Rate this game in the DL: S3 and FE7

[superaielman]

DQ8 and DDS
BoF1 and SO2
FFX and PS4
FFT and SoA

We've had various incarnations of this topic over the years, measuring how much you like a game's cast/what'd you rank from the game/how much you respect the duellers, etc. Well, we haven't had one of these in a while so I figured I'd restart the topic to give us something to talk about during the downtime. Archived topics are listed above. Feel free to bump up and vote on older topics.

Suikoden 3. The largest cast by far in the DL has fighters in all four division and lots of history. From Chris Lightfellow to Kogoro, it's a game that gets in and makes an impact. Though how much is too much? *Eyes dogs?* Who knows. It's a popular title for a reason though.

Fire Emblem 7 speaks for itself. The floods. The drawing. The arguments about damage and counters, to comments about blandness to.. well, yeah. It's a strong game, that's for sure.


Suikoden 3

Favorite dueller:
Least favorite dueller:

Strongest dueller:
Weakest dueller:

Favorite moment in the DL with this game:
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game:

A character you'd like to see added to the game:
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game:

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?

Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller:
Least favorite dueller:

Strongest dueller:
Weakest dueller:

Favorite moment in the DL with this game:
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game:

A character you'd like to see added to the game:
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game:


Any other notes/thoughts about the game?

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Also, suggest ideas for what to use in the next round.

[superaielman]

Suikoden 3

Favorite dueller: Melville.  Neat light and I like the character.
Least favorite dueller: Estella. Augh, the uselessness burns.

Strongest dueller: Chris. She's got a lot of flaws in her game, but it's hard to argue with Silent Lake.
Weakest dueller: Connie. If you don't count obvious joke characters, Alanis.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Melville beats Colette! Yay. I expected him to lose horribly to the ToS hype machine there.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Reed getting a deserved win. What the fuck?

A character you'd like to see added to the game: NA.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: We booted em already. (Jimba)

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?

It's overranked some, but I don't care too terribly much in spite of having to do the art. *Twitch* Dear god, that was a bad week. It's a fairly cool DL cast from top to bottom, with even the joke lights having strong followings. Works for me.

Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Guy.
Least favorite dueller: Athos. My respect for him's about a half division or so below everyone else's.

Strongest dueller: Lyn? Donno.
Weakest dueller: Renault.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Guy vs Strago. The right person won there. Guy vs Saki was also cool.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Snowe beating Bartre. Yes, Snowe is that bad.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: NA. Was strongly against Dragon and don't think anything we don't have ranked is worth serious consideration.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Renault and Ursula.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?

I don't mind the game. It wasn't horribly overranked though you can cut a few scrubs, it was more the flooding that caused the problem with the game. Like anything else, too much is very much a bad thing, especially when the duellers are so similiar.

We ranked very little besides bits and pieces in that era, so a widely played game with a large cast was bound to get in a lot. Oh well.

[Luther Lansfeld]

Suikoden 3

Favorite dueller: I like a lot of the duellers from this game, but I'll say Percival because he's hot. Geddoe and Chris are good too.
Least favorite dueller: Roland. There's a reason he's never been in. Dogs also bore me.

Strongest dueller: Chris. Not a terribly strong cast despite size.
Weakest dueller: Connie?

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Nash's championship run was pretty sweet!
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Geddoe beating Nina 4. Just such a rob. -_-

A character you'd like to see added to the game: what
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Pretty much the entire bottom 15 people or so, I am mean.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game? Neat enough cast, too many scrubs at the bottom though. GADGET Z? Bleh.

Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Priscilla and Pent. I am fond of FE mages, and they have good design.
Least favorite dueller: Lundgren or Ursula. Ursula because you don't have to fight her at all, Lun is just boring.

Strongest dueller: Athos.
Weakest dueller: RENAULT?

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Nino losing three times and only getting one win.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Priscilla losing to Rufus and Shante.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: If this were Ciato-ran dictatorship? Farina. In reality, no one.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Ursula


Any other notes/thoughts about the game? Pretty neat DL game.

[DjinnAndTonic]

Suikoden 3

Favorite dueller: Chris Lightfellow, I remember when I first joined the DL, I was so excited to see one of my favorite characters in Godlike. She's the reason I started voting.
Least favorite dueller: Luc, because he'd be much more fun if his S3 wasn't the only form used.

Strongest dueller: Chris, maybe?
Weakest dueller: Kenji, Nei, Rody? Any of the dogs? There's a reason the term 'Suikoscrubs' exists.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: So many good moments... Rody's match was great hilarious amounts of fail.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Chris getting matched up against Malik. ...spoiler bastard.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: Is there anyone left? How about the True Rune Incarnations?
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: There's a few, really. But I'm done complaining about S3 overranking. It's better than overranking a less fun game with less fun characters.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game? It's a Suikoden game, as much as I love all the characters, they always feel extraneous and unimportant.

Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Lyn! <3 I'm not sure why I love Lyn. It just happened suddenly one day. Lyn and Chris are coincidentally my two favorite female leads ever.
Least favorite dueller: Damn near everyone else.

Strongest dueller: Lyn, actually. Although Athos has UOM powers.
Weakest dueller: Probably Serra, despite being a better draw than most of the other FE7 Lights.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Can't think of one. Anytime Serra was in was pretty funny.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Eh... the floods of FE characters.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: Dear god no.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Pretty much everyone in Middle. The Heavies are interesting enough and the Lights are hilarious fail (and the more interesting/memorable characters, with a few exceptions). But the Middles... about as 2-dimensional and bland as can be, including Eliwood. Well, it's a bit of a generalization, Sain and Jaffar are middles and they're okay.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game? Hilariously overranked. FE8 is even worse about it. But I've learned to live with it.

-Djinn

[VySaika]

Suikoden 3

Favorite dueller: Hmm, Hugo? 2 runes, solid physical game, evasive as hell. All around interesting and just plain good.
Least favorite dueller: Uh, all the dogs except the one who's actuall a star.

Strongest dueller: Chris.
Weakest dueller: Connie.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Hugo making the Heavy finals was good. Lost to Purim, but eh, it's Purim, she does that to people.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: I dunno.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: None. Overanked as it is.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: The non-star dogs, some of the other random scrubs.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?

Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Toss up between Guy and Fiora.
Least favorite dueller: Nino.

Strongest dueller: Athos. Lyn is almost better, but not quite.
Weakest dueller: Uh, Renault?

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Nothing springs to mind in particular.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Same. The massive FE invasions were before me, i think.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: None.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Nino, Ursula.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?

Next time: OB and FF4

[Luther Lansfeld]

How is FE8 more overranked than FE7? It's a 39-23 ratio for ONE THING, the characters that were plot important were ranked and the ones who weren't weren't for the most part, whereas FE7 has all the PCs that were splitpath ranked? I don't see how ranking PCs from a game is overranking it ANYWAY, but I'd like to hear what the logic is here? Obviously there are a couple missteps but that happens in most games, but I'd like to know what makes FE7/FE8 so special in this regard.

[Grefter]

Probably should keep an argument over that for a different topic Ciato (That feels the wrong way around).  I am confused by it as well though since I fought hard to try and make sure FE8 wasn't overranked and while disappointed at the time that there was so much, it was far less than there could have been and less useless junk and hype than there was for FE7 (GOOOOOOOO HYPE FOR A HARD MODE ONLY PC!!!!!!)

[Luther Lansfeld]

There was one FE8 ranking in particular that was just weird (like Forde and no Kyle? or something really silly) and Garcia/Artur is a pretty bad rank, but most of them seem like major plot players and some fan favorites like Lute and Marisa. I'm not trying to start a massive argument, but I don't think one should make obviously false statement in thist topic either, you know?

[Shale]

Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Nils, for RPGMon value.
Least favorite dueller: The ones who put me to sleep by being boring generic fighters with variety only in their raw stats. So, everybody but Nils.

Strongest dueller: Probably Lyn?
Weakest dueller: Sadly Nils.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Whenever some other game gets in instead.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Whenever the above doesn't happen.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: None.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Loooooong list there. I wouldn't mind booting everyone but the Lords and Nergal.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game? Zzzzzzzzz....

[Dark Holy Elf]

Suikoden 3

Favorite dueller: Hugo, I think. By Suikoden standards he's a swiss army knife, and I like the character too. Also Percival, Emily, Lilly, etc. are a lot of fun.
Least favorite dueller: I, uh. Am not sure I dislike anyone from this game. Maaaybe Yuber since the boss form is a headache. Or Sarah but she's a total DL non-factor. Don't mind either too much. There are also a few scrubs that manage to be boring about it, like Roland, though most are more interesting.

Strongest dueller: Chris.
Weakest dueller: Connie.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Rhett title? Sgt. Joe title? Emily title? There's a lot to like, here. Hugo knocking some heads, such as Id's? Bunch to like, here.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Honourary mention for Luc High Godlike hype. Yes, it's not the DL, technically. It still works.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: None.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: None (now that Jimba and Guillaume are gone). Don't get Suikodog antihype, they're really popular. If you're going to have Punies you might as well have ones people like to see, and ones that can draw at that.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game? It just generally wins. Can draw, popular, offers plenty of excitement in every division (only one bona fide Godlike but she's an interesting spoiler). One of the defining DL games to me.

Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Lucius? Sure.
Least favorite dueller: Nergal, in-game puny that he is.

Strongest dueller: Athos. Don't really understand the disrespect some have, honestly.
Weakest dueller: Renault. Tink.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Lyn's title. She had no business being in Middle and she got to prove it. Smash.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: People whining about the constant Middle domination. Don't like it, don't underrank it. And don't pretend it's a flood, either - FE wasn't notable for getting lots of duellers in besides one season, it was notable for them winning.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: Batta the Beast!
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Don't really have any problems here.


Any other notes/thoughts about the game? I can kinda understand the hate counters attract, though not really (other cast advantages like lots of people getting healing or status or good equips never seem frowned upon...). I find it neat, of course.


Next time: Final Fantasy 4 and Wild Arms 4

[ThePiggyman]

Suikoden 3

Favorite dueller: Hugo
The kid's fast and strong. I love seeing his fights.

Least favorite dueller: Kenji
Suckage is not acceptable.

Strongest dueller: Chris Lightfellow
Silent Lake works.

Weakest dueller: Kenji
Did I mention he sucks?

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Sgt. Joe champing? That must have been neat.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Twaikin's been missing for awhile... I'd like to see him in action again.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: Eh, nobody, really.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: The dogs, honestly.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game? - Yeah, Bright, Roland and Dupa need a match.

Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Err... Marcus?
Just because it's Marcus. I don't really have a pick here.

Least favorite dueller: Renault
Unfortunately for Renault, he's really, and I dislike really weak chars.

Strongest dueller: Athos
He's pretty strong... I guess.

Weakest dueller: Renault
Too bad, he's one of the few characters in the game I respect.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Nothing comes to mind.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Still got nothing...

A character you'd like to see added to the game: Geitz
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Nobody really...


Any other notes/thoughts about the game? - Nada.

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Final Fantasy IV and Chrono Cross

[Ultradude]

Suikoden 3

Favorite dueller: I seem to root for Cecile more than any other S3 character for some inane reason. HM to Sharon, Hugo, and Emily.
Least favorite dueller: Rody? Kenji? Pretty much any non-dog scrub. Dogs are cool.

Strongest dueller: Chris Lightfellow, the only actual godlike in the cast.
Weakest dueller: I guess Connie's the weakest dog.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Juan's championship.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Landis in light.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: None.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Probably a few, for all that I wouldn't want to boot them now.

Great cast with lots of variety and a few really cool standouts.

Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Florina. Peg. knights are great.
Least favorite dueller: Isadora.

Strongest dueller: Athos. Brings the pain like no one else.
Weakest dueller: Renault, king of no damage.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Lyn's championship.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Kent losing to Sheena. She sucks.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: Glass. The god's fear his name.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Echoes of S3; a decent number, but wouldn't boot any now.

As much as I love FE, it's not the most interesting DL game; Radiant Dawn skills might make the series a bit more interesting, maybe.

Next up - WA3 and FE8

[superaielman]

Probably should keep an argument over that for a different topic Ciato (That feels the wrong way around).  I am confused by it as well though since I fought hard to try and make sure FE8 wasn't overranked and while disappointed at the time that there was so much, it was far less than there could have been and less useless junk and hype than there was for FE7 (GOOOOOOOO HYPE FOR A HARD MODE ONLY PC!!!!!!)

Don't mind the debate,it's definitely part of the game and worth talking about. In the case of FE and Suikoden and games that have similiar duelling styles over the series: Less very much is more over the long haul, as shown by the reluctance to rank a say a Nelis compared to a Crowley.

And don't pretend it's a flood, either - FE wasn't notable for getting lots of duellers in besides one season, it was notable for them winning.

Are you arguing that FE7 didn't flood overall, or that it didn't flood middle overall?

[Lance]

Suikoden 3

Favorite dueler: Juan?  Chris?  Hugo?  Emily?  Nash?  I can't decide.  Too many likable characters here.
Least favorite dueler: Nei

Strongest dueler: Chris
Weakest dueler: One of the dogs.  Hell if I can remember which is which.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Either Juan's championship or Emily making it to Godlike.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Chris losing to Tir in season 21.  If she had won that match, she might have been able to spoil Ghaleon for the championship.  That would have been pretty sweet.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: Nah, it has plenty of characters ranked.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Kenji.  Completely useless.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?  Interesting cast of characters and such.  It has something to offer in all four divisions and is generally a very popular and well-loved game.



Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueler: Canas.  One of these days I'll figure out why.
Least favorite dueler: Dorcas.  Mostly because I spent way too much time trying to train him before I realized he was worthless.

Strongest dueler: Lyn.  Athos is a close second.
Weakest dueler: Dorcas

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Limstella and Lyn both spoiling Jeremy.  That was just hilarious.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Serra losing to Koyu.  Sigh.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: Dragon, maybe?  Meh.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Hawkeye, Renault, Louise, Lundgren, Isadora, and maybe a couple others.  They all feel extraneous.  I like Ursula for some reason, though.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?  Nope.

Suggestions for next time: Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 4

[OblivionKnight]

Suikoden 3

Favorite dueller: One of the Lights.  They're all awesome - Connie, Rody, Piccolo...Well, not Roland, but...the REALLY AWESOME LIGHTS (like Kosanji!).  I'll go with Connie, for Pale Gate Hype.  Although Sasarai is up there - the only non-Light I think I love.
Least favorite dueller: Chris,  Don't like her as a character, don't like her much as a fighter.  Also think she's...probably the weakest Godlike?  Just bores me too, which isn't good.

Strongest dueller: Uh...Luc.  Boss form with full allowances will do that.  Not great, but...even the PC form is decent enough.
Weakest dueller: Connie? 

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Eh...no idea.  None, really.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: None.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: ...uh...didn't we kind of rank everyone?  Except Jimba?  Well, actually, he'd be one I would rank.  So him.  <_<
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Honestly, with me, I'm all for ranking everything from a game.  If I had to go Devil's Advocate, I'd...probably say to cull nearly everything except forced characters?  Bleh, don't like some characters, but can't see a reason to kick em.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?
Game inspires apathy in all ways.  3/10.


Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Hector.  Just love the guy as a character and as a fighter.  Cool looking too.
Least favorite dueller: Elitard.  GAH.

Strongest dueller: Probably...mmm...Athos?  It's pretty close up top.  If you allow the Dark books, he takes it, otherwise...it's close.  Probably go with him anyway, as he has a good combination of abilities otherwise.
Weakest dueller: Uh...honestly, they're all pretty close down there.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Mmm...nothing stands o...wait, Elitard having only losses to his name, getting mauled by Raven.  Yay dead Elitard. 
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: I think Florina won a match?  That goes here.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: All the skipped characters, including bosses.  No Dragon, but Sonia, Lloyd, Linus, etc.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Elitard and Florina.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?
Like the game, decent overall.  A smaller cast, with more unique or special weapons, a more unique stat-spread, etc., would make it more like other games, but it's got its charm like this.  7/10.

For next round, how about Persona 2 (or PersonaAll) and WA3.

[Dhyerwolf]

Suikoden 3

Favorite dueller: Sasarai. OHKO damage, Magic Spoilar. Cool duelling type. Hugo (Versatility), Estella (85% Damage in Light), and PC Luc (Yes, I said it. Luc is a worthless troll, but his PC form is actually a cool dueller) are high up there.
Least favorite dueller: Non-star dogs works.

Strongest dueller: Chris
Weakest dueller: Connie

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Jimba is booted! Yay worthless filler being booted!
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Shabon losing to Jane.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: No.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Non-Star Dogs, Kenji, Rody, Wan Fu, Sanae, Belle, Gadget Z, Lulu, Nei, Mel, and Toppo are all there! The rest are usually forced or have something cool about them. These ones are extraneous and just generally bad. Why have more people to bring down a division when you don't have to?

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?
I'd like it a lot more if the filler was removed. As is, it clogs down the game a lot to me.

Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Nergal.
Least favorite dueller: Nino

Strongest dueller: Lyn likely.
Weakest dueller: Renault

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: When they lose in round 1.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Lucius getting to the Light finals over someone who halved his damage and had healing and someone who smashes him into little pieces.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: Nope.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Wil, Nino, Louise, others. Why do I not list the others? Because all the characters have such little plot relevance that it would be hard to pick out. But I'd probably rank about half the current cast at most.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?
Free Counters hurt my soul. Comparing them to skillsets doesn't really work because counters are just something that every enemy has in game, and therefore are a giant doubled edged sword with the disadvantage nulled in the DL.

[Meeplelard]

Suikoden 3

Favorite dueller: Unsure.  Decent number to choose from.
Least favorite dueller: Any Suikodog.  Yes, you read that right.  Occasional Horrid fail is fine...but 5 PCs from one game, who are basically slight variants of each other? Its basically saying "hey, we can keep nomming them and getting them in until one faces Jogurt!"  No, just...they aren't even comic relief.

Strongest dueller: Chris, I guess.  Silent Lake cheese.
Weakest dueller: Connie, I think, was the really weak dog?

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: None offhand.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Chris beating Terra, I don't have to say why.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: This game has just about everything you could possibly rank without going into plotless bosses, so AHAAHAHAHAH to this one.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Suikodogs not Koroku; at least he's a Star, and having one in isn't such a bad thing, but all 5 is just argh.


Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Athos. Unlike the rest of his cast, his options don't resort around "manipulate damage, accuracy and Crit rates!"  Elemental damage, and he has MORE than other Mages anyway, as well as 2 weapons that boost stats that weapons don't usually raise, and Parasitic Healing and ITD...yeah, an actual neat dueler.
Least favorite dueller: Guy.  Inflated in the DL to the point where its annoying.

Strongest dueller: Athos. No real contest.  Durable, lots of tricks, not horridly slow, what have you.
Weakest dueller: Renault. Ok, lets see...he's got Magic Defense! And isn't completely frail!  However, his damage is just unforgivably bad *AND* its forced into a specific element too (one that isn't that uncommonly blocked either.) Did I forget to mention his damage gets WORSE if he faces most elements not Darkness?

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: EDIT: Lyn's Middle Title. Yeah, can't believe I forgot that.  First time in and she completely dominated, much to everyone's prediction, its nice to see a dueler make up for their own disrespect <_<
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Hector vs. Vincent, mostly cause the argument that provoked was just really annoying.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: Umm...hmm...Harken or Farina, I guess?  Unsure, well ranked game, even though not everyone was ranked.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Well ranked game, again.

[Grefter]

Fine room, for debate?

Don't pretend that the FE7 didn't ever die down a bit, don't pretend that it wasn't a constant steady stream for months and don't pretend that people threw the same characters up and they got back in almost immediately after they came available for nomination again.

You see a lot of CC in, you don't see chain seasons of Korcha getting cycled in.

Argue that it wasn't a "flood" all you want, it was damned well overexposed at its peak and any argument otherwise is nonsense.  The people that were sick of it didn't go out and anti-vote them at ranking.  The people that were sick of it were the same ones that could barely stomach the game, as if they had played it enough to rank them.

Edit - Lets actually play the respond to the topic game.

Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Dark Magic Guy With Monocle.  I can't remember his name, but plenty of tricks and not LEWL I AM SUPER like Athos.  FE7 character with a relevant "skillset" wooo!
Least favorite dueller: That Paladin that was in light and showed up like every third season.

Strongest dueller: Athos. END GAME BROKEN PC IS BROKE!
Weakest dueller: Renault. END GAME HEALER WITH NO ATTACK IS NOT BROKEN!

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: FE8 getting a good thinking about its ranking.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: HEY GUYS LETS SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS THE INDEPTH MECHANICS OF THIS GAME FOR 168 HOURS WITHOUT SLEEPING.  OMG NOW RANK EVERYTHING AND NOM EVERY CHARACTER IN IT LIKE FOR 9 MONTHS STRAIGHT!

A character you'd like to see added to the game: We totally should have that end game boss with no lines and is stupid bullshit in game because overinflated plotless final bosses are the best ranks ever.  Like Necron.  Also all hard mode only PCs, replay only PCs and PCs that cost 50 thousand dollars to buy in a game where the standard economy of late game equipment is in the low thousands.  They are good ranks that everyone will know.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: There is not a single character we should not have ranked from this game.  RANK DENNING!

[Twilkitri]

Thhhh. On the one hand you've got the people who watch the DL to see characters beat other characters, on the other hand you've got the people who watch to see which skillsets can beat which skillsets. Side A doesn't care if Bob and Steve are both exactly the same in every single way that matters, if Bob wins a championship Steve still hasn't won one, whether he would have or not had he been in Bob's place is completely immaterial. Side B wants Steve deranked even if Steve is from a completely different game series because there's no point having him in as well as Bob because they both function exactly the same. It's a bunch of freaking mutual exclusives, it's never going to be resolved to the satisfaction of anyone generally on either side, it is so not worth spending time complaining about. Take the middle road with a partialistic ranking like FE8? It's not enough characters for A, it's still too many for B.


Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: I'm going to go with Nino because the reactions/antihype are mildly amusing.
Least favorite dueller: Lyn. Because I don't like her.

Strongest dueller: I'm afraid I'm going to have to flagrantly violate regulations and say Fire Dragon for his role in onsite NR.
Weakest dueller: It ought to be Lyn. But unfortunately I don't appear to be able to legitimately back that up as long as the likes of Serra, Renault, Isadora et al exist.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Apparently it hasn't happened yet because nothing is coming to mind.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: The arguments. Oh god the arguments.

A character you'd like to see ranked from this game: Merlinus for pure stupid humour value. Runs over Palmer.
A character you'd like to see deranked from this game: I have the right to remain silent because anything I post can and will be used against me for no apparent reason.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game? FE system does not mesh well with the majority of games in the DL. I believe I have said this before.


...hard mode only PCs...?

[Taishyr]

Suikoden 3

Favorite dueller: Geddoe. Chris places close second, Fubar third, Emily fourth. (...what?)
Least favorite dueller: Uh hell um Toppo.

Strongest dueller: Chris.
Weakest dueller: ...Suikodog.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Uhhhhhhhhhh
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Chris running into Malik. Lord that was a pathetic match.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: We have anyone left to rank that wasn't stupid plot?
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Uhm. A decent amount. Landis strikes me as the most obnoxious, here.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?

Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Hector.
Least favorite dueller:  Eliwood.

Strongest dueller: ...Hector. What.
Weakest dueller: Uh, hell. Renault, I guess? Why did we rank him again?

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: None.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: The discussion. Also, attempting to read the stat topic. DEAR GOD, attempting to read the stat topic. I don't allow FE7 in RPGmon matches I ref solely for my hate of that topic. It's... got lots of info! And I can't make heads or tales of any of it because it all feels so unintuitive. Blaaaaaah. I admire the work in it, but...

A character you'd like to see added to the game: We have people left to rank here?
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: Uh, a decent few non-central characters. (Mainly looking at mid-lategame recruits with little commentary, here)

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?

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Chrono Trigger, Wild Arms 4.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Are you arguing that FE7 didn't flood overall, or that it didn't flood middle overall?

It's been ages since I've actually looked at this, but if you look at the number of characters FE7 got in per season outside... 14? ... it completely fails at being notable at all for a cast of that size. (i.e. comparable to a single Suiko) People just bitched about it more because (a) constant chat chatter, as Grefter aluded to, (b) they kept on WINNING, something large casts have historically sucked at (hi, CC).

[superaielman]

Are you arguing that FE7 didn't flood overall, or that it didn't flood middle overall?

It's been ages since I've actually looked at this, but if you look at the number of characters FE7 got in per season outside... 14? ... it completely fails at being notable at all for a cast of that size. (i.e. comparable to a single Suiko) People just bitched about it more because (a) constant chat chatter, as Grefter aluded to, (b) they kept on WINNING, something large casts have historically sucked at (hi, CC).

It averaged three or so characters for something like eight or nine seasons in a row? It was definitely a flood at the time and the overall FE flood didn't really die down till after the major players in FE8 got in.

[Luther Lansfeld]

It was definitely a flood, but I call BS on people nomming them consectutively at all. Only three people got in within six seasons of their first nomination that were in during that era, as opposed to the thirteen people who have never returned to the DL after their initial stint. And those paladins who get in Light every third season? Both of them got in nine seasons after their first time. (This being a sampling of a ten season era from its ranking on.)

Flood was definitely there, though.  Season 14 had six FE7ers, Season 15 had five, and Seasons 16-19 had three a piece. So it wasn't eight or nine seasons, just six. Still a lot.

[074]

Suikoden 3

Favorite dueller: I'd have to say Geddoe.  Fun ball-lightning(no pun intended) type who does need some more time in the league.
Least favorite dueller: Dogs, Runeless Scrubs, name ANY of them, they fit here.

Strongest dueller: Chris, obviously.  Only Godlike from S3, and one that actually wins matches, even if from spoiling.
Weakest dueller: One of the dogs.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: Joker making it to the finals?  Can't think of much here.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: Scar's Nash Hype in his match against Kyra.  Irritated the hell out of me.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: None.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: There's quite a few randoms I'd like to cull from the herd.  Most of them being the rather boring Suikoscrub types--but I'm always like that in regards to Suikoden games.

Any other notes/thoughts about the game?  DEAR GOD LARGE CAST.

Fire Emblem 7

Favorite dueller: Hector.  Why I'm amused by the Axe-to-the-face running gag, I'll never know, but I am.
Least favorite dueller: ...Do I have to name just one?

Strongest dueller: Athos, I guess.  Mage with actual variety in a FE game?  Even if he seems like a generic UOM type, he manages to get points for actually having variety.  IN A FE GAME.
Weakest dueller: Can't say.  Either Serra or Renault, I guess.  Or a prepromo.

Favorite moment in the DL with this game: ...Nope, can't think of one.
Least favorite moment in the DL with this game: COUNTER.  HYPE.  DEAR GOD THE STUPID COUNTER HYPE.  Alternatively, Jeremy getting spoiled not once, but twice by FE7 duellers.

A character you'd like to see added to the game: Nobody.
A character you wouldn't have ranked from this game: ...I can't name just one.


Any other notes/thoughts about the game? I...don't really care for the FEs that much.  And I don't understand the logic that some people bring to allowing them counters, but penalizing SRW duellers for theirs, so on.


Next up: Wild ARMs 4, Star Ocean 3

[Grefter]

Six seasons is 36 weeks which is just shy of nine months like I said.

Oh whoops I forgot to differentiate between two FE paladins.  My bad there.  Case in point though.  Nino.  Yes she got in on sod all noms.  It happened, it blew, it was just an example of chain nomming.

Fuck this winning shit, I don't care if they won or lost, the game was just overexposed.  I was sick of disucssing it, I was sick of looking at it, I was sick of the arguments over how to interpret it because each and everyone of them went of for fucking ages.