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CK, Interstate Immigrant
« on: May 14, 2009, 08:39:01 AM »
As many of you may know, Michigan is a forsaken wasteland bereft of hope, and to find a future neccessitates leaving it.  I have mentioned in passing that I intend to do so in September, but at this point I think a more detailed description is necessary.

Due to various circumstances, 'September' actually translates as my needing to have left here on or before September 1st.  While a few weeks earlier than ideal (avoiding travelling in August was one of the reasons for choosing September in the first place), it's not such a large change as to require bickering.
Mostly this just underscores the seriousness of this endevor.  Wussing out isn't really an option, and it'd be a horrible thing not to do things properly the first time around.

So, moving on, my general point is that I need to do what I can to keep things moving smoothly.  Due to my limited funds (somewhere in the range of $4000-5000), simply picking a place and going would likely end very poorly.  This will have to cover travel, rent, some duration of living expenses, and some measure of furnishings.  While I may have some windfalls in that area, it still boils down to two key concerns about my destination.
1) Cost of Living needs to be affordable.
2) Employment has to be secured quickly.
And basically, this all means that whereever I go, I'll need help when I get there.  People who can help me get to know the area quickly and move in at the very least.  Ideally, although this gets into the range of huge favors that I'm honestly a little uncomfortable with, help finding a place and a job in the first place.

And... well.  While I could tap relatives or friends from other places for this, they're circumstances limit how much aid I can reasonably get in these areas.  So, I'm putting it to you folks: where should I move?  Putting people on the spot a bit I guess, but really there's not a diplomatic way to ask this sort of question, and doing so publically is at least a little less awkward, right?
So, uh, yeah, if you have any thoughts please respond!  Just thinking it through to myself isn't getting me much of anywhere.  Even just notes on Cost of Living and employment opportunities is useful, so don't feel like you shouldn't say something because you don't have an in for an awesome job or anything >.>
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Re: CK, Interstate Immigrant
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2009, 09:28:34 AM »
>___>

Does "Interstate" mean you're only willing to immigrate within the US? <_<
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Re: CK, Interstate Immigrant
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2009, 11:44:04 AM »
I'll check up on some data for some areas around Hampton Roads later. You were a cook at a bar, right?

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Re: CK, Interstate Immigrant
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2009, 11:50:24 AM »
Maybe the San Fran area? This is terribly presumptuous of me to suggest, since I'm not one of the DLers who lives there. Nonetheless, it sounds like it has a high standard of living and a possible support network for you. Perhaps it's worth considering?
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 12:37:05 PM »
I'll check up on some data for some areas around Hampton Roads later. You were a cook at a bar, right?

Southeast Virginia is fairly expensive to live in thanks to the relatively high cost of rent. Finding a job isn't impossibly hard, but finding a good one is without marketable skills.

I can get you a job, but it's a pretty crappy one.  You should be able to find something in food service or the service sector in generaly fairly easily if you have references.

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2009, 01:28:13 PM »
Avoid New Mexico.  Very low cost of living but the job market here is shit.

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2009, 01:52:28 PM »
Have you considered enlisting? You get free room and board, and might learn a good trade for when you discharge, and you'll travel around. Not to mention help with college if you want to get a degree someplace. It seems like a better idea than just running to some random state and hoping to not wind up homeless.
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2009, 02:06:08 PM »
Better yet, do both.  Spend a bit of time selling your body on the Vegas strip and then enlist.
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2009, 02:32:40 PM »
Oklahoma has a low cost of living and has more jobs than most places. Bad weather and lots of fundies though <_<
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2009, 04:12:22 PM »
Delaware has a really low cost of living, but the job market isn't great in general. I have no idea about the market for cooks in particular, though.
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Re: CK, Interstate Immigrant
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2009, 04:14:33 PM »
CT- quite apart from anything else, I'm given to understand that actually becoming a citizen of another country tends to be a lengthy, expensive process.  Not the adjectives we're looking for here.

Trips- Service would end badly for me.  This is probably fairly obvious if you've ever met me, not that you have.

Anyway, employment-side my current job of the past three years is indeed as a cook (you can wank it up a bit due to the size of the place, but anyway.).  I technically have an associate's degree, but it's in General Studies so mostly useful as a solidification of my on-and-off college experience until such time as I'm ready to move on to a higher degree.

Cost of living-wise, my biggest concern is definitely rent.  Given the funds I'm working with, and the current state of the job market, stuff like $1000+ a month would leave me broke and unable to get myself situated more or less instantaneously.
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Re: CK, Interstate Immigrant
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2009, 04:45:08 PM »
New Jersey is the land of diners. No idea what the employment situation is for them, but there are usually jobs open in NYC/NJ area. Granted, high cost of living usually offsets that.

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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2009, 04:48:25 PM »
I can promise you rents well below $1,000 here, at least. (still no guarantee you'd get money to pay them, of course)
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Re: CK, Interstate Immigrant
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2009, 04:54:29 PM »
CT: Getting a work visa in any first world country is a major pain in the ass unless you have a skill they really want.

Yep. My sister's wanted to move to Britain for a while now but this has acted as a considerable obstacle to doing so (we all know how marketable an english major is, don't we?)

Anyway, northern VA = crazy expensive, but you've asked about that before. I am obviously not in a position to give advice on the job market.

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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2009, 05:12:10 PM »
Get a job, you slacker of a Ciddy.

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Cost of living-wise, my biggest concern is definitely rent.  Given the funds I'm working with, and the current state of the job market, stuff like $1000+ a month would leave me broke and unable to get myself situated more or less instantaneously.

Southside hampton roads rent is pretty obscene. 800+ and up as a general rule. Newport news area where Pyro lives is better but is still pricey.
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Re: CK, Interstate Immigrant
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2009, 05:30:00 PM »
I suppose I should elaborate on a point.  While jobs I can get immediately are a good thing too (ie something similar to the cooking I have a fair whack of experience at etc) should the need arise, one of the primary reasons to move is that I realistically need to get into a better growing job field, but the options in Michigan are non-existant.  Basically, I've reached a point where I know just picking a field and trying to get a degree in it isn't going to work for me, so I need to do things backasswards and get a job I can live with, then work on improving within it at a later date.
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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2009, 06:40:34 PM »
Yeah, San Fran area prolly isn't what you're looking for. You might find rent of less then $1000/month, but it won't be much less and the place will suck rocks.

Job market out here...well, it's not too great in Pacifica/Daly City, and I can't really advise you about anywhere else in the area. I'm not very familiar with places I can't walk to.
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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2009, 06:49:44 PM »
Yeah, San Fran area prolly isn't what you're looking for. You might find rent of less then $1000/month, but it won't be much less and the place will suck rocks.
I'm on $636/month in a good apartment in a safe neighborhood, but I signed into that rent like...four years ago--dunno how much the market changed if you're buying into the market now.  Also, I share with two roommates (granted, three bedrooms, two bathrooms, and a large common area, so this isn't bad at all).

On the other hand, people seem to be willing to pay a premium to live in SF proper, so rent outside of SF was about 50% cheaper last I looked.  I'm living in SF because I work in SF and want a short commute.  But if you're living as a Chef or something there's no guarantee you'd be working in downtown SF.  ...Granted, for all that rent is cheaper, I haven't heard great things about living in Oakland....

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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2009, 06:53:29 PM »
Yeah, don't go to Oakland. Just. Don't.

And finding roommates would make thing a lot easier. Dunno if I could help you in that regard out here though. A have a few freinds who are cool enough sorts, but they're either still living at home with no real intentions of leaving, or already have a place with just them and the signifigant other.
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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2009, 07:02:35 PM »
Oh, chances are finding roommates through the...four people you're connected to here isn't going to happen.  Besides, all real-estate transactions in the bay area go through Craigslist, so just use that.

Craigslist has a section for "we're seeking roommates":

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/roo/

Or alternatively, there's a place to post an ad "I'm going to be wanting a room starting Sept 1" here:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/hsw/


If you're actually interested follow these steps:

Step 1: Find out if there's a job market here; none of us seem to know >_>
Step 2: Talk to someone who knows the area about what places are good to live in (i.e. Oakland bad).
Step 3: Respond to an ad/post your own ad and ask if they're willing to take a transplant from another state without meeting them first--this was the hardest part when I was moving here from Vancouver.


Though...regardless, the bay area is not a low-rent place, so unless it looks good for employment you can probably use the same strategies in another city and get cheaper accomodation.

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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2009, 07:23:59 PM »
When I was out looking for an apartment over here in Illinois, rent was running $600-$800, depending.  Mine's like $700 and it's a decently nice place.

Couldn't tell you anything about the job market though.  And I don't really have a car so I can't actually go around and look.

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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2009, 11:58:16 PM »
I think that looking for a state first may be the wrong approach.  You should probably try and get SOME idea of what it is you want to do, or at least what field you'd like to work in.  Some jobs you can get anywhere, of course, but even so, if there are any jobs you're thinking about that ARE region-specific, then moving to that region will expand your options.

That said, if you do want to search by state, this would be a good place to start...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_unemployment_rate

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Oklahoma is indeed a quite nice state, if a bit over quiet and also extremely conservative.  Austin, Texas is a bit more lively, but I'm less sure of the job market around there - some of Austin's titans are faltering like Dell.

The nearby Dakotas have very low unemployment, and are actively recruiting Minnesotans to come over and live there as we speak.  However, the economy there is largely based on, uh, resource management I suppose - hard labor outside, basically, for things like mining, and managing / fixing machines as well.

The San Francisco real estate market is, last I checked circa 2005, the most expensive market in the country (New York being #2).  They've some really dumb rent control laws that had the opposite effect, basically.

The DC region is indeed incredibly expensive, as noted earlier; find roommates (there's a massive housing shortage there and the road system is congested).  But the job market is pretty stable there; there's a lot of government, defense contractors, etc. who are pretty safe from budget cuts (AgentKing?).  If you have any desire to work in government (good benefits at least!), it's worth a look.  The one thing I will add is that many government jobs have strict hiring requirements and can hire based off a "score," and an Associate's Degree may not cut it for some of the better starting positions.  However, the government posts all job openings online nowadays, so you should be able to give it a look easily enough and see if there's stuff you're interested in.

Speaking of government, I should add that the FAA is actually hiring, something I'd know more about than your average gov't. agency due to my parents working there.  Their headquarters is in Oklahoma City (go figure), and also have a big huge center near Atlantic City, New Jersey (my home region).  Southern New Jersey is pretty cheap to live in, for what it's worth, but the only good jobs are with the FAA or the casinos.  Oklahoma already covered, they're cheap too.  If you have any interest in being an air traffic controller, those jobs are everywhere, including not at airports (en-route centers for while the planes are in-between airports, natch); they used to take people without bachelor's degrees, as well.  Not sure what the rules are now; mentioning it mostly because there was a big hiring surge in the early 1980s after the strike, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty of openings for those retiring after ~25 years service, and because ATCs are traditionally mocked as playing video games for a living.

The Philadelphia area is of moderate expense ($500-750 rent?).  The economy there is also kind of getting by, though I'd be hard-pressed to name a specialty; it was lawyers back in the day, but not anymore, I think.  It's certainly the only part of Pennsylvania who's economy isn't completely in ruins.  Western PA...  uh, Pittsburgh is really cheap to live in, but for a good reason, everyone left.  There are jobs in medicine (some very good hospitals in the area) and academia (universties) and that's about it.  Same with nearby Buffalo, NY; medicine or nothing for jobs, but at least housing is dirt cheap.  The rest of upstate New York is horrible; more cheap housing but not even hospitals for medical jobs.  (Okay, Albany has some jobs.)

The New York / NJ region is where I live currently.  Finance, media, and entertainment are the biggest things of note about NYC at the moment, and all are in a bit of trouble at the moment.  So the job market isn't as good as DC's, I'd say.  On the bright side, public transportation is much better here than in DC; I get by without a car just fine (which saves a LOT of money to offset the high rents), while that's problematic in the DC Metro region unless you live in DC proper itself.  I currently pay $930/month rent in Manhattan, for what it's worth, and actually we're having a bunch of vacancies open up right now with people graduating and all.  There are a decent amount of openings for cooks and bartenders if you're looking to get a job immediately while you look for something else.

And though I wouldn't normally recommend this, AAA has a good point, assuming you're fine with the fairly unique constraints that living in Afghanistan/ Iraq brings.  Cost of living: 0, they pay you to be there.  You can grab a Bachelor's later on Uncle Sam's dime, and if you can manage your way into something not the infantry, that can certainly be parlayed into useful skills later.  (Medic, mechanic, pilot, translator..  all good stuff.)  Obviously not an option if you're not okay with the risks involved, but economically an extremely solid choice.

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Re: CK, Interstate Immigrant
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2009, 04:56:43 AM »
I will say after meeting CK no he will probably not do well in the Military and is probably too introverted to do Peace Corps.  But I may be wrong.  >_>

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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2009, 07:35:15 AM »
The developing cities around the border of Riverside and LA county in CA wouldn't be a bad choice for career opportunity. As many new shopping plazas packed with restaurants are established.

But can't really say about rant. LA county isn't cheap on house prices, unless you head for some immigrant based cities. If that is fine with you, I'd recommend small sub-urb city in LA populated by Chinese immigrants.

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Re: CK, Interstate Immigrant
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2009, 10:04:14 AM »
Not currently living there, but a surprisingly solid place to live is Northwest Florida. The cost of living is relatively low. Apartments run from $300 to about $700 per month, depending on how much of a hovel you can deal with. For a more house-like deal, you're looking at more ($1000-1600), and you'd need a roommate, I'd guess.

Summer jobs are easy to get due to the high demand that the tourism brings to the area, and if you stand out, you generally keep your job during the low season. That said, it means you need to arrive in a Floridian city before Spring ends (when they hire summer temps)... so it might not be helpful now.

The upside of NW Florida is that you can get into the exciting tourism industry (I'm not being ironic here). Hotel management is a pretty decent way to make a living and it's the kind of industry that you can start off in an entry-level position and actually work your way up. It seems to work best by starting in entry level positions for summer help and then applying at a different hotel for the next highest position using your experience at the other hotel for credentials. Not to mention that your current skills in the service industry are actually suited to this kind of work. Of course, if working in a customer service position sounds horrible, then best not to apply.

The beaches are also nice, but the summers are sometimes unbearable.

Interestingly enough, if you wait until I get back to the states in two years, I'll be needing a roommate... >.>;;

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