Pretty Princess Mafia - Day 2 (Rat dies. ;_;)

[Carthrat]

Tai said I could.

[QuietRain]

He's asking you to stop your annoying 'I have info, but you must kneel before me' sttitude to gain it.  I hardly think that's qualifiable as a modkill, Carth.  And no one is saying anything about you voting.  We're saying your comments about recommending you for a second slot before you give us information is obnoxious.

And what gain would *we* be getting out of this supposed reccommending of you?  You get two slots and supposing that all the rest of us don't die during the night we *might* get something out of you that's worth having?  Information we might not already know?  If you want us 'angry bitches' to suffer, you can do so from that little metal chair in the corner like a good girl.  If you want to actually save the one of us that's NOT a raving lunatic, then you could always try to save them with your supposed help.

Your witholding of that tells me that you're no more interested in saving the one innocent among us than I am of seeing you get an extra slot in this competition.

Now, ignoring the fruitcake in the corner, I'd like to move on and hear from the other survivors of last night's massacre.

[Shale]

On a less petulant note, no matter what extra rules Tai's laid down for this day each of us still has the basic option of being the last princess standing, and Recommend is still an instant win for whoever's lucky enough to net it. On the off-chance there are enough people alive to actually recommend somebody tomorrow (three minimum, I think, since recommending yourself just subtracts from the total), that's three people out of five living who can win without whatever the mystery clause is.

How to work out who deserves to is another matter entirely, and one I'm pretty much clueless on. We could always go for best alias again.

[Shale]

Also, I really did think Yakko was overthinking things with his post there, but...Rat genuinely didn't seem to like the idea of getting voted off, did he? Something you're not telling us about your role, there?

[Yakumo]

Good grief, you two.  I know we're supposed to be simulating a beauty pageant here, but you guys might want to cut back on the         ing -just- a bit.

Shale, are you asking me or the Rat that question?  It looks like Carthrat, but the wording's unclear.  And if you're asking me then I'm not sure what you're implying anyway.

Tai, can we actually recommend Carthrat for second place too?  I wouldn't want to, but if you tell us no we can at least stop arguing about it.

[Yakumo]

...I can't say that?  What the hell.  Feline fighting.  Except a shorter word for feline. -_-

[QuietRain]

Of all the things to censor?  <.<

[Shale]

Shale, are you asking me or the Rat that question?  It looks like Carthrat, but the wording's unclear.  And if you're asking me then I'm not sure what you're implying anyway.

Asking Rat (and thinking that you're right to be inquisitive about it).

[Carthrat]

Eh, I've won, so I don't care so much about getting killed. I'll be forthright and say that I want to win twice, though.

If you don't take me up on my offer I've really got nothing else to add, and I'll just laugh and laugh and laugh as you all kill each other overnight.

[Yakumo]

I don't really know how we're going to figure out which of us should win today, but the Rat's already won so there's no point in letting him win -again-.  I also kinda doubt         him will do much for us except cause some minor satisfaction. <_<

Hmm.  Tonfa, any ideas?  You've been rather quiet since the      bath.

[Yakumo]

-_-

[QuietRain]

Seconding Yakko.  It's been over a day since we've heard from Tonfa.  Still with us?

Now, setting aside the obvious problem of VOTE for now, there's still the recommendation for second place.  Now, I think we're pretty much in agreement that Rat has his first place and that's enough for him.  So far, I'm inclined to nominate Shale.  Not based on much of anything but he had the guts to be honest about not being the innocent.

Thoughts on recommendations?

[Tonfa]

Oh. Right. This trainwreck. S'pose we could start trying to make sense of it, yes.

I am - or rather, I was - a part of a masonry. My fellow masons, Nina the first, and Nina the second can't testify to this due to being dead though, of course. I am Nina the fourth. Of course, something about three masons in a setup this small had to be very much off, and it's come to this apparently.

Nina the second had vigging powers, or so she claimed. Nina the first didn't chat up during the day at all so I have no idea what she had. My power is being bulletproof, so going psycho killer on me has absolutely no effect during the night, I'm afraid.

Now, of course, you can vote me dead and continue with the massacre. I'd really rather appreciate it if you recommended me though, hmm? I am rather curious about how being recommended changes the nature of the game, I must say~ Whatever the case, you are not getting rid of me during the night.

I can't really say I trust any of you enough to think of other options at this point, and there's not much I can do myself.

[Shale]

Okay, now this is interesting. If the story text is to be believed, then Tonfa is the only non-psycho left, aside from our esteemed interim judge; Yakumo, QuietRain and myself are all self-aligned serial killers who were lucky enough to live through the night. Carthrat is in a weird state of flux, and now we have our odd player out, Tonfa the bulletproof townie(?). Three killers, two innocents. The question, of course, is whether it would benefit us to recommend the townies, or kill them. The benefits of putting them to the noose are clear enough - one of us would get recommended, and another would be left as last person standing and win that way. But keeping them alive, which would probably go hand-in-hand with recommending one or both, could be a trigger for a situational win condition, as Rat has hinted.

Thoughts?

[QuietRain]

* QuietRain looks at Tonfa.  Thank you.  That was what I was waiting for. 

You see, there were 8 kills on Carth the first night.  Now, with 10 of us remaining the next morning that means there could only be 2 'innocents'.  With there being 3 of you in your 'Mason Group', that makes you 3 responsible for 1 kill and thus are the scum.  I can't think of another way to account for the extra kill.  If someone could point out a flaw in that logic, then I'd be happy to re-view my thoughts.

If not, I'm all for voting the scum off and recommending one of us for the second slot.

[Shale]

Works for me. I'd been considering the "innocents" the scum to begin with, just because in any Mafia game the majority is "town" and the minority is "scum," and in this game serial killers are the majority (hence the question mark after town in my last post). I say we start with Rat, recommend one of our own, have the survivors focus kills on Tonfa so we don't lose any votes overnight, and lynch him tomorrow. If the game doesn't end there...well, I guess we're wrong about the setup and the two remaining SKs can work out how to end it as they so desire.

[Shale]

Or...yeah, I guess in that scenario Rat isn't "scum", just a third party of some sort. I'll take either non-SK for the noose today.

[Shale]

Although....QR, where do you get the eight-kills-on-Rat figure?

[Shale]

(Also, were Rat not such a tempting target, I was considering pushing you for lynch on the grounds that only an innocent would assume that everybody would pretend to be one, when the majority is always the safer place to be. Nice ploy.)

[QuietRain]

From someone who is going to kill me right after this whole fiasco is done.  That's flavor, though, regarding my character.  I was informed right after petrifying Snow (sorry about that, but the rose petals were driving me nuts) that there were 'eight killers'.

Hmm.  And it occurs to me that last killer could refer to Carth, if Carth did indeed kill Pschy as the flavor text indicated.

So...either the mason lodge was that exactly and Carth is the last killer, or the scum was the last kill mentioned.  Re-read the PM.  Hmmm, now I'm confused.

[QuietRain]

*shrug*  Maybe I just play differently, but I never see the logic in holding my hand up and saying 'Yes, I am a serial killer, now, onto my thoughts...' when there's a perfectly good claim of innocent lurking around.

[Shale]

Claiming SK now is like claiming town in a regular game, though. Not exactly a risky proposition.

[QuietRain]

Truth.  I still think in classic game sense, though.  Town=good, all others=try not to be caught.

[Shale]

Hmm.  And it occurs to me that last killer could refer to Carth, if Carth did indeed kill Pschy as the flavor text indicated.

So...either the mason lodge was that exactly and Carth is the last killer, or the scum was the last kill mentioned.  Re-read the PM.  Hmmm, now I'm confused.

'm not sure the identify of the eighth killer actually matters at this point. Either way, it seems clear that the setup has a majority of serial killers and a minority of people on their own "team" who may be scum and may just be masons, but either way are playing by different rules than the rest of us.

[Tonfa]

Mm. Rat hinted at there being an alternate way out of this mess (but fails too much to tell) and this seems to be information given to recommended people. I would assume.

But eh, whatever. This has pretty much degenerated into what it started from...a popularity contest. >_>

Actually, being both recommended and lynched would be like the height of awesome. Consider this!

Are the SKs forced SKs, anyhow?