Author Topic: Pretty Princess Mafia - Day 2 (Rat dies. ;_;) (Read 35677 times)

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #125 on:** January 25, 2008, 04:55:59 AM »

I'd ask if you could clarify the point system used, but I'm afraid that'd be too telling, and probably not important enough anyway. Anyhow, updated tally:

Shale: No vote
Kilgamayan: No vote
Snow: Princess Zorro (Rat)
QuietRain: Princess Sea (QR)
Tonfa: Princess Girl (Tonfa)
Nitori: Princess Emma (Yakko)
Alex: Princess Pschy (Kilgamayan)
Yakko: Princess Emma (Yakko)
Dhyerwolf: No vote

Also, that is definitely strange, Yakko. You probably can't elaborate on that as of now, but something to keep in mind, since we may return to it later once shit starts really hitting the fan.

QuietRain · « **Reply #126 on:** January 25, 2008, 05:08:14 AM »

Snow, I'm curious as to why you recommended one person and voted for someone else in the poll.

Ranmilia · « **Reply #127 on:** January 25, 2008, 05:19:03 AM »

"Two, even if the scum knew the winner was going to die, they had several townies they could vote for. As long as one of them wasn't winning, there's no reason to pile on one person in the topic."

"they still just needed to make sure it wasn't one of them in the lead."

These statements don't make sense to me. I've been assuming that the scum killed Rat, because he wasn't one of them. This is... what, some other theory wherein the recommended person dies of some other cause, the scum know about it, and for some reason they *don't* want that to happen to one of them? But the recommended person has still won, dead or not.

I don't understand this line of thought. Eek! I fear things I don't understand!

##Unvote: Tonfa
##Vote: Yakumo

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #128 on:** January 25, 2008, 05:27:28 AM »

Quote from: QuietRain on January 25, 2008, 05:08:14 AM

Snow, I'm curious as to why you recommended one person and voted for someone else in the poll.

Didn't feel comfortable voting for myself even in the pools, and felt I should add variety to the competition. Plus, Princess Zorro is an excellent name!

Shale · « **Reply #129 on:** January 25, 2008, 05:31:33 AM »

Alex: It depends on what wacky win condition the scum got (IIRC we were promised "radically different" ones for both sides), but if they can win with a majority, then getting one of their own recommended hurts the team's chances of victory.

Yakumo · « **Reply #130 on:** January 25, 2008, 05:33:10 AM »

Quote from: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 24, 2008, 05:02:20 PM

From where I stand, it feels like Day 1 was essentially a crapshoot in that we could have sent a scummy out there if we got lucky and got rid of her. Didn't quite happen, sadly, but now we'll have to make up for it. At least, we only lost one presumed townie instead of two by the time Day 2 rolled, I guess.

Quote from: Ran on January 25, 2008, 12:29:26 AM

Oh. Okay. So day 1, we have to either let a scum win, or unknowingly sacrifice a townie for no gain. That's... nice. The question here is whether or not the scum knew they'd be allowed to kill the winner. I'm betting they did. Unfortunately with how the split went, I don't know if it's possible to say they actually recommended Zorro. They could just as easily have let it go at 2 votes and thrown their weight as a block in the anonymous poll, since they apparently don't really care *who* got recommended. As I am surprised that Tonfa and QR would not have thought of this, my vote goes to one of them, eeny meeny miney the more glib one first.

##Vote: Tonfa

Quote from: Ciato on January 25, 2008, 01:17:57 AM

I don't understand exactly why scum would kill the winner if the winner was out of the game, but of course the rules are something I'm not clear on. Why would Shale and Nitori vote for Princess Zorro and then kill her, despite... her being eliminated from the running? Alex immediately goes into vote mode over the point of QR and Tonfa trying to find easy reasons for voting for the winner, and I think this is as valid as anything.

All in all I don't understand this really, was Rat going to be eliminated from voting/being voted on?

I was responding to these, the suggestion that the winner was eliminated because they won. I don't see much reason for the scum to kill Carthrat, it makes sense for that to have been a trigger to get us into the game. Hell, we haven't even been told if he was even town or scum, now that I think about it, just "first place winner". So, the real game starts when jealous scum lash out at the winner? Makes sense to me.

What I want to know was, if you were one of the people suggesting the idea in the first place, why don't you understand it now?

Ranmilia · « **Reply #131 on:** January 25, 2008, 05:54:38 AM »

Because it seemed to me like you were saying the scum wanted to actively avoid one of their members getting the nomination, because they knew something about the setup we didn't. I understand them not wanting to pile votes on one person, yes, but I don't understand why they wouldn't want one of their own to win.

Dhyerwolf · « **Reply #132 on:** January 25, 2008, 08:38:13 AM »

If one of their own won, they would be removed from the game when the voting section started, leaving scum at a disadvantage. If someone won first place, they would be out of the commission by the initial rules, I believe.

Luther Lansfeld · « **Reply #133 on:** January 25, 2008, 08:43:04 AM »

Well, I think what Yakko is trying to say is that the game is starting via this person dying, like an event trigger for this to turn into Mafia. So the first day is like the intro, and Day 2 is like normal Day 1. Except we are down one person. Or you could interpret it as just starting with 10. Alex I think is saying that Yakko acting like he knows this implies he has information that the rest of us don't.

Ranmilia · « **Reply #134 on:** January 25, 2008, 09:01:29 AM »

Ciato is correct.

Luther Lansfeld · « **Reply #135 on:** January 25, 2008, 02:55:25 PM »

Oh, I didn't vote in the poll. Also, people need to post! What do you think about this? I think it's totally fishy myself but hey~ Also, what do you think of automatically pinning blame on the Zorro voters and then not posting much since? QR, where are youuu~?

##VOTE: QuietRain

Luther Lansfeld · « **Reply #136 on:** January 25, 2008, 03:01:40 PM »

Quote from: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 25, 2008, 02:33:43 AM

I voted, myself. And I admit I voted for Princess Zorro, but it was a honest mistake.

Quote from: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 25, 2008, 05:27:28 AM

Didn't feel comfortable voting for myself even in the pools, and felt I should add variety to the competition. Plus, Princess Zorro is an excellent name!

These two statements seem to contradict eachother~ Explain?

Yakumo · « **Reply #137 on:** January 25, 2008, 03:31:36 PM »

Read the damn intro, people. Tai said the winner would be removed from the game. That much at least should be common knowledge. >_>

QuietRain · « **Reply #138 on:** January 25, 2008, 04:05:23 PM »

Quote from: Ciato on January 25, 2008, 02:55:25 PM

Oh, I didn't vote in the poll. Also, people need to post! What do you think about this? I think it's totally fishy myself but hey~ Also, what do you think of automatically pinning blame on the Zorro voters and then not posting much since? QR, where are youuu~?

##VOTE: QuietRain

Not posting much since? I poked both Snow and Yakko to clarify their statements and made a few comments after my vote explaining my reasons for it. I'd say I've been just as active as anyone else. You can vote me for random reasons, but really not for not participating.

Also, just woke up and am getting ready to take the rugrat into school (it's POURING here). And morning meetings mean I'll be able to post in anohter ~2-3 hours.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #139 on:** January 25, 2008, 07:24:37 PM »

Quote from: Ciato on January 25, 2008, 03:01:40 PM

Quote from: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 25, 2008, 02:33:43 AM
I voted, myself. And I admit I voted for Princess Zorro, but it was a honest mistake.
Quote from: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 25, 2008, 05:27:28 AM
Didn't feel comfortable voting for myself even in the pools, and felt I should add variety to the competition. Plus, Princess Zorro is an excellent name!

These two statements seem to contradict eachother~ Explain?

I don't see where I'm contradicting myself, although I can see where I wasn't particularly clear. What I meant that, in hindsight, it ended out being a honest mistake. I didn't know what would happen to the contest winner, I voted for Princess Zorro for random name excellence thingies. I wouldn't vote -for myself- even at the pools, and I already gave Princess Sea a recommendation. I decided to go for the next-most appealing candidate to me (besides myself, but voting for yourself is cheating~), which was Princess Zorro.

Shale · « **Reply #140 on:** January 25, 2008, 09:01:47 PM »

Bah. Nothing much is happening yet and, like I mentioned in the other game, I'm getting ready to take off for a road trip; I'll have intermittent Interweb access until tomorrow morning, then might not be back at all until Sunday night.

So...uh. It's hard to say what, if anything, we should conclude from first-day voting, since Yakko's right - it was clear from the outset that the winner wouldn't be playing anymore, so...would scum want one of their own up there, knowing that it would weaken them as a bloc for the rest of the game? Is their goal to get all of their numbers recommended? Was the winner always doomed, making last night was a scripted event, or was it an idiosyncratic kill choice? What would the Day 1 scum strategy be in each of those cases?

Gah. I have no bloody clue to any of the above.

##unvote Yakumo, he's talking.
##Vote Kilgamayan, for no other reason than that I can't do it in the Touhou game.

Hopefully I'll be able to check in again before night falls. If not, please don't lynch me for lurking.

Yakumo · « **Reply #141 on:** January 25, 2008, 09:32:32 PM »

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I'm sure we can't get anything out of day one. We can't even be sure Carthrat wasn't scum! Look at that flip, it says "first place winner", nothing about affilliation. We need to treat this like a normal day one. So, generic "talk moar" vote for Kilga.

##Vote: Kilgamayan

Nitori · « **Reply #142 on:** January 25, 2008, 10:08:53 PM »

True enough, Yak. Trying to speculate on what exactly Tai planned for day 1 seems like mostly a waste of time, so I guess I'll chime in and get Kilga to talk about his magical fairie adventures in Fairieland. Or the game, whichever one pops into his head first.

##Unvote: Tonfa
##Vote: Kilgamayan

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #143 on:** January 25, 2008, 10:50:34 PM »

o hi

Alex's apparent negative attitude here toward the possibility of a scum winning the gag portion of the game seemed weird to me the first time I read through things, since I had noted (like Yakumo) that whoever won the First Place award was going to be removed from the game so hey why not hope for scum while we're at it to make the real game easier?

However I'm willing to chalk this up to a combination of missing that portion of the rules (I think it was in the other topic) and a general "thou shalt not suffer scum to win" attitude. Alex seems like the kind of guy that would feel dirty in a townie win if at least one scum won as well for some reason.

On the other hand...

#Vote: Jo'ou Ranbu for his "who voted who in the poll" thing. This feels more to me like scum smokescreening by trying to look like they're helping town than town actually trying to help (similar to Tai's relationship post in Discworld). The idea is a nice one on the surface but learning who voted for whom in the public poll is, ultimately, not going to tell us much of anything given there was more outside influence than inside and it would be pathetically easy to lie about who (if anyone) you voted for anyway.

Dhyerwolf · « **Reply #144 on:** January 26, 2008, 01:04:55 AM »

Well, I guess 3 votes in a row for Kilgamayan gives us the first truly suspicious thing in the game so far. They could be read somewhat in the joke variety, but I guess the 3 right in a row when the game is more serious and 2 giving joke-ish reasons strikes me as off. Shale's was first, and Yakumo at least had a valid reason, so Nitori's the one the strikes me as suspicious.

##Vote: Nitori

Luther Lansfeld · « **Reply #145 on:** January 26, 2008, 05:54:07 AM »

Yeah, that train makes me really suspicious too. In fact I'll put in for a 'train' of my onw for that. Weird that he would do that right after two other people did it...

##UNVOTE: QuietRain
##VOTE: Nitori

Ranmilia · « **Reply #146 on:** January 26, 2008, 09:14:00 AM »

Mmf. Slow game, and I'm going to be gone tomorrow. I suppose Yakko's explanation is acceptable, and that's the only thing that pinged on my brain, so... I think Kilga's argument on Snow is better than the argument against the Kilgatrain.
##Unvote: Yakumo
##Vote: Jo'ou Ranbu Margatroid

Taishyr · « **Reply #147 on:** January 26, 2008, 11:30:34 AM »

Vote Count. This is Mafia. This is serious business.

Tonfa [\]: Nitori, Alex
Nitori [3]: QuietRain, Dhyerwolf, Ciato
Shale [1]: Tonfa
Yakumo [\]: Shale, Alex
QuietRain [1]: Ciato
Kigamayan [3]: Shale, Yakumo, Nitori
Snow [2]: Kilgamayan, Ran

Day ends in about 16.5 hours.

Tonfa · « **Reply #148 on:** January 26, 2008, 12:52:28 PM »

Well, well, well.

The three cases of the day appear to be Nitori, Kilga and Snow. Mm.

Nitori: One of the Zorro recommendators. (may or may not mean anything. But it's something.) Opens the day with a jokevote, then...is the third vote on someone's case to get them to talk? Third is somewhat excessive solely for that reason, suspicions of trying to gather a train to make someone a reasonable lynch target at day's end. Hrm.

Kilga: Gets three joke/talk moar votes dropped on him, responds with a good post and reasonable analysis. Weakest case here.

Snow: While a reasonable deduction, I don't think Snow is really smokescreening here. Going through the public poll results is grasping at straws but so are most things during this day. Discussion is pretty much dead, there is nothing to smokescreen. >_>

Dropping a vote in the only direction where I have feeling it will catch scum.

##Unvote: Shale
##Vote: Nitori

Tonfa · « **Reply #149 on:** January 26, 2008, 12:53:47 PM »

Oh, I do believe that is -2 to hammer, as a warning.

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Author Topic: Pretty Princess Mafia - Day 2 (Rat dies. ;_;) (Read 35677 times)

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