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Proving Grounds M/H 4: These three would make a kickass crime fighting team.
« on: June 17, 2009, 04:39:19 AM »
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Domo Arigato, Mr Robo. P4 keeps on kicking ass, while Slade limps into the next round.

This week!

Naoto- Defender of Justice!
Flay- Defender of Justice! Boy, he and Naoto are about as polar opposites on that as you can get.
Max-  *Mutter mutter Max in Middle so wrong mutter *

Naoto Shirogane (P4) vs Reno (FF7)
Naoto vs Fogel (OB)
Naoto vs Kasumi (Suikos)
Naoto vs Neclord (Suikos)
Naoto vs Selan (Lufia 2)
Naoto vs Knight (FF1)
Naoto vs Frog (CT)
Naoto vs Domingo (SF1)
Naoto vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)
Naoto vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)
Naoto vs Killey (Suikos)
Naoto vs Jill Fizzart (FE9)

Flay Gunnar (MK) vs Reno (FF7)
Flay vs Fogel (OB)
Flay vs Kasumi (Suikos)
Flay vs Neclord (Suikos)
Flay vs Selan (Lufia 2)
Flay vs Knight (FF1)
Flay vs Frog (CT)
Flay vs Domingo (SF1)
Flay vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)
Flay vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)
Flay vs Killey (Suikos)
Flay vs Jill Fizzart (FE9)

Max (SF1) vs Reno (FF7)
Max vs Fogel (OB)
Max vs Kasumi (Suikos)
Max vs Neclord (Suikos)
Max vs Selan (Lufia 2)
Max vs Knight (FF1)
Max vs Frog (CT)
Max vs Domingo (SF1)
Max vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)
Max vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)
Max vs Killey (Suikos)
Max vs Jill Fizzart (FE9)
« Last Edit: June 17, 2009, 05:53:23 PM by superaielman »
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 4: These three would make a kickass crime fighting team.
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2009, 05:12:06 AM »
Naoto Shirogane (P4) vs Reno (FF7)- Don't think she can outrace Neo Turk Light.
Naoto vs Fogel (OB)- Heavily resists her ID, OHKOs as soon as he hits.
Naoto vs Kasumi (Lufias)- Kasumi's faster and should 2HKO. Naoto needs way too much luck with her ID hitting to make it a fight.
Naoto vs Neclord (Suikos)- ID immune, has some HP.
Naoto vs Selan (Lufia 2)- Can outlast Naoto's evasion and immunes ID.
Naoto vs Knight (FF1)- Immunes ID and is a massive tank.
Naoto vs Frog (CT)- ID.
Naoto vs Domingo (SF1)- Should win a status war.
Naoto vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)- Naoto resists fire.
Naoto vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)
Naoto vs Killey (Suikos)- Resists fire.

Flay Gunnar (MK) vs Reno (FF7)- Should outslug Reno easily enough.
Flay vs Fogel (OB)- Fighter versus Fogel. Check please.
Flay vs Kasumi (Lufias)- Kasumi's not that evasive. Flay's good defense should keep him in it in spite of the speed gap.
Flay vs Neclord (Suikos)- Boss mage. Up for arguments here, but I don't think Flay can scrape up the damage in time.
Flay vs Selan (Lufia 2)- Raiden charge+big screw lets him get around limits.
Flay vs Knight (FF1)- Flay is out of his league against this kind of tanking.
Flay vs Frog (CT)- MK cast (sans Muppy) kicks Frog's ass.
Flay vs Domingo (SF1)- Desoul spoils Flay perfectly, and Domingo may well outslug anyway.
Flay vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)- I... don't think sleep is enough? Flay gets first crack at things at worst.
Flay vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)- Magic works here.
Flay vs Killey (Suikos)- Should be able to blitz.

Max (SF1) vs Reno (FF7)- *splat*
Max vs Fogel (OB)- Max, before he tries to fights Fogel:

Max, after he tries to fight Fogel:

Max vs Kasumi (Lufias)- Supernova roasting time!
Max vs Neclord (Suikos)- Kneejerking Max going first here, which may be enough.
Max vs Selan (Lufia 2)- Crit is probably fatal, but I don't think he gets one in time.
Max vs Knight (FF1)- Better tank.
Max vs Frog (CT)- Heal lock.
Max vs Domingo (SF1)- Think he's faster.
Max vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)- Mres should hold off Sleep.
Max vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)- I think?
Max vs Killey (Suikos)- Doesn't resist magic by enough.

Max: 6-5
Naoto: 5-6
Flay: 5-6
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 4: These three would make a kickass crime fighting team.
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2009, 06:58:46 PM »
Naoto Shirogane (P4) vs Reno (FF7)- Hum.  Yeah, he can pull something out of his ass here.
Naoto vs Kasumi (Lufias)
Naoto vs Neclord (Suikos)- One thing Neclord does right is durability.
Naoto vs Selan (Lufia 2)- Eh sure, hop hop.
Naoto vs Knight (FF1)
Naoto vs Frog (CT)
Naoto vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)
Naoto vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)
Naoto vs Killey (Suikos)
Naoto vs Jill Fizzart (FE9)

7/10

Flay Gunnar (MK) vs Reno (FF7)
Flay vs Kasumi (Lufias)- Kneejerk that with his HP, after Last Stand kicks in Kasumi falls short of a 3HKO she needs.
Flay vs Neclord (Suikos)- Lightning halving.  Last Stand could give Flay the turns he needs but... seems sorta doubtful.
Flay vs Selan (Lufia 2)
Flay vs Knight (FF1)
Flay vs Frog (CT)
Flay vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)
Flay vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)
Flay vs Killey (Suikos)
Flay vs Jill Fizzart (FE9)- Jill has some damage manipulation skillz, but feels like Blocker fucks her up there.

6/10
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 4: These three would make a kickass crime fighting team.
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2009, 07:06:33 PM »
Naoto Shirogane (P4) vs Reno (FF7) - Even if Pyramid is evadable, she doesn't kill in three turns (...).
Naoto vs Fogel (OB) - Resists ID, Holy, Dark AND is crazy accurate. Yeah, that's working.
Naoto vs Kasumi (Suikos) - EDIT: Oops, Auto-Endure. This means Kasumi would have to 3-2 and... no, don't think she's quite -that- fast.
Naoto vs Neclord (Suikos) - You should have rerolled. =|
Naoto vs Selan (Lufia 2) - ID-IMMUNE HEALER. Naoto's shoddy weapon status doesn't save her here.
Naoto vs Knight (FF1) - Once the evade runs out, Knight is very much set. Naoto is five-turning at best while Knight 2HKOs with rather startling ease. Worst part is that his suckass healing may outheal Megidolaons before MC. =|
Naoto vs Frog (CT) - ID.
Naoto vs Domingo (SF1) - ID and evade.
Naoto vs Lucca Ashtear (CT) - ... this is Naoto vs. Wugui all over again, only Lucca is frailer and borderline 4HKOs instead of 2HKOing with multi-hit shit. Yeah, the Auto-Endure probably tips this, along with the chance of a crit.
Naoto vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos) - Yeah.
Naoto vs Killey (Suikos) - Killey borderline 2HKOs through resistance, but the evade still gives Naoto enough turns.

Flay Gunnar (MK) vs Reno (FF7) - Pyramid.
Flay vs Fogel (OB) - While Flay is pretty good against physicals, trying to run against Fogel of the 8x PC HP against physical damage still doesn't work. Defense Down probably isn't enough.
Flay vs Kasumi (Suikos) - Buster Star quite possibly one-turns, and I don't think she 4-2s here due to Last Stand+Flay's speed sucking less past turn one.
Flay vs Neclord (Suikos) - Neclord's best damage is his physical. 3HKO magic against Flay when you're slow and not immensely durable doesn't work.
Flay vs Selan (Lufia 2) - Immunes Sleep, Buster Star takes care of the rest.
Flay vs Knight (FF1) - Outdamages so vastly that it doesn't matter. Ruse could switch things around, but I don't give him that.
Flay vs Frog (CT) - Frog fails against MK.
Flay vs Domingo (SF1) - Domingo's magic is enough here. Pretty sure he can chip-2HKO, and he's faster and durable enough.
Flay vs Lucca Ashtear (CT) - Buster Star crush.
Flay vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos) - Chip-2HKO off better speed.
Flay vs Killey (Suikos) - I... don't think Flay OHKOs. Buster Star one-turns if it connects fully, but I don't think it quite does.

Rest later.

Max (SF1) vs Reno (FF7) - Pyramid.
Max vs Fogel (OB) - HA HA HA HA HA
Max vs Kasumi (Suikos) - Not a bad match, is my kneejerk? But Kasumi doesn't 3HKO him and he does 2HKO her. Evade could tip it, but nah.
Max vs Neclord (Suikos) - Should 3HKO first.
Max vs Selan (Lufia 2) - Max can't OHKO and has no real damage control.
Max vs Knight (FF1) - I... think? Close match.
Max vs Frog (CT) - Frog sorta sucks.
Max vs Domingo (SF1) - I think Domingo avoids the 2HKO, if barely. Max... not really.
Max vs Lucca Ashtear (CT) - That opening physical is just irrecoverable.
Max vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos) - 2HKOs first.
Max vs Killey (Suikos) - Giving him the benefit of doubt on that OHKO. He needs it.
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 4: These three would make a kickass crime fighting team.
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2009, 08:41:11 PM »
Max vs Knight (FF1)
Max vs Frog (CT)
Max vs Domingo (SF1)
Max vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 4: These three would make a kickass crime fighting team.
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2009, 09:33:47 AM »
Naoto Shirogane (P4) vs Reno (FF7)
Naoto vs Fogel (OB)
Naoto vs Kasumi (Suikos)
Naoto vs Neclord (Suikos)
Naoto vs Selan (Lufia 2)- Don't find Bunny Rings legal and such.
Naoto vs Knight (FF1)- This is kind of a gut check, but Auto-Sukukuja+Fear Weapon probably being turn 2 against Knight...DoS Knight isn't very impressive and such.
Naoto vs Frog (CT)
Naoto vs Domingo (SF1)
Naoto vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)
Naoto vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)
Naoto vs Killey (Suikos)
Naoto vs Jill Fizzart (FE9)

Flay Gunnar (MK) vs Reno (FF7)
Flay vs Fogel (OB)
Flay vs Kasumi (Suikos)
Flay vs Neclord (Suikos)
Flay vs Selan (Lufia 2)
Flay vs Knight (FF1)
Flay vs Frog (CT)
Flay vs Domingo (SF1)
Flay vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)
Flay vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)
Flay vs Killey (Suikos)
Flay vs Jill Fizzart (FE9)

Max (SF1) vs Reno (FF7)
Max vs Fogel (OB)
Max vs Kasumi (Suikos)
Max vs Neclord (Suikos)
Max vs Selan (Lufia 2)
Max vs Knight (FF1)- Better speed
Max vs Frog (CT)- Max barely 2HKOs here, but he does it.
Max vs Domingo (SF1)
Max vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)
Max vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)
Max vs Killey (Suikos)
Max vs Jill Fizzart (FE9)

Naoto 9-3 (3-3, 6-0; ID ate Middle, took out some Heavies; I'd say that evasion tricks bought a win against a Heavy, but DoS Knight not has struck me as all that passable of a Heavy thanks to the Mdef).
Flay 7-5 (4-2, 3-3)
Max 5-7 (2-4, 3-3. Wishes that his speed had a greater effect, since Knight/Sheena/Killey all came down to his opponent's being a bit faster)
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 4: These three would make a kickass crime fighting team.
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2009, 09:20:49 PM »
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 4: These three would make a kickass crime fighting team.
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2009, 07:34:42 AM »
Max (SF1) vs Reno (FF7)
Max vs Fogel (OB)
Max vs Kasumi (Suikos)
Max vs Neclord (Suikos)
Max vs Selan (Lufia 2)
Max vs Knight (FF1)
Max vs Frog (CT)
Max vs Domingo (SF1)
Max vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)
Max vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)
Max vs Killey (Suikos)
Max vs Jill Fizzart (FE9) - But but Weapon Triangle Advantage!
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 4: These three would make a kickass crime fighting team.
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2009, 04:31:39 AM »
Naoto Shirogane (P4) vs Reno (FF7) - Pyramid. And thank god. Otherwise this match is *GIANT PSYDUCK*
Naoto vs Killey (Suikos) - Resists fire. S5 Killey could try outpacing with physicals, but the IDs going to hit before then
Naoto vs Jill Fizzart (FE9) - Assuming Jill doesn't double? If she does...this is probably closer but hm...thinking Naoto's ID is definitely turn 2 here, so Jill's options are limited and that evade boosting armor available to the girls can put a wrench into things.

Flay Gunnar (MK) vs Reno (FF7) - Pyramid. Wins if it didn't exist though!
Flay vs Killey (Suikos) - Flay on the other hand, doesn't resist Fire IIRC. So Killey goes to town here
Flay vs Jill Fizzart (FE9) - My kneejerk is that Buster Star doesn't force counters. Jill also runs into the problem with Blocker kicking in at the worst time possible since she does not want to trigger Last Stand. Granted, that's only 25%. But each time it occurs is a set back.
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 4: These three would make a kickass crime fighting team.
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2009, 08:22:30 PM »
Naoto Shirogane (P4) vs Reno (FF7) - Pyramid or Neo Turk Light.  Poor Naoto-sama...
Naoto vs Selan (Lufia 2) - I don't remember seeing Bunny Rings in L2, abstaining.
Naoto vs Knight (FF1) - Outslugs, even past evasion setup, and immunes ID.  Poor Naoto-sama...
Naoto vs Frog (CT) - ID
Naoto vs Domingo (SF1) - Immunes the death, probably gets out her own ID in time.
Naoto vs Lucca Ashtear (CT) - ID

Max (SF1) vs Reno (FF7) - See above.
Max vs Selan (Lufia 2) - I'd like to say she outslugs
Max vs Knight (FF1) - Going by ShF1o Max.  Who lacks Supernova.  And whose best damage is in the Chaos Breaker's item use.  Sucks to be you.
Max vs Frog (CT) - ...I do remember Max's physical being very solid in-game, though.  Likely heal-locking.
Max vs Domingo (SF1) - oh god
Max vs Lucca Ashtear (CT) - Crunch.
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Re: Proving Grounds M/H 4: These three would make a kickass crime fighting team.
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2009, 11:57:01 PM »
Naoto Shirogane (P4) vs Reno (FF7): Pyramid I guess.
Naoto vs Fogel (OB): Damn it Super we get the picture. Give the bastard a rest.
Naoto vs Kasumi (Suikos): ID.
Naoto vs Neclord (Suikos): Neclord sucks without that ID.
Naoto vs Selan (Lufia 2): She could get ID immunity? Whatever then. Maybe Naoto has some other status.
Naoto vs Knight (FF1)
Naoto vs Frog (CT): Everyone below here gets owned by Endure+ID.
Naoto vs Domingo (SF1)
Naoto vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)
Naoto vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)
Naoto vs Killey (Suikos)
Naoto vs Jill Fizzart (FE9)

Flay Gunnar (MK) vs Reno (FF7): Aroma
Flay vs Fogel (OB): I guess.
Flay vs Kasumi (Suikos): Too much damage.
Flay vs Neclord (Suikos): ID or something? Bah.
Flay vs Selan (Lufia 2): Splatters her over the wall.
Flay vs Knight (FF1): I assume he puts out enough blades.
Flay vs Frog (CT)
Flay vs Domingo (SF1): Think he kills first.
Flay vs Lucca Ashtear (CT): Splat
Flay vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos): I guess.
Flay vs Killey (Suikos)
Flay vs Jill Fizzart (FE9): Doubles, Stun.

Max (SF1) vs Reno (FF7)
Max vs Fogel (OB)
Max vs Kasumi (Suikos)
Max vs Neclord (Suikos)
Max vs Selan (Lufia 2): Gets her with enough time.
Max vs Knight (FF1)
Max vs Frog (CT)
Max vs Domingo (SF1)
Max vs Lucca Ashtear (CT)
Max vs Sheena Lepant (Suikos)
Max vs Killey (Suikos)
Max vs Jill Fizzart (FE9)
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