (1): Taishyr
Work-Interrupting Snow (1): El Cideon
Mokou (1): Kaguya
Ran (1): Yukari
Nitori (1): Nitori

With 21 people alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch.

15 minutes to go.

Notice: Strago is one vote away from lynch!

[EvilTom]

Well I just woke up a short time ago, and had a read through everything.

OK's post interests me for reasons.. argh actually I don't think there's time left to do a long post so I'll keep it short.

I feel bad about Strago if he's town, but the town needs to min/max in order to survive.
At this rate, he may need to claim, perhaps.

I'd be suspicious of anyone trying to lynch a cop. Especially early on. But that's just my opinion, really.

If anyone wants to know anything, I'm guessing now would be it, there musn't be much time left.

I have a pretty good idea who I can get a good investigation on tonight otherwise.

New post arrived: 15 minutes, yeah no time.

[mia~]

RE - Wanting to hammer Tom: I don't see the flowers and roses you guys see around Tom, cop claim or not. Let's say he's really a sane cop. He'll probably be killed tonight since he's an open target and he claimed on Day 1 after getting himself into a shit hole. And then in his death, there'll be flockings to people who voted on Tom and it'll be like a witch hunt. Let's say he's scum. He'll get us to lynch an innocent townie tomorrow who he "investigated" during the night with his "cop powers" and after the cardflip claim "Ohnoes guys they were framed." Or maybe, "Ohnoes guys I couldn't investigate last night I got roleblocked." And then there's this attacking of people voting for Tom. What if he is scum and the real cop is trying to vote for him because they know they're the cop? And then there's this possibility that Tom really is the cop and there's a roleblocker and now he's going to get roleblocked every night so he's going to be useless anyway. And no, I'm not saying I know there's a roleblocker or framer in the game for certain, I'm merely pondering the possibility of the usefulness of Tom now that he has claimed. Maybe it's because of how he presents himself that I don't trust his claim? This is the first game I've played with him, so pardon me for not being up on the "Tom is being Tom" rule. Oh, and in sharing these feelings that I did not originally wish to share, I am possibly giving someone an idea, which is why I originally restrained myself from spilling everything I felt about this. But apparently I've not got many choices here except to fulfill requests made to me to speak. You know, sometimes, what a person feels like saying has already been said, what's the point of repeating it? Maybe a post to nod in agreement? But then I'd probably get called out for "Not saying anything and just agreeing with people". And sometimes, a person just doesn't have anything to say of the situation than what's already been said. I also realize that I probably get this non-committal lurker stamp many times because I'm somewhat similar to Unoriginal. I just am that way by default. The reason why I might seem verbal economy-ish in both IRC and on forums is because when you get me going on a subject, I can go nearly stream-of-consciousness, Death Note level of rambling mode, which I am probably doing at this point and don't even realize because I can't stop typing now that I've started. This isn't a trait I like about myself because sometimes people do need to know when to shut up. On a minor side note, much like how Tom gets flack for his personality, I get flack in Mafia games, even in ones where there are people who are lurking more than me. It's like, "Soppy hasn't been talking for 10mins, he's clearly town, Mia is clearly scum". Seriously what the fuck? I know I'm still a newbie and I'm still learning, but sometimes I wonder if this is a personal thing people have against me? Whatever. Back to the original topic of me trying to respond about the Tom thing which is making Alex's scum-o-meter tingle, I just don't think this is as black and white as Alex makes it seem, the black and white I am talking about is "Tom is really a cop that is cool or Tom is lying and we punch him in the face". There are too many possibilities about how this could go because we as town are at a disadvantage having no clue what kind of power roles are out there to be able to seriously say that Tom will either be useful or he'll get himself killed. And then I know already that someone would reply to this with, "Well we just have to vote and see what happens! It's day 1 and we have to move on!" which IS true, but what happens in the future of this game is also largely going to be dependent of stuff that happened in the past, and because I think about this crap too much is why I seem so indecisive all of the time about Mafia related decisions. It's not that I'm not reading and not comprehending what's going on. I understand quite well. I understand the majority of the arguments and back and forths taking place, and I even understand why Shale/Alex/Andrew are emo Q_Q at me for "minimal participation" or whatever. Notice how I didn't really blame Shale for thinking I wasn't doing much? Speaking of which, Shale, I went over the thread, and I don't think you've done a great deal yet either yourself in this game. As for the vote thing, I felt like you were trying to tell me that I was "doing it wrong" when it came to votes, or else why would you call them "semi-random"? Sigh my thoughts are everywhere.

Anyway, whatever, the day is practically over. ##Vote: Strago

MULTIPLE POSTS APPEARED BEFORE MINE AND I DON'T CARE!111

[Ranmilia]

PS,

The entire reason why it's good to ask for roleclaims before you lynch someone is exactly this, so that you can halt the lynch if they claim something vital like cop and reconsider if it's worth the risk.

##Love: Chen
##Love: Yukari

[Kilgamayan]

HAMMER SHUT UP.

Strago, playing Reisen Udongein Inaba (Illusionist, TOWN-ALIGNED) was lynched!

It is now Night 1. Everyone who needs to, send me actions. Story in a moment.

[Kilgamayan]

Let's Play Danmaku Detective Game! Vote Count:

Taishyr (0): Shale
Otter (0): Strago, Yakumo, Taishyr, OblivionKnight, Halbarad, Gatewalker, EvilTom
Shale (0): Yakumo
Yakumo (0): Gatewalker
Strago (11): Nitori, patchcloud, Gatewalker, AndrewRogue, El Cideon, EvilTom, Anonymous, Ran, Ciato, Nitori, Chisa, Gatewalker, AndrewRogue, El Cideon, Patchcloud
Gatewalker (0): QuietRain
AndrewRogue (0): Sir Alex, Corwin, Chisa, Gatewalker, QuietRain, patchcloud
Nitori (1): El Cideon, Yakumo, Taishyr
Corwin (0): Halbarad, Carthrat
Smodge13 (0): EvilTom, Carthrat, Tonfa
El Cideon (0): Chisa
EvilTom (8): Smodge13, Ran, Otter, QuietRain, Corwin, Halbarad, Chisa, Yakumo, Tonfa, Carthrat, Strago
Chisa (0): Tonfa
Ciato (0): patchcloud
OblivionKnight (0): El Cideon
QuietRain (0): AndrewRogue
Tonfa (1): OblivionKnight, Ciato
patchcloud (1): Shale, AndrewRogue

Love Count:

Chen (2): Ran, Yukari
Strago (0): OblivionKnight
Everyone (1): Taishyr
Work-Interrupting Snow (1): El Cideon
Mokou (1): Kaguya
Ran (1): Yukari
Nitori (1): Nitori
Yukari (1): Ran

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A substantial crowd had gathered at the Hakurei Shrine: apparently the destruction of an entire mountain that was home to two different species of youkai and one of the only two Shinto shrines in the region is hard to notice. There were various small dicussions going on while Aya talked to Reimu, as this was entirely unlike the impregnation incident or the phantom underwear thieves. Despite coming off as a jerk 105% of the time, Aya was respect Gensokyo-wide as a very powerful being; stealing her spellcards and destroying her house (not to mention the whole goddamn mountain it was built on) would have taken an incredible amount of chutzpah.

Aya held her hands up in an "EVERYBODY SHUT THE HELL UP" pose, and the gathered crowd complied.

"We have a situation on our hands, girls. I know a good number of you believe me to be prone to overexaggeration-"

Several snickers ran through Aya's audience.

"-but I think I can safely say that what has happened here today is nothing short of a catastrophe. Those of you who arrived here early enough to see Momizi come in with me will also notice she's now gone: She has returned to the ruins of the mountain in order to begin a rescue effort. As of yet, there is no sign of any of the residents of the Moriya Shrine, and only a miniscule number of signs of surviving kappa."

The only sound in the resulting silence was a gasp from Eirin. Though they had only met recently, it was fairly common knowledge that she had taken a huge liking to a specific kappa named Nitori Kawashiro, whose mechanical genius provided the medical genius no end of wonder.

"There is a second issue at hand, as well, which many of you have already noticed. My house was destroyed by some of my own spellcards, which, after a thorough search of myself, I could not find. In addition, the attacks on the shrine were those of its residents. Ladies, and more ladies, we have spellcard thieves on the loose, and it seems they're aggresive enough to destroy an entire mountain to get whatever it is they want."

"So what are we going to do then?" asked Sakuya. "Are we going the route of mob rule like the last two times we have mystery enemies?"

"Yes, I think that is our best bet, even if it only worked the second time."

"I think Suika is worth looking at, then," said Reimu. "I hadn't seen her for several hours and she often brags about being able to destroy mountains."

Suika stamped the ground. "What the hell, Reimu? Is this the thanks I get for helping out with your daily chores? And to think I was actually considering donating today!"

Reimu opened her mouth to speak again, but couldn't find any words. Yukari took the case up for her. "My, my, little oni, are you getting angry? Maybe you have something to hide~"

Ran stepped in before the infuriated Suika could respond. "My lady, I doubt Miss Ibuki was responsible for the destruction of the mountain, as her constant drunken state causes me to question if she could even aim at it properly. May I instead suggest considering who could possibly pull off stealing spellcards? I feel the rabbit and her eyes are very well-suited to that sort of task."

"Hey, I didn't do anything!" Reisen whined. "I'm barely even allowed to set foot outside the Bamboo Forest, so how could I have possibly done something like this?"

Eirin grabbed her apprentice by the shoulder and looked directly at her face. "Look at me, Udonge. I can tell when you are lying. Tell me. Are you responsible for this?"

Reisen looked like she was about to cry. "No, Master, I swear!"

"Very well. I order you to return home. We will have a discussion once I arrive there myself."

Sniffling a bit, Reisen flew off back to Eientei. When she was gone, Eirin sighed.

"She was telling the truth. I slipped her a drug some time ago that does not allow her to lie to me."

"So what do we do now?" asked Alice.

"I'll tell you what we'll do," said Suika. "I'll figure this out myself! I'm an expert at solving mysteries, after all."

"Since when?"

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Day 2 will begin shortly after I receive everything I need to from players.

Also:



Look at what you did. I hope you people are proud of yourselves.

Jerks.