Season 51, Week 4 - Welcome to Cooker 8 and Geddoe's Electric Kitchen!

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike:

Myria (BoFs) vs Melfice (G2)
Isolde Schelling (MK) vs Lady (SH3)

Heavy:

Deamoned (BoF5) vs Fogel (OB)
Geddoe (S3) vs Worker 8 (FFT)

Middle:

Kresnik Ahtreide (WA4) vs Odessa Silverburg (S1)
Bowman Jean (SO2) vs  Kyra Tierny (PS4)

Light:

Tia (Lufia 2) vs Gijimu (S2)
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Porom (FF4)

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike:

Myria (BoFs) vs Melfice (G2) - With the durability difference, this fight is rather impressively trivial.
Isolde Schelling (MK) vs Lady (SH3) - Lady has ridiculously good chipping, and I think she goes first. Isolde even laps after the first SC, but that's not quite enough. And, worst comes to worst? That Malice Dirge 2HKO probably finishes things off if Lady decides to go for a first-turn full combo.

Heavy:

Geddoe (S3) vs Worker 8 (FFT) - Geddoe physicals are working so well here.

Middle:

Kresnik Ahtreide (WA4) vs Odessa Silverburg (S1) - Too much of a resource difference.
Bowman Jean (SO2) vs Kyra Tierny (PS4) - Don't even think Bowman is faster than Kyra after his first Sakura Attack, and she may well not get 2HKOed through Warla anyway. Kyra is brutal against physical fighters.

Light:

Tia (Lufia 2) vs Gijimu (S2) - OHKOs.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Porom (FF4) - Gets a turn and makes Cyan suffer.

[superaielman]

Godlike:

Myria (BoFs) vs Melfice (G2)- Same vote/comment as last time. Gives both forms a decent fight, can't beat either.
Isolde Schelling (MK) vs Lady (SH3)- Go first, 2HKO.

Heavy:

Deamoned (BoF5) vs Fogel (OB)- Fogel outtanks/speeds by a huge margin and goes down in flames thanks to HP-1. *Shakes fist*
Geddoe (S3) vs Worker 8 (FFT)- Geddoe can't even hope for a lucky freeze and Worker ignores his evade as well. Ugly.

Middle:

Kresnik Ahtreide (WA4) vs Odessa Silverburg (S1)- Better.
Bowman Jean (SO2) vs  Kyra Tierny (PS4)- The writeup for Bowman's match may slightly diverge with reality.

Light:

Tia (Lufia 2) vs Gijimu (S2)- OHKOs pretty easily.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Porom (FF4)- Third time's the charm for healers versus Cyan this season.

[Ultradude]

Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Porom (FF4): ...Mini then. Even if I don't hold Cyan to charge times, Porom's a little faster.

[Meeplelard]

Godlike:

Myria (BoFs) vs Melfice (G2): Both forms crush Melfice with relative ease.
Isolde Schelling (MK) vs Lady (SH3): Lady should nuke faster.

Heavy:

Deamoned (BoF5) vs Fogel (OB): Fogel's getting lots of turns doesn't really translate well against Absolute Defense, sadly.  That, and there's HP->1 to has to deal with.
Geddoe (S3) vs Worker 8 (FFT): LIGHTNING HITS WEA-...wait, Magic, right <.<

Middle:

Kresnik Ahtreide (WA4) vs Odessa Silverburg (S1): Whatever.
Bowman Jean (SO2) vs  Kyra Tierny (PS4): Anti Physical Haxing game and what not.

Light:

Tia (Lufia 2) vs Gijimu (S2): ONly a matter of time before he gets that needed crit; he needs only one too.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Porom (FF4):  Easiest way to win is probably just cast Mini, and watch as Cyan lose HIS ENTIRE SKILLSET as Mini doesn't just lower Physical damage to 1, it also makes you unable to use weapons and anything that's related to weapons like, say, Jump.  Oh look at Cyan's Sword techs.
Of course, you could argue White Cape > Transformation status effects...but then, Porom just casts Hold, which resets Cyan's Swordtech Gauge...or alternatively, she just 2HKOs with Holy.

FOR THE RECORD...
FF6 Siezure is just Chibi-poison.  Basically, take FF6 Poison, halve its damage, and remove the "Damage keeps doubling" aspect, which is to say, its pretty damn crappy.

[OblivionKnight]

Godlike:

Tyr (BoFs) vs Melfice (G2) - Melfice.  Tyr 1 can't fight either A) the evasion or B) the healing.  Big Crash hype is not helping.  Tyr 3 is much closer - however, just not enough.
Isolde Schelling (MK) vs Lady (SH3) - Lady.  Bye Isolde.

Heavy:

Deamoned (BoF5) vs Fogel (OB) - Deamoned.  Congrats on finally finding a fight you can win.  >_>
Geddoe (S3) vs Worker 8 (FFT) - Geddoe!  LIGHTNING DAMAGE!!!!!  <_<

Middle:

Kresnik Ahtreide (WA4) vs Odessa Silverburg (S1) - Kresnik.  Konviction is too much for Odessa and her dying prematurely.
Bowman Jean (SO2) vs  Kyra Tierny (PS4) - Bowman.  Kyra deals 200 damage at best to Bowman's 10k+ HP.  Not even close >_>

Light:

Tia (Lufia 2) vs Gijimu (S2) - Tia.  Yay healing.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Porom (FF4) - Cyan.  Yay no charge times?

[superaielman]

Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Porom (FF4): ...Mini then. Even if I don't hold Cyan to charge times, Porom's a little faster.

Why would you not hold Cyan to charge times?

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike:

Myria (BoFs) vs Melfice (G2)- Same vote/comment as last time. Gives both forms a decent fight, can't beat either.
Isolde Schelling (MK) vs Lady (SH3)- Go first, 2HKO.

Heavy:

Deamoned (BoF5) vs Fogel (OB)- Fogel outtanks/speeds by a huge margin and goes down in flames thanks to HP-1. *Shakes fist*
Geddoe (S3) vs Worker 8 (FFT)- Geddoe can't even hope for a lucky freeze and Worker ignores his evade as well. Ugly.

Middle:

Kresnik Ahtreide (WA4) vs Odessa Silverburg (S1)- Better.
Bowman Jean (SO2) vs  Kyra Tierny (PS4)- The writeup for Bowman's match may slightly diverge with reality.

Light:

Tia (Lufia 2) vs Gijimu (S2)- OHKOs pretty easily.
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Porom (FF4)- Third time's the charm for healers versus Cyan this season.

Laziness. Also agreeing with the "Why would Cyan not have charge times?" It's why his skillset is so mockable.

[Ultradude]

Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Porom (FF4): ...Mini then. Even if I don't hold Cyan to charge times, Porom's a little faster.

Why would you not hold Cyan to charge times?

Well - and I'm assuming OK views it this way as well? - I always play FF set to 'Wait', so in all my experience Cyan is 'the guy who makes entire random encounters go away when he gets a turn'.

Technically he still has a charge time, since I think the opponent's turn gauge would fill while he's charging, but it makes it a lot easier for him to get cleave off.

[Talaysen]

Well - and I'm assuming OK views it this way as well? - I always play FF set to 'Wait', so in all my experience Cyan is 'the guy who makes entire random encounters go away when he gets a turn'.

Technically he still has a charge time, since I think the opponent's turn gauge would fill while he's charging, but it makes it a lot easier for him to get cleave off.

Even on Wait, there's still a long charge time.  It's not as big as the stat topic says, no, but it's still a really long time.  Especially if there are only two people.

[Pyro]

It's also shorter thanks to FF6 letting you gain ATB *during* actions.

[Cmdr_King]

It's just OK being OK.  He discounts all charge times.

[hinode]

I always play FF6 with Wait and really don't see how that has any impact on Cyan. His whole problem is that enemies can and will get turns and use them to smack you around while he's charging, not to mention that your other PCs *can not* do anything even if their ATB fills up while you are waiting for Cyan to charge up.

[Meeplelard]

Wait does NOTHING to Swordtechs.  Unlike Blitz, which DOES stop the ATB gauge under Wait, thus giving you unlimited time to input the commands, Swordtech does not yield this.

Charge Times were meant to be an obvious flaw for Swordtechs, and there's no way around them besides Quick or manipulating the turn order so that Cyan always goes during long animations, but neither are factors in the DL for the most part.

So yeah, Wait doesn't do anything to Swordtechs.  I think, for that matter, Blitz may be the only Skill that does not provoke a menu but *DOES* trigger Wait, but then again, almost all the others are generally meaningless (I mean, how much time do you need to tell Celes to use Runic?)

[Ultradude]

Ah. Never noticed that. Most of the stuff Cleave works on by the time you have it sucked too much for me to notice.

Doesn't really matter this time of course.

[074]

Heavy:

Geddoe (S3) vs Worker 8 (FFT) -- Immune.  Immune.  Did I mention immune?

Middle:

While I cannot vote on either match, I will take the time to say that a Kresnik vs. Kyra finals match would be outright and immensely hilarious.

Light:


Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Porom (FF4) - FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF twins

[Dark Holy Elf]

Seconding the Super/Dhyer/Meeple/Snow votes, minus Fogel who I can't vote on.

Also WTFing at anyone not noticing that enemies get fifty bazillion turns while you charge up Cleave. Maybe if you only use it on Chaos Dragons?

[DjinnAndTonic]

Well, if enemies' damage didn't fail so much, it would surprise me more. It's so negligible, I can understand how someone might not notice the enemy 'onslaught' while they're looking forward to the pretty animation. It's all about the flashiness.

That aside, we're not twelve anymore, a quick look at the stat topic or a youtube video and there shouldn't be any debate about the drawbacks of Cyan's chargetimes. >.>;;

[OblivionKnight]

Physically twelve >_>

Mentally is another story <_<

[Ultradude]

Youtube videos? Zuh? I don't watch LPs of games I've played.

Also.

I simply assumed that playing on 'wait' would actually make the game do so when appropriate.

And that they would then overlook the changes it made to Cyan given all the other things they missed >_>